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"Expedition Unknown" Host Josh Gates to Flee Country if Trump Elected; Plus: Trump Vows Tighter Libel Laws

2/28/2016

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Whenever I discuss anything that touches even remotely on politics, people get mad, and I get angry emails about it. These are almost always from conservatives. When I complained, for example, that Pres. Obama and Sen. Harry Reid, both Democrats, helped make a UFO museum a Smithsonian-affiliated “National” museum, I received not a single outraged letter, but even a passing reference to a conservative politician unleashes a deluge of complaints about bias and how discussing the contemporary influence of false narratives about the past should be off limits except to conservative pundits, who have some unique connection to revealed truth. 
This is a very long way around saying that anyone who is upset with me for disliking all that Donald Trump’s authoritarian campaign represents ought to be even more outraged at Expedition Unknown host Josh Gates, who makes me look positively subtle in couching my criticism in facts and arguments. In a tweet this week, Gates explained that he’s planning to flee the country out of hatred for Trump:

If this clown manages to win this thing, I'm going to have the great "honer" of moving to Vancouver. pic.twitter.com/nckM9YJxX7

— Josh Gates (@joshuagates) February 26, 2016
In another tweet, Gates, who is clearly much more partisan than I have ever been, compared the Republican presidential candidates to everything from Grandpa Munster to a robot. Here’s the host of a cable TV history show with more than one million weekly viewers saying the kind of thing that in past election cycles would have quickly gotten a public figure booted off TV. It’s rather astonishing, really, that essentially no one cares.
 
But it’s no surprise that Donald Trump isn’t planning to stand for anyone making fun of him after he takes office. And this isn’t simply an opportunity to criticize Trump but to express deep concern at the billionaire’s stated desire to protect wealthy Americans, celebrities, and corporations by making it more difficult, if not impossible, to criticize them in print, on TV, or online. Trump announced on Friday that he wants to strengthen libel laws:
 
“One of the things I’m going to do if I win—and I hope we do, and we’re certainly leading—I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,” Trump said. He then cited perceived liberal news sources by name and added, “We’re going to open up libel laws and we’re going to have people sue you like you’ve never got sued before.”
 
To Trump’s supporters, this sounded like a brave stand against the hated mainstream media, but the ramifications of Trump’s poorly considered plan are horrifying. For someone like me, whose entire public career is predicated on First Amendment protections, changing libel laws to make them more like those of Great Britain, or, worse, China, would make it impossible to continue to offer substantive criticisms of public figures, and not just politicians. As someone who frequently receives threats of libel suits from authors and TV personalities, for me this is a horrifying development. The essence of American libel law, as determined by the Supreme Court during its long-ago liberal phase, is that public figures have substantially less protection from libel than private individuals because entry into the public sphere means that they give up some control over what others say about them. As the Court found in New York Times v. Sullivan (1964), even mistakes are protected so long as they were made without malicious intent, since otherwise there would be a chilling effect on free speech that would essentially gut the First Amendment.
 
Trump wants to change that standard, to remove the requirement that accusers show actual malice in order to bring a libel suit. Note that his main criterion for libel is “negative” coverage, with “false” added as a tertiary afterthought. At first glance this seems like a temper tantrum by a man who doesn’t like being made fun of, but there is a very serious background to this, and one that (of course) touches on race: The original New York Times v. Sullivan ruling came about because public figures in the South used libel laws to try to force the media to stop covering the Civil Rights movement and the atrocities committed against Civil Rights protestors.
 
It is perhaps not surprising that the late Antonin Scalia, whom Trump praised as his Platonic ideal of a Supreme Court justice, thought Sullivan was wrongly decided and also would have liked to see libel law made stricter.
 
Consider how difficult it would be to provide substantive criticism not just of a public official but of the public figures and television shows I cover if I had to fear than even a minor misstatement or an honest mistake, or even just perceived “negative” analysis, could result in thousands or millions of dollars in libel judgments. Since only the wealthy would therefore be able to buy the right to free speech, such a change would return power to billionaires and corporations, and guarantee that whatever they chose to present as truth would go essentially unchallenged. The irony, of course, is that while Trump believes his action would curb the “liberal” news media (and it would make covering the news more difficult and expensive), it would also have the effect of giving the much more conservatively oriented (and profitable) nonfiction programming freer reign. Since shows like Ancient Aliens, Hunting Hitler, or Curse of Oak Island rarely refer to living people, and the dead can’t be libeled, even under Trump’s proposal, the revised law would result only in suppressing criticism. Those seeking to distort allegedly educational content for personal or political gain could use libel laws as a weapon to push radical agendas. Given the way we know corporations like Discovery Communications, the Walt Disney Company, A+E Networks, and NBCUniversal have happily stomped on the very idea of truth in pursuit of cash, and have happily catered to conspiracy theorists and promoted ignorance and lies, this should scare anyone who values free expression. 
77 Comments
Time Machine
2/28/2016 08:42:55 am

It's because of Barack Obama being a military sissy that Donald Trump is going to elected President - and have there ever been such a boring lot of candidates for the Presidency ???

All of the previous military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan were undone when Obama refused to check ISIL years ago.

Now ISIL cannot be defeated.


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tm
2/28/2016 01:16:57 pm

((Loud spitting sounds))

Damn! What kind of moron would make fruit salad entirely of lemons?

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Crash55
2/28/2016 01:38:24 pm

ISIS is nothing more than a nuisance. I say ignore them and let the locals deal with them

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Time Machine
2/28/2016 02:57:15 pm

Senator John McCain !!!!

Didn't anyone tell that simpleton that Russia was an ally of Syria, and that if America started bombing there that the Russians would have fired back ???

Is Syria really worth World War Three and a possible nuclear war ???

Didn't anyone tell McCain about these things ???

The Russians are currently bombing Rebel Syrians that have been armed and trained by the Americans - and as long as Putin knows that the Americans are confined to yap yap negotiations, he will carry on bombing Syrian Rebels,

Screw the News Bulletins in America and the UK that do not report things AS THEY REALLY ARE.

Time Machine
2/28/2016 03:05:35 pm

The likes of John McCain and Barack Obama, they are truly fantastic simpletons, and the UK politicians lack all common sense as well,

The substance of Julian Assange's WikiLeaks material demonstrated that those at the top are nothing more than ordinary (stupid) people who are just running the show.

Why exclusively pick on Donald Trump as an example of political ineptitude remains a mystery - since every other single living politician is a goofball.

tm
2/28/2016 04:47:16 pm

Uh...McCain and Obama were in the 2008 presidential race.

Poor Bobo! Set his "time machine" for the wrong date.

Otherwise...yawn...

Time Machine
2/28/2016 06:38:00 pm

Do you follow and support politicians

Worthless ignorant...

And I fucking know the facts.

tm
2/28/2016 07:04:40 pm

Bobo summarizes the last GOP debate.

Yawn...

Time Machine
2/28/2016 07:56:18 pm

Now I know tm stands for TOTALLY MENTAL

Time Machine
2/28/2016 08:01:10 pm

Senator McCain was belly aching shortly after the start of the Civil War why nothing was done militarily to help the rebels.

A great way to start World War Three and Syria wasn't worth it.

That was why Obama helped the rebels by giving them training and weapons - that have now been bombed by Putin,

Obviously tm does not keep up with the News Bulletins,

Obviously tm is of limited awareness like the News Bulletins.

Confined to the negotiating table, America is wasting time since Putin has total control because the alternative would be a World War with America.

SAY IT HOW IT IS.

Time Machine
2/28/2016 08:04:26 pm

And John Kerry won't achieve much with his fondling tactics.

tm
2/28/2016 08:44:21 pm

Top news sources: Washington Post, New York Times, The Hill, Politico, Huffington Post, TPM, Slate, LA Times, Denver Post, Time, Reuters, and...Bobo.

Hahahahahahahahaha.
Yawn...

Time Machine
2/29/2016 01:50:41 am

McCain wants American boots on the ground in Syria. Syria is not worth World War Three and McCain proves that politicians are goofballs.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-27/proxy-war-paradox-us-put-more-boots-ground-iraq-baghdad-looks-moscow

Committee Chairman John McCain of Arizona peppered Carter with questions about how the U.S. would protect forces as Russia carries out airstrikes that have been hitting forces opposed to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.



"Are we going to protect them from being barrel bombed by Bashar Assad and protected from Russia?" McCain asked.



"We have an obligation to do that. We made that clear right from the beginning of the train-and-equip program," Carter said.



"We haven't done it. We haven't done it," McCain disagreed.



Carter said to date, no forces that have been part of the U.S. training program have come under attack from Russian forces, but McCain once again disagreed.



"I promise you they have," McCain said. "You will have to correct the record. ... These are American-supported and coalition-supported men who are going in and being slaughtered."



Time Machine
2/29/2016 01:54:13 am

The only way to stop the slaughter in Syria is by America starting World War Three against Russia. Russia will fire back at the Americans, that's for sure - and that's why America are yip-yapping in negotiations rather than engaging in warfare like in Afghanistan and Iraq.

SAY IT HOW IT IS,

tm
2/29/2016 02:18:20 am

Yawn...

Time Machine
2/29/2016 02:21:10 am

Yawn back at you tm - TOTALLY MENTAL GOOFBALL

tm
2/29/2016 10:33:58 am

Touchy, touchy...

Yawn...

Mandalore
2/29/2016 10:54:11 am

I have to give points for the completely innane and asinine nature of your assessment of the situation. But points off for not having any actual reality basis for your thoughts.

Crash55
2/29/2016 10:00:41 pm

ISIS wants a caliphate and to bring about the final battle (eventually, I am sure once they have power it will be delayed). If the locals can't defeat them they will form a state. We know how to beat a state so let's wait till they form something we can defeat or implode on their own.

Riptide~
4/6/2017 04:30:02 am

You are a complete idiot Time Machine. People like you are what is wrong with this world. Degenerates taking over who think or 'believe' nothing else matters but their own pathetic life. If brains were dynamite you couldn't​ blow your nose. Get a life shithead.

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Cindi Van Kirk
12/20/2020 05:57:32 pm

Wasn’t this supposed to be about Josh Gates??

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Joe Scales
2/28/2016 11:21:08 am

"Note that his main criterion for libel is “negative” coverage, with “false” added as a tertiary afterthought."

Or added as a necessary condition precedent, which would of course be a less biased interpretation further made clear by the real issue being tempering the malice factor. However, going by the original quote, being purposefully negative, horrible and false would seem to imply malice. I do agree with you however, that the law does not need such a change.

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tm
2/28/2016 02:25:49 pm

I suppose it depends on what Trump means when he says "false". Though I try to not make assumptions about people, I tend to listen to politicians in the context of other things they say and with an ear for the connotative.

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Joe Scales
2/28/2016 06:43:57 pm

For anything to be libel, slander or collectively regarded as defamation in the States, it has to be false for the plaintiff's burden of proof; that is, untrue. That would be up to the finder of fact, which would be a judge or jury depending on how the case is presented. Another distinction comes into play when the plaintiff is a public figure. Then malice must be proved as well. In the States, truth is an absolute defense to a claim of defamation. In Great Britain, it is the defendant's burden of proof to prove truth when sued for defamation, and that's quite a distinction. So I would assume that "false" in this instance means untrue, given the context.

tm
2/28/2016 08:33:26 pm

Right. So is he suggesting new laws, or is he just adding a new narrative to his campaign. To me, the context of his campaign is creating sound bites that suggest simple solutions to complex problems.

Immigration? "Build a wall. Deport them all." (Which assumes, of course, that immigration is actually a problem.)

Terrorism? "Torture them. Kill their families. Don't trust Muslims."

Health care? "I won't let people die in the streets."

Criticism? "That's just the liberal media."

But that last narrative wont work anymore with criticism getting more specific and coming from all directions. New narrative: "When I'm President I'll make sure people can't libel and slander like this."

There is also a connotative content to all this that says things like, "When people criticize me it's not because I'm wrong", and "Why should I have to be specific? Trust me because I'm rich and successful".

He seems morally bankrupt to me (pardon the pun). I don't recall ever seeing a politician that can wear opponents down like Trump can. I hope to God the Democrats can find a way to dent his armor.

Joe Scales
2/28/2016 10:31:07 pm

Presidents don't make laws. They enforce them.

Politicians will say or do anything to get elected, in any party, in any election; whether or not it can actually be done. Not to say there aren't the rare individuals that come along who might meet your personal moral requirements. Unfortunately, this alone does not necessarily make them effective presidents.

Politics make liars of us all. I think I heard that in a Columbo episode once. The one with the Irish poet. One of my favorites.

Time Machine
2/29/2016 02:01:40 am

Donald Trump does have a point..

These bastard refugees and immigrants are welcomed with open arms by employers only too willing to pay them starvation wages to replace them with existing employees who have proper or at least better working conditions.

Recently people on UK News in bordering country to Syria were interviewed what they thought about the Refugee crisis - the reply: "We feel sorry for them, but they damage us. They take our jobs."

crainey
2/28/2016 11:36:33 am

This phenomenon of Trump is frightening in so many ways. The one you address here is just another of many. But if you listen closely to what the other two Republican front runners espouse it is hardly any more in touch with reality than The Donald is. He simply states out loud abhorrent and discredited ideas that the others must refer to using coded language. At the heart of it all is the party’s complete and utter disregard for critical thinking. In large part they are simply reaping what they have sown for so many years through climate change denial, acceptance of creationism and just generally attacking knowledge and education. This complete and utter meltdown of one of our two major political parties is, unfortunately, going to affect us all even if Trump doesn’t win.

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Matt Mc
2/28/2016 12:31:17 pm

I worked with Gates on a live production about 6 years ago and he was very outspoken about how liberal he was so this does not surprise me. I also would add he was really nice and went out of his way to spent time getting to know the entire production crew, which I cannot say for the others "hosts" involved in the production

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JaredMithrandir link
2/28/2016 01:27:20 pm

Trump is a Liberal pretending to be a conservative because that's what he thinks that's the easiest route to getting elected.

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Rook
2/28/2016 10:35:14 pm

I hardly see anything Trump stands for as being typical Liberal. If I had to describe him politically, I'd say he's a moderate with Conservative leanings on many social issues. The reason he is running as Republican candidate is because his message appeals to Conservative voters far more than to Liberal voters.

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JaredMithrandir link
2/29/2016 02:09:39 pm

I see that people are not getting the point of my accusation.

HE IS LYING

He is not saying what he really believes.

Gary
2/29/2016 06:34:42 pm

So, you are a mind reader then?

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JaredMithrandir link
2/29/2016 06:37:12 pm

I'm suggesting he still believes the same things he consistently believed before he became a media circus.

People don't usually completely change their world view that late in life.

Crash55
2/28/2016 01:44:45 pm

Trump is saying whatever he thinks will get him elected. If you watch carefully you can see that he has been moving more towards the center over the course of the campaign. This way he continues to add to his ranks since no one seems to leave him once they back him.

The real problem is that we have no good choices. It has pretty much become the less of evils. I will pick Trump over the criminal Clinton though probably not over Sanders. I will definitely take him over the scumbag nut job known as Ted Cruz.

As for libel laws - he can suggest it but that doesn't mean it will happen. Will congress want to tighten them? How will that mess with their own campaigns?

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V
2/28/2016 05:49:26 pm

Frankly, I would still consider Clinton to be the lesser of evils. She was arrogant and careless, but no one has yet proved that she caused harm with her email server, nor that any classified material went to sources it shouldn't have--only that it was routed through a server that shouldn't have been used. On top of that, it's a little bit unclear whether the things she sent were actually classified at the time she sent them, from the way things have been phrased by the investigation.

That's a lot less evil in my book than a racist loser who has deeply offended a number of our allies with his rhetoric. A big part of the President's job is diplomacy, and Trump's brand of diplomacy is likely to start wars--wars that will cost American lives.

I don't really think there are any really good candidates, either, but if it came down to Trump v. Clinton, I wouldn't so much vote for Clinton as decidedly AGAINST Trump.

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Time Machine
2/28/2016 06:39:01 pm

But you are a voter and politicians are nothing but useless slobs

Jonathan Feinstein
2/29/2016 04:28:21 am

When I compare Hilary's e-mails to the monstrous scam that was "Trump University" I must say I would prefer the candidate with the minor security risk of e-mails most, if not all, of whose content were classified after the fact over the one who allowed his name to actively bilk people out of their life's savings.

Once a scammer always a scammer.

Crash55
2/29/2016 09:49:09 pm

Those emails have found their way into the hands of Russia and China. That is definitely harm to our national interests

Gary
3/1/2016 12:33:17 pm

What's your source for that Crash?

Crash55
3/1/2016 05:43:44 pm

Here is a link to an article on the mess. Several sources have related the hacking. Being inside DoD and knowing some of the stuff that has been hacked i would be surprised if it hadn't been hacked.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/29/hillarys_victories_mean_painful_legal_choices_for_doj_wh.html

Gary
3/1/2016 06:11:31 pm

Crash, that article says nothing about her email getting hacked or foreign governments getting information from it. It looks like you made it up. Wishful thinking?

Crash55
3/1/2016 10:09:49 pm

I don't think you read the whole article. About 3/4 of the way down it says "Intelligence professionals agree the server was almost certainly hacked by foreign agencies—probably by several."

A quick Google search turned up this among several others: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-email-server-hacked-china-south-korea-germany-214546

V
3/2/2016 12:37:39 am

Crash55, please provide proof of harm done. Something being in the hands of other nations does not constitute harm if what they know does not materially affect the actions of those nations toward us. Furthermore, anything that was not classified at the times the emails were sent most certainly reached Russia and China by dozens of other means. Therefore, my question remains: WHEN were the items classified? This would hardly be the first time a scandal was created out of nothing by political adversaries by creating a crime when none actually existed, nor the first time it was done by using shady means.

To be 100% clear, yes. I am speculating that it is possible, given the way the investigation has worded things, that some or all of the supposedly 'classified' material was deliberately made classified after Hilary Clinton announced her bid to become president for the sole purpose of discrediting her. I have no proof of anything, but I find it somewhat suspicious that the wording is as vague as it is and that the scandal came out with the timing that it did. In politics, this is what is known as 'smelling a dead rat.'

Gary
3/2/2016 07:28:06 am

You keep expressing as a certainty that which is unknown.
"The Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee has found evidence of attempted intrusions into Clinton's server in 2013 and 2014, according to a letter Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)"
It could have been from political opponents for all we know. And no evidence of success. We don't even know if the attempts are a fact.
And still, she did not commit a crime. And if she broke a rule, it's nothing to go ballistic over. It's telling that the great focus on this reveals the desperation of her political opponents to drag he through the mud. It comes from the far right and the far left, which defines her as a moderate.

Crash55
3/2/2016 05:46:56 pm

Did you read the articles at all?

By definition anything that is classified as Secret does harm to the country if in enemy hands. Anything considered TS or SCI can do feat harm. The article cited many things that are classified from birth and that Clinton and her aides had the proper training to know what those are. Besides name of agents, anything collected by human intelligence, or sen by another governments intelligence service is classified. Emails containing that data was in there.

Also it is a Felony to take classified data from a classified system to a non-classified one. There is evidence of that as well.

At best you can say her aides did this without her knowledge / consent. However since she had the training she was obligated to report the leak as soon as she saw it.


It is evident that you aren't reading the entire article and have no clue about the classified world. Unfortunately most people appear to not understand just how egregious her actions were.

Personally I think her actions border on treason they are soo egregious.

Gary
3/2/2016 06:56:13 pm

I read the articles Crash and they don't say what you want them to say.
Your comment about treason tells me you are too ignorant or irrational to continue a conversation. You have an irrational hatred of the woman that makes you see and hope for the worst. You might try looking up the definition of treason.

Crash55
3/3/2016 07:17:37 pm

Gary you are the one being irrational and obviously lacking in reading comprehension.

The articles stated that moving an email from classified to unclassified is a felony. There was evidence this happened.


It said that her and her aides were given proper training in handling classified emails. It further stated that some data is classified from birth so even if it is not labeled as classified a properly trained person will know that it should be treated as classified. From my own training I know that the proper response if in doubt is it to treat it as classified.

A few messages getting mistreated would be one thing. 2000+ (per CBS tonight) does not happen by mistake. TS / SCI is not something you accidentally mistake as unclassified. Last count there were over 50 of those.

I know what she did does not raise to treason. I was using hyperbole. However there is a good chance that her laziness helped our adversaries and hurt us. To me doing harm to this nation through wanton negligence is close to treason.

If one Amercian lost their life to her mistreatment of official information then she needs to be in a cell next to Bradley Manning. Since it was classified information we will probably never know the exact repercussions of her actions.

DaveR
3/4/2016 07:42:50 am

Crash 55,

I would suggest that if you're going to disparage someone for his or her lack of reading comprehension skills you should do a better job of proof reading your post before clicking the submit icon.

Gary
2/29/2016 07:35:11 am

Criminal Clinton? What crime did she commit?

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Crash55
2/29/2016 09:55:39 pm

Sending classified data over unsecured networks is a crime. If any DoD employee did what she did we would be in jail for a very long time. A few emails you may able to argue as accidental or improperly classified but not thousands. At last count there were over 1000 at Confidential or Secret levels and over 50 at Top Secret or SCI levels. You know if you are sending something that is TS or SCI.

Besides the email scandal, how many others have their been? Do you honestly believe they were all made up to get her and Bill? What about all the stuff they "accidentally" took from the White House and had to return?

For now she is a criminal hopefully she will soon be charged and convicted, the. I can call her a convicted criminal.

Walt
2/28/2016 02:03:55 pm

"Note that his main criterion for libel is “negative” coverage, with “false” added as a tertiary afterthought.."

I don't want any changes to our libel laws, but I'd love to see you have to prove that you didn't just totally make that up, which you did, while declaring yourself both "an author and an editor" no less. "Editor" is a secondary afterthought?

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Jason Colavito link
2/28/2016 02:17:49 pm

Did you watch Trump's rally where he said this? He placed "negative" first and gave it more verbal emphasis. Your interpretation of his emphasis may vary, but to my ear it sounded like he wanted "negative" to sound more important than "false."

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Walt
2/28/2016 02:39:50 pm

No, I can't watch any of this stuff with either party. I try, but I just can't make it very long.

You should try to work your interpretation of his emphasis into that sentence somehow. I didn't even think about how he may have said it. It makes more sense knowing that.

David Bradbury
2/28/2016 03:08:34 pm

It doesn't really matter whether Trump appeared to want "negative" to sound more important than "false"- so long as he's got "false" in there somewhere he can defend his position as consistent with the First Amendment. What's intriguing, though, is that he goes on to develop an apparent shorthand term for what he wants to stop; twice in a few words he uses the term "hit piece".

In connection with JaredMithrandir's suggestion that "Trump is a Liberal pretending to be a conservative" I was also intrigued by what he said immediately before these remarks. He attacked Jeff Bezos, both as owner of the Washington Post and as boss of Amazon. The implication seemed to be that Trump would support Mom & Pop against the nasty monopolistic capitalist retail giant.

Jason Colavito link
2/28/2016 03:56:50 pm

I'd say, David, that to describe Trump as having "positions" is perhaps too strong a characterization, and he probably didn't think about his First Amendment views in any coherent way. I don't think he's really either liberal or conservative in the traditional sense but rather a nativist and a populist, and the randomness of his "positions" allows a wide range of people to read into them reflections of themselves, sort of like a horoscope.

Jonathan Feinstein
2/28/2016 04:03:20 pm

Mister Trump's definitions are all "Trump-centric." He defines a "great guy: as almost anyone who agrees with him and insults anyone who does not. Even when he disavows an endorsement, such as those by David Duke and other white supremacists, he only fluffs it off - disavowing it in word only - but does not make the sort of strong condemnation he ought to. And he never stops to consider why such groups finds his proposals so palatable... now THAT is scary!

Time Machine
2/28/2016 06:41:23 pm

If you don't trust Trump, you must trust some other worthless politician somewhere.

All politicians are crappy like Donald Trump.

Give me any name, and I'll provide a list of that politician's ineptitudes.

Time Machine
2/28/2016 06:43:31 pm

Relentless attacks against fringe theorists - but politicians are as equally worthless as the fringe theorists. Those baboons supporting the politicians at the conventions, they are crazy and ignorant.

John Dunham
2/28/2016 04:49:38 pm

Don't worry Jason. Even though our current administration likes to pretend that it can go around the constitution, its crazy programs and executive orders keep getting struck down by the courts A President Trump can want to do a lot of things, but fortunately this is not China or the UK and the founders were wise to protect both speech and the press.

Now for Mr Gates, since he likes to look for things that he never finds, what will he search for in Canada? Maybe palm trees? the Loch Ness Monster? Really good bagels? The options for his show are endless

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Jonathan Feinstein
2/28/2016 05:48:57 pm

He may find decent bagels. I understand there are some good ones in Vancouver, and definitely great lox...

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David Bradbury
2/28/2016 05:51:22 pm

If he could find one or two pre-Columbian Norse, Basque or English archaeological sites in the St. Lawrence area that would be a nice start.

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Lurker Uncloaking
2/28/2016 06:41:49 pm

God I get tired of this sort of swill.

It is claimed by numerous Republican politicians and media figures that during President Obama's administration, the Supreme Court ruled against the Obama administration in 13 instances where President Obama exceeded his Constitutional authority, and they helpfully provided a list of the cases in the spring of 2014.

Eight of these cases were brought against his predecessor, Mr. Bush. The cases were on-going when President Obama took office, and his Justice Department continued to argue the position of the previous occupant of the office, as is customary in cases touching on the limits of Executive authority.

The remaining five supposed examples:

United States v Jones, regarding FBI authority to use GPS to track a suspect.

Arizona v. United States, regarding Arizona's attempt as a State to set immigration policy, a Federal prerogative. On three of four elements of the suit, the Court sided with the administration, the remaining count was simply sent back to the lower court for reconsideration.

United States v. Wurie, regarding a police search in Boston, the incident in question having taken place short before President Obama took office.

Sekhar v United States, regarding whether the FBI had properly charged a venture capitalist under Federal extortion laws for his scheme to procure investments from a New York official.

The final instance, National Labor Relations Board v. Noel Canning is the sole item on the list in which an executive action by President Obama was overturned by the Court. It ruled he had exceeded his authority to make recess appoints, since the Congress was at the time maintaining a sham of being in session, though the members were absent and no business was being done and at no time was there a quorum.

I have done a bit of search and failed to find any Supreme Court rulings President Obama has exceeded his Constitutional authority over the last year, though there have been some rulings by Appellate courts.

I do not expect this to change your mind, nor do I intend to get into any prolonged argument about this. I have simply laid out the facts, which demonstrate more than adequately your assertion President Obama 'pretends he can go around the Constitution' is false.

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flip
2/28/2016 09:27:31 pm

1) Popehat/Marc Randazza has posted on Trump's comments and is well worth the read.
2) As they have pointed out, Trump is being entirely self-serving as he doesn't like to be criticised and has already used defamation law suits as a way of chilling speech.
3) American politics/politicians makes Australia's recent poloitical turmoil and antics look positively sane. I am so glad to live in a country where Trump would have been laughed out of the room by now.

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flip
2/28/2016 09:28:59 pm

Whoops... for those not in the know, Popehat is a great First Amendment blog by actual lawyers.

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Bill
2/29/2016 08:55:02 am

Ever watch Tim Allen in Last Man Standing? He expresses his polical views in pretty much every show.

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titus pullo
2/29/2016 01:14:00 pm

Nice post Jason and I'm a conservative/libertarian (but against interventionism). Trump is just out there and he is what we deserve. For decades the political class has demonized the "other side" to such an extent that the folks believed it. Both sides did it very well. And the total trashing of the Constitution and Bill or Rights by both sides won't even discussed in the media.

Welcome to the US...if the GOP goes down and breaks into the libertarian wing, social conservatives, crony capitalists, and neocons it might be a very good thing. The Dems have their day of reckoning as well..they have played identify politics for so long and group rights that once they get all the power each group will be fighting for the pie. Sanders is just the first shot in that fight.

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The troll Krampus
2/29/2016 06:51:11 pm

This comment is for politics in general: Politics is just a dog and pony show for the common masses. "Government" is a structured hierarchy that is only in place to protect the elites of a society. Elites supporting elites in an effort to increase wealth and power.

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Tony Marino
3/1/2016 10:46:27 pm

Mr. Colavito,I think that a lot of conservatives are tired and angry for being the scapegoats for all the world's problems. We're accused of being racist or homophobic simply because there are those people in our ranks. Many on the left blame America or those on the right for whatever is wrong with the planet. I think that those constant attacks tend to make some of us who have those views very sensitive.
Not every conservative is in lock step with Donald Trump. Nor do we all subscribe to conspiratorial thinking. There are those of us who want proof of something before we believe it. We're always made the whipping boys for whatever problem is out there,whether it be racial,gender,or whatever problem there is. And a lot of times,that anger is expressed in a lot of different ways. Like support for Donald Trump,for instance.

Far too often,conservatives are looked upon as neanderthalic twits who should just shut up and listen to "their betters." We're told that we're racist,sexist,homophobic morons who couldn't find our way out of a wet paper bag without help. That we don't have the same free speech rights as those on the left enjoy. Over time,that sort of thing can make someone really angry and then,you get those sorts of responses.
Now,I'm not justifying ALL of the nasty or crazy stuff or even half of it. I'm just giving what a far more reasonable person would say if they had the chance to express those feelings. We're not all jerks,but we are tired of being treated like that's what we are.

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V
3/2/2016 12:51:23 am

Mr. Marino, I would like to take this opportunity to hold up a mirror. Not every liberal is in lockstep with our most outspoken crazies, either, and we ALSO get tired of being told that we're tree-hugging socialist hippies who want to take everything away from the people who have it so that nobody has anything. Liberals have been blamed for "everything that is wrong with our country," too. I would remind you that the Westboro Baptist "Church" ain't liberals. And frankly, when I hear someone bitching that "we don't have the same free speech rights as ___" it is almost always because they want to be able to say whatever they want to whomever they want without anyone being allowed to object. Well, sorry, free speech doesn't work that way. You, a conservative, are allowed to spit out whatever you want on the floor, such as this rant blaming liberals for Trump. I, a liberal, am equally free to tell you that you are full of crap.

Now, believe me, I don't even particularly like being classified as a "liberal." I prefer to be called a "left-leaning moderate." But apparently that's nothing but a unicorn these days, so I'm not even allowed to exist, according to liberals AND conservatives.

I'm sorry, sir, but the vast majority of the world is not blaming you for the world's ills, because most of the world doesn't really care about you. It's you who are ASSUMING that when I call out people who are racist, homophobic, sexist morons, I'm lumping you into that group instead of calling out the people who are part of that group. However, I will also say to you the same thing I have said to any number of Christians who want to point at, say, Westboro and say "you shouldn't judge Christians by that!"

If you don't want people who are not part of your group judging you on the basis of the loudmouthed bigots, make it clear that the loudmouthed bigots are not welcome in your group. Don't write a defensive rant about how wrong everyone else is and how it's really kind of okay for that stuff to exist because you're all tired of being blamed for people like Trump. KICK THE TRUMPS OUT. Because otherwise you are guilty of being accomplices to it through your silence.

Please, do get angry. And then direct it at the people who are doing the things that are staining your reputation rather than the people who only have those assholes to judge you by.

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Tony Marino
3/3/2016 12:55:15 am

Look,V. I'm not blaming you for that. And I CERTAINLY wouldn't use the words you used. If I were looking for a church to worship at,the Westboro Baptist Church would be LAST on my list because they're a bunch of loons and I don't want to associate with them. But,when you have people like Sean Penn or Bernie Sanders cozying up to paranoid loudmouths like Hugo Chavez,who many might say is just as bad as Donald Trump is or slugs like Fidel Castro,the Sandinistas,or the Soviets,that's what will happen.
And please,don't try to hang those like Pinochet on me. He was just as bad as Hitler,Mussolini,Stalin,or Mao. I don't like him and,to me,the Chileans should have tried him and sent him to jail because he deserved that. I'm not a Trump supporter. I tend to stay neutral on stuff like that.

I wasn't attacking you,V. I was attacking those who lump those like me with those with those like Trump. There are a lot of things I'd rather do with my time than obsessing over things that are way over my head. I hope you'll forgive me but I have to do but I hope we have a less bitter discussion than the one we just had. See you later.

DaveR
3/2/2016 10:12:07 am

Trump would be opening himself up to lawsuits because he's written "...purposely negative and horrible and false articles..." about many people.

Anybody who believes Trump is running for President to help the working class is an idiot. This is a game to him and he's treating it like one long running joke. Trump, if elected, will do everything he can to protect and increase the wealth of the 1% richest Americans.

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Duke Silver
12/17/2016 12:00:21 am

Bye Josh. Vancouver is nice this time of year. And, they have more monsters in Canada as well.

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Mclawhon
12/21/2016 02:28:05 pm

Since we now know Trump will be #45, the cowards(as in Josh Gates-of whom I was a TV fan) should be packing. Their passion aside, they are not the folks with gumption, that made this country great. Him saying he will leave the US in the light of a Trump victory, could have also been heard from loyalist when #1 was voted in and from every opposition party since. In a Democracy you do not throw in the towel and vamoose because someone other than your choice of leaders was the choice of the majority. Having our leaders chosen from 1 party or the other in our two party system, will almost always leave half of our populous with a leader they neither voted for or will be happy with! So get over it! O'Bama is finally leaving and the country is still in tact, no matter how slight!

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DeeAnn Remlinger
12/25/2016 06:05:35 pm

I am very disappointed that Josh Gates is taking this stance. I had always like him and his shows but if he is going to be one of those cry babis that cannot accept America's decision on our next president, I will have to boycott his shows. I always thought he was well educated, but if he supports Obama, I must be wrong. Obama was a traitor to the American people. He put into effect some of the worse policies any president ever implemented. He was an am bar assent to the American people and caused so much violence with his racism. So, good bye, Josh Gates and good bye Exposition Unknown.

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Capt. Hank
1/24/2018 12:45:02 pm

Well, I see that he is still in the United States of America. Just like the other loud mouth Liberals, all talk, no action.

Bye.....!

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Laurie Kendrick
6/23/2019 10:20:03 pm

I used to like Josh Gates. Oh, I still do I guess, as long as I read nothing more about his brand new home in Canada where he moved after Trump became President. Buy watching him will be different now. I’ll know. I now always know.

Please Liberals, don’t threaten to move out of country if your candidate loses. It just makes you look and sound as credible as Joy Behar, Alec Baldwin, Whoopi Goldberg, Madonna, Rosie McDonald, every current late night host, most of every SNL cast now or ever and now, Josh Gates.

Geez, Josh you've lost me and that angers me.

Now, I guess I now have no choice but to get my ghost fix by watching those old broads hunt for spirits with their blue haired “Bro!!! “DUDEZ!!!!” histrionics on Ghost Adventures.

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