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Edgar Cayce on Giants, Lost Tribes, and other Pre-Columbian Americans

10/25/2015

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Did you know that Edgar Cayce didn’t just opine on Atlantis, ancient high technology, and the Hall of Records under the Sphinx when he talked about ancient history? Cayce also had some things to say about American prehistory, which he saw as a diffusionist stew of Atlanteans, Hebrews, Inca (!), and Giants. Yes, giants. Let’s take a look at a couple of Cayce’s readings regarding the prehistory of the United States.
First up is reading 1286-1, a psychic reading conducted for a model who wanted to know about her past lives. Cayce determined that the sitter, whom he calls “the entity,” was once a priestess in prehistoric Ohio:
...Before that we find the entity was in the land of the present nativity, during those periods when there were the spreadings of those teachings that had come from the lands from which those peoples came that were known as the Lost Tribes, as well as from Atlantis, Yucatan, the Inca, and the land of On [?]. [Og?]
 
They were portions of the entity’s people then, in that part of the land now known as the central portion of Ohio, during the early portion of the Mound Builders.
 
There the entity was a priestess of those peoples that were a part of the experiences there of those peoples. For while confusions arose from the tenets of the Hebraic as well as the Atlantean, as well as the Inca, these became centralized or localized in the expressions of those peoples and those groups in that particular period of their activity.
 
(Brackets in original transcript)
For Cayce, the Mound Builders were a distinct ancient culture with ties to Israel, Atlantis, and Mu (reading 5750-1)—despite the fact that Mu had only been invented in 1926 from leftover parts of the literature of Atlantis and Lemuria! In his view, which recycles material from nineteenth century Mound Builder myths (which also assigned spurious antiquity to the Inca), a group of Atlanteans settled in the Yucatan, but their offspring moved northward, becoming the Mound Builders. This attempt to connect the so-called Mound Builders (in reality a large number of cultures spread across time and space) to Mexico was a popular theme in nineteenth century popular history, particularly because many at the time believed the high cultures of Mexico to have originated with Europeans, Phoenicians, or, yes, Atlanteans. There is a grain of truth in that there is a cultural continuum across North America and some tenuous connections to Mexico, but no direct evidence of a Mexican origin for the mounds. Stacking dirt in large piles doesn’t require an outside inspiration.
 
Greg Little, a supporter of Edgar Cayce and the author of a book on Cayce and the Mounds, claims that some American mound sites “mimic the layout of the Center City of Atlantis.” Since the only description Plato gave is that Atlantis was arranged in concentric rings of land and water, I can’t see how this is possible.
 
Anyway, you wanted to know about the giants! Well, Cayce wasn’t content merely to have America filled with Inca, Atlanteans, Muvians, and Lost Tribes of Israel. He added something else. He went on to describe his vision of prehistoric southern Florida, a land he claimed was inhabited by Mexican-Atlanteans and the Norse, as well as one more group: “The entity’s sojourns then were with those of a race of unusual height, unusual proportions to what might be termed in the present. For they were then the lords of the land…” (Reading 1298-1).
 
Sadly, this exciting development isn’t quite the lost race of Nephilim Mound Builders fringe historians were looking for. I think Cayce was obliquely referring to the so-called giants that attacked Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca in 1528, a standard account of “giants” well-known in the Mound Builder literature: “They go naked, are large of body, and appear at a distance like giants,” the conquistador wrote (source).
 
Cayce, however, was happy to identify the Biblical Nephilim with some of the inhabitants of Atlantis, which Ignatius Donnelly had already declared the “antediluvian world” of the book of Genesis:
These took on many sizes as to stature, from that as may be called the midget to the giants—for there were Giants in the earth in those days, men as tall as (what would be termed today) ten to twelve feet in stature, and in proportion—well proportioned throughout. The ones that became the most useful were those as would be classified (or called in the present) as the ideal stature, that was of both male and female (as those separations had been begun); and the most ideal (as would be called) was Adam, who was in that period when he (Adam) appeared as FIVE-IN-ONE—See? (reading 364-11)
The echo of Genesis 6:4 in Cayce’s aside pretty much explains where his ideas came from, though the late addition of Adam to a world filled with other races is straight out of Helena Blavatsky’s discussion of Adam’s origin in the Secret Doctrine, where she, too, emphasized the separation of a hermaphroditic elder race to create the Aryans.
53 Comments
Scott Hamilton
10/25/2015 11:12:26 am

Having participated in a couple digs in southern Florida, I wonder where all the Norse settlements are.

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Only Me
10/25/2015 05:50:32 pm

And the Mexican-Atlanteans, and the giants...

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Jose S
10/26/2015 11:21:54 pm

Once the Norse settlements were discovered, the Smithsonian sent a larde contingent of masonic "Secret Keepers" to retrive all, yes all articrafts. They considered so dangerous, (they included some holy bloodline related items) they took them and placed them in Warehouse 13.

:-)

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Mike Jones
10/25/2015 11:40:20 am

Funny how, when people get a reading of their "past lives", they are almost always Princesses or great rulers or Kings or Warriors or Ninjas or whatever and never galley slaves, or sheep hearders or day laborers.

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Weatherwax
10/25/2015 01:34:00 pm

I was just wondering the same thing. I believe the common folk are in fact at the peak of the reincarnation cycle, and learn their lessons and move on to the next level, become one with the cosmos, etc. Where as the important people are in fact the dunderheads who have to go back and do it again.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/25/2015 02:21:01 pm

There is in fact some theological support for that in some reincarnating religions; off the top of my head, there was a school of thought that samurai, because of the inherent temptations, pride, and dirty deeds of being the military and law-enforcement class, were doomed to reincarnation as samurai.

Nobody Knows
10/25/2015 03:58:26 pm

And also there were Freemasons that believed in Reincarnation.

tm
10/25/2015 05:04:24 pm

Doomed to reincarnation as clowns. Or conspiracy trolls. Six of one...

Nobody Knows
10/25/2015 05:07:01 pm

Oh no, I've just been reading some stuff linking samurai to Freemasonry.

tm
10/25/2015 05:30:28 pm

Oh, no! I meant doomed to reincarnation as insipid clowns.

Nobody Knows
10/25/2015 05:32:17 pm

Oh no ! Let's all develop phobias about Freemasonry !
Let's respect the superstitious beliefs of the samurai and be vindictive towards Freemasonry !

tm
10/25/2015 05:48:34 pm

Dull witted, insipid clowns. Yawn...

Nobody Knows
10/25/2015 05:51:53 pm

Phobia about Freemasonry.
Incredible, bearing in mind the millions of books that have been written about the subject matter, many by academics acknowledging the influence Freemasonry had exerted over society during the Enlightenment.

Quite irrational, this phobia over Freemasonry.

And my messages bore no relation to the conspiracy crap version of the subject matter.

tm
10/25/2015 07:16:27 pm

Yawn...

Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 02:54:49 am

Yawn at you
You're probably another believer in the Bible stories.

tm
10/26/2015 03:20:58 am

Dull witted, anal-retentive, insipid clowns. Yawn...

Clete
10/25/2015 06:23:26 pm

I've often wondered if someone alive today was once the Asp the bit Cleopatra. They could really say that they made an asp of themselves.

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Salt
10/25/2015 07:21:14 pm

I was an executioner. . .then a nun.

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Flemming Dichmann
8/9/2018 02:53:56 pm

According to Expert in regressionsanalyse This is not not what they have found in thousands of regressions.

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Pam
10/25/2015 12:39:01 pm

Was Blavatsky's hermaphrodite elder race also of gigantic stature or was that Casey's addition?

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Pam
10/25/2015 12:43:12 pm

Arrg. ..should be hermaphroditic...

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Shane Sullivan
10/25/2015 01:02:51 pm

"There the entity was a priestess of those peoples that were a part of the experiences there of those peoples."

Such clear-spoken eloquence; who could doubt Edgar Cayce's amazing gifts, not only as a psychic but as an orator? =P

By the way, the first paragraph before the last block quote says "Casey" instead of "Cayce".

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/25/2015 05:50:50 pm

Speaking of reincarnation, apparently Cayce came back as the Amazing Criswell. "Future events such as these...

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Clint Knapp
10/25/2015 08:01:42 pm

Actually, according to a book he wrote with Wynn Free (yeah, names...) David Wilcock is Cayce's reincarnation.

Pam
10/25/2015 09:11:30 pm

Clint Knapp :

I thought you were joking but you're not. It explains a lot.

Clint Knapp
10/26/2015 09:31:42 am

It's not one of his most promoted subjects, so it'd be easy to overlook. I'd only heard of it a couple years ago in a Wynn Free interview on Coast to Coast AM.

From what I remember of the interview, the promotional strategy for this book is to have Free do all of the work of promoting it and propping Wilcock up as Cayce Reborn while Wilcock demures about being compared to Cayce but ultimately agrees with the "evidence" for the claim he helped create.

Pacal
10/27/2015 09:05:53 am

Wasn't Criswell in the movie Plan Nine From Outer Space? If so it figures that Cayce would be involved in some fashion.

Alaric
10/25/2015 08:50:01 pm

"By the way, the first paragraph before the last block quote says "Casey" instead of "Cayce". "

It's like that well-known poem- "Cayce at the Blavat(sky)";

"But there is no joy in Mu-ville- mighty Cayce has struck out!"

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Only Me
10/25/2015 05:59:03 pm

Given all the inhabitants of North America in Cayce's visions, and all the pre-Columbian Europeans, Chinese, Africans and Arabs, when did the Native Americans find time and space to settle the land? Why is their cultural history so prevalent compared to their alleged competition?

Why, it's enough to make one think all the alternative historical claims are bunk!

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Nobody Knows
10/25/2015 06:03:11 pm

Cayce must have been a genius, because you hate academia.

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Only Me
10/25/2015 06:09:17 pm

Pigskin 621 AD:

"Send in the troll!"

Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 02:53:09 am

Only Me,

You believe in the Bible stories. Not taking any rubbish from you.

Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 03:10:09 am

Only Me,

The existence of the Gospels was only first mentioned by Justyn Martyr in the second century AD, No Christian before Justyn Martyr referred to the existence of the Gospels. The earliest known Gospel fragment, from the Gospel of John, is dated to about 120-130 AD,

The first Christian to recognise the Gospels as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John was Irenaeus of Lyons in circa 200 AD.

The claim that the Gospels date from the First Century cannot be demonstrated, There simply isn't any evidence for it. Despite all the romantic speculation from Biblical scholars.

Only Me
10/26/2015 08:42:27 am

I'm sure you're prepared to rail against me some more. Do continue. It's a slow day and I could use the entertainment.

Pam
10/25/2015 06:58:53 pm

Most people would see the point you made (and get the sarcasm), but the people who start out as "alternative theorists " eventually have to slide into a conspiracy mindset to "prove " their theories.

The knowledge they possess is being supressed or ignored by the bad guys who hold to orthodox views. I think all of them end up as conspiracy theory types in the end, even though they deny and hate the label.

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Uncle Ron
10/25/2015 09:17:30 pm

Pam,
Most of these people are neither alternative (history) "theorists" or conspiracy "theorists”; they haven't ever come up with even a hypothesis, much less a theory, on their own. They talk a good alternative idea, but they only got the “talking points” from someone else, and rarely understand the full historical background and context into which it supposedly fits.
Some start out simply wanting to get noticed but when they try to promote a lame notion from the web in a legitimate venue like this blog they get shot down. They can’t really defend their position so they take delight in becoming contrarians; which in this particular case is just a fancy word for troll.

Uncle Ron
10/26/2015 02:50:10 am

You are another idiot. I provide historical references. Academics have written books about Freemasonry, Direct your ignorance at the academics,

Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 02:59:27 am

>>>The knowledge they possess is being supressed or ignored by the bad guys who hold to orthodox views. I think all of them end up as conspiracy theory types in the end, even though they deny and hate the label.<<<<

Pam,

It was the Grand Orient with the French Parliament that invented the motto " Liberté égalité fraternité"

That's a historical fact.

Because you're ignorant, you are confusing the real history of Freemasonry with conspiracy theory Freemasonry.

All of you on this Blog are ignorant of Freemasonry - probably because everyone who posts on this blog believes in the Bible stories,

Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 03:01:53 am

This is pure unadulterated ignorance and rubbish from Uncle Ron:

>>>>Most of these people are neither alternative (history) "theorists" or conspiracy "theorists”; they haven't ever come up with even a hypothesis, much less a theory, on their own. They talk a good alternative idea, but they only got the “talking points” from someone else, and rarely understand the full historical background and context into which it supposedly fits.
Some start out simply wanting to get noticed but when they try to promote a lame notion from the web in a legitimate venue like this blog they get shot down. They can’t really defend their position so they take delight in becoming contrarians; which in this particular case is just a fancy word for troll.<<<<<<

Pam
10/26/2015 01:25:26 pm

Nobody Knows:

I'm not refuting anything you are putting forward about the Masons, it's just that, at this point, I simply don't care about the subject.

I know you hate religion, and that's fine, but again, I simply don't care. It has nothing to do with the thing I am interested in. I'm not here to discuss religion or try to convert anyone to what you perceive as my beliefs.

What I do find fascinating though, is your behavior when someone doesn't agree with you or refuses to engage with you(usually because you are talking off topic).

Your behavior is that of a spoiled toddler or a rude, surly teenager. I won't be baited into a pointless discussion of religious belief with you.

And sweetie, I know I'm ignorant of so many things. Education is, or should be, an on going process in ones life. You might want to give some thought to that.

Only Me
10/26/2015 11:38:51 am

@Pam and Uncle Ron

I think you both make salient points. I also think we can agree your points aren't mutually exclusive.

There was a time when what was considered fringe or alternative had the potential to be something profound, e.g., Einstein's Theory of Relativity. Einstein's theory has stood the test of time because it has been observed, measured and proven through experimentation.

Modern fringe/alternative theories fail under scrutiny, leading their proponents to adopt a bunker mentality. Then again, they aren't really introducing anything profound, are they?

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The troll Krampus
10/26/2015 01:15:09 pm

Mentioning Einstein reminded me of this conspiracy where Einstein plagiarized other physicists to form his theories. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm

And of course here too.
http://www.debate.org/debates/Albert-Einstein-was-a-phony/1/

The latter links it to a Zionist Jew plot if I remember right. Which ,of course, is ridiculous. Jew Elite do not have some agenda to rule the gentiles because that is what crazy conspiracy theorist want us to believe.

Uncle Ron
10/26/2015 01:25:27 pm

Only Me -
Yes. I didn't mean my remarks as an alternative to Pam's. More like an addendum and/or expansion.

Also: The best way to kill a troll is by withholding attention. :)

Pam
10/26/2015 02:10:38 pm

Uncle Ron:

That's how I took it and I appreciated the insight :) I'll not feed trolls in the future!

An Over-Educated Grunt
10/26/2015 02:19:44 pm

Nothing profound here, mostly me venting frustration over recent nonsense around here. One of the problems with deep history and borderline prehistory is that absolute, certain proof is near-impossible; the best that can be managed is "proof enough," by things like relative dating, stratigraphy, and a bevy of tests that can give answers precise enough to a couple centuries, but are difficult to understand for the lay observer. This lends the subject to a combination of painting it with the brush of false uncertainty - two hundred years at the remove of several thousand, using a necessarily small sample size because many of the tests are destructive, is remarkably precise, but fringe workers will claim uncertainty out of it - and argument out of ignorance - I spent three months learning about radiocarbon and luminosity tests, and I know that I know very little about the subject, so I can expect even less knowledge out of the average person, and you don't trust what you don't know. Instead, they build spun-sugar castles that, as you said, sound good, but don't have any bearing on reality.

Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 02:51:33 am

Uncle Ron

You are another idiot. I provide historical references. Academics have written books about Freemasonry, Direct your ignorance at the academics,

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DaveR
10/26/2015 09:35:41 am

Weren't the Freemasons a union started to protect skilled masons?

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NOBODY KNOWS
10/26/2015 08:30:09 am

Okay, most of the posters here are either playing games or they are ignorant. That's established fact.

There are even Wikipedia entries.

Cult of Reason

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason

Cult of the Supreme Being

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_the_Supreme_Being

Dechristianization of France during the French Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianization_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution

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Only Me
10/26/2015 08:40:53 am

Poison Clan rocks the world!

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/26/2015 09:23:53 am

However, Hodor is well attested from at least the late 1990s. This is established fact, not opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodor_(A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire)#Hodor

I'll be honest here. I'm definitely in the "playing games" camp, because you can't seem to understand that "they're Masons" doesn't mean "MASONS CONTROL FRANCE!" Let's go a step further. The Convention of 1789, where the Revolution started moving, was composed of both monarchists and republicans. There were Masons on both sides of that divide, because the kind of people who rose to power in 18th Century France were also exactly the same kind of people the Masons recruited, being generally hungry, ambitious types. The Revolution rapidly spiraled beyond their control and stayed there; looking just at Desmoulins addressing the crowd and provoking a riot, and the Women's March, both occurring in 1789, any input the Masons, or anyone else, had was quickly overwhelmed and like Tolstoy described Napoleon, they were just hanging on for the ride at that point. This happened again and again - unless you're going to claim the Terror was according to some master plan, or Bonaparte's endless foreign wars, or the Bourbon restoration, which, left to Louis Philippe's own devices, would have rolled the clock back to 1788...

Point is, for every event you can claim "French Masons did this!" I can point out another, from the exact same revolution, equally important, where they most certainly didn't; claiming they had any special influence beyond being a closed-door debating society and gentlemen's club where the actual work of governing was accomplished, same as the Jacobin Club of the same period, is prima facie ridiculous, and your behavior over the past few days has been tiresome, repetitive, and boorish without adding anything to a conversation that has moved well beyond you no matter how hard you try to keep it focused on you.

I peg you at male, British, either in your early twenties, fresh from your education, and impressed with how much you know without truly realizing the gaps in your knowledge, or in late middle age, largely self-educated, and obsessed with things that simply do not matter because you, like, say, David Icke, feel that they give you some measure of secret knowledge about a world that really does not care about you. Either way, you're a creature of postmodern thought, quite willing to trumpet what you know and how it upsets the applecart while the rest of the world goes right on by you, not realizing that there's nothing in your applecart, or indeed that your "cart" is an old shoe in the middle of a muddy street that everyone else is avoiding because there's no benefit in walking in it. You embody the worst aspects of the Internet Atheist, not just unwilling, but unable to recognize that there might be ANY good in your opponent's position, you demonize them even when they're not addressing you, as in the case of Uncle Ron here, who could just as easily have been talking about Scotty Roberts, but you decided on your own hook that the shoe fit. Your constant trumpeting about the evils of religion, the fact that the Bible might be a work of fiction, how Masons brought enlightenment and reason, esoterica of the 19th and 20th Centuries - the answer that they deserve is a shrug and a "so what?" followed by resounding silence.

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V
10/26/2015 05:42:32 pm

1. Not one of the links you give contains ANYTHING to do with the Freemasons; I checked.
2. Even college freshmen know that Wikipedia is not a particularly reliable source.
3. You have yet to REMOTELY come CLOSE to "proving" any of your claims.
4. Your knowledge of real history is a profound and troubling ignorance.
5. Your knowledge of anyone who regularly posts here is even more profoundly ignorant.
6. Your mud-slinging bullshit of accusing anyone who says "Shut up, I don't want to hear YET MORE of your wild conspiracy crap" of being "a Bible believer" is sad, pathetic, ignorant, and just plain stupid. Go ahead and aim that at me; you are 100% wrong, since I'm a solipsist, and your existence--such as a figment of my own imagination can be--is a testament to how sick my subconscious really is.

Kuso shitte shine, kisama.

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The troll Krampus
10/26/2015 06:20:08 pm

A solipsist! LOL Then you should probably kill yourself and end your/our existence. I mean with all the wars, child rape, woman rape, bestiality, liars, murderers, frauds, ect. you would be doing yourself a favor.

P.S.- If in case you are being sarcastic, then ignore this reply.

Lurker Un-Cloaking
10/26/2015 11:35:34 am

Bravo, Sir!

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