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Erich von Däniken Says He Is "Not Happy" with Some "Ancient Aliens" Claims

11/20/2018

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​Today you are getting a shorter blog post since I ran out of writing time yesterday when my scheduled eye doctor appointment ran ridiculously far behind schedule, and I spent three hours there only to be told that my prescription hadn’t changed. It was my first time seeing this doctor, and I was surprised to find that he was a believer in the ancient astronaut theory and that he was delighted to learn that I was familiar with Mu and had appeared in a documentary with Erich von Däniken.
Speaking of him: In a recent interview with Inverse magazines, ancient astronaut theorist Erich von Däniken (henceforth EVD) discussed his strong religious faith and criticized the Ancient Aliens mothership, while offering a disturbing justification for his long-term propaganda effort to spread what he admits to be a faith-based belief in space aliens. For being a brief interview, it packed a lot in.
 
The lion’s share of the interview was given over to EVD’s well-worn personal mythology of turning from questioning Catholic to alien acolyte due to his adolescent dissection of passages of the Bible that on their surface cast God in a less than omnipotent and beneficent light. “I am a deep believer in God,” he told Inverse. “I’m one of these figures who prays every evening.” This squares with EVD’s public statements from the past half century. He has written a book on the reality of Catholic miracles, and he famously exempted Jesus Christ from the ancient astronaut theory as the only deity or demigod who was not a spaceman in disguise.
 
In what was perhaps the most disturbing part of the interview, EVD hinted that his efforts were not merely the opportunistic folly of a convicted embezzler who hit upon a profitable line of easy money. He told Inverse that he intended to use his work to slowly alter attitudes and values, shaping the zeitgeist, which he references in English translation as the “spirit of the times”: “I want to change the spirit of time,” he said. “What was unreasonable slowly becomes reasonable.”
 
That final line is a little chilling, particularly when contrasting this thrusting of unreason into the public discourse with the gradual process of normalization that has seen a wide range of scams, hoaxes, propaganda, false claims, and outright lies raised to equality with facts, evidence, and reason among elites around the world. If it is true that we live in an age of unreason, much of the blame must rest ultimately on the failure of those charged with gatekeeping mainstream discourse to prioritize facts, evidence, and reason over sensation. In the 1960s, publishers, newspaper, and TV networks had the power to include or exclude points of view and to set the agenda for what ideas should be taken seriously. They could have chosen any number of paths. They chose to let the fox into the henhouse and to give the weight of their midcentury institutional authority to anti-scientific ideas. Viewpoints that they chose not to give the same widespread treatment—Afrocentrism, open white supremacy, flat earth beliefs, demonic interference, etc.—remained on the fringes for years or decades, until the burgeoning age of unreason made them contenders for dollars in the attention economy, often driven by the media. 
 
But the headline from the interview is probably EVD’s admission that Ancient Aliens is sometimes a little too bonkers even for him. “I’m not happy with all the conclusions Ancient Aliens makes,” he said. “Always it ends with a question mark or mostly a question mark.” So there you have it: Ancient Aliens has outgrown its father (it was originally based on Chariots of the Gods) and even its cast of ancient astronaut theorists—many of whom, including Giorgio Tsoukalos and David Wilcock have said they disagree with some of its claims—to become a metastasizing cancer that has developed a malevolent sentience independent of its hosts. Ancient Aliens is now an ancient astronaut theorist itself, not just a platform for them; indeed, it is now bigger than all of them, and a more recognizable brand than they are.  
21 Comments
Joe Scales
11/20/2018 10:26:18 am

"In the 1960s, publishers, newspaper, and TV networks had the power to include or exclude points of view and to set the agenda for what ideas should be taken seriously. They could have chosen any number of paths. They chose to let the fox into the henhouse and to give the weight of their midcentury institutional authority to anti-scientific ideas."

I blame the hippies, whose ideals warped into new age philosophies. That's who opened the door.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/20/2018 10:48:16 am

I blame further back, I blame the Beats.

Von Däniken is the Betty White of fake history, both well past their sell-by date.

This weekend C-SPAN on their Reel America segment showed the Walter Cronkite/Dan Rather piece about "The Warren Commission was above reproach and totally correct so everyone roll over and go back to sleep."

What will you do if we let you go home
And the plastic's all melted
And so is the chrome?
WHO ARE THE BRAIN POLICE?

What will you do when the label comes off
And the plastic's all melted
And the chrome is too soft?

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Frank
11/20/2018 10:50:20 am

"It was my first time seeing this doctor, and I was surprised to find that he was a believer in the ancient astronaut theory and that he was delighted to learn that I was familiar with Mu and had appeared in a documentary with Erich von Däniken."

Jason, did you get a discount, since the Dr. was delighted? Well, 3 hrs in a waiting room for a scheduled appointment for just an eye exam, in and of itself deserves a discount.

There are a lot people these days that are not very pleased, especially with the prospect of having to buy lots of rakes! But perhaps we can use them to also rake Erich out of all the money he has made on Ancient Aliens in his "youth."

They say that when we approach what the poets call the 'threshold of old age’ we should ask; is life harder towards the end, or what report do you give of it? We start to wonder about those kind of stories. Perhaps von Däniken has read more of Plato than just Atlantis, and he may be taking Plato too seriously in his old age.

Yes, that is very true, but may I ask another question? What do you consider to be the greatest blessing which you have reaped from your wealth?
One, he said, of which I could not expect easily to convince others. For let me tell you, Socrates, that when a man thinks himself to be near death, fears and cares enter into his mind which he never had before; the tales of a world below and the punishment which is exacted there of deeds done here were once a laughing matter to him, but now he is tormented with the thought that they may be true: either from the weakness of age, or because he is now drawing nearer to that other place, he has a clearer view of these things; suspicions and alarms crowd thickly upon him, and he begins to reflect and consider what wrongs he has done to others. And when he finds that the sum of his transgressions is great he will many a time like a child start up in his sleep for fear, and he is filled with dark forebodings. But to him who is conscious of no sin, sweet hope, as Pindar charmingly says, is the kind nurse of his age: Hope, he says, cherishes the soul of him who lives in justice and holiness and is the nurse of his age and the companion of his journey;–hope which is mightiest to sway the restless soul of man.
How admirable are his words! And the great blessing of riches..

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Jockobadger
11/20/2018 12:24:19 pm

I don't blame the hippies or the beats, though I see where you both are coming from. But, Jason kind of hit with:

"If it is true that we live in an age of unreason, much of the blame must rest ultimately on the failure of those charged with gatekeeping mainstream discourse to prioritize facts, evidence, and reason over sensation."


Remember that prior to beats or the hippies i.e. post-war America - the golden age of the late-40's and 50's, a large majority of americans were god-fearing, church-going folk - they were believers. They tithed regularly, ignored the foibles of their priests and had "faith" in their ultimate reward.

Well, everything has changed, but nothing has changed. Except that the churches, the gatekeepers, lost control. And to be honest, no single authority controlled discourse or the flow of information at the local level except faith-based institutions. Church attendance has fallen to ~25 percent nationwide and here in the PNW, it's less than 10. But, we have witches! No kidding, lots of them. The History Channel is rife with new age foolishness and attendance is huge. The only real change in the zeitgeist (per EVD) is in who's peddling the woo and how they're peddling it. Back then it was dealt out on Sundays, Weds nights, and on 3 channels on the B/W tv. The big difference now is the availability of all manner of wackiness on the internet and it's availability 24/7 on your phone!


It's all just snake oil, but in a different bottle. EVD and his Nazca UFO airports are but a small, and fairly early, example. Btw, If you need assistance, please see our Acting Attorney General - he can assist you with time travel so you can go back and not marry she-who-must-not-be-named.

Have a Great Thanksgiving!

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/20/2018 04:04:20 pm

It's clear you don't know when the Beats started. You can have your own opinion, you can't have your own history.

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Jockobadger
11/20/2018 04:21:06 pm

Late 1940's if I'm not mistaken. That was poorly written - apologies. Not attempting to hijack history.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/20/2018 10:06:47 pm

1944, but it's not the end of the world and you're not a fake Injun.

Bezalel
11/21/2018 12:11:28 pm

"The only real change in the zeitgeist (per EVD) is in who's peddling the woo and how they're peddling it"

Jockobadger
With respect
There's another difference.
Today's hippies witches warlocks transgenders potheads alchemists crazies etc. you name them, aren't suppressing and delegitimizing, LIMITING THE FREEDOMS OF others' beliefs, which is exactly what the wasps and wascs were doing back then.

This is exactly where the Trump nut jobs are attempting to take us back to when they scream MAGA!!!! MAGAAAAAA!!!
.
Ignorant faith based woo. They want it enforced and enshrined into law, despite the Constitution forbidding it.
And only the Christian woo.

They're winning when mysogynist Kavanaugh gets an effing lifetime appointment.
Goodbye women's rights.

Not on my GD watch
This is America and all forms of craziness are allowed full equal legitimacy and citizenship here, no matter how stupid we think they are.

TV then didn't show it but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. The world has had witches for thousands of years for lucifer's sake. New age beliefs didn't just pop up in the 70s.

Finally, if we spent more public money

PUBLIC
MONEY

on science instead of militarism, the state of rationality, reason and progress would benefit.



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Joe Scales
11/21/2018 01:05:42 pm

Reactionary politics at its finest. You need to just sit back and realize the world is entirely corrupt. Every group. Every venue. Even on your watch. And there's not a damned thing you can do about it. It's who we are. It's who you are.

Bezalel
11/22/2018 02:03:03 am

Puerile and presumptuously underinformed
"Reactionary politics" is an irrelevant response and does not work
The fact we are all corrupt is a given and not the issue.
Should have been the first thing you figured out a long time ago, not the last thing you just adopted after 2016 elections

Joe Scales
11/22/2018 08:46:20 am

My, aren't we being myopic today. Pardon me for the rubber/glue chestnut, but it would appear to be you that wasn't fully formed until after 2016.

Rage on.

Jockobadger
11/22/2018 11:11:21 pm

I am with you Bez. Can’t respond in depth right now. I’ll will. Good work. J

Doc Rock
11/20/2018 03:12:58 pm

There have been a number of periods in American history when news media (broadly defined) really went of the rails. Some of the media discourse associated with presidential elections in the early 19th century was very rough even by contemporary standards. In the late 19th century you had folks like Hearst who personified "fake news" and National Enquirer style sensationalism.

Interesting (in light of recent event) to note that Theodore Roosevelt was the President who formalized the concept of White House correspondents who had direct access to the President, or his spokesmen, on a regular basis. However, it wasn't so much an effort to provide the press unfettered access to the President as it was a strategy to create a controlled environment where the President could put a favorable spin on his administration's activities. I believe that Teddy went so far as to stack the odds in his favor by limiting access in favor of those who were largely positive in reporting on him.


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Machala
11/20/2018 03:22:52 pm

A three hour wait for an eye doctor who's an ancient astronaut theorist? I think you may want to think about getting a different doctor.

EVD must be thinking about his finality as he nears his journey to infinity and beyond.

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Shane Sullivan
11/20/2018 06:03:20 pm

"It was my first time seeing this doctor, and I was surprised to find that he was a believer in the ancient astronaut theory ... "

How does this even come up in conversation?

"Hi, I'm Dr. Charroux. Know anybody else by that name?"

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11/20/2018 06:13:11 pm

He asked me about my work to judge how much time I spend with computer screens and how soon I will need progressive lenses. I told him I write history books, which prompted the conversation.

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American Cool "disco" dan`
11/20/2018 10:38:58 pm

How did the date end?

American Cool "Disco" dan
11/21/2018 12:03:48 pm

That right there is pseudoscience. Using your eyes doesn't make them wear out. Was he an opthalmologist or an optometrist? One of those is an actual doctor, the other is an Al Bundy shoe salesman. That is hyperbole, exaggeration for effect.

Dr. Eye Doctor
11/21/2018 01:06:45 pm

Of course heavy use of the computer does not cause one's eyes to "wear out." However, heavy computer use can result in a variety of conditions such as eye strain. Discussing what type progressive lenses a patient who uses a computer regularly may require in the future and when they may need them is in no way embracing the "wear out" myth.

american Cool "Disco" dan
11/21/2018 02:41:11 pm

You sound ig'nant. Can you supply proof for anything you said? NO.

IWentBlindFromTouchingMyself
11/21/2018 07:29:30 pm

CVS (Computer Vision Syndrome) is viewed by many professionals as a real thing. Progressive Lenses are widely viewed as one means of addressing the problem especially if it is complicated by other co-existing conditions. However, there are differing perspectives on the utility of progressive lenses for CVS depending, to some extent, on whether one is an optometrist or an opthalmologist.

Opthalmologists are generally skeptical of using progressive lenses, or at least particular progressive lenses which are simply modified with protective tint, for eye strain associated with computer use. However they obviously do not rule out the use of regular progressive lenses to correct worsening farsightedness that computer users may experience through time even if they do not directly linked the deterioration to CVS.

On the other hand, progressive lenses are commonly advocated by optometrists specifically for CVS and some support for their perspective can be found in the published literature. Likewise they may prescribe traditional forms of progressive lenses for computer users experiencing increasing farsightedness through time even if they do not directly link th condition to CVS.

Opthalmologists have more training than optometrists. But whether you go to one or the other it is highly likely that you will be questioned about issues such as computer use. They are simply assessing the potential for future need for progressive lenses based on past (reported) and current condition of the patients eyes and their current patterns of behavior. That's especially true if you are visiting a given doctor for the first time and they are being thorough.

See, for example:

http://milburneyecenter.com/computer-vision-syndrome/

https://www.rogersregionaleyecenter.com/eye-health/vision-over-40/how-progressive-lenses-work/

https://www.warwareyegroup.com/patient-education/computer-vision-syndrome/

https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/ergonomics/office/computer_glasses.html

https://www.aao.org/eye-health/ask-ophthalmologist-q/do-you-recommend-eyeglasses-that-filter-out-blue-l


https://www.coloradoeyecenter.com/computer-glasses/

https://bmjophth.bmj.com/content/3/1/e000146

https://www.aoa.org/patients-and-public/caring-for-your-vision/protecting-your-vision/computer-vision-syndrome

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0039625705000093

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1475-1313.2011.00834.x

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mark_Rosenfield/publication/295902618_Computer_vision_syndrome_aka_digital_eye_strain/links/56cf685008ae4d8d649fc316.pdf


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