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Following Up on Rh-Negative Blood, the Kandahar Giant, and the FBI's Investigation into Richard Shaver

9/1/2016

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Today I have three follow-ups to discuss on the Kandahar giant, Rh-negative blood, and the FBI’s involvement with the Shaver Mystery. Oh, won’t it be fun!
First up is Rh-negative blood. Regular readers will remember that there are two main schools of fringe thought on the subject, the first being that the rare blood types (A, B, AB, or O negative) signify that the bearer is a descendant of space aliens—either as their slaves or their children—while the second claims that it is a mark of racial superiority among certain Basque, Celtic, or white supremacist groups.
 
A woman named Katrina wrote to the Washington City Paper because she was concerned that having A-negative blood would impact her pregnancy. She used Google to research the condition but was bombarded with kooky fringe claims about aliens, diffusionism, and racism.
 
Cecil Adams replied by citing Nick Redfern’s alien ideas (which are not unique to or originated by him) before making the obvious and correct conclusion that the alien claims are an offshoot of straight up racism:
Forever on the lookout for some minor genetic distinction between ethnicities to bolster their worldview, certain white supremacists are tickled a melanin-deficient pink about the fact that about 15 percent of people of European descent will tend to be Rh-negative, while less than one percent of Africans, Asians, and Native Americans will. Thus, predictably, you’ll see assertions that Rh-negatives have a higher IQ and that the fair-skinned Caucasian traits of Northern Europeans were caused by the mutation. Stray far enough into the muck and you'll find “proof” that Jesus was Scandinavian—with AB-negative blood, natch.
It's good to see this kind of racism called out in print, if only in alternative weekly. After wall, more than a few people who read alternative weeklies are also the kind of people who are likely to believe aliens are their real parents, anyway.
 
Meanwhile, Snopes.com has taken notice of the wildly proliferating claims that the U.S. military captured or killed a red-haired cannibal giant near Kandahar in 2002 after the giant killed a special forces member named Dan. The story, as I noted recently, originated with claims made by Steve Quayle a decade ago but recently received new attention when L. A. Marzulli included it in his Watchers X DVD and subsequent YouTube promotional video.
 
Snopes actually called the Defense Department for comment, and a DOD spokesperson gave them the following statement: “We do not have any record or information about a special forces member killed by a giant in Kandahar.” Granted, conspiracy theorists will dismiss this as a cover-up, but Snopes also found the same information that I did, namely that the only service member named Dan who died Kandahar in 2002 died in a documented accident alongside three others.
 
I’m glad that Marzulli’s video has now been labeled “False,” but it is testament to the growing popularity of these kinds of YouTube claims that Snopes ran the story in the first place.
 
Finally, I’d like to return to the bizarre tale of the FBI’s investigation of Richard Shaver, the author of I Remember Lemuria, and his publisher, Ray Palmer of Amazing Stories, in the days following Kenneth Arnold’s flying disc sighting in the summer of 1947.
 
Regular readers will remember that not long ago James Carrion made some rather dramatic claims that declassified FBI documents pointed to a secret U.S. government plot to fake flying discs and the Roswell crash to fool the Soviets. Carrion cited a memo in which the FBI redactor failed to blot out the name of Richard Shaver, allowing me to reconstruct a bizarre and sad story of how Ray Palmer helped to midwife the UFO phenomenon in order to promote the Lemurian fantasies of his cash cow, Richard Shaver, whose novels Palmer said were actually based in fact, the so-called Shaver Mystery. The FBI uncovered the truth but then did nothing with the results because they had ended their partnership with the Army Air Forces, later the U.S. Air Force, before delivering the final reports. The Army Air Forces, for their part, misled the FBI throughout by denying that they had any secret military projects that could have caused some UFO sightings, which nevertheless the FBI kept coming back to as a likely explanation. They carefully worded their denials to obfuscate, since it was literally true that they were not flying specifically disc-shaped aircraft, omitting their planes and balloons.
 
Kevin Randle analyzed Carrion’s posting from a different perspective, examining military aspects of the claims, prompting a rebuttal from Carrion. Now UFO researcher Brad Sparks, the founder of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, has issued his own rebuttal to Carrion, but he takes a more serious view of the FBI’s role in investigating the Shaver Mystery.
 
To understand this requires highly complex background that isn’t worth analyzing in detail. The short version is that all involved put a great deal of weight on the July 21, 1947 FBI memorandum which reported that Carl Goldbranson of the War Department Intelligence Division has asked the FBI to look into Shaver. Thus, Sparks makes the following claim:
If anything, Goldbranson's request for FBI investigation of Shaver sounds more like a counterintelligence and security matter, not some sort of deception scheme. Goldbranson was wondering if an AAF flight had had an encounter with a UFO in some way linked to, or anticipated by, Shaver and thus might be some kind of threat to the AAF.
Sparks also questioned Goldbranson’s affiliation, arguing that he was an Army officer and therefore was acting outside of the Army Air Forces purview, so the AAF was not actually the agency involved in planning or responding to the flying disc event (“the FBI memo says Goldbranson was from Army Intelligence Division, not AAF”). Carl Goldbranson was a name shared by a father and a son, Air Force and Army respectively, who were both serving in 1947. I do not know which was the officer in question.
 
But when we follow Sparks’s analysis back to its sources to look at what the War Department actually sent to the FBI on July 16, 1947, we see that Sparks and Carrion are both making assumptions. Far be it from me to give Carrion any succor—his case is, to put it mildly, unproved—but you can’t craft a narrative from one document, or even two. I say this with full knowledge that even after reading through hundreds of pages, I still haven’t found all of them either.
 
The FBI memo actually slightly misrepresents the information the Bureau received. On July 16, they did receive information about Shaver, and Goldbranson might even have delivered it, but the information did not originate from him. The memorandum of that day officially came from the War Department General Staff, not the Army Intelligence Division. Further, it was not signed by Goldbranson, but, in memo form, had no closing. The July 21 version, sent to J. Edgar Hoover’s assistant, D. M. Ladd, said that Goldbranson had “informed” special agent S. W. Reynolds of the Liaison Section about the incident and asked for action. The most parsimonious reading is that the WDGS prepared a memo for the FBI, and Goldbranson, working in the office, handed it to Reynolds, the FBI-War Department liaison, to take back to headquarters. However, we know that this was not specifically an Army issue because the WDGS memo references a telegram about Shaver that had been sent directly to the Army Air Forces Headquarters. AAF appears to have bumped the note up to WDGS because they had a liaison in place with the FBI.
 
However, Carrion reads these events as discrete moments in a conspiracy whereby Goldbranson purposely delayed each step in the information transmission process to create a conspiracy. Sparks, on the other hand, assumes that the July 16 memo didn’t get where it needed to go and that Goldbranson “telephoned or visited” Reynolds in the “five-day gap” between July 16 and 21 to deliver the message in person. My reading is also an assumption of course, but one that takes a minimalist position. The truth is that we don’t know why the two documents differ, but the fact that the FBI’s July 21 memo repeats verbatim chunks of the WDGS memo of July 16, with the same attachments, argues that there was only one transmission event, not repeated calls to action.
 
A look at the calendar might explain why. July 16 was a Wednesday, and assuming that Goldbranson didn’t rush the memo over to the liaison’s office (or even if he did), Reynolds likely could not do anything with it until Thursday or Friday, at which point FBI headquarters had the information. Even within Washington, it took time for memos to be read, reports to be filled out, and documents to pass from office to office. The War Department wasn’t just next door to the FBI, and there is no indication anyone considered this memo important enough to rush. The intervening weekend then accounts for the time gap before headquarters issued a memo on Monday July 21. Thus, the mysterious “five-day gap” all but vanishes into the time it takes for an office to process its paperwork.
 
Granted, this is speculation, but it conforms to the patterns seen in other memo series from the era, where a day of processing follows receipt, and weekends delay responses. Indeed, on August 19, in response to a request for more information, the liaison officer told his bosses at the FBI that he had met with and discussed the discs with a different colonel, a Col. Garrett of the Air Forces, who had given him the memo, at which time Garrett told him that he thought that the discs were really secret Air Forces test planes that even he had not been told about. This, by accident, sparked the FBI discussion that eventually led to the FBI leaving the UFO business when they realized the Air Force was trying to offload crank cases onto them.
 
Similarly, the “gap” between when the telegram about Shaver was sent to the AAF and when the WDGS acted on it seems to be less a conspiracy than indifference. The telegram was sent on July 5, and Sparks wonders why it was only “received” on July 9. But that isn’t the case. The AAF Headquarters received it on July 5, but a handwritten note said that it was received by an acronym with an illegible letter (marked with a question mark), the AFBI[?]-CO on July 9. That means that AAF Headquarters received it on a Saturday and probably passed it on to another division later the next week, after an official Air Force report on flying saucers in Wisconsin was received on Monday, July 7, sparking interest. In other words, the telegram on its own wasn’t interesting, and it only became of interest when flying saucers were reported shortly after within 50 miles of Shaver’s house.
 
Indeed, that is exactly what the WDGS says: “In view of the fact that the time the observation of the flying saucers was made corresponds closely with the date of the unsigned telegram and considering the proximity of [Lily Lake] to the points where the objects were observed, it is requested that [Shaver] be investigated.” Thus, there is no “conspiracy” but rather the War Department foisting onto the FBI the grunt work of running down an unlikely lead out of an abundance of caution.
24 Comments
nomuse
9/1/2016 12:27:19 pm

On the Rh stuff -- over at Godlike Productions I encountered a meme that distilled both a peculiarly crass racism and a literal-minded misinterpretation of the science to claim that the superior "Rh -" must be of unblemished alien/angelic descent because "there is no monkey blood in them."

I assume this has more primary sources but I had no interest in discovering them.

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DaveR
9/2/2016 10:08:48 am

The idea that RH+ denotes the presence of monkey blood is false. When these proteins were first discovered they produced the same antibodies as blood serum from the Rhesus monkey, so it was called the Rhesus Factor. By the time doctors understood this did not represent evidence of monkey blood, it was too late, the term had taken hold, so it was shortened to Rh Factor.

This, of course, means nothing to the fringe, who distort, manipulate, and lie with so much ease that it's probably more difficult to style Giorgio's hair.

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Christine Erikson link
9/4/2016 02:26:34 pm

assuming monkey blood is involved, the Rh- crew DOES have the "monkey blood" because it can be carried in a positive person and crop up in later generations.

Carrion eh? rotting meat for a last name. reminds me of someone named Hogsflesch who wanted his name changed and the judge agreed.

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DaveR
9/8/2016 09:17:45 am

The test was called Rhesus because blood from Rhesus monkeys was used, blood showing a positive result did not indicate the presence of monkey blood, only that it was positive for a certain protein found on the wall of the red blood cells.

Tom
9/1/2016 01:28:33 pm

Odd that Aliens with such high technology they were capable of interstellar travel could not produce a humanoid with the same blood group as the humans that lived at the time of their visit.
Even odder is the fact that although "caucasians" had blood groups so superior to most others, they actually lived the greater part of recorded history in utter barbarity.
As for the amazing and entirely mythical Kandahar red haired giant, refer to the giant red haired yeti, red bear, bigfoot etc in the "Boys own book of Marvels" and the addendum "How to fool the gullible public and get their money"

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V
9/1/2016 03:38:46 pm

"Barbarity" is frankly an opinion-based term, not something that has actual standards that can be compared. Caucasians have, comparatively speaking, had neither more nor less "culture" or cruelty than pretty much anywhere else in the world. Which goes even further to argue that Caucasians are nothing special.

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Templar Secrets
9/2/2016 05:58:02 am

Another opinion.

V
9/3/2016 02:51:12 pm

Perhaps, but one that is most certainly more informed than yours, based on the bullshit you regularly spout.

Only Me
9/1/2016 01:55:18 pm

Considering how many people follow Snopes, I hope this means the Kandahar giant story is done.

Somehow, I don't think Carrion is too familiar with the glacial pace of government bureaucracy. Before computer records and backups, everything was put to paper, often in duplicate or triplicate. Even microfiche wasn't always the easiest way to archive.

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Kal
9/1/2016 03:18:20 pm

Despite dogmatic myth, story or evidence, it is likely Jesus Christ was NOT white. He was probably tanned to coffee colored skinned, like those from modern Palestine. He probably had thick black curly hair and a large nose and beard. He was about 33, fairly on in years for someone of his day, and had 12 to 13 disciples, all of them similarly NOT white. His eyes were probably brown, not blue as in European eye color. His ministry was only in the Israel region but spread about to the whole Roman world eventually, and the world. I am not debating if he existed or not, but that he could have even been considered Caucasian, which he certainly could not have been back then.

The silly racist blood type thing does not consider the IQ of Niel DeGrasse Tyson, (who is half black), Barack Obama, who is half black, and countless civil rights leaders who were black or some other group.

The only thing blonde blue eyed genes tell us, being a white male with Italian and Irish and American background, that or ancestors have a little DNA from cave men, you call Neandrethals. This means we didn't breed with aliens. We bred with some other humans. Heh. If anything, the white genes are actually the mutation. Ha.

But take heart white anglo people. It turns out Neadrethals were pretty smart, as later evidence proved, past that arthritic skeletons that were found, and that culture likely co existed between humans and them for years.

Humans did not come out of Africa and Asia in one swoop, but in eons over time, and in waves spanning centuries and then millennia. It didn't have to be aliens. It was migration.

No homonid species is superior from another. Now we all seem to share the same basic traits of the last homo sapiens, and are as smart, or in some cases not so smart, as each other. Once we bested and out lasted the last of the previous homonids, it was kind of set.

Environmental conditions can lead to dumbing down of some people though. It doesn't make those outside those conditions better, merely better off. Racism based on DNA is as foolish as racism period, but that's just like those old 19th century ideas about head size. It's bogus.

Maybe they are confusing the genes people are born with with the genes passed down from certain groups, but that has been proven to be a lottery more than a given.

Gee, even the Meso Americans discovered math independently of the Arabs. At the same times as those events, Europeans, hindered by their plagues and witch hunts, and tribal wars over images, didn't know much.

Latin evolved into the romance languages eventually.

Israel gave birth to a religion billions of people strong.

Arabia groups gave birth to one also, Islam, which it has billions of people.

Europeans got into the act later as the gentiles and came out of the whole thing culturally on top for a while, and today it appears they're desperately trying to hold onto their old ways of once being on top.

Well that's more cultural migration that history, but I'm not a history teacher.

As for blood type deciding intelligence, it means nothing. Upbringing decides a lot of that. If someone is raised with advantages that enable them to be educated and well fed, they might also be intelligent.

Sometimes there are prodigies raised in poor places that rise to greatness, but usually those are the stuff of legend.

For more information on the great minds of the world, feel free to google them and see how many of them weren't white. It's an interesting thought process.






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DaveR
9/1/2016 04:05:22 pm

This is predicated on the belief that a man named Jesus Christ actually lived and was executed by the Romans. Even though an entire religion has been created around this man, there is no concrete historical evidence that he existed.

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Templar Secrets
9/2/2016 05:54:13 am

That's because the resurrection was and still is - an Acid Trip.

Templar Secrets
9/2/2016 06:05:50 am

There is no archaeological evidence to back up the existence of a historical Jesus.

Christians pillaged the works of Josephus and their interpolations were eventually sifted except for the stuff that is also found in Eusebius - his stuff was too important and too high profile because of his status in church history to be tampered with. That's why there is not a single fragment of Josephus dating from before the 10th century.

The Slavonic Josephus manuscripts that were later discovered prove that his material was pillaged and tampered with by Christians. The Slavonic Josephus manuscripts contain lots and lots of bogus allegations to non-existent archaeological evidence that nobody anywhere believes in. Biblical scholarship gives it the silent treatment.

causticacrostic
9/2/2016 12:53:49 am

Not only neanderthals, but possibly the Denisovans and Red Deer Cave people as well.

Modern homo sapiens may have coexisted with a few other hominid species, such as homo floresiensis and those mentioned above.

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Kal
9/1/2016 03:23:27 pm

And as a white Christian centrist male, this does not go over well in a somewhat conservative evangelical church. I have still not been booted out for the heresy of suggesting Jesus was not white. They're progressive enough to know that at least.

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Templar Secrets
9/2/2016 05:57:02 am

>>>And as a white Christian centrist male<<<

The theory of Eugenics and Anti-Semitism based upon Eugenics was developed during the 19th century by Roman Catholic intellectuals and aristocrats long before the Nazis.

Hitler merely slotted-in and existing social framework,

Hitler was a product of his society,

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E.P. Grondine
9/5/2016 10:32:33 am

HI TS -

Yes, Hitler fitted into existing social phenomenon.

The "evolution" of Hitler's "thinking" from its start in German theosophy (Thule Society) to the "sciences" of Eugenics and Aryanism really needs to be examined in depth, given the large numbers of people killed.

But the work required for that will be massive, on the level of a doctoral dissertation.


Time Machine
9/2/2016 06:34:59 am

Pseudo-history and Fringe history should be dismantled in a technical and methodical fashion simply by exposing the lack of evidence in a sober fashion.

There is no need to try and destroy imitation history through being a religious inquisitor.

The existence of the inquisitor is founded on imitation history,


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DaveR
9/2/2016 09:50:14 am

Using logic while discussing fringe and pseudo-history with an AA believer is an utter waste of time. They do not use logic, facts, or historical evidence. Even when you point out blatant lies by the AA pundits, you get blank stares. Then you are informed that you've simply been indoctrinated into the so called mainstream educational system and are a non-thinking tool of the ruling elite.

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Time Machine
9/2/2016 10:06:11 am

They know all about logic - they are sceptical about the scientific method and putting things to the critical test to continue getting their fix.

E.P. Grondine
9/5/2016 10:42:27 am

Hi DR -

What usually happens when you corner these folks on any one particular part of their delusional framework is that they move to another part of their delusional framework.

They then return to the initial point as though it stands unrefuted, and repeat it again and again, as though that will make it true.

DaveR
9/8/2016 09:19:04 am

E.P. Grondine,

That has been my experience as well.

Seamus
9/6/2016 12:14:56 am

I had my son convinced we found him in the wreckage of a crashed alien spacecraft. He told everyone this until his kindergarten teacher clued him in. Not sure if he's rh negative.

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Mary
4/5/2017 12:45:36 pm

That sounds psychologically abusive to me. gas-lighting your own son. poor kid. going to have some serious trust issues.

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