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"Earth Ancients" Radio Welcomes Ex-Nazi Frank Joseph to Discuss Ancient White Colonies in America

4/13/2018

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​As many readers already know, actress Roseanne Barr became an internet laughingstock recently when she praised Donald Trump for his heroic role in an imaginary effort to free thousands of children from a Democrat-run pedophilia network. This bizarre counterfactual belief is part of the so-called QAnon conspiracy, an internet-driven conspiracy theory which holds that Trump and Special Counsel Robert Muller are working together to take down Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who are the masterminds of a global child abuse network and terrorism syndicate. Barr removed her tweets referencing QAnon but did not apologize for her belief in the conspiracy. 
​In a recent examination of the QAnon conspiracy, The Outline highlighted a popular set of rules that believers have been using to try to spread belief in a heroic Donald Trump among mainstream audiences, whom they deride as “normies.” In these rules, take a look at what believers are asked to avoid discussing for fear of turning off audiences:
Avoid: 1) Aliens, 2) "Energy" fields, 3) Hollow earth, 4) Metaphysics, 5) Religions pantheons, 6) Moloch / Satan / Saturn, 7) Chemtrails, 8) Crop circles, 9) Detoxing / Cleansing Pineal Gland, 10) Chakras, 11) Reptiloids because normies will take one look at any of those and dismiss you as a nutcase.
​The unstated assumption, of course, is that QAnon believers also believe in aliens, demons, and Reptilians and that such monsters are part and parcel of the conspiratorial world view, and are the deepest level of the conspiracy. It reminds me a bit of the way Scientology lures new members with semi-scientific gibberish about e-meters and self-help only to introduce ancient space aliens much later, after the members have committed to the cult.
​Meanwhile, I feel like I should say something about the recent Earth Ancients interview with Frank Joseph, the former head of the American Nazi party and a convicted child rapist. Joseph is a rare guest on fringe radio, mostly because of his sordid past, and here host Cliff Dunning whitewashes Joseph by praising him effusively without mentioning his Nazi affiliation or his disturbing history. Joseph made this rare foray into fringe radio to promote his new book, which I reviewed a few months ago.
 
In the interview, Joseph endorses the controversial claim that evidence for human occupation of America had been discovered in California dating back 100,000 years, and true to his racist heart he differentiates between these presumed people and “the first Asians” to reach America, the ancestors of the Native Americans. As is quite clear, he sees the first Americans as a lost race unrelated to the Native Americans. This is a colonial-era claim invented in the 1700s to justify dispossessing Native peoples. He lingers from time to time on Native Americans’ bloodlust and human sacrifices, another common trope from the colonial era.
 
Joseph pauses several times to complain about “mainstream archaeologists” and “academics” and all of the usual bugaboos of fringe history, even as he says things that academics could prove demonstrably false. He alleges, for example, that ancient people “didn’t regard the oceans as formidable barriers. I think they regarded the oceans of the world as great highways.” And yet in ancient literature, the ocean appears as a frightening barrier whose limits were unknown. Consider, as representative, al-Mas’udi’s medieval summary of ancient Mediterranean views of the ocean: “it is impracticable to navigate beyond the Mediterranean into that sea (the ocean), for no vessel sails on it: there is no cultivation nor a human being, and the sea has no limits neither in its depths nor extent, for its end is unknown” (Meadows of Gold 12, trans. Aloys Sprenger). Expeditions into the ocean were so rare that they were celebrated and written up as monumental adventures.
 
Joseph’s claims are less outrageous than those of his competitors, but consequently less interesting. Joseph rejects Egyptology as anti-scientific and argues that Egyptologists are “adamantine” in their dogmatic insistence that the pyramids are tombs and tombs alone, a fact that Joseph wrongly believes to be fake. Joseph insists that the pyramid is 600 years older than modern estimates of its age. It’s not world-shaking and not terribly exciting. Otherwise, his arguments are mostly matters of interpretation. He claims, for example, that the discovery of Roman coins primarily in the eastern parts of America where white people had settlements indicates true Roman contact in ancient times. But a simpler explanation is that they are coins from private collections that have been lost in modern times in areas where Europeans settled. He also complains about the “textbooks” and the old professors and repeats what is apparently a current fringe talking point that the young will overturn old paradigms by believing in hyper-diffusionism. He offers effusive praise for Robert Schoch, and he praises decades worth of fringe claims on basically every hyper-diffusionist topic, waiving away criticisms and critiques of such chestnuts as the so-called “cocaine mummies” of Egypt by declaring every claim as having been established beyond doubt.
 
Later, Joseph rejects the argument that hyper-diffusionism is racist because he claims that Native Americans admit in their oral traditions that superior Celtic people came to America and wowed the Natives with their sophisticated technology, remembered in myth as white sorcerers. He attributes that mounds and earthworks of the United States to the Celts, repeating at great length Mound Builder myths and claims that were fabricated in the 1700s and 1800s. “We can say with a great deal of certainty that the first Mound Builders, whom archaeologists refer to as the Adena, were Celts. They were Celtic refugees from Europe.” And yet these Celtic Europeans left behind no trace of their material culture, no European artifacts, nothing. The warrant for this claim? Joseph can’t believe that the Native Americans could have piled dirt in great heaps without white people to show them how. It’s even worse when Joseph describes the Celts as “semi-civilized” and “barbarians” compared to Greece and Rome, meaning that he sees a hierarchy whereby the Celts were whiter and better than Natives but not as good as a better grade of European. He repeats the same problematic racism in discussing the Maya, whom he said achieved “cultural greatness” only through a gift of the Egyptians. Without the Egyptians, Joseph said, the Maya would never have had a magnificent culture. Naturally, Joseph denies that the Maya lived in the early centuries CE; instead, he wishes to re-date them to around 3000 BCE.
 
Joseph finishes be asserting that archaeologists can’t see the big picture because they are too concerned with individual artifacts. Instead, he feels that the truth can only be seen by stepping back to look at the “big picture” without concern for specifics and details. He repeats his claim that his views are not racist by arguing that Native Americans were “strong enough” to “absorb” European influence while “holding on to the integrity of the culture.” He added that “For people to assault us for extra-archaeological criticism, you know, is really unfair. It’s really ungenerous.”
 
The stunning lack of insight in a few successive sentences dumbfounds me. For Joseph, the big picture is good, but not if it reveals the racist consequences of evidence-free speculation; insulting scholars as dogmatic conspirators is fair, but identifying fringe believers’ racism is “unfair.” Maybe the Nazi shouldn’t be the one trying to claim that it is illegitimate to point out the white nationalist and racist rhetoric behind hyper-diffusionist claims. 
30 Comments
Doc Rock
4/13/2018 12:15:47 pm

The Illinois fringe archaeology folks (somewhat broadly defined) such as Joseph are pretty much the bottom feeders of this particularly stagnant pond. Hard to read anything they write or listen to anything they say without throwing up a little in your mouth. They make Wolter look somewhat rational in comparison at times which is a tough trick to do.

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E.P. Grondine
4/13/2018 01:13:51 pm

Your diagnosis is essentially worthles, as you are speaking far too broadly. Doc.

For the specifics, see:

http://www.danieljglenn.com/the_podcasts/Stelle/Documentation/He%20Walked%20Among%20Us%20Part%201.pdf

http://www.danieljglenn.com/the_podcasts/Stelle/Documentation/He%20Walked%20Among%20Us%20Part%202.pdf

If you think Frank Joseph is bad, you might try looking in the mirror..

I do not know how you work in your own region, but here in Ohio replacing the Shawnee with "Ohio Hopewell " or "Woodlands" may save you trouble with re-internment, but it is racist to its core, cultural genocide following their "removal", the theft of their lands.

And it seem very European to genocidally exterminate the Andaste in 1676, and then replace them with "the Adena".

Have you ever considered the idea that your own nonsense is why these folks are able to peddle theirs?

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Americanegro
4/13/2018 01:37:19 pm

Isn't "Andaste" an insulting Huron term?

I look forward to your usual failure to answer or claim you haven't seen a book (Cusick) on which one of your own publications relied.

Doc Rock
4/13/2018 01:56:33 pm

EP,

In light of your comments I should re-phrase my comments to include the Ohio fringe archaeologists as well.

E.P. Grondine
4/14/2018 12:56:47 am

I appears I have not made myself clear:

If you think Frank Joseph is bad, you might try looking in the mirror..

I do not know how you work in your own region, but here in Ohio replacing the Shawnee with "Ohio Hopewell " or "Woodlands" may save you trouble with re-internment, but it is racist to its core, cultural genocide following their "removal", the theft of their lands.

And it seem very European to genocidally exterminate the Andaste in 1676, and then replace them with "the Adena".

Have you ever considered the idea that your own nonsense is why these folks are able to peddle theirs?


E.P. Grondine
4/14/2018 01:01:50 am

Dear Dickwad ( and that is AN, not you, Doc) -

My commentary on Cusick's history may be found with it in Appendix A of "Man and Impact n the Americas".

Aside from that, you need to get off the computer, go out, and try to find some friends.

Americanegro
4/14/2018 02:45:23 am

Oh Chief, heapum sad, and heapum more bad language. Did Squaw You Shack Up With heapum skedaddle?

Seriously dude, you're just being silly.

"E.P. GRONDINE
3/2/2018 10:33:55 am
Good morning, Stupid Asshole -

I always try to use any nations own name for themselves.
Susquehannock was the Powhattan name for the Andaste,
Andaste was the name they themselves used.

Wow, you got that completely wrong. Somehow I'm not surprised.

"Huron, another Iroquoian-speaking people, called these people Andastoerrhonon, meaning "people of the blackened ridge pole", related to their building practices.[5]);
The French adapted the Huron term and called them the Andaste (Andastes in plural);
The Lenape/Delaware, an Algonquian people, used an ethnonym for their traditional enemy, Mengwe, which meant "without penis"[6] or Miqui, which means "foreign, different, far off."[7] the Dutch and Swedes derived their term of Minquas for the people from this term. The Lenape also used the term Sisawehak Hanna Len or "Oyster River People."[8]"

When I assembled "Man and Impact in the Americas' Cusick's book was not easily available. I made it easily available as an appendix, along with the other well preserved histories.

AMERICANEGRO
3/3/2018 02:59:18 pm
This compels me to revise the "times E.P. Grondine has called me a 'stupid asshole'". It's now three. I'd be interested to hear about the mental process that makes you think that makes you look good in some way. The pottymouth is getting old Buckwheat.

"E.P. GRONDINE
3/2/2018 10:33:55 am
Good morning, Stupid Asshole - [[[ Let's all note the potty mouth, shall we? ]]]

I always try to use any nations own name for themselves.
Susquehannock was the Powhattan name for the Andaste,
Andaste was the name they themselves used."

Then why do you say "Sioux"? "Andaste" is the name the Huron used. So you effed up there.

"When I assembled "Man and Impact in the Americas' Cusick's book was not easily available. I made it easily available as an appendix, along with the other well preserved histories."

Cusick's book was always available at the Library of Congress (and presumably university libraries, e.g. https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/libraryscience/24/) and available in print for purchase since 2004, so "not easily available" doesn't fly. If I have a copy it's easily available.
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E.P. GRONDINE
3/1/2018 10:09:28 am
Look, you stupid asshole...

Potty mouth says what?
...

Let me close this by stating once again that it is likely that I have more friends of African American descent than you do, and in my opinion it would be good for you if you got your ass up from the computer and went out and met some of them."
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Negroes are not like troll dolls who give you luck at bingo! You cannot collect or trade them. Fake Indians are the worst Indians, don't you agree?

E.P. Grondine
4/14/2018 02:21:32 pm

Dear Dickwad -

I am pretty sure you have absolutely no idea what the Andaste "blackened ridge pole" was, just as you have no idea about their names in other colonial records from colonial Virginia and Pennsylvania.

It is also interesting to watch slanders being repeated.

Yes, Fake Indians are not good, but frustrated wannabe Casino Indians are not particularly good either.

Get off the internet, and get a life.

Americanegro
4/14/2018 06:31:05 pm

Again with the heapum bad language? What's up with you Chief?

"Get off the internet"? Is the internet your front lawn now?

I have a life thank you very much and some day soon I will visit you, from above ground. Bladder, full and stream forceful.

Seriously dude? "Slander"? "Casino Injun?"

"I bet you don't know..." Balls on chin, old man.

E.P. Grondine
4/15/2018 12:17:02 pm

Oh yeah, Doc. Consider this learned opinion from the American Antiquarian society:

More recent examination has confirmed an opinion
previously formed, that the works described inj this publication were erected by a race of men widely different from any tribe of North American Indians,known in modern times.

It is also made probable, that this ancient people emigrated from Asia, made their first settlement around the waters
of our northern lakes, followed in their progress southwest the streams and rivers which empty into the Gulph of Mexico, leaving in every place of

More recent examination has confirmed an opinion previously formed, that the works described in their residence, traces of the degree of their civilization and improvement.

If the supposition be admitted that the descendants of this people established the empires of Mexico and Peru, it will be
acceded, that their attainments in civilized life, and
in the arts and sciences, at the conquest of the country
by the Spaniards, were not greater, when compared
with their ancestors on the Missisippi, than
those which man usually makes in the path of refinement,
during the period which must have elapsed.

Our knowledge of this singular nation is as yet very limited.



Crew Chief
4/15/2018 06:31:02 pm

You sound like one of those people that talk a good game but when you get them in the field they can't even read a map or compass. Sometimes silence is golden smart ass.

E.P. Grondine
4/16/2018 04:19:24 am

Hi Jason -

Background materials for your book -
https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1590&context=honorstheses

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Americanegro
4/16/2018 03:35:20 pm

This is what you posted. Is this your way of saying you're insane?

"E.P. GRONDINE
4/15/2018 12:17:02 pm
Oh yeah, Doc. Consider this learned opinion from the American Antiquarian society:

More recent examination has confirmed an opinion
previously formed, that the works described inj this publication were erected by a race of men widely different from any tribe of North American Indians,known in modern times.

It is also made probable, that this ancient people emigrated from Asia, made their first settlement around the waters
of our northern lakes, followed in their progress southwest the streams and rivers which empty into the Gulph of Mexico, leaving in every place of More recent examination has confirmed an opinion previously formed, that the works described in their residence, traces of the degree of their civilization and improvement. If the supposition be admitted that the descendants of this people established the empires of Mexico and Peru, it will be acceded, that their attainments in civilized life, and in the arts and sciences, at the conquest of the country
by the Spaniards, were not greater, when compared
with their ancestors on the Missisippi, than
those which man usually makes in the path of refinement,
during the period which must have elapsed.

Our knowledge of this singular nation is as yet very limited."

Dunior
4/13/2018 12:15:50 pm

Looks like Earth Ancients has given us a one two punch of racist reasons why Native American's weren't capable of developing any cultural greatness on their own. Two recent shows that feature weird and crazy stretches of very little truth to ease the guilt of genocide. "Its o.k. that we nearly wiped them off of the face of the planet because we taught them everything they know anyway" is what I walk away with. Its like they have to prove they really own it. I'm sure there were lots of Wolter and Joseph believers in Charlottesville. Very sad.

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Americanegro
4/13/2018 01:48:18 pm

Plenty of fringe stuff on the left as well; following the anti-globalists and Occupy Wallstreeters (both of which served the evolutionary purpose of getting laid with dim-witted college age girls) tells us that. The claim about the Injuns being the only ones to live in harmony with the planet are sufficient to rope in dim-witted college kids on the left more likely than on the right. Sorry, Borneo. Sorry, Australian aborigines (shoutout to my Pindinjara homies!) Sorry, Yanomami. Sorry, Chaco Canyon... you drifted from your Masonic/Templar roots. One more thing: SORRY, AFRICA. The Great White Hunter has spoken.

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Dunior
4/13/2018 02:39:42 pm

I would be forced to agree. Lots of crazy stuff on both sides of the coin. I think in ufology the contrast between Delonge and Wilcock kind illustrates how this stuff is political as well. I guess this begs the question as to if all of this is Nationalism representative of one side or another. I noted to myself how Wolter and Joseph neglected to take into account the cultures you mentioned as well.

orang
4/13/2018 12:28:11 pm

There is a very large population of fringe "thinkers" out there which makes me want to patent and manufacture a tape measure graduated in megalithic yards for fringe field workers. Then, I'll start to work on my portable, hand-held ley line detector, except that I don't have any idea on how to design it (because it's a crock of bull.)

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Doc Rock
4/13/2018 12:37:22 pm

Don't forget to develop your own version of the H3Tec element detector. Great for locating buried golden temples in Iowa cornfields, no matter what those silly electrical engineers say.

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BigNick
4/13/2018 12:59:27 pm

Just sell a rock that gets heavier at ley lines. They will swear to God it works

Also,you should make your megalithic yard stick look like the one they found in Norway with the alphabets from the Larson papers

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Americanegro
4/13/2018 02:08:17 pm

"Just sell a rock that gets heavier at ley lines. They will swear to God it works."

Because as Wolter said in his interview "Rocks don't lie."

But geologists selling bogus agates do lie.

And this just occurred to me along your lines: Megalithic Yard length dowsing sticks. Because they're in tune, you see.

Jim
4/13/2018 01:36:15 pm

It doesn't matter how you design it. It will sell ! Just buy some cheap Walmart metal detectors and change the word metal to ley line
The Ley Line 3000 Pro Detector (Can also be used to locate metal and Reptilians)

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Machala
4/13/2018 12:52:20 pm

Francis Joseph "Frank" Collin is a perfect example of someone who, no matter who many times he reinvents himself, will always remain the perverted racist, con man that his is - and always will be.

No matter how he tries to parse it, he is still a white supremacist, a self-serving propagandist, and totally lacking in credibility.

Why he is even given a forum to broadcast his drivel is beyond me !
But then, this Cliff Dunning's show promulgates this kind of cultist thinking.

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A C
4/13/2018 01:08:32 pm

Conspiracy theorists can't even talk about Reptoids anymore?

Now THAT is political correctness gone mad.

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Jim
4/13/2018 01:42:37 pm

Those bastages are hiding the truth from us and blaming the Smithsonian !

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Americanegro
4/13/2018 02:02:48 pm

ASSUMING the description of QAnon here is accurate, it seems strange that these items "8) Crop circles, 9) Detoxing / Cleansing Pineal Gland, 10) Chakras" are on the list because they are right in the GOOP New-Age wheelhouse. Until today I didn't realize my pineal gland was dirty.

They came for the Templars and I said nothing.
They came for the Reptilians and I said nothing.
They came for the sex apes and I reached for my revolver.

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Americanegro
4/14/2018 07:11:48 pm

"Barr removed her tweets referencing QAnon but did not apologize for her belief in the conspiracy."

It's silly to expect or demand that anyone apologize for their beliefs. I want all Xtians, Jooze, and Mooselims to apologize for their beliefs but it's not going to happen. Why is a mentally ill TV person held to a higher standard?

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Christine Erikson link
4/17/2018 07:46:49 am

there may have been white people here, and blacks, as well as asiatics aka Indians. the new world, north and south, seems to have always been a meeting zone for everyone.

that doesn't give a few white colonies (or black, and those Olmec heads are definitely black features and the socalled leopard mouth that is nonexistent in humans is to be found in purer blacks I saw it myself) are grounds for the kinds of racial claims being made to the whole continents.

And as for human sacrifice and bloodlust, these tropes go back to eyewitnesses - and are also a feature of white pagan societies so you can be sure the Hopewell crew, if they were white, were as uncivilized as the Aztec anyway.

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Americanebro
4/17/2018 01:02:02 pm

Okay, not too crazy. Europe, Asia, and Africa, you can walk from point A to point B. So a great idea would be traveling at least 30 days by boat to a huge unmapped continent for your meetings.

"the socalled leopard mouth that is nonexistent in humans is to be found in purer blacks I saw it myself"

Thank you! I like to keep track of people who think that blacks are not human. The revolution will not be televised.

http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com/

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Riley V
4/18/2018 05:58:32 am

Dear E..P and AN,

I suggest you both meet for 3-4 drinks, then retire to the alley. Find something physical in which you can mutually engage.
For best results I suggest full contact. Please remove all jewelry.
Bring some petroleum jelly. Slather it on you face if you decide on fisticuffs, or your nether reasons if you prefer “wrestling.”

You two are clearly engaged in a dispute over dominance. Head to the ally, grease up, settle the issue, and tell us who wins.

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Americanegro
4/18/2018 12:37:19 pm

Sounds like you had a throbber when you typed that.

I'm simply going to outlive him.

Free Soviet jewelry!

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