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Friday Odds and Ends on Aliens, Atlantis, and More

3/27/2015

31 Comments

 
First off, a bit of business: The comments on blog posts are not working correctly. Most new comments will post correctly, but some replies are not going through. I’m working with my service provider, Weebly, to resolve the issue, but they are having a hard time finding the problem. They’ve escalated it to whatever their higher level of tech support is, and they are busy working on the issue. I hope it will be resolved soon. [Update: With the problem still occurring as of 8:30 PM, I have been in touch with Tech Support yet again, and they are going to try again to resolve it.]
Last evening I received a call from GoDaddy, the company from which I bought my domain name because, frankly, it was cheapest. GoDaddy’s customer service representative wanted to talk to me about a “quarterly review” of my account, which has never happened in the five years I’ve had this domain. He also wanted to ask me if I had the opportunity to make use of my domain name by putting up any content. I asked him whether it wouldn’t have been easier to type my domain into his browser to see if there is content rather than call me to ask. He didn’t have an answer for that, and I hung up.

I also discovered today that I neglected to report the last published ratings for Ancient Aliens, from January 13, when a rerun of the show aired on the History Channel after Curse of Oak Island, unknown to me until I came across a mention of the Nielsen ratings today. That episode attracted 1.537 million viewers, only half of the 3 million who tuned in to Curse. Of them, 400,000 were in the 18-49 demographic. (Yes, 1.1 million of its viewers were 50+.)  This doesn’t really tell us much about Ancient Aliens since it was a rerun, but since H2 doesn’t release ratings information, it’s the only hard number we have for the current season.

On a happier note, my new book Foundations of Atlantis received its first review yesterday, from speculative fiction writer Don D’Ammassa, who said that it was “actually more interesting than I expected it to be.” Good to know expectations are so low! He found some of the pieces to be “rather tedious” to read, but that is less my fault than that of the ancient authors; the pieces were chosen for their importance, not their entertainment value. It is, after all, primarily a reference book. Even I, with my enormous tolerance for boredom, have trouble caring about the endless mystical mumbo-jumbo of the Kore Kosmou. Nevertheless, “it is nice to have them gathered all together in one place,” D’Ammassa said.

To stick with the Atlantis theme, I should let you know that after my piece last week on the media coverage of Mark Adams’s new book Meet Me in Atlantis, the author generously had his publisher provide me with a review copy of the book. Dutton (a division of Penguin Random House—the company that distributes my Cult of Alien Gods internationally on behalf of Prometheus Books) overnighted me a copy, which I have started to read. I’ll be sharing my thoughts after I’ve finished the book.

I do have to thank Adams for his volume having reminded me of something that I had read a long time ago in Stephen Williams’s Fantastic Archaeology, that Ignatius Donnelly had sent a copy of his Atlantis: The Antediluvian World (1882) to Charles Darwin, who replied unhelpfully that he was skeptical of Donnelly’s thesis. I had wondered at the time why no one quoted the letter in full, and its excerpt in Adams’s book revived my curiosity, so I tried to find out. It turns out that Darwin’s handwriting is so awful that no one can quote the whole letter because so many words are illegible! Here’s a copy of the letter as published by the Minnesota Historical Society, along with my best guess at a transcription, as amended by the thoughtful comments in the comments section below.
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March 2d, 1882

Dear Sir

I am much obliged to you for your kindness in having sent me a copy of your “Atlantis.”

I shall read the book with interest, though I must confess in a very sceptical spirit. —

Dear Sir

Yours faithfully

Charles Darwin
Contrast this with the response Donnelly received a few days later from the British Prime Minister, William Gladstone, himself a believer in some rather strange ideas about prehistory, particularly as it concerned the Homeric question—he believed Greek mythology to be a corruption of the Bible, for one thing.
10 Downing St., Whitehall, March 11, 1882.

Dear Sir,—I thank you very much for your Atlantis, a copy of which you have been so kind as to present to me. Though I may not be able to accept all your propositions, but I am much disposed to believe in an Atlantis, and I think I can supply you with another case in which traditions have come down into the historic age from periods of time lying far away in the background of preceding ages.

Homer unquestionably (I do not fear to say) believed in a sea-exit from the northern Adriatic, and imagined the north of Europe to be an expanse of water. And this, geology, I believe, assures us that it was, but not within what we have heretofore received as the limit of the memory of man.

Three or four years ago the Duke of Argyle was at Venice, and saw on a fish-stall a fish which he was familiar with on the west coast of Scotland, but which is unknown in the Mediterranean generally. And on further examination he found that that corner of the Adriatic corresponded as to local fish with the Atlantic. This is a curious and perhaps a significant fact.

I am, dear sir, your very faithful and obedient

W. E. Gladstone.

Ignatius Donnelly, Esq., U. S. A.
It’s hard to imagine a major world leader, let alone the head of government for the most far-flung empire on earth, confessing to a belief in Atlantis today, though I’m sure it’s happened. The president of Turkey, after all, asserted his belief that medieval Muslims built a mosque in pre-Columbian Cuba.

The Prime Minister’s letter was used in Donnelly’s marketing materials and reprinted in Harper’s Weekly and Harper’s Bazaar, a celebrity endorsement for the ages. Did I mention that his book had been published by Harper Brothers, the owners of those magazines? No? Well, it was totally a coincidence, I’m sure.
31 Comments
Clay
3/27/2015 08:24:30 am

Dear Sir,
I am much obliged for your kindness in having sent me a copy of your "Atlantis." I shall read the book with interest, though I must confess in a very sceptical spirit. -
Dear sir,
Yours faithfully,
Charles Darwin

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Alaric
3/27/2015 10:00:02 am

I can't see that word as "obliged", no matter how hard I try.

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Jason Colavito link
3/27/2015 11:24:39 pm

I think part of the "o" is missing from the photograph (taken from a scan of a print made from microfilm). Judging from Darwin's other letters, "I am much obliged..." is his standard opening line. Here's one from the same year that should show the similarity: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Charles_Darwin,_letter_to_Emil_Holub.JPG

Cathleen Anderson
3/27/2015 05:29:32 pm

Ooh. Good catch Honey.

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Jason Colavito link
3/28/2015 06:13:31 am

Weebly ate my last reply regarding the word "obliged" so I'll try again. I think part of the "o" is missing from the photograph (taken from a scan of a print made from microfilm). Judging from Darwin's other letters, "I am much obliged..." is his standard opening line. Here's one from the same year that should show the similarity: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Charles_Darwin,_letter_to_Emil_Holub.JPG

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Alaric
3/28/2015 08:24:00 am

just to clarify- I wasn't trying to say that I don't think the word is "obliged"- it's the only the word I can think of that makes sense- just that I can't see it as that word.

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EP
3/27/2015 08:27:36 am

"It’s hard to imagine a major world leader, let alone the head of government for the most far-flung empire on earth, confessing to a belief in Atlantis today, though I’m sure it’s happened. The president of Turkey, after all, asserted his belief that medieval Muslims built a mosque in pre-Columbian Cuba."

And the Chinese PM has recently endorsed some fringe pre-Columbian Chinese exploration theories during a speech in Australia.

Can't really think of any world leaders other than Gladstone who are on record as endorsing Atlantis specifically. I suspect Woodrow Wilson was a believer, as was Hitler. It has been widespread enough among upper-class Europeans from around 1880s that there could well have been others... (Reagan? Blair?)

Does L. Sprague de Camp list any in his Lost Continents, perchance?

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Shane Sullivan
3/27/2015 08:42:58 am

I don't remember reading anything about world leaders in Lost Continents, but it's been a while since I read it.

Of course, if you've seen any conspiracy show ever, you know that Jimmy Carter totally has the inside scoop on aliens!

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Shane Sullivan
3/27/2015 08:40:35 am

Here's what I came up with before I read your transcription:

"Dear Jim
I am mack chin Mital to jim from
your vurm theor in hurry under
no a copy of your "atlantis".
I have we in from will internally
ftungy I must erfor in a
run suriptictu svirits.

Loving jim
Im forever tilly
Chanta Divwin"

I...don't think I'll be much help here.

I look forward to your book review, though. I always enjoy them, and wacky Atlantis theories are a hoot for me.

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EP
3/27/2015 09:23:44 am

This is the greatest transcription of anything ever and I refuse to accept another one as accurate! :D

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Alaric
3/27/2015 09:56:03 am

That last comment was intended for Shane Sullivan, not EP. Although EP contributed.

Alaric
3/27/2015 09:50:08 am

It's been a long, long time since I last laughed so hard it hurt. If I die from internal injuries, it's on your head.

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Alaric
3/27/2015 09:57:09 am

My previous comment was intended for Shane Sullivan, not EP. Although EP contributed.

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Shane Sullivan
3/27/2015 11:50:26 am

Alaric, "I have we in from will internally" was a warning! I couldn't have been clearer! =P

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Hypatia
3/27/2015 12:44:44 pm

Proofs that Chanta's ancestors did not have opposable thumbs, and that our 21st century visual cortex is devolving from its giant beginnings.

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Hypatia
3/27/2015 02:21:05 pm

..i.e., we all descend from giant reptiles with huge slanted eyes.

@Clint -- Reply to Shane's original top comment again ...

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Hypatia
3/27/2015 05:01:45 pm

So, judging the rate of thumb evolution in order to write legibly and visual cortex processing devolution incapacitating us to read handwriting, from the nineteenth century to the present, I guesstimate that in 6,666 B.C.E. we were giant reptiles with big eye sockets.

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Clint Knapp
3/27/2015 11:52:07 am

I mentioned it earlier today in yesterday's article, but it might bear repeating in more clear language:

The comment issue is one of nesting the replies properly. A comment posted at top-level (the article's default Leave a Reply section) will work just fine, and so will the reply button to the initial comment. Any reply button after that, however, will either delete the comment or just not give a reply box.

The comments themselves are nesting, seemingly infinitely, as though they're issued in reply to the comment that came before it chronologically. As long as you use the first Reply button in a comment chain it'll go through, but it'll display as though you responded to the last reply in the thread.

Hope that helps the Weebly folks.

The GoDaddy call almost sounds like someone went fishing to try and troll your domain name away and put in a request with the provider. I assume you're all paid up for the domain, though, so they couldn't do anything without checking first.

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Hypatia
3/27/2015 12:52:40 pm

...@Clint Reply button to Shane's initial comment did not thread my comment in the tree, but bubbled it up to the top and inserted it before your top comment...

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Clint Knapp
3/27/2015 01:26:41 pm

Maybe it hit a nesting limit and decided yours was a new comment thread entirely. I guess we'll see how "fixed" it all is soon enough.

Clint Knapp
3/27/2015 01:29:37 pm

Well, I just tried replying to Hypatia and it didn't go through. So it's not fixed at all.

Hypatia, I'd guess Shane's thread hit a nesting limit and it decided that your reply was a new thread entirely, or just displays as such and still acts like a reply to Shane; leading to it appearing before my thread.

Either way; Weebly is broken as hell.

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EP
3/27/2015 01:22:22 pm

I have we in from will internally Weebly sucks!

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Hypatia
3/28/2015 12:01:35 am

Thank you, sweetie pie. Easy. I just had to discard other blatant geological, biological and historical evidence contradicting my pet theory of giant reptilian aliens, like everybody else mentioned in Jason's book.

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Matt Mc
3/28/2015 01:46:21 am

Have you seen the new Ancient Aliens promo on History?
they are promoting Giorgio's hair more than aliens

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Paul S.
3/28/2015 03:43:36 am

This is good evidence that terrible handwriting existed even in the days before computers and typewriters. If you work with 19th century documents, you'll find that plenty of people in that era had barely legible handwriting.

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Hypatia
3/28/2015 04:17:20 am

My point exactly. Moreover I think we have lost the practice to decipher bad handwriting since all we read is typed.

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Alaric
3/28/2015 04:01:49 am

It's obvious that the Smithsonian has been suppressing the truth about Darwin's horrible handwriting since, if it were ever revealed, it would (somehow) completely disprove the who idea of Evolution, which would (somehow) prove the literal truth of every word of the Bible. Or maybe Darwin was writing in some secret Masonic code.

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mhe
3/28/2015 05:02:55 am

Indian PM Narendra Modi could be added to the list of world leaders with unusual ideas about history. He has endorsed some of the Hindu nationalist claims of ancient Indian discoveries of modern technology such as airplanes and genetic engineering.

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EP
3/28/2015 06:09:28 am

You're quite right, of course. Not sure why I left him out.

Still, he's not (to the best of my knowledge) an Atlantis believer. I am quite curious which world leaders *were*, actually.

Will look into it as soon as I have access to my scholarly tools...

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EP
3/28/2015 06:12:20 am

Is it just me, or are people being unusually lovey-dovey in this thread? Is it a side-effect of Weebly being borked, or is the Age of Aquarius finally upon us? :)

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Hypatia
3/28/2015 04:13:19 pm

Weebily mushy software mix-ups.

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