New government documents obtained by John Greenewald of The Black Vault show that so-called “UFO whistleblower” David Grusch repeatedly refused offers to provide testimony and evidence to the Pentagon’s UFO office, AARO, even while Grusch publicly stated that AARO had refused to meet with him. The documents show that Grusch initially expected that AARO would simply rely on previous statements Grusch had made to the intelligence community inspector general, not realizing that because he raised a potential criminal matter (about hiding programs from Congress) the material was not accessible to AARO during the investigation. When asked to repeat his testimony to AARO, he refused, raising false concerns that AARO wasn’t legally entitled to classified information and refusing to show up for scheduled interviews. Even after AARO and Congress informed Grusch he was wrong about the law, he did not speak to them. Also of note are messages then-AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick exchanged with Chris Mellon in which Mellon appeared to workshop ways to spin events so Grusch could avoid speaking to AARO while blaming AARO. Mellon demanded contact information for Kirkpatrick’s general counsel, which Kirkpatrick said he would not provide without permission due to the threat of harassment. “Dave can now say, ‘Sean has refused to provide me or my attorney the contact information that would allow us to discuss legal concerns we have with providing testimony to AARO.’” Kirkpatrick replied, “Actually, Dave can’t say any such thing since he hasn’t asked me for anything. Only you.” (Side note: Why don’t these government officials have public-facing contact information for their offices specifically for use in official duties?) With no sense of irony, Mellon later stated that he would not share Grusch’s contact information without permission. (Grusch refused to provide his phone number.)
Mellon’s private words are a marked contrast to his public face. In public, Mellon has been on board the alien train, endorsing Jacques Vallée’s Trinity crash claims and telling The Hill and other outlets that he believes aliens are buzzing American skies. In private, Mellon told Kirkpatrick about Grusch: “I […] have not claimed his claims are accurate. I’ve said he’s sincere and credible and his and other claims, which I expressly called “allegations,” warrant investigation. […] I’m not taking a position on […] the underlying claim of recovered materials.” Overall, the documents paint a rather clear picture of Grusch throwing up one obstacle after another to avoid speaking with AARO, where he would be challenged on his assertions and asked for specific evidence, while he was busy making evidence-free claims to Congress and to UFO-friendly media, who asked for no proof. Mellon, too, comes across as playing both sides, wanting to appear as a neutral party while running interference for Grusch and attempting to find ways to promote pro-UFO narratives that blame AARO for the obvious lack of UFO evidence.
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The people at the Pentagon
4/18/2024 05:58:51 pm
There must be wackos and dorks within the Pentagon just like everywhere else in society. More to the point, the brain can be calibrated in almost any way imaginable. The perfect example is still Isaac Newton who was as brilliant a scientist as he was a quack and a goofball. The scientists at first tried to keep his wacky beliefs a secret. You only need to look at Amazon books to see titles written by shrinks who seriously believe in all sorts of rubbish and jargon. I remember reading about 15 years ago online from a lower teacher complaining about a higher member of staff that believed in Remote Viewing. So it goes.
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Crash55
4/18/2024 07:27:13 pm
A few years ago the powers that be decided that phone numbers are no longer allowed on Distribution A releases. The only thing we can release are our official email addresses.
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An Over-Educated Grunt
4/18/2024 09:57:55 pm
"Why don't they have public facing contact info?"
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Crash55
4/19/2024 10:28:33 am
Only if the office is supposed to be public facing. If not then the contact will be a generic one for that office.
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An Over-Educated Grunt
4/19/2024 07:33:01 pm
All of what you listed counts as having an outward-facing contact point. I say this as someone who's had to try to navigate interservice and interagency contact, because the person who should know the answers either doesn't know our doesn't exist. 90% of the time, the outward-facing web form does its job even on really obscure questions. Having worked computer tech support and been on the other side of that interface, I'm okay with that level.
Crash55
4/19/2024 10:13:55 pm
In my case there is one publicly available email address for 4500 people split across 4 sites.
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Kent
4/20/2024 12:54:06 pm
Walk me through this if you will, and you will.
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Crash55
4/21/2024 11:05:48 am
I have been told there are two reasons behind the change in phones:
An Over-Educated Grunt
4/21/2024 12:39:06 pm
Different experience, different outcome. Back when I worked on an installation, they did a renovation on my building and I moved offices three times, with attendant phone number changes, in two years. Change jobs from one group in the building to another? Move offices, new phone. I was actually off on the number of desk phones I had there. I had six in my nine years in that office - and keep in mind, this was without a PCS. Since moving off post, we've had our lease moved once, and that's where we just rage-quit desk phones. So, since 2013, I've had eight different phone numbers with one PCS. To me, the Teams move fixed the issue of where to call. And that's without my being telework 80% of the time - if I had a desk phone, it wouldn't get answered.
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Crash55
4/21/2024 08:39:03 pm
Sounds like your IT / phone people were lazy. I know people that have moved multiple offices in multiple buildings on the installation and kept their numbers.
An Over-Educated Grunt
4/22/2024 09:46:10 pm
Well... yes, they're the NEC. To describe them as "lazy" is to praise them by faint damnation. Our office IT people were fine, but if you had to interact with the installation you'd be better off yelling into a tin can, string optional. I have yet to work on or around an Army installation where the NEC rose above "neutral" in terms of customer experience, and the seemingly fanatical determination to restrict all bandwidth passing through official channels to the point that it's like drinking a milkshake through a coffee stirrer runs smack-dab in the face of the increasing level of data-driven everything that the Army does. Given that the current trend isn't just to cloud storage but to pass up local installs in favor of cloud applications, that's only going to get worse. Good luck running cloud AutoDesk or Revit via an Army network, and that's the direction that they're drifting - I won't say moving, that implies intent.
crash55
4/23/2024 05:30:06 pm
I agree that Army IT is horrible. More and more I am needing to edit stuff inside of Teams. That is great when I am on a thin client laptop using my hotspot from a hotel room.
An Over-Educated Grunt
4/26/2024 10:06:03 pm
Well, tell you what, not going to be giving out contact info on Jason's blog, but if you ever feel like finding the guy in AFC G-4/9 who looks most like Rasputin, that's me.
Crash55
4/27/2024 12:14:00 pm
Sounds good. I am at AC but sit at WVA. Never had a reason to deal directly with AFC HQ. DCG of DEVCOM is as high as I have interacted with. Your comment will be posted after it is approved.
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