Ex-CIA "Weird Desk" Official Kit Green Claims "Alien Autopsy" Emails from the Future "To the Stars" Crew Are Authentic

7/16/2019

Earlier this summer, an anonymous poster released online documents claiming to be emails produced in 2001 by Eric Davis and others for Robert Bigelow, and in the emails, we saw the various Legion of Doom members associated with Bigelow, many of whom are now affiliated with or orbit To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, speculate about the infamous Alien Autopsy video (also called the “Santilli film” after its creator, Ray Santilli) that aired on Fox-TV in 1995, with several expressing credulous views that the infamous hoax was either real footage or a recreation of real footage.

Recently, ufologist Richard Dolan sat down with Christopher “Kit” Green, who ran the “weird desk” at the CIA from 1969 to 1985 and worked closely with some of the familiar faces who are still looking for—and not finding—the same UFOs, cattle mutilations, dimensional portals, etc. Anyway, he worked with Hal Puthoff and Jacques Vallée among others. The point is that he’s been as much a part of the extended Puthoff / Bigelow / TTSA universe as the rest.

He and Dolan had some pratfalls whereby Dolan thought he was conducting an interview for publication and Green bizarrely thought it was just for practice (?), and the bottom line was this, according to Dolan:

One thing that I think is very important, and I don’t think Dr. Green would object to me saying at this time is that he “absolutely” confirms the authenticity of the eleven-page “alien autopsy” email thread that was leaked in June. Much of our conversation centered over the information contained within that email. The other fact of note at the present time is that he emphatically does not believe the being in the Santilli film is an alien. He was quite definite on this.

Although Green claimed in 2001 that the video was authentic, we can safely dismiss the idea of the alien autopsy video as real—it’s been known to be a hoax for two decades—but it certainly speaks to the supposed seriousness of the Bigelow / To the Stars circus that they treated this fake with the seriousness of a revelation.

Green claimed, according to Davis, to have been shown photos of a “real” alien autopsy at the Pentagon in the late 1980s, which apparently left no impression on him other than to shrug his shoulders and just hint at it obliquely behind closed doors. Dolan, in a separate communication, asked Green for more information, and his blithe indifference, he simply replied, “The much, much longer explanation is so complex I have no time in my busy medical practice to explain. It would take several days I do not have.” Ah, yes, you have proof of alien life or a vast conspiracy to fake it, but, gosh darn it, you just don’t have the time to tell anybody, though he makes plenty of time to engage in remote viewing conferences. Oh, right: Those hoaxers pay. Eventually Green conceded that he believes the “real” autopsy (later recreated as a fake for Ray Santilli) was of a cadaver with progeria, a disease that causes premature aging.

Regardless of Green’s views, the fact that the future To the Stars crew spent years investigating the Fox-TV alien autopsy special probably tells us everything we need to know about their efforts to find space aliens.

But the confluence of aliens and TV isn’t restricted to a flow from TV to TTSA; it also flows the other way. TTSA announced that Sekret Machines, the Peter Levenda-authored TTSA book series based on a warmed over ancient astronaut theory (my review: Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3), is now going to be turned into a TV series, according to TTSA’s July 12 SEC filing:

A television series based on the non-fiction trilogy Sekret Machines: Gods, Man and War is being developed with Cartel Entertainment, a production house with an international presence. The series centers around an FBI agent who, while investigating a string of murders, learns the victims were linked to a government program exploiting alien technology and were targeted by a group of abductees who believe they’re saving the human race from self-destruction. Recruited to their cause, the agent is forced to choose between illusion and reality, “normal” life and the shadowy world of the Phenomena.

And to think that the History Channel didn’t think to make a scripted Ancient Aliens spinoff series before this one came to market! Oh, wait, they did. It was called Project Blue Book. And now there will be two remakes of the X-Files clogging the airwaves with pro-UFO propaganda.

13 Comments

TONY S.

7/16/2019 03:57:14 pm

It's still incredible to me that in this day and age, a phenomenon like the UFO craze can flourish so abundantly without one solid shred of verifiable, scientific evidence.

At least in decades past ((from, say, the 1940s to the 1990s ) you could understand it little better. There was no social media, no 24 hour cable TV channels pushing fringe propaganda and conspiracy theories. Not every single person in the world was walking around with a personal computer/GPS/still camera/ movie camera in their back pockets, so for the credulous it was easier to believe that perhaps unexplained occurrences might have occurred in remote areas, like cryptid sightings. Technology wasn't nearly as advanced,so fuzzy photos of possible sightings weren't always unusual (even though hoaxes like the Patterson film were still debunked).

These days, hows like Finding Bigfoot and any number of UFO programs are going full on gangbusters. Their audiences don't seemed to be bothered by the fact that with all the video technology available even to normal everyday people, there still has not been a single verifiable photo of a UFO or cryptid to show the "doubters" as unimpeachable proof. Everything always happens to people who don't have their phones with them, I guess. That must be part of the conspiracy too.

It's also interesting that, again up to the 70s/80s, UFO and cryptid sightings were relegated to remote areas. Now, everybody sees Bigfoot everywhere, all over the country,and yet nobody still has been able to provide one single shred of evidence.

Joe Scales

7/16/2019 10:00:32 pm

Well, cell phones being alien technology, they're of course preprogrammed not to rat out their creators...

Accumulated wisdom, M.D.

7/16/2019 10:36:24 pm

It’s been medically proven that the radio waves emitted by cell phones can produce enough brain damage over time to cause a person to lose 75 IQ points. This would explain how one moron is able to create so many inane comments!

Kent

7/16/2019 11:09:56 pm

That's the story you're going with, Gary Busey?

TSeven

1/31/2021 09:25:20 am

As a sceptic until recently, I would be interested in your response to this, from Jacque Vallee’s ‘Confrontation’:

‘...There was no denying the wave of 1977. It started in June near Cape Gurupi, north of the town of Vizeu, and it moved in both directions along the coast: toward São Luís to the east and toward Belém to the west during June and July; it reached a peak in September and October.

The reason the phenomenon could not be denied was very simple: every evening the UFOs appeared, coming from the north. In some cases, they flew down from the sky, in others, they emerged out of the ocean. I saw a photograph of an object with a luminous white ring flying right out of the brackish water at dusk.

They came over the islands at low altitude and circled; they descended as if to land; they made loops and accelerated suddenly; they hovered over houses and probed the inside with beams. They even emerged out of larger objects and reentered them. And this happened on schedule, every evening for three months.

The panic on the island of Colares, according to a firsthand witness who lived through the ordeal, was hard to imagine. All the people who were able to leave, including the dentist and the school teachers, abandoned their posts. People who had family on the mainland left. The sheriff fled.

The objects were never alone. On numerous photographs taken by journalists they are seen accompanied by smaller probes. They exhibit a variety of shapes that would drive an aeronautical engineer to insanity. They range in size from starlike objects to things as big as two 737s end to end. The larger objects were more frequent than the smaller ones; and they hovered in the sky, apparently secure in the belief that out there, in the mist and the mud at the mouth of the Amazon, nobody would ever bother them. Perhaps they knew that the Brazilian Air Force had issued confidential orders directing air traffic away from the area.

There was nothing elusive about these objects. They were not the fleeting phenomena so often described in the American literature or the dreamlike manifestations experienced by the contactees, which become even more dreamlike under hypnotic regression. There was a superior technology at work over Colares, and all the observers could do was to film it and watch in awe.

Doctor Wellaide Cecim Carvalho de Oliveira, who had stayed on the island throughout the duration of the wave, agreed to speak with me. As the director of the community health center on the archipelago of Marajo (population: 6,000), she was quoted by Daniel Rebisso Giese in his report. She amplified her earlier testimony about the medical cases in the area.

Ground truth: Dr. Carvalho had worked in Colares eight months when she started to see patients who claimed to have been attacked by strange lights. Until then she had ascribed such stories to hallucinations and drunkenness. She had to revise her conclusions when she found that her patients presented similar symptoms:

A feeling of weakness; some could hardly walk
Dizziness and headaches
Local losses of sensitivity.
Numbness and trembling
Pallid complexion
Low arterial pressure
Anemia, with low hemoglobin levels
Blackened skin where the light had hit, with several red-purple circles, hot and painful, 1 inch to 1¼ inches in diameter (see plates 16 and 17)
Two puncture marks inside the red circles resembling mosquito bites, hard to the touch
Hair in the blackened area fell out and did not rejuvenate, as if follicles had been destroyed
No nausea or diarrhea

The doctor told me that at the time she did not have access to a sophisticated lab for further tests, but she did establish a drop in red blood cells in all patients. She put the victims under observation for four or five days.

About twenty patients between the ages of eighteen and fifty, many of them young men, were treated this way. They all told the same story: They had been resting in their hammocks when the light hit them from above. They were immediately immobilized, as if a heavy weight pushed against their chest.

The beam was about three inches in diameter and white in color. It never hunted for them but hit them suddenly. When they tried to scream, no sound would come out, but their eyes remained open. The beam felt hot, “almost as hot as a cigarette burn,” barely tolerable. After a few minutes the column of light would slowly retract and disappear.

The beam never hit the victims on the hands or the arms, always on the neck and torso. The discoloration and the mark appeared immediately. The body hair fell out later. And everything usually returned to normal after seven days.

There were several exceptions; in one case a forty-eight-year-old woman was seriously hurt. She had awakened during the night and had started to crochet to pass the time, when the light suddenly hit her chest.

After it withdrew, she went to military doctors, who

Roscoe P Coltrane

7/19/2019 01:49:50 am

Wow. Sounds like the church of materialism knocked at the door.

There are photos of ufos and videos. And of course we all know this is never proof. It is impossible for a moving picture to prove something exists that isn't accepted as real in the first place. So your point is give me evidence in a form that is never going to measure up. Cat chasing its tail. Any image could be "X"...bird, ice crystals, meteors, ball lightning, foreign aircraft, top secret aircraft, hoax, drone, balloon, CGI...it goes on and on. So it's never going to work.

Radar tapes, military reports, gun camera footage, 70 years of reports...all worthless, because we don't accept that as proving the unacceptable. Most people don't want you to accept it either, so on top of the evidence...you're told not to even allow this to be an answer. Light years away! They would never look humanoid! Why come here! They're too advance to care! Seth Shostak says so! Carl Sagan said so! Ha ha...snicker snicker! Jason Colavito who sits at home told me I'm a fool! I must believe these people, they are my master...ha.

To use TV shows as your scientific lab is terrible...cable loves these shows because they're cheap, people watch, they get paid by advertisers, it's ghostbuster content that fills the void like reality TV has. Not all of it is crap of course, and even the crap finds gold now and then...but to be upset with reality TV or something overly speculative like Ancient Aliens or Finding Bigfoot, is your own problem,

You're asking for steak but shopping at Burger King.

Now of course UFOs that were made fun of...turned out to be real. Stealth aircraft was made fun of, because people are hypnotized to not believe, there were pictures of it, sightings...but you were told not to believe it...but then poof there it is, a UFO that became a real material object. The government made fun of it too...they want you to laugh at UFOs and be disgusted by them so you become apathetic.

They're in your head and they have plenty of scientists that play along too either by being paid, threatened to lose grants, or disparaged as a kook. There's lots of lying and manipulation, its not evil conspiracy, its national security and destroying people is no problem in order to protect black projects or even known non-humans that we can't control. Better to just make fun of it, call people crazy, and keep living your daily grind and play in the tiny world they let you play in. Ignore the evidence...it'll keep your world simple...it won't be true, but hey what are you going to do about it? You don't have a spaceship to keep up with the UFOs, not now and not back in the 1950s...so none of us know the truth unless the non-humans want to turn Jesus and tell us everything--which they won't, and even if they did we would still doubt them.

Dude, you're lookin for love in all the wrong places and trusting the wrong sources. Jason will indoctrinate you here to not buy any of it...probably for the best for most people that need control and solidity. The rest of us will live on the edge and enjoy a bit more freedom and a lot more hate.

7/24/2019 01:23:02 pm

I'm not looking for love, I look for evidence. I find enough beauty and mystery in existence offered by scientific discoveries and legit history. Unlike fringers like yourself, I'm not looking for fantasy, have no deep seated need for it. by You equate the fringe with freedom when it's the exact opposite. Your contempt for the scientific method and the centuries of work accomplished by experts in various fields is glaring and obvious. You speak for "the rest of us", to whom do you refer? I'm guessing you mean the fringe crowd; if so, you can live in whatever delusional world you choose to, it makes no difference to me.

I find it ironic that people who don't know good sources from bad ones lecture others on what is and isn't reliable. You make a lot of personal assumptions about me without knowing the first thing about me. But it's not surprising, that's exactly what someone who is bamboozled by fringe thinking does. Objectivity and factual evidence be damned. I could sit here and explain how many years I've spent passionately researching science and history with no alternate agenda (IE a dislike and mistrust of academia, a love of conspiracy theories, whatever it is that motivates you), honing my skills to separate reliable sources from bad ones, but really, what's the point? Here's the difference between you and I: I'm open minded enough to know both sides of the equation ,I have weighed both sides throughout my life and long ago found the fringe to be wanting.

You talk about my "sources"without knowing what they are. Again,typical fringe thinking. Your language gives you away, your mindset is obvious. You project your own mode of thinking onto mine.No one who looks into both sides of an issue can be indoctrinated... at least, no one who values objective facts and knows what a good source is.

So, you can think you're free for believing in nonsense, and call those of us who know better "haters" (very mature, by the way), but at the end of the day it doesn't make what you believe any more objectively real.

Good luck finding that love. ;)

7/24/2019 02:28:54 pm

Oh, and by the way, materialism is not a "church". Again, language always gives you away. Church and faith go hand in hand, and faith is the rejection of reason, logic, and factual evidence. That is the definition of fringe belief. They hinge on acceptance of blind faith, dogma, preconceived notions, rejection of scientific principles and reliable sources because they don't hold up under serious scrutiny. The principles of the scientific method don't allow for belief, only un-partisan evidence. There is no church. It isn't a question of faith vs faith, it's evidence vs faith. If you cannot discern the difference, then it's your "sources" that are faulty.

Thank you for so easily demonstrating your intellectual ignorance. Now, get back to going after them Duke boys, Sheriff!

Roscoe loves Daisy

7/27/2019 03:17:31 am

I'm only responding to what your complaints were. You complained of sources that I find unreliable to provide you with proof. I don't know you, I don't doubt you're a smart individual. I'm not here to convince you or even care to...you can call me delusional, I hope in some aspects I am because it allows me to creatively see new patterns or holes in the patterns.

You do however sound like the echoes of many of the same voices we've heard before using science as a shield to the UFO subject when we know science is not being done, it is attempted but thwarted. What universities are studying it? What government secretary is reporting on it for us? Why is the FAA using weather anomalies for explanations to physical craft? Science is not being done as we know it. It is handcuffed, it is the black market of academia where you get frauds, half-truths, manipulation, and sometimes treasure.

What's worse is evidence is shown and, and, and, and, it doesn't go anywhere...why should it? Intelligent non-humans aren't real so the anomaly is dismissed because its not accepted. O'Hare...who cares. Belgium UFOs that got jump straight up and down thousands of feet per second...stealth fighter HA! Nimitz UFOs...don't know, don't care, ok wait we care but just so you go away. I at least say, look you don't think its non-humans, fine, then what is it and if you think its human...then why are you not pursuing it? Obviously its an amazing bit of tech and someone is using it at will, maybe good, but likely for bad if its human. Shouldn't you care then? And nope, no one cares...off on to something else. Pretty damn weird reaction if you ask me for a world built on science. Like I said we are indoctrinated to not pursue the UFO reality, oh we all have an interest, but really figuring it out is not something we're going to do.

I think you're slightly behind the times on materialism...science is bailing out on it because it doesn't explain what science is discovering currently. It doesn't mean its worthless, but it's at the end of its ability to explain reality. That's fine, again, it's a shift that most people won't accept or really know about because they are indoctrinated to think that way, and hey we all got day jobs that rely on materialistic principles. But we used to rely on Newtonian physics too in day jobs, the word of God for day jobs, the word of the King for what reality is. And after all that we now entertain that reality might be a simulation, whatever the science is, its just a type of coding. Wait who is coding this then...not us meat brain computers that don't last long and weren't around billions of years ago. Consciousness is doing it? What's that? Can't have consciousness unless you have a meat brain of neurons powered by energy. Sorry my delusional side kicked in.

The crazy man is always the most free, but no I don't believe in nonsense. I believe in the fringe that has evidence, that science is slowly coming around to as it realizes it was being played, trapped, and limited in its investigations.

Most definitely there are haters, but its temporary, science has always had them...but then time keeps turning and evidence keeps building and the old priesthood dies off and the new one comes in to move the ball down the field. If you want to see this in wacky super speed, look at the "scientific" health/nutrition field. Remember that aspirin you were supposed to take and how eggs were bad, the sun is bad, vitamins good, vitamins worthless! Science is always wrong and right, its just when you want to collapse the function when you view it. To believe in science, means you believe sometimes in the WRONG thing...that's the church of materialism, because they don't believe its ever wrong, but the evidence is saying it is. It doesn't have all the answers and some answers are/were wrong, but we still believe in it until the new church of X shows up in greater numbers and acceptance.

I don't think you know the difference between you and me if open mindedness is your criteria. I love science, its a great tool since its self-correcting. It's just when people assume its done doing its work that I don't buy into it.

The Duke Boys are in jail but I let Daisy out for bad behavior...yee haw.

Nick Redfern

7/18/2019 11:16:44 am

My take on the alien autopsy film (actually films...)

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/07/alien-autopsy-films-before-the-alien-autopsy-film/

Jasmyne

7/20/2019 05:11:38 pm

I found the TTSA references in your article interesting.

You mention in the article: "...we can safely dismiss the idea of the alien autopsy video as real—it’s been known to be a hoax for two decades."

It certainly looks like a hoax, but who exactly has come out and said it was a hoax. Your comment seems to indicate an official debunking. I'm just curious.

Pierre Charles link

7/21/2019 09:52:22 am

Santori himself said it was a hoax but inspired by a film he really saw !!!

Tony

7/27/2019 10:59:15 am

I don't expect you to believe this, but as a 25 year naval veteran, a military contractor, and latter a lecturing Professor, I have seen "objects" that were definitely NOT ours! First time was the port side of the Nimitz, when we all closely watched the "Object,." observing our ships. It would hover just above the water for awhile, then later submerge. Repeating the sequence over days. The other was at Miramar Air Base, CA. etc.. I'll end it on a better note.
I never blog, tweet, etc.. Just want to state that I enjoy and really impressed with the objective empirical writings from Jason Colavito.