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Friday Roundup: "Hunting Hitler" Star Blames Shootings on Feminization; Plus: Jimmy Church Comes Out Against To the Stars

8/9/2019

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​Former U.S. military sniper Tim Kennedy appeared on Fox & Friends this week to make the case that mass shootings by right-leaning white males are not the result of political ideology, mental illness, or easy access to guns but are instead the result of the feminization of American society at the hands of a culture hell-bent on criminalizing masculinity. Kennedy said that “you have to let boys be boys” while wearing a flamboyant pink tie and flowery shirt. He suggested that ADHD medication feminizes boys, and he lauded past eras where insulting the sitting president would result in a violent confrontation to protect the honor of the delicate flower in the White House. I mention this because Kennedy is probably best known to my readers as one of the hosts of Hunting Hitler, the show that furthered a conspiracy that Hitler survived World War II and which identified a photograph of Moe Howard from the Three Stooges as an aging Adolf Hitler. 

On Fox & Friends, a former UFC fighter & military sniper says mass shootings happen because "there's not enough masculinity" in America, and we're "stunting" boys' ability to protect the rest of us by telling them to avoid danger & take ADHD meds: "You have to let boys be boys." pic.twitter.com/CEsDAOjZHx

— Bobby Lewis (@revrrlewis) August 8, 2019
​It is no surprise that a History Channel host would have extreme views about masculinity, or that he would lean to the far right. In 2015, he told the media that he planned to make fringe history his permanent career. It turns out that being a rightwing shill pays better. Kennedy is a regular fixture on Fox News, where his major talking point is fear of Islam and ISIS. He is only one example of the close connection between rightwing politics and fringe/occult media. Personalities from other History Channel shows deliver rightwing political commentary, appear on evangelical broadcasts, and eagerly conflate right-leaning conspiracy theories with (small-c) conservative politics.
 
Nevertheless, Kennedy’s appearance on Fox News couldn’t have been more apropos considering the observations I made yesterday about the Travel Channel’s new series Code of the Wild, which similarly takes a hypermasculine approach to history, sending two ignorant outdoorsmen in search of mysteries. I have noted many times that cable pseudo-documentaries are thinly veiled paeans to an imaginary masculine ideal, one reflective not of real men of the past but of the Victorian and pulp fiction adventurer-heroes who became literary and cinematic archetypes.
 
This drive to create the image of the hypermasculine hero-adventurer leads down ridiculous paths. We have seen on shows as diverse as America’s Lost Vikings, America Unearthed, and Code of the Wild men acting ridiculous while trying to pretend for the cameras that they are on dangerous adventures to all of the uncharted territories you can reach with a full film crew in tow. In the most recent of these shows, the Discovery Channel’s new UFO-hunting series Contact, fantasy novel author Myke Coe is promoted in TV fantasy from novelist (how effeminate!) to “a 15-year intelligence veteran with the FBI, CIA, and DIA” and his Discovery Channel bio implies, falsely, that he led the team that killed Osama Bin Laden. He is, in reality, a Coast Guard reservist who served as a security contractor. In a biography published when he first launched his TV career on a CBS game show, it is much clearer that he was a security contractor for the CIA and worked briefly in intelligence analysis for the DIA and the Office of Naval Intelligence before becoming a consultant to the NYPD. He mostly does IT work focusing on cybersecurity. He was not in charge of Seal Team Six, and as best I can tell wasn’t working for the ONI at the time of Bin Laden’s death. Discovery, though, isn’t content to deal in reality, so they had to inflate him into a superhuman intelligence machine. Coe apologized last year for sexually harassing women and promised to work to make literature a “safe space” for women. Somehow that didn’t make it into his credentials for hunting flying saucers. Incidentally, Cole describes himself on his own website as a “TV personality” before anything else. Oh, well. I guess that’s good enough to count as an “expert” on flying saucers.
 
Contact, however, is an odd show. It’s close to a carbon copy of History’s Unidentified, the show they produced with To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. Both shows claim to investigate the U.S. government’s various efforts to study UFOs, with the unproved assumption that there is something sinister in the skies. In the Discovery show, the focus is on CIA software (Cole’s specialty) and declassified government reports, while Unidentified fetishizes government interest in UFOs as proof of the reality of the “phenomenon.” A far cry from the previous generation’s distrust of government, we have entered a phase where ufology is looking toward the government as the way, the light, and the truth.
 
Late last month, UFO researcher John Greenwald appeared on Jimmy Church’s radio show, and the two men discussed To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. During the discussion, Church explained that he was deeply suspicious of TTSA and believes that it is a front from the CIA, whom he accuses of using psy-ops on the America public and treating TTSA founder Tom DeLonge as a patsy. According to a transcript published on the UFO Joe website, Church explained his reasoning this way:
Now, I’m not going to disclose anything private that was discussed between TTSA and myself over the years. I won’t do it. That’s not cool. But I will say this: I have had many, many conversations with top members of this community. And they’ve all told me the same things when it comes to TTSA. That TTSA loves me. Not me, Jimmy. I’m talking about the researchers, the authors. That they love them. They respect their work. They know how professional they are in that the community listens to them because they know that they can trust them. You know, and I’ve heard this so many times now, it’s almost scripted, word for word. This is what scares me the most. And it just seems…it just seems that there is an actual CIA counter-intel, DoD machine up and running for real. This isn’t some Tom Clancy, Clive Cussler spy novel fiction, for fun. This is reality.
​He ended up ranting about how TTSA is engaging in mind control, and, honestly, it was a little paranoid.
 
I think Church has it backward. It’s less that the CIA is secretly running TTSA—for what purpose?—than it is the fact that the intelligence and defense communities have dozens of UFO true believers, and have had them since the 1970s. These men have migrated to TTSA as a retirement plan.
 
To his credit, Church seems to understand this, picking up on many of the same financial points about TTSA’s lack of demonstrable output except for media products shoveling money into executive salaries. He then adds this:
We’re gonna give you 50,000 shares, we’re gonna give you 20,000 shares, we’re gonna give you 100,000…a half a million shares…a million shares, you know? And those shares are worth 10 cents each right now, but what if they go up to $1? What if they go to $2? What if they go to $10 and that’s the appeal to somebody out there that has been in this community or a government employee, making $50,000 a year, $60,000 a year. And suddenly, you know, you’re retired and you’re sitting on, you know, a half a million shares of stock in a company that is going to double, triple…which is nothing. It’s nothing to go from 10 cents to 50 cents. But, if you think about it, 50 cents a share. $1 a share…but you’re sitting on something that had an initial value of nothing at the stock offering? And then you’ve got stock options in the future. That to somebody is a way to come in and go, “Yeah, I’ll be a part of this action.” Because they’re already in the in the circle. They’re in the group. They come from counterintelligence, they come from the CIA, they come from the Department of Defense, with those government salaries. And suddenly, they’re in the private sector getting offered, you know, this kind of incentive and bonuses. Money they’ve never seen before.
​And heaven help me, but I agreed with Church a second time near the end of the show when he explained that his sources confirm what I had independently concluded from the historical record, that the so-called “metamaterials” are completely terrestrial. My reading of the literature suggests that they are simply industrial waste. He is Church blasting Hal Puthoff and To the Stars for either intentional deception or self-delusion:
I wanted to get back to a point about the metamaterials now. Now, I had a very long conversation top, top, top, top, top, top, researcher. Top, top of the heap. And he said to me, he said, “Jimmy, I was in possession of those metamaterials. I had them for a couple of years. I had them completely tested at multiple laboratories. They are 100% terrestrial. And I told TTSA this. I gave TTSA all of my laboratory results. They don’t wanna listen. And they just wanna go on with this story…that it is…uh, you know, that it’s ET. It is not.” And, and that’s it. I took that as gospel. I just backed up and went okay and you know, TTSA is gonna run with this and sensationalize it and and make it part of their “Unidentified” show and and and I get that. It’s like a Bigfoot show. You know the ending of Bigfoot, right? You know the ending of the show, and with these metamaterials, it’s going to be the same thing. It’s gonna be ongoing. The tests are inconclusive, but, but there’s this and this. And and that’s, that’s the way it’s gonna run. It’s a TV show. And I get that. But I’m telling you what I was told.
A large portion of the discussion revolved around the, well, revolving door between government and the media, in which both the government and the media try to screw the average American out of money to fund a neverending search into nothing, with the promise of dramatic revelations after the next election or the next commercial break. Church and Greenwald singled out A+E Networks, the parent of the History Channel, for particularly unethical behavior. Both have worked with A+E in the past, and it seems that some fringe folks are finally turning on the UFO-industrial complex now that the pork is larding competing ufologists’ false claims.
129 Comments
Joe Scales
8/9/2019 10:14:44 am

"Former U.S. military sniper Tim Kennedy appeared on Fox & Friends this week to make the case that mass shootings by right-leaning white males are not the result of political ideology, mental illness, or easy access to guns but are instead the result of the feminization of American society at the hands of a culture hell-bent on criminalizing masculinity."

Mass shootings by right-leaning white males? So he was only talking about shootings by right-leaning males? What about the other mass shootings? By non-right-leaning males? I mean... did Kennedy really limit his theory to only those shootings by "right-leaning males"? Or are you being intellectually dishonest by generalizing that all of these shootings are done by "right-leaning males" when you know this not to be the case?

Politics makes you sloppy Jason.

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Accumulated wisdom
8/9/2019 01:10:39 pm

Jason used the euphemism “right leaning white males” so as not to offend your delicate conservative snowflake feelings, but you went ahead and cried and complained anyway. He should have called them what they are: racist, violent, jingoistic, white male xenophobes. I hope that helps clear up the matter.

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Charles Rector link
8/20/2019 02:39:52 pm

Jason is just another intolerant Politically Correct type and this Wisdom guy is the same thing.

An Anonymous Nerd
8/9/2019 09:37:56 pm

No, he's on pretty safe ground. Not like he said all mass-shooters had that ideology and acted on it in their shootings. And when the shooter is not one of their people, Fox News sure seems to play up, instead of play down, the ideological component. (For example whenever it's a Liberal or an Islamist.)

I notice that you accuse our host of being "sloppy," or some such, whenever something he says contrasts with your ideology, or your adoration of the world's most-famous reality television star.

Oh well.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Joe Scales
8/10/2019 10:34:55 am

"I notice that you accuse our host of being "sloppy," or some such, whenever something he says contrasts with your ideology, or your adoration of the world's most-famous reality television star."

No, you imbecile. I call him out for being sloppy when his personal politics skew his perspective. A debunker should strive to be free of such biases.

Simply put, I expect more from Jason. From you however, I can only expect ignorant pretention, facile interpretation and pure partisan regurgitation from a mind powered by Google. In that, you never fail.

Rainbow unicorn
8/10/2019 11:15:36 am

Speaking of failure, I think you might have meant “pretension.”

Joe Scales
8/10/2019 12:19:30 pm

You are correct. In fact, in the past I've referred to him as the "Anonymous Pretension". Thanks for catching that typo. Now if that's all you got, begone jackass.

Jim
8/10/2019 01:10:54 pm

" I call him out for being sloppy when his personal politics skew his perspective."

It was Fox & Friends lol, I'm pretty sure they were indeed looking to make excuses for right-leaning white males, you know in support of Stumpy.
If this was on a unbiased show you might have a case but it was on Fox & Friends, Jason was right on.

An Anonymous Nerd
8/10/2019 03:00:30 pm

Conservatives sure are great with insults. Sadly in the current climate (curiously dominated by Conservatives and their allies on the Fringe), that's usually enough.

Oh well.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Joe Scales
8/10/2019 10:52:09 pm

"It was Fox & Friends lol..."

Which has nothing to do with Jason's intellectually dishonest, politically motivated paraphrasing. Think ya missed the point Jim. Politics will do that though. Make ya sloppy.

Jim
8/11/2019 12:14:03 am

" So he was only talking about shootings by right-leaning males? "

Did you watch the complete segment ? It was made clear near the end that the point of the interview was to shift the blame from Stumpy, We have Fox and friend, both huge supporters of Stumpy folding their excuses for these shooters into a Trump lovefest finale. Seriously the man ignores racism and white supremacy in favor of blaming ADHD medication for the murders ! Worries that we won't make it to Mars if people keep taking medication. smfh
So who do you think he was talking about ?
That was pure scripted propaganda.
An Anonymous Nerd has a link to the full segment at the bottom of the comments if you care to partake.


Kent
8/11/2019 01:19:29 am

Regardless of anything Trump may have said, rather than ADHD medication there is a correlation (not causation, I know) between SSRIs and objectionable (i.e. non-Chicago) mass shootings.

Jim
8/11/2019 02:22:55 am

Has Trump said anything about ADHD medication ?
I am not quite sure where ADHD medication even comes into this, I think Tim Kennedy is just loopy, or he read somewhere that the El Paso shooter's father used to be a drug addict and took ADHD medication when he could score it. Maybe Kennedy confused father with son ?
Anyway, according to Kennedy the Allies would never have won world war II if our troops landing on D day were taking ADHD medication,,,,,,,so there's that,,,,, I guess,,,,,,

Joe Scales
8/11/2019 08:35:59 am

Jim...
Your political blinders have you completely missing the point in regard to what I wrote. Take 'em off... if you can... and try again. But please, no more bullshit politics. (SPOILER ALERT: Which is really the point.).

Jim
8/11/2019 11:02:08 am

My political blinders ??? Look to yourself.
What exactly do you think the idea of this false flag interview was about ?
In the interview where they look for the reasons for these shootings did they even mention the shooter stated he went to El Paso specifically to "kill Mexicans" ? He calls it toxic masculinity instead and scoffs at the idea that it could be caused by racism or white supremacy saying that is pure ignorance and just someone who can't form a reasonable argument and who has to resort to name calling. You can't make this shit up ! Seriously,,, racism and white supremacy aren't really happening anymore, it's all just petty name calling ?
What kind of show brings in as an expert witness an MMA fighter turned fringe history gun for hire mercenary to discus the mental state of these shooters ? WTF
That whole thing was intended as a giant red herring from the get go, to give some bizarre excuses for it not being Trump inspired racism. Seriously what the hell was the whole ADHD medication thing about ?
When it cones to making up asinine and completely made up BS, Scott Wolter's got nothing over these guys
As the interview ends I will give you three guesses as to who comes off as completely blameless ?

Jim
8/11/2019 11:40:58 am

Just so you know I am not missing the point:

Jason:

"Former U.S. military sniper Tim Kennedy appeared on Fox & Friends this week to make the case that mass shootings by right-leaning white males are not the result of political ideology, mental illness, or easy access to guns"

Joe:

"Mass shootings by right-leaning white males? So he was only talking about shootings by right-leaning males? What about the other mass shootings? By non-right-leaning males? I mean... did Kennedy really limit his theory to only those shootings by "right-leaning males"? Or are you being intellectually dishonest by generalizing that all of these shootings are done by "right-leaning males" when you know this not to be the case?

Where exactly did Jason generalize all shootings were done by right-leaning males ? He said "make the case that mass shootings by right-leaning white males" he specifically referred the cases involving only right-leaning white males.

In referring to Kennedy "So he was only talking about shootings by right-leaning males?"

Uh yeah, hence the argument about "name calling" them white supremacists and racists.

I think you are missing the point here Joe, but politics will make you sloppy.

Joe Scales
8/11/2019 10:19:04 pm

Jim, the only thing you're convincing me of here is that perhaps you're better off scuffling with Wolter. I mean, I think you finally started to get the picture with that last one, but had already posted your meandering diatribes which had nothing to do with any point I was making. Partisan politics will do that to ya. Best avoided in my view.

Jim
8/12/2019 12:16:14 am

Sorry Joe but you are dead wrong.
Had you, two and a half years ago named any US president or politician, living or dead, and asked me what party he/she belonged to, the answer would have been, don't know, don't care.
I don't care who wins in 2020 as long as it isn't Stumpy.
Bill Weld, Joe Biden, Pete Oddlastnameguy, Emmylou Harris Kamala Harris, I just don't care.
Trump is quite possibly the most dangerous man to ever walk the planet and at this point I am fearful of sharing our long border with the US. The ever increasing production of your meager oil reserves is is cause for alarm.

Kent
8/12/2019 10:05:18 am

"Had you, two and a half years ago named any US president or politician, living or dead, and asked me what party he/she belonged to, the answer would have been, don't know, don't care"

Can you see why that sounds like a lie?

Joe Scales
8/12/2019 11:50:12 am

"Trump is quite possibly the most dangerous man to ever walk the planet..."

Which is pure partisan fervor whether you care to recognize it within yourself or not.

Going on another track here Jim, because I think we both realize at this point that it was the Anonymous Pretension's initial willful ignorance that sent you down the wrong path here. But let me tell you why folks go into national politics generally. To get rich Jim. To get rich. Trump's already got his money, so he can't be controlled; for good or bad. Make of that what you will, but it's the underlying motivation for the Resistance; who are oblivious to that which truly manipulates them.

Don't be manipulated Jim. You're better than that.

Jim
8/12/2019 12:36:19 pm

"Can you see why that sounds like a lie?"

Why, I am not American, do you think the US is the center of the Universe ?

Kent
8/12/2019 12:58:14 pm

No, that would be Delphi. I know Boris Johnson is and Margaret Thatcher was a Tory and Tony Blair was Labour. I know that Hitler was in the NSDAP. And Netanyahu is Likud. It can be done. I'd be LYING if I said I didn't know these things. It would take more effort NOT to know them. If you didn't know that Reagan was a Republican and Obama was a Democrat then you are the John Henry of Not Knowing Things.

Jim
8/12/2019 01:26:34 pm

""Trump is quite possibly the most dangerous man to ever walk the planet..."

"Which is pure partisan fervor whether you care to recognize it within yourself or not."

Not.

par·ti·san 1. a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person.

Holy moly man, wake up,
You have a egotistical, fascist, racist, immature, ignorant loose cannon running the most powerful economy and military by far in the world.
The senate has fallen to him, the judicial system is under siege and losing, he has gone a long way to controlling all law enforcement, his brownshirts have already begun rounding up people and putting them in concentration camps, children are being tortured for Pete's sake !
His propaganda machine is trying to tell us that race related violence is because of ADHD medication, lol.
He has already said he may not leave when his time is up.
Can you spell dictator for life ?

Now you claim I am what ? A Democrat ? Jesus Christ man, I am Canadian.
Joe, you cannot see beyond your own partisan fervor and are projecting it onto me.

For my part this is the end of this particular conversation.

"Fascism is a form of government which is a type of one-party dictatorship. Fascists are against democracy. ... Fascism puts nation and often race above the individual. It stands for a centralized government headed by a dictator. Historically, fascist governments tend to be militaristic, and racist."

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Jim
8/12/2019 01:49:23 pm

Kent:

So you are calling me a liar ?

Because you know crap like Hitler was in the NSDAP. And Netanyahu is Likud ?

Get stuffed.

Kent
8/12/2019 02:27:20 pm

Wasn't that clear? BTW, what does "get stuffed" mean? Is it a Canadian expression?

Jim
8/12/2019 02:46:42 pm

You know you have won when Kent goes into troll mode.

Joe Scales
8/12/2019 03:03:42 pm

"You have a egotistical, fascist, racist, immature, ignorant loose cannon running the most powerful economy and military by far in the world. The senate has fallen to him, the judicial system is under siege and losing, he has gone a long way to controlling all law enforcement, his brownshirts have already begun rounding up people and putting them in concentration camps, children are being tortured for Pete's sake ! "

So, doubling down on the partisan fervor. You think that's going to do anything other than make you look like an ignoramus? Well, not to the others blinded by their own zeal; and you've got good company here.

Again, can't you see that it's the bullshit politics above that I'd have you avoid? Of course you can't. You think you're good. You're moral. And you painted your political opposition accordingly. Evil. That's bullshit politics in a nutshell right there Jim. Now you can do anything to fight them. Say anything to fight them. It doesn't matter how crazed, how speculative and how inaccurate. You're on the side of good. Well Jim, everyone thinks they're on the side of good. That's how we kill each other.

You're off the rails Jim. And yeah, though I've always found you a bit slow... now you get the imbecile moniker. You earned it Jim. You imbecile.

Jim
8/12/2019 04:54:18 pm

Well I know I said I was done, but what the heck, it's Sunday.

" And yeah, though I've always found you a bit slow... now you get the imbecile moniker. You earned it Jim."

No comment, speaks for itself.

"So, doubling down on the partisan fervor"

Partisan, I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Being anti-Trump us not being partisan. Again:

par·ti·san 1. a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person.

"You think that's going to do anything other than make you look like an ignoramus? "

No comment, speaks for itself.

" Well, not to the others blinded by their own zeal; and you've got good company here."

No comment, speaks for itself.

"Again, can't you see that it's the bullshit politics above that I'd have you avoid? Of course you can't."

Be like Joe, you will be assimilated.

"You think you're good. You're moral."

Yes, I try.

" And you painted your political opposition accordingly. Evil."

Actually, personally, I kinda like Mr Trudeau. He is doing a passable job and may yet win me over.

"That's bullshit politics in a nutshell right there Jim."

Ummm,,,

" Now you can do anything to fight them."

Well, not anything, but if I can help to get rid of trump I am willing.
Who are them ?

"Say anything to fight them."

Well, not anything, but if I can help to get rid of trump I am willing.
Who are them ?

" It doesn't matter how crazed, how speculative and how inaccurate."

Ten thousand lies and counting, Bill Clinton killed Epstein.
Putin said he didn't do it. Mohammed bin Salman didn't have anything to do with it. Muslims were dancing in the streets. They are colored, therefore guilty, death penalty all round.
How much time you got Joe,,,,,I could go on for hours.

"You're on the side of good."

Thank you.

" Well Jim, everyone thinks they're on the side of good."

Um no.

"That's how we kill each other."

Tell it to Mother Teresa.

"You're off the rails Jim."

I quit my job with the railroad 40 years ago, not a big revelation there Joe.

" You imbecile"

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
(Socrates)

Joe Scales
8/12/2019 06:48:26 pm

Jim, you imbecile, there was never a debate to begin with. My point flew right over your head due to your partisan fervor. And when you finally did see it, and back-peddled incoherently, it was already too late. Your own intellectual dishonesty was in full bloom. And yeah... look at your own definition of partisan, you imbecile. You want me to rub your nose in it? Can you not read?

Nah, rather than risk more wasted bandwidth coming from your end thinking I wish to argue bullshit politics with the likes of you, I'll just give you a clue so you can (hopefully) figure it out on your own. See the word "cause" Jim. You imbecile.

Now go back to pestering Wolter and waiting day and night hoping he responds. Or you can nip at my ankles like the other imbeciles here; now that you're definitely one of them.

Joe Scales
8/12/2019 07:00:57 pm

Oh, and one more thing... it's Monday Jim. You imbecile.

Jim
8/12/2019 10:28:01 pm

"Jim, you imbecile"

"Name calling propaganda occurs when complementary or pejorative words are used by governments, individuals, or the media to describe another person or group. The purpose is to subliminally manipulate or influence public opinion in order to generate conformity with the opinions of those producing the propaganda."

https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Name-Calling-Propaganda-Terrorist-or-Freedom-Fighter

" there was never a debate to begin with"

And yet here you are arguing your case.

"My point flew right over your head due to your partisan fervor."

Fox Host: ,,Labeling a president or people a racist, white supremacist, um nationalist, where we going with these terms ?

Tim Kennedy:,, Bah, ignorance, thats what it is, if somebody that is unable to form an argument and put into words how they disagree with somebody, instead the easy solution is to name call.

Bwahaha, oh the irony lol.
So, like, who is it you think they were making excuses for ?

" And when you finally did see it, and back-peddled incoherently"

See what ? That they didn't use exactly the same words as Jason ? Again, who do you think they were making excuses for ?
Some of us don't need a weather man to tell us which way the wind blows.

" it was already too late."

Too late for what ? Hello, I'm still here.

" Your own intellectual dishonesty was in full bloom."

It was ?

"And yeah... look at your own definition of partisan,"

par·ti·san 1. a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person.

There ya go, Bill Weld for President, rah, rah, rah.

"you imbecile"

Put a quarter on your tone arm, your record is skipping.

" You want me to rub your nose in it?"

Like this ?

"So, doubling down on the partisan fervor. You think that's going to do anything other than make you look like an ignoramus? Well, not to the others blinded by their own zeal; and you've got good company here.
Again, can't you see that it's the bullshit politics above that I'd have you avoid? Of course you can't. You think you're good. You're moral. And you painted your political opposition accordingly. Evil. That's bullshit politics in a nutshell right there Jim. Now you can do anything to fight them. Say anything to fight them. It doesn't matter how crazed, how speculative and how inaccurate. You're on the side of good. Well Jim, everyone thinks they're on the side of good. That's how we kill each other."

Lol, WTF was that, was that rubbing my nose in it ? Sounded like gibberish to me. Some rant though.

" Can you not read? "

We are on a comment section, are you deaf ?

"Nah, rather than risk more wasted bandwidth coming from your end thinking I wish to argue bullshit politics with the likes of you, I'll just give you a clue so you can (hopefully) figure it out on your own. See the word "cause" Jim."

See ya in a couple hours.

" You imbecile"

O.K. maybe put another quarter on the tone arm, or get a Canadian toonie.

"Now go back to pestering Wolter and waiting day and night hoping he responds."

Meh, you are easier and more fun. Since you don't actually make any points, I don't have to google anything.

" Or you can nip at my ankles like the other imbeciles here; now that you're definitely one of them."

You are glorious, well, except for those teeny ankles.

Toodaloo ☺

Joe Scales
8/13/2019 10:07:40 am

Jim, you imbecile, my plea has always been to avoid the political buffoonery that you've been steadily engaged in since you first stupidly misinterpreted my post. As you continue to do so, arguing the merits of a Fox & Friends segment; which being irrelevant to any point, is your intellectual dishonesty. Well, that is when I suspected you had an intellect to begin with. No. You're a lonely old man, eh? Lot of time on your hands. You didn't even know what day it was. What day it was Jim. Well imbecile, dissect away. You got plenty of time.

You'll never be funnier. You'll never be more clever. Now be a good imbecile and have another go at it.

Jim
8/13/2019 12:10:55 pm

Top of the morning to you Joe.
Are you rubbing my nose in it this time, or are you not wasting bandwidth arguing with me ?

"Jim, you imbecile"

Keeping it classy as always I see.

"my plea has always been to avoid the political buffoonery that you've been steadily engaged in"

As in the very first post in the comments section where you start with your own "political buffoonery"?
Or your second post ? "No, you imbecile. I call him out for being sloppy when his personal politics skew his perspective."
Or your fourth post ? "Which has nothing to do with Jason's intellectually dishonest, politically motivated paraphrasing. "
I guess you can engage in calling out someone politically but no one else is allowed to mention politics because it becomes a lose/lose for Joe, because,,,,, Trump, hahahahaha, go ahead and point out the good points, hahaha

" since you first stupidly misinterpreted my post."

From your first post:

" Or are you being intellectually dishonest by generalizing that all of these shootings are done by "right-leaning males" when you know this not to be the case?"

Except Jason didn't generalize that all of these shootings are done by right-leaning males. You made that up.
Which of course means that you are, in fact the one who is being intellectually dishonest.

I really thought you were smarter than this. To go on and on and on some more, arguing about such an petty and obvious falsehood you made up. Yikes

"As you continue to do so, arguing the merits of a Fox & Friends segment; which being irrelevant to any point, is your intellectual dishonesty."

Whose intellectual dishonesty ? You are the one accusing Jason of crap that you made up.

" Well, that is when I suspected you had an intellect to begin with."

You do understand that you are the one looking like a fool here, don't you ?

" You're a lonely old man, eh? "

Getting up there a bit, not too lonely though,,,, you ? (I only ask because you seem to project a lot)

" Lot of time on your hands."

Yup, free as a bird.

"You didn't even know what day it was. What day it was Jim."

I heard you twice the first time. Yup, I am a dotard, eating your lunch.

"You'll never be funnier."

Thank you.

"You'll never be more clever."

Thank you, and may I say, you will never be younger than you are right now.

" Now be a good imbecile and have another go at it."

Done.

Kent
8/13/2019 07:32:06 pm

Tiresome.

Joe Scales
8/13/2019 09:07:04 pm

Jim, you imbecile... the segment was framed within the context of two recent mass shootings; one of which wasn't perpetrated by a right wing white male. So I suppose you figure the whole ADHD discussion was in regard to only one of them. Stupid ass.

Jason was once again interjecting partisan talking points into his blog posts. His prerogative, no doubt, but discrediting nonetheless. But I'll call him out on it, and you'll remind blind to it; you being an imbecile partisan.

As for all the rest, I was giving ya pearls Jim. Unfortunately age did not bring wisdom in your case. Though you say you're done, I highly doubt it. But I'll show you how to walk away from an imbecile such as yourself Jim. It's easy.

Jim
8/13/2019 11:17:15 pm

I'm just gonna ignore your lowbrow insults.

Look Joe, This was your argument:

"Mass shootings by right-leaning white males? So he was only talking about shootings by right-leaning males? What about the other mass shootings? By non-right-leaning males? I mean... did Kennedy really limit his theory to only those shootings by "right-leaning males"? Or are you being intellectually dishonest by generalizing that all of these shootings are done by "right-leaning males" when you know this not to be the case?"


Now that you have finally got it through your thick skull that you have been exposed as the one that was being intellectually dishonest, you want to move the goalposts and change your argument ? Pfffft. Hell No, I've pretty much had enough of juvenile pettiness.

Jockobadger
8/9/2019 12:07:50 pm

This is something I'm very curious about. We have the El Paso shooter, who apparently left some sort of manifesto that was at least racist. Then we had the bomber guy living in his Trump-bedecked van. Aside from those two, I don't know if these shooters are right-leaning, left-leaning or what. They mostly seem to be crazytown-leaning. This gun violence mess just seems impenetrable to me. Trying to politicize it is not going to solve it - I don't think there is a solution other than be ready to run for it, wherever you are.

Is the Australian (and now apparently New Zealander) solution a possibility here? Methinks no - at least not yet.

Btw, I do not believe the TTSA is an op. I think these guys are true believers - at least Mellon, Elizondo and DeLonge are. I've had my doubts about Dr. Puthoff for years. "Space-time Metric Engineering" sounds a bit hokey, but what do I know?

I do know that I saw an object that was very like the Tic Tac of Nimitz fame and that performed exactly as described. I don't know what to think other than it was astonishing.

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Jim
8/9/2019 02:07:12 pm

" Aside from those two, I don't know if these shooters are right-leaning, left-leaning or what."

Here's a clue.
Count the number of domestic terror attacks perpetuated against people of color and Jewish people by white people.
Than compare that to the amount of domestic terror attacks perpetuated against white people by people of color or Jewish people.

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albedo the nigredo alchemyst
8/9/2019 03:44:58 pm

Jim, your white liberal guilt is showing. It is clear from your cherry-picking domestic terror statistics that you do not believe that black lives matter. Otherwise you would have mentioned the category of people of color perpetrating domestic terror attacks against other people of color.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/07/after_gilroy_mass_shootings_a_white_thing_oh_hell_no.html

" . . . in the two-week run-up to Gilroy, there were 36 other mass shootings from coast to coast — and 34 of those shooters were black. One was white and one Hispanic. These results echo a New York Times story from 2016 that stated, much to the surprise and chagrin of the reporters, that whenever there are three or more victims of gunfire, 75 percent of shooters in America are black."

Jockobadger
8/9/2019 05:28:23 pm

My point, Jimbo, was that the political leanings of the perpetrators are mostly beside the point. They're nutcases, all of them. Sometimes they leave a manifesto, mostly they don't. My admittedly badly stated question was what, if anything, can we do about it? Is the best answer really to be aware of your surroundings and be prepared to run like hell? I hope not, but that's why I referred to it as impenetrable - at least for me. I didn't ask for a facile math quiz.

Jim
8/9/2019 06:51:08 pm

Jockobadger:

" if anything, can we do about it? Is the best answer really to be aware of your surroundings and be prepared to run like hell? "

Lose the gun culture. Stop selling weapons and magazines specifically designed for the mass taking of human life to anybody who wants one.

This is an American problem, it doesn't happen elsewhere like this.
The U.S. does not have a monopoly on nutcases, but it seems to have a monopoly on mass shootings.
These rarely happen anywhere else, take your cue from any number of countries (pretty much any country other than the US). What are you doing different than the rest of the world.

Jim
8/9/2019 06:52:21 pm

PS.

https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1157740352838742016

albedo the nigredo alchemyst
8/9/2019 07:34:46 pm

Jim, once again you flaunt your white privilege by posting a viral tweet that even the left-leaning Politifact had to deem as BS propaganda. Turns out that the 249 number for mass shootings in the USA is really only 20.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/aug/05/viral-tweet-about-mass-shootings-country-it-needs-/

Edward based his tweet on information from the Gun Violence Archive, an independent research group that tallies shooting deaths and injuries in the United States. At the time of Edwards’ tweet, the Gun Violence Archive counted 250 U.S. mass shootings for 2019. (As of this writing, it now stands at 255.)

The Gun Violence Archive defines a mass shooting as an incident where four or more people are shot, not including the shooter. Because of that definition, the archive’s tally includes 129 shootings in which no one died.

"We do not have a generally accepted definition of mass shooting in the United States, which leads the Gun Violence Archive’s numbers to be inflated because it is based solely on a body count and not context," said Jaclyn Schildkraut of the State University of New York in Oswego. "There are qualitative differences in a person who kills their family versus what took place in El Paso and Dayton this weekend."

Congress defines "mass killings," as three or more people killed. The FBI and the Congressional Research Service use a standard of four or more deaths. By that definition, the archive data show 20 mass shootings this year.

Jim
8/9/2019 08:36:52 pm

Jockobadger:, sorry, I guess I forgot to mention some other options:

Bury your head in the sand and pretend it isn't happening.
Argue semantics.
And stick your fingers in your ears and go lalalalalala.

Puzzled
8/9/2019 08:40:34 pm

So in one comment, you proclaim that there were 36 other mass shootings during “the two-week run-up to Gilroy,” but a short time later you’ve changed it to “the number for mass shootings in the USA is really only 20” for the entire year? How does that math work exactly?

Jockobadger
8/10/2019 02:22:22 pm

Jim, I was simply commenting on the fact that the “leanings” are irrelevant, esp to the families of the slain. It’s all ok though - our Prez will just trot out an orphan from the latest outrage and give it a thumbs up. JHFC.

I agree we have a problem - my parents were both born/raised in Wyoming. I’ve inherited somewhere around 20 guns incl pistols, shotguns, rifles, but no Ak/ar types. There are 120 guns for every 100 people in the US.

Yeah, We have a problem. What do we do about it? That was my previous question Smart Guy. You didn’t answer it - you chose to insult me instead with your “gun culture” bs. My inherited firearms are in a safe. I don’t shoot - don’t want to. In the spirit of your previous comment, go pound sand you miserable stupid fuck. I’m voting for Pete and then maybe we’ll have some changes around here - including putting a muzzle on people like you.

Have a great weekend!

Jim
8/10/2019 04:11:18 pm

Jockobadger:

" In the spirit of your previous comment, go pound sand you miserable stupid fuck.

That comment was more in response to the comment directly above it without actually acknowledging albedo the nigredo alchemyst, it wasn't aimed at you. I was perhaps trying to be a little too clever, and for that I apologize.

" What do we do about it? That was my previous question Smart Guy. You didn’t answer it "

Stop selling weapons and magazines specifically designed for the mass taking of human life to anybody who wants one.

take your cue from any number of countries

Canada:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-11.6/

https://www.howtogetagun.ca/

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/07/25/how-to-buy-a-handgun-in-canada-regulatory-and-procedural-steps/

"The law uses three labels to classify firearms into arbitrary categories:

“Non-Restricted”: mainly rifles and shotguns
“Restricted”: mainly handguns and semi-automatic rifles
“Prohibited”: mainly smaller handguns, automatic firearms, and semi-automatic rifles

“Restricted” handguns are generally the only ones available to sport shooters.
(Roughly 50,000 people are authorized to own “Prohibited” firearms despite the name, but the police usually have to confiscate those after the owners die.)"

Have a great weekend yourself, no hard feelings on this end.

Jockobadger
8/11/2019 05:05:37 pm

Jim, yes, I agree entirely on the hi-cap mags and semi-auto rifles. If you really want to shoot, either for sport or hunting, a bolt-action rifle is all you need and is best anyway. After all, the big hero snipers use bolt action, don’t they. Yes they do. So there’s a start. But they should take the AR’s away from the piggies too. The militarization of the cops in this country is a big part of the problem. Banned is banned.

I’m perfectly happy with my Mod. 700
30.06 with 5 rd mag, thank you very much.

The prob is most of these AR d-bags say the reason they need one is that the other guy has one and the cops have one. Make sense? Fuck no. Answer: take them all away.

Yeah!! But then only the brown-guy MS-13 folk will have them.

Impenetrable - see what I mean Jimmy. Fuck it. Glad I live in N Idaho.

Anyway, thanks Jim and it’s all good. Let’s hope Pete gets elected (he won’t but a guy can dream) and get after climate change. It’s not too late yet.

OMG what have we wrought.

Kent
8/12/2019 12:07:07 am

"Hello, 911? I have an emergency! Please send some piggies! My name? Uh, Randy, Randy Weaver, yeah that's the ticket!"

Jockobadger
8/12/2019 02:46:03 am

So I guess from that brilliantly thought out reply that you agree - militarization is fine, eh. Well you’re wrong of course. Oh all the alpha male types in copshops nationwide love it - feeds their inner low testosterone levels and smaller than average oh-be-joyfuls. Also leads to exactly the prob we have today.

If I wanted a response out of you id’ve rattled your cadge, Clark Kent. Think next time. It’s a refreshing change - you might like it. JHFC. Yeah 911. That works good.

Tudlaw
8/9/2019 04:57:05 pm

Remember that white nationalist TV guy who shot those people in Virginia beach? The black one?

Remember that white nationalist who drove to Northern Virginia and lived in his van for a month so he could shoot Republican congressman Steve Scalise?

Remember the white nationalists who killed 4 people last weekend in Chicago?

Remember the white nationalist Beltway Snipers?

Remember the white nationalist Navy Yard shooter?

Remember the white nationalist Fort Hood shooter who killed 13 people?

Remember the white nationalist mayor of Philadelphia who firebombed his own city?

Remember the white nationalist Hanafi Muslim massacre where two adults and a child were shot to death and four other infants and children were drowned?

Remember when the white nationalist Hanafi Muslims murdered WHUR radio personality Maurice Williams?

Remember the white nationalist who set himself on fire on the Washington Mall this year?

Those kooky white natonalists!

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Kent
8/9/2019 07:34:44 pm

Oops, you forgot white nationalist Seung-Hui Cho (조승희) who killed 32 people and wounded 17 others with two semi-automatic pistols in one of the deadliest school shootings in American history on April 16, 2007, at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia and...

White Nationalist FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi who murdered Vicki Weaver.

The white nationalist guardsmen at Kent State.

The white nationalists who beat Reginald Denny after dragging him from his truck.

Machala
8/9/2019 06:46:51 pm

" I think these guys are true believers - at least Mellon, Elizondo and DeLonge are. I've had my doubts about Dr. Puthoff for years..."

I heartly concur. I've always felt that Puthoff was a snake oil salesman who would adjust his pitch to whatever he thought the suckers would swallow and what would make him money. The rest of them drank the kool-aid and believed.

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Jockobadger
8/10/2019 02:34:29 pm

Yep, Kool-aid.

The real question Machala is what IS going on? What do you think? I’m genuinely puzzled but know I saw an object/craft/probe/whatevs that moved like nothing I’ve seen. Ever. It wasn’t std tech. It seemed to move/turn in the blink of an eye. I was not hallucinating, drinking, using. My Bro-in-law, a loud mouthed skeptic prior to 12/30/18, witnessed the whole thing and was pale as a ghost. Now refuses to discuss it. Wtf.

By all means speculate. Just don’t tell me I imagined it bc I did not.

Machala
8/11/2019 09:17:33 pm

JOCKOBADGER,
I don't know and although I remain skeptical, I cannot say with 100% certainty one way or the other. I too have seen unidentified phenomena that couldn't be easily expained away - although some sightings I had in Northern Arizona back in the late 70's and early 80's were attributable to then "unknown" Stealth aircraft that were being secretely tested at the time. The first time you ever watch a Stealth fighter or bomber - especially in the daytime or at dusk, and have know idea what it is, you'll swear it's an alien spacecraft.

An Anonymous Nerd
8/10/2019 12:04:37 am

[Aside from those two, I don't know if these shooters are right-leaning, left-leaning or what. ]

Already forgotten about the garlic festival I see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy_Garlic_Festival_shooting

Or the Poway synagogue shooting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poway_synagogue_shooting

Or the Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting

Charleston Church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting

I was careful to just find comparatively-recent ones that I happened to remember where Conservative politics was a motive. And just in America. So I excluded the waffle house shooting where the dude was a "sovereign citizen" but the shooting itself is hard to connect to politics directly.

I think the Conservatives don't count it as Conservative if the dude has every said any Liberal things -- so, for example, even in El Paso the guy expressed kinda weird environmentalist sentiments so I wouldn't be surprised if they try to paint him as some kind of Eco-Terrorist. They're well-funded so it'll stick.

There are Left ones too of course. The attack on the Members of the House some years back, for example. (Do we count it as "mass" shooting when there are specific enumerated targets? I don't know anymore.) And the Black Power church shootings that were an attempt at revenge for Charleston. (Is Black Power "Left" or something out of that particular continuum? I don't know. *shrugs*)

And politics of any sort are far from the only motive of course. We'll never know what the Vegas guy's motive was.

Not specifically shootings but let's not forget the head of the FBI telling Congress recently that various forms of White Supremacy are the biggest driver of domestic terrorism arrests. But it's ok -- Tucker Carlson says it's a hoax.

But yeah. I'll stop there. There's enough that we really shouldn't pretend we don't know what Mr. Colavito's talking about.

*shrugs*

-An Anonymous Nerd

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.
8/20/2019 12:17:44 am

“I will say, that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we have investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence.”
Christopher Ray, FBI Director
July 23, 2019

.
8/20/2019 01:26:19 am

"I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce."

"We are a fact-gathering organization only. We don't clear anybody. We don't condemn anybody."

"Just the minute the FBI begins making recommendations on what should be done with its information, it becomes a Gestapo."We are a fact-gathering organization only. We don't clear anybody. We don't condemn anybody."

"Justice is merely incidental to law and order."

"Purpose of counter-intelligence action is to disrupt [Black Panther Party] and it is immaterial whether facts exist to substantiate the charge. If facts are present it aids in the success of the proposal but the Bureau feels … that disruption can be accomplished without facts to back it up."

J. Edgar Hoover

Doc Rock
8/13/2019 03:32:45 pm

Jocko,

My understanding, which is far from perfect, is that the US political system as well as the federal and state constitutions protecting gun ownership are significantly different from places like Australia. So, the issue of "why can't we do it like (insert country here)" is far easier said than done. Especially in light of the Heller Supreme court decision and a conservative leaning Supreme Court, which will probably end up even more conservative with a second Trump term.


Deaths by assault rifles are actually only a tiny portion of the gun deaths in the US. The lion's share of gun deaths in the US are suicide by handguns.

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Jockobadger
8/13/2019 08:18:26 pm

You’re right of course, Doc. It is a tiny percent, however, when one guy in a Vegas hotel can kill 57 people in quite short order, or a “right-leaning” moron can kill 20 Brown folk using 100 rd mags...well, might be time to think about some reasonable restrictions, right?

And here’s the big rub - what’s reasonable? Ha! One mans reasonable is another mans confiscation.

Impenetrable and a nightmare. FMFT.

Kent
8/14/2019 03:42:22 am

There were "20 Brown folk" killed in Dayton? I'm trying but failing to think of another shooting involved a 100 round magazine (allegedly).

Doc Rock
8/14/2019 01:07:44 pm

Jocko,

A lot of people on one side want a total ban on firearms and a lot of people on the other side want complete freedom with them. What one side sees as reasonable restrictions or reasonable freedom the other sees as a win for the other side on a process of gradually reaching their ultimate goal.

Where I have lived recently we have people dropping like flies from drug and alcohol related issues, killing each other with whatever is within reach, and stroking out at 50 from obesity, and drowning their kids in bathtubs or burning them alive. The occasional gun death barely registers. I appreciate people's concern when a gun crime hits the 24-7 news cycle. But I am also concern about people cherry picking what they want to be outraged about.

Jim
8/14/2019 02:10:05 pm

Doc and Jock:

We had a big kerfuffle about registering all firearms here in Canada, in the end it just didn't fly, many simply refused to do it resulting in it being a big waste of money and all records of non restricted firearms were subsequently destroyed.
Of course this was mainly about hunting rifles and shotguns etc.
Restricted weapons continue to be monitored and you now must get a FAC (Firearms Acquisition Certificate) to purchase any firearm.

You may find it interesting to read about how Canada has dealt with this in light of the situation down there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry

Kent
8/9/2019 02:10:40 pm

Leaving aside the comments for now, this blog post is all over the map. I feel like I've stumbled into the wrong menstrual hut.

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Kal
8/9/2019 07:27:38 pm

This circus calling itself "academy or arts and science" is laughable. They aren't academic, don't like them much, and are not even close to scientific.

The more the uber right male talking heads complain about how their masculinity hurts (cue their nether parts in a bunch) over some ideology they wrongly think is making people soft, the more you have to wonder if they are not the soft ones and need to stop watching the echo chambers of Faux and hate sites like Alex Jones.

They're like the bully who beats up the nerd and claims he was the victim the whole time.

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Tudlaw
8/9/2019 07:40:47 pm

So, like the Columbine shooters, Al Sharpton, or Zionists?

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An Anonymous Nerd
8/10/2019 03:21:46 pm

The official, full Fox News clip is here:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6069767109001/#sp=show-clips

Mr. Colavito characterized it accurately. If anything he was too mild in his characterization.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Tony Marino
8/21/2019 06:22:21 am

I don't know if anyone wants to hear my opinions on this but,to me,these mass shooters are either evil and mentally ill. A lot of the people who do this don't really have a coherent political ideology other than some form of grievance,whether real or imagined. These people deserve to be in jail. Blaming all conservatives or all white males for these shootings is just as wrong as blaming all Muslims for terrorism. The Steve Scalise shooter was a fanatical left winger who was a big Rachel Maddow fan.
The shooter in Ohio supported Elizabeth Warren and those like her. People like this come from both sides of the political spectrum. I hope those like Jim learn this lesson. I'm a conservative myself and I deplore these shootings as any other decent person would. To me,the people who do these sort of things have something wrong with them,something that goes beyond left or right. Don't put all right wingers in the same basket with the few crazies who do these sorts of things. It's just plain wrong to do that.

And,on a personal note,I hope that the El Paso shooter gets the death penalty. That may seem bloodthirsty of me to say,but after what he did,he DESERVES it,regardless of what political affiliation he had. What he did was wrong,period. End of story.

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Passerby
8/21/2019 07:00:11 am

On the contrary he should get an award for his commitment to safety, the first mass shooter ever to wear eye and hearing protection.

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Jim
8/21/2019 10:44:41 am

Tony:

" People like this come from both sides of the political spectrum. I hope those like Jim learn this lesson."

I never said otherwise.
Can one ignore racism and white supremacy in regard to to these acts, or should we give a pass to racism and shift the blame to only mental health, the pussification of America and ADHD medications ?
The FBI report that that 25% of shooters have been diagnosed with a mental illness.
Fox and friends were just trying to pass the buck.
Does the right to bear arms include nuclear weapons ? Should there be limitations ? Your second amendment was written in a time of muskets.

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Kent
8/21/2019 11:00:20 am

Not ADHD medications, SSRIs.

The Second Amendment was written a time of muskets, swords, pistols, crossbows, and canon.

Jim
8/21/2019 12:33:23 pm

"Not ADHD medications,"

I'm pretty sure Tim Kennedy said ADHD medications.

Kent
8/21/2019 02:28:18 pm

What do Cactus Jack, The Undertaker, and Chris Kyle say?

ADHD medication is just speed and a sniper should know the history and use of Benzedrine and "Go Pills". He thinks no one on D-Day was on speed? Idiot. SSRIs are different (and not always harmful).

Tony Marino
8/21/2019 09:41:22 pm

Dear Jim,

I hope you don't think I was attacking you because I wasn't. I'm just saying that people like you and An Anonymous Nerd bash conservatives for no good reason or use tragedies like these shootings to attack us. You guys call us "Racist!" "Sexist!" "Bigot!" when most conservatives aren't like that. This may come as a surprise to you,but there are black people,Asians,women,and others who are conservative. I have no problem with it and as far as I'm concerned,they're welcome on my side of the aisle.
I also heard you deride the Second Amendment,saying that "It was written in a time of muskets." That may be true but.for the Founding Fathers of America,they wanted Americans to be able to defend themselves from a tyrannical government,a foreign invasion,or criminals. While we're fortunate to have two oceans protecting our two countries,we thought it would be a good idea to have an extra safeguard. To make sure that we the people could defend themselves and help the military when needed.

One of the big reasons why we haven't been invaded was because any invading army would have to deal with an armed citizenry. There are those who don't like it. But,I think it's a pretty good option. I don't have a gun personally,but it's always a good idea to have something like that around in case it's needed. That's why a lot of Americans are less than enthusiastic about things like gun control and gun registries. There's a justifiable fear that if a tyrannical government ever DID come to power in America,the first thing they'd do is go after the guns and take them so that only the government had them.
Well,Jim. I hope that those like you and An Anonymous Nerd would consider what I've said and that you guys and Mr. Colavito would do some studying on these issues. Who knows? You might come to different conclusions that what you have now. See you guys later.

Signed,
Tony Marino

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Jim
8/21/2019 11:27:53 pm

Tony:

" I'm just saying that people like you and An Anonymous Nerd bash conservatives for no good reason or use tragedies like these shootings to attack us. You guys call us "Racist!" "Sexist!" "Bigot!" when most conservatives aren't like that."

I am gonna call you on that and ask that you provide an example.

As far as the second amendment goes, it is an amendment, it can be amended again or changed as the people and leaders will it in a democracy. You gave black people (males only) the right to vote in 1869 for Pete's sake, and women in 1920. (Amendments 15 and 19)
What makes the second amendment sacrosanct at such a heavy cost ?

"One of the big reasons why we haven't been invaded was because any invading army would have to deal with an armed citizenry."

Off hand I can't remember any country in North or South America ever being invaded other than some borderland skirmishes. Has that even happened other than the ill fated US invasion of what is now Canada in 1812 ? You know, when the citizens of Canada took up their arms and repelled the invaders.

I don't care if you are a Democrat or Republican, just get rid of Stumpy. He is neither a Democrat nor a Republican, he is just using the Republican party as a vehicle.

Kent
8/22/2019 12:08:15 am

"Off hand I can't remember any country in North or South America ever being invaded other than some borderland skirmishes."

Jim,

Keep in mind you're the guy who trumpets his lack of knowledge of party affiliations of U.S. Presidents. Git to puffin'.

France invaded Mexico.
The United States invaded Mexico
The United States invaded Cuba
The United States invaded Haiti
The United States invaded Grenada
The United States invaded Panama (arguably in Central, not North or South America)
The United States invaded Greenland
The United States invaded Spain (Cuba, Puerto Rico)
Portugal invaded Brazil
What is now Mexico was invaded by Spain
Japan invaded the United States

Joe Scales
8/22/2019 10:48:04 am

"One of the big reasons why we haven't been invaded was because any invading army would have to deal with an armed citizenry."

The Japanese certainly recognized that fact during WWII when considering an invasion of the continental U.S. Really wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme of things and those alive then can attest to it.

Kent
8/22/2019 11:21:30 am

In 1553 there were more firearms per capita in Japan than in any other country. In 1876 Samurai were forbidden to wear swords.Various Japanese governments had and have a common trait of attempting to disarm the populace. Even now swords are tightly regulated yet somehow the Yakuza doesn't get the memo on firearms.

Jim
8/22/2019 11:34:36 am

Yeah, the Japanese didn't invade the US because some citizens owned guns. That's the ticket.

"The Federal Firearms Act (FFA) of 1938 required gun manufacturers, importers, and dealers to obtain a federal firearms license. It also defined a group of people, including convicted felons, who could not purchase guns, and mandated that gun sellers keep customer records. The FFA was repealed in 1968 by the Gun Control Act (GCA), though many of its provisions were reenacted by the GCA."

"Following the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Attorney General and U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed for the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968. The GCA repealed and replaced the FFA, updated Title II of the NFA to fix constitutional issues, added language about “destructive devices” (such as bombs, mines and grenades) and expanded the definition of “machine gun.”

Overall the bill banned importing guns that have “no sporting purpose,” imposed age restrictions for the purchase of handguns (gun owners had to be 21), prohibited felons, the mentally ill, and others from purchasing guns, required that all manufactured or imported guns have a serial number, and according to the ATF, imposed “stricter licensing and regulation on the firearms industry.”

https://time.com/5169210/us-gun-control-laws-history-timeline/

Getting pretty thick in here, but I will leave you two to reminisce about the time you stormed the beaches in the great American invasion of Greenland. Smh,,,hahaha

"

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Kent
8/22/2019 12:17:45 pm

Actually it's getting kind of like the bar scene in Good Will Hunting. You were shown to be wrong on something easy with just stuff I knew off the top of my head. So you go and cut and paste from a cut-rate version of Wikipedia (could be wrong, I haven't looked at it) and even that is wrong. It's not true that all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to have serial numbers.

Perhaps you'd like to comment on Canada's 1921 plan to invade the United States, ironically named "Defense Scheme No. 1" depending on einen Blitzkrieg and based on concern about U.S. reaction to the then-current Anglo - JAPANESE alignment ... and in the spirit of Good Will Hunting, do you like apples?

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Joe Scales
8/22/2019 01:10:53 pm

Well let's hope he googled what day it was this time...

Jim
8/22/2019 02:35:25 pm

" You were shown to be wrong on something easy with just stuff I knew off the top of my head."

Ya, like the American invasion of Greenland. ,,,,hahahahahaha

" So you go and cut and paste from a cut-rate version of Wikipedia"

What part of "time.com" didn't you understand ?

"could be wrong, I haven't looked at it"

Ignorance is bliss.

" and even that is wrong. It's not true that all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to have serial numbers."

Ignorance is bliss. Perhaps read the article ? Or show me where I am wrong on this ? Good luck.

"Perhaps you'd like to comment on Canada's 1921 plan to invade the United States, ironically named "Defense Scheme No. 1"

Sure, it was designed as a diversionary tactic to buy Canada time in the event of a preceding invasion by the US into Canada.
Where was your list again ? Oh ya:

The United States invaded Mexico
The United States invaded Cuba
The United States invaded Haiti
The United States invaded Grenada
The United States invaded Panama (arguably in Central, not North or South America)
The United States invaded Greenland
The United States invaded Spain (Cuba, Puerto Rico)

You forgot the 1812 invasion of Canada by the US.

How do ya like them apples buddy ?

Kent
8/22/2019 04:42:06 pm

Oh Jim. You throw the word "troll" around but you are so far beyond it in your wrongness. You mentioned the U.S. invasion of Canada and I didn't see the need to retype stuff that you already typed but it seems you need it so there it is.

Since you rely on it I stand by the characterization of time.com as "a cut-rate Wikipedia."

April 10, 1941 United States occupies Greenland

"" and even that is wrong. It's not true that all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to have serial numbers."

Ignorance is bliss. Perhaps read the article ? Or show me where I am wrong on this ? Good luck."

It's legal to manufacture an unlimited number of rifles or pistols without serial numbers in the U.S. to retain as one's own personal property. You really have a hangup up about doing your own research don't you?

"Sure, it was designed as a diversionary tactic to buy Canada time in the event of a preceding invasion by the US into Canada." No, the war plans make it clear that it was intended as a pre-emptive strike. Wrong again, what a shame!

"Where was your list again ? Oh ya:

The United States invaded Mexico
The United States invaded Cuba
The United States invaded Haiti
The United States invaded Grenada
The United States invaded Panama (arguably in Central, not North or South America)
The United States invaded Greenland
The United States invaded Spain (Cuba, Puerto Rico)"

This is where we came in. When you (stupidly) said "Off hand I can't remember any country in North or South America ever being invaded other than some borderland skirmishes."

I left out most of the Banana Wars and the time that depending on your point of view, England invaded Argentina or Argentina invaded England. It was in all the papers, yet you couldn't remember it. Is there anything you actually do know?

Jim
8/22/2019 06:26:47 pm

Hey Kent,,,

"April 10, 1941 United States occupies Greenland"

So in your view when Greenland hires15 Americans to help guard their mines and country, you equate this to an invasion ?
Do you know what the word "occupies" means ? Here is a hint, if you occupy a chair at a Taco Bell, you didn't invade Mexico.

" President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed for the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, prohibited felons, the mentally ill, and others from purchasing guns, required that all manufactured or imported guns have a serial number,"

Kent: ,,,"" and even that is wrong. It's not true that all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to have serial numbers." blah, blah, blah,,,,,,,,

Was it the date that got you confused Kent ? Tell me again how this is wrong.
Oh that's right, whenever Kent embarrasses himself by not even reading a direct quote and making a bonehead reply, he pulls the Wolter switcheroo and prattles on about serial numbers not always needed present day, therefore I am mistaken by saying they were required in 1968. Kind of a big logic fail there Kent !
Can you admit to being wrong ? Nah, just change the subject.
Look for spelling errors Kent, that's the ticket.

"This is where we came in. When you (stupidly) said "Off hand I can't remember any country in North or South America ever being invaded other than some borderland skirmishes."

Right, because of your penchant to take a small insignificant point of any conversation and make a big deal out of nothing.
The bigger point was the excuse to keep assault weapons in the hands of anyone wanting one so that no country would invade the US. It's nonsense of course, but let's discuss the non invasion of Greenland instead.

That's all you do, nitpick minor points and change the subject to inane little tidbits of drivel.
Do you have ADHD ? Taking any meds. ? Got a gun ?

Adios, the thread is yours, nitpick away whist you dream of storming the beaches of Greenland and pretend you are never wrong.

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Kent
8/24/2019 03:59:15 pm

Joe, Joe, Joe, Joey Jo Jo. Is it really me who never admits I'm wrong?

You are right of course in the sense that "From 1941 until 1945, the United States established numerous and extensive facilities for air and sea traffic in Greenland, as well as radio beacons, radio stations, weather stations, ports, depots, artillery posts, and search-and-rescue stations. The United States Coast Guard also provided a considerable portion of the civilian resupply task up and down both coasts."

and

"Three-inch naval deck guns were supplied by Campbell and the recently arrived USCGC Northland along with eight machine guns, fifty rifles, and thousands of rounds of ammunition."

means hiring 15 guys "to help guard their mines and country". In that case of course you are correct. But in the sense that the 15 guys were hired to guard ONE mine and really didn't have time to guard the world's largest island in their off hours, you are of course.... wait for it... wrong. And oops! in 1942 the United States Army took over the job.

Have you read the GCA of 1968? No, of course not. The no serial numbers thing is hardly new.

As for your source, time.com, let's look at this nugget, shall we?

"Mar 9, 1936 So to contrive that Bolshevik Russia and Republican France should somehow be linked in close mutual accord has become a ruling passion with the wealthy No. 1 Socialist of France, that exquisitely cultivated Jew and famed rabble-rouser, M. Léon Blum. From rostrums as various as the curbstone of a Paris slum and the tribune of the Chamber, long-nosed, stringy-haired M. Blum has clarioned: 'Socialism is my religion!'"

Blum of course would not become the long-nosed, stringy-haired Prime Minster of France until three months later.

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Jim
8/24/2019 10:37:39 pm

Lol,,,,, what was that ?

Did the US invade Greenland or not, yes or no ?

Was a law passed in 1968 that required that all manufactured or imported guns have a serial number, yes or no ?

And what the frack does Léon Blum have to do with anything ?
Or are you saying Fox and Friends have more credibility than Time Magazine ?
I can quote some Fox crap if you wish.

Kent
8/25/2019 11:09:28 pm

Gotta say, Jim, a piss poor performance on your part.

"Did the US invade Greenland or not, yes or no ?"

When did I say it did? I did not.

"Was a law passed in 1968 that required that all manufactured or imported guns have a serial number, yes or no ?"

As I've been trying with extreme patience to tell you, not only no but heck no. I know you want me to google it for you but I'm not wasting time on that exercise again.

"And what the frack does Léon Blum have to do with anything ?
Or are you saying Fox and Friends have more credibility than Time Magazine ?"

I put that in context of you using Time as a source, so sit on it and rotate. As for your question I don't know. I don't watch Fox.

"I can quote some Fox crap if you wish."

Do that with one hand and whizz in the other. See which one fills up first. I don't watch Fox so maybe I'd learn something but unlikely.

Jim
8/26/2019 01:21:33 am

Kent:

"Gotta say, Jim, a piss poor performance on your part.
"Did the US invade Greenland or not, yes or no ?"
When did I say it did? I did not."

Kent earlier:

8/22/2019 12:08:15 am
"The United States invaded Greenland"

Jim
8/26/2019 10:09:35 am

"Was a law passed in 1968 that required that all manufactured or imported guns have a serial number, yes or no ?"

Kent"
"As I've been trying with extreme patience to tell you, not only no but heck no. I know you want me to google it for you but I'm not wasting time on that exercise again."

English translation:

I Know I am wrong but I will not admit it.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-gun-control-act-of-1968.html

"It required all firearms to be marked with a serial number for tracking purposes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968

"The law also required that all newly manufactured firearms produced by licensed manufacturers in the United States and imported into the United States bear a serial number."

https://www.pennlago.com/are-firearms-without-serial-numbers-illegal/

"In 1968, the Gun Control Act (GCA) imposed numerous additional requirements in the arena of gun manufacture. As per the GCA, all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to bear a serial number. This law ―which was effective October 22, 1968― extends the serial requirement beyond the specific group of NFA regulated firearms.
The serial number requirement remains in effect today, which explains our modern conceptions."

https://www.pennlago.com/wp-content/uploads/NFA1.png

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/firearms-imporation-verification-guidebook-firearms-verificationpdf/download

"MARKING REQUIREMENTS – FIREARMS (27 CFR 478.92)Sec. 478.92
(a)(1) Firearms. You, as a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer of firearms, must legibly identify each firearm manufactured or imported as follows:(i) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm."

I guess we can see why Kent does not want to use google to support his case.

Kent
8/28/2019 07:26:03 pm

Oh Jim. Poor stupid doughy headed Jim. Jim.

<I now have to pause to gather myself because I am dealing with warpdrive stupidity>

Jim. What do you suppose "licensed manufacturer" means in the context of a federal law? You're too stupid so I'll tell you: It means a federally licensed manufacturer of firearms. Not being one of those I am not bound by this. Jim.

Not being a federally licensed manufacturer, I can manufacture as many firearms without serial numbers as I want in my lonely walkup apartment every day until the day I die, as long as I can come up with $1500 for a milling machine to finish off the 80% receivers. It's not my scene but I could do that and it would be completely legal under federal law in the United States. Jim.

If you think this isn't happening every day you are delusional. Jim.

You went a long way to, dare I say it, be proved wrong once again. And I gave you time. Jim.

Maybe read a newspaper now and then. Jim. Couldn't hoit!

Your aggressive ignorance is actually quite interesting. Jim.

Waiting for the Worms
8/28/2019 08:03:11 pm

Jim is looking for someone to obey. He is essentially submissive. That is what you need to know about Jim.

Jim
8/29/2019 08:31:02 pm

Kent:
"Jim. What do you suppose "licensed manufacturer" means in the context of a federal law? You're too stupid so I'll tell you: It means a federally licensed manufacturer of firearms."

Is English your first language ?
Do you understand the difference between make and manufacture ?

man·u·fac·ture
verb
1.
make (something) on a large scale using machinery.

" Not being one of those I am not bound by this. Jim."

Kent, who gives a crap, I never said otherwise. Quit changing your argument every time you are wrong.

Kent:

" It's not true that all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to have serial numbers.

Oops Kenty, wrong again,,, but thanks for the new red herring.

The Law:

"§ 923. Licensing
(a) No person shall engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in fire-arms, or importing or manufacturing ammunition, until he has filed an application with and received a license to do so from the Attorney General."

Read em and weep.

Hurl some more insults Kent,,, works for you.

Jim
8/29/2019 09:33:14 pm

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title26/pdf/USCODE-2011-title26-subtitleE-chap53.pdf

EFFECTIVE DATE Section effective on first day of first month following October 1968, see section 207 of Pub. L. 90–618, set out as a note under section 5801 of this title

.§ 5842.
Identification of firearms
(a) Identification of firearms other than destructive devices

Each manufacturer and importer and anyone making a firearm shall identify each firearm, other than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or made by a serial number which may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer,or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe.
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Pretty clear huh Kent ?

Kent
8/29/2019 10:05:34 pm

Jim. Poor sweet doughy-headed Jim. Jim.

A good man doesn't need dictionaries. Today is not the day to ask why I have so many. Jim.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manufacture

"1 : to make into a product suitable for use
2a : to make from raw materials by hand or by machinery
2b : to produce according to an organized plan and with division of labor"

From the GCA of 1968:

"(10) The term "manufacturer"
means any person engaged in the
business of manufacturing firearms or
ammunition

for purposes of sale or distribution; <=== Jim! Look here. Jim.

and the term "licensed
manufacturer" means any such person licensed under the provisions of
this chapter."

So: one can manufacture (literally "make by hand" so NOT different from "make") infinite single shot or semi-automatic guns without serial numbers under U.S. federal law because one is not a "manufacturer" under the terms of the GCA of 1968. Jim.

The effort and time you put into being wrong and not only that but easily disprovably wrong is staggering. Jim.

I'm going to legally build a gun with no serial number that points at the shooter and I'm going to call it "The Jim".

Jim.

Jim
8/30/2019 03:16:19 am

Kent:

"So: one can manufacture (literally "make by hand" so NOT different from "make") infinite single shot or semi-automatic guns without serial numbers under U.S. federal law because one is not a "manufacturer" under the terms of the GCA of 1968. Jim."

Or conversely, instead of going by your made up claptrap above, we could go with what the statutes actually state, what part of "and anyone making a firearm" did you not understand ?

"(i) Make
The term ‘‘make’’, and the various derivatives of such word, shall include manufacturing (other than by one qualified to engage in such business under this chapter), putting together, altering, any combination of these, or otherwise producing a firearm."

"Each manufacturer and importer and anyone making a firearm shall identify each firearm, other than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or made by a serial number which may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer,or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe."

Go ahead, make up some more claptrap to support your red herring.

Joe Scales
8/30/2019 10:31:38 am

Can we move on to the definition of firearms, or would that be stepping on the bit?

Kent
8/30/2019 11:50:37 am

Oh Jim. Poor valiantly struggling but living on his own Jim. Jim.

The definition of "manufacturer" I provided above IS from the statute. Jim.

Mr. Scales: I think it's time someone stepped on this bit. Pointing out why where and how Jim is wrong long ago became tedious. It's the Amish-like refusal to take in information or God forbid read a newspaper that I find troubling. Perhaps a better word would be "interesting".

As for the definition of a firearm, remember the BATFE ("Batmen") ruled in 1996 and reiterated in September 2004 that a shoestring is a machine gun under 26 U.S.C. 5845(b). In June 2007 BATFE ("Batmen") clarified that "whether or not there are loops tied on the ends" a shoestring is only a machine gun under certain circumstances.

So have at it!

Jim
8/30/2019 12:56:17 pm

Kent:

"The definition of "manufacturer" I provided above IS from the statute. Jim."

So what ? Who cares ? Another red herring ? When I quoted your post:

"So: one can manufacture (literally "make by hand" so NOT different from "make") infinite single shot or semi-automatic guns without serial numbers under U.S. federal law because one is not a "manufacturer" under the terms of the GCA of 1968. Jim."

and referred to it as "made up claptrap above" you thought I was referring to something else ?
Another day another red herring.

Here is what you are disputing:

" So you go and cut and paste from a cut-rate version of Wikipedia (could be wrong, I haven't looked at it) and even that is wrong. It's not true that all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to have serial numbers."

You are too arrogant to even bother reading it ?
Then without even reading it declare it to be wrong ?

" It's not true that all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to have serial numbers."

You nitwit, the quote I gave never even said this. lol,, hahahaha
It was an article about laws enacted in 1968 that are not (fully) in effect today.
Hahaha, you are arguing that the quote is wrong about something that wasn't even in the quote!
What part of 1968 did you not understand ?
Grow a brain.

Please tell me more stories about the great American invasion of Greenland during WW ll, I just can't get enough of that.
Remember a guy from Greenland discovered America, They could make a pretty good case for ownership of the US.

Kent
8/30/2019 02:05:36 pm

Oh Jim. Well-meaning but deficient Jim. Jim.

When I said I hadn't looked at "it" I was referencing the website you were quoting from, not the quote itself. It's pretty clear, as "cut-rate Wikipedia" immediately precedes :"it". Poor reading-deficient Jim. Jim.

I will cut to the chase: why you are wrong. It is perfectly legal to make or "manufacture" if you prefer firearms without serial numbers in the United States, under federal law. People do it every day. Jim.

Poor just-can't-accept-it Jim. Jim.

I would be interested to hear what parts of the 1968 GCA are not yet in effect. It's called "not rejecting information" Jim. Jim.

Jim
8/30/2019 03:24:16 pm

Bwahahahaha:

"I will cut to the chase: why you are wrong. It is perfectly legal to make or "manufacture" if you prefer firearms without serial numbers in the United States, under federal law. People do it every day. Jim."

How dense are you ? Did the article say it was illegal to make guns without serial numbers in 2019 ? NO, IT DID NOT !!!!

The quote accurately described gun laws passed in 1968 PERIOD.....

You stated this was WRONG.

It was not wrong.
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Me:

"Was a law passed in 1968 that required that all manufactured or imported guns have a serial number, yes or no ?"

Kent

"As I've been trying with extreme patience to tell you, not only no but heck no."

Kent again:

" It's not true that all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to have serial numbers."

But it was true in 1968, which is what the article said and you said was false.
The fact that you can't get it through that thickness between your ears is that it is not 1968 any more, and in the ensuing fifty one years the laws have of course been changed.

Get a grip.

Kent
8/30/2019 05:04:49 pm

Oh Jim. Sweet, obstinate, droolcup Jim. Jim.

Let me type this slowly: People in the U.S. have been making their own guns for centuries. Guns not made for sale or distribution do not and have NEVER required serial numbers under federal law.

It is NOT the case that somehow the federal laws were made more lax after 1968. If it is, PROVE IT.

You are like the students in "Lean on Me":

"You tried it your way for years. And your students can't even get past the Minimum Basic Skills Test. That means they can hardly read!!" Jim.

Jim
8/30/2019 06:37:50 pm

Kent:

"Guns not made for sale or distribution do not and have NEVER required serial numbers under federal law."

This is not true. That there is a loophole in the law that allows for ghost guns is well known, but it is just that, a loophole.

READ THIS, or just ignore it and pretend you know everything.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-ammunition-firearms-verification-overview

From the ATF's own website:

"Q: How must firearms be identified?

You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:

By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"

Or read this, nah, you already know everything, you won't read links, then say they are wrong sight unseen.
Why do you ask for proof, when you won't even read it ?

https://www.pennlago.com/are-firearms-without-serial-numbers-illegal/

Read something for God's sake. sheesh.

Kent
8/30/2019 08:05:04 pm

Oh Jim. Sweet, gentle Helen Keller-like Jim. Jim.

I didn't read an entire website because I read the quoted text from it that you posted? Did I do wrong?

"Loophole" is just a word for "something I don't like". Making guns without serial numbers is and always has been legal under federal law. Get over it. Jim

You keep ignoring definitions in the law that don't suit you. That's not how laws work in the U.S. Jim.

Still waiting to hear what provisions of this 50 year old law are not in effect. Jim.

You have changed your argument: now you say "there's a loophole" but before you said "the laws were relaxed after 1968." Jim

Jim
8/30/2019 09:35:20 pm

Kent:

"You have changed your argument: now you say "there's a loophole" but before you said "the laws were relaxed after 1968." Jim"

You are quoting me as saying this -"the laws were relaxed after 1968."- ?

Bullshit, you are a LIAR.

Kent
8/30/2019 11:11:25 pm

So challenged, so put upon. Sweet doughy headed fish in a barrel Jim. Jim.

"Kent:

"You have changed your argument: now you say "there's a loophole" but before you said "the laws were relaxed after 1968." Jim"

You are quoting me as saying this -"the laws were relaxed after 1968."- ?

Bullshit, you are a LIAR."

I have to say that the profanity is a little disappointing, but I bet even Corky from Life Goes On got frustrated and acted out now and then. Jim.

"Kent again:

"It's not true that all firearms manufactured or imported into the United States are required to have serial numbers."

But it was true in 1968, which is what the article said and you said was false.
The fact that you can't get it through that thickness between your ears is that it is not 1968 any more, and in the ensuing fifty one years the laws have of course been changed.

Get a grip."

First, as I have been struggling mightily and patiently to explain to you, the statement that "it was true in 1968" is simply not true, in the technical sense of being completely wrong. Jim.

Second, if something was forbidden in 1968 (and/or before!) and allowed afterwards, that would be a case of a law being relaxed. Jim.

Third, a little documentation if you please. A reference to the act of Congress that got rid of the non-existent serial number requirement would be appreciated. Jim.

Isn't it embarrassing to be wrong, and not only wrong but wrong about the same thing over and over and over? Jim.

Still waiting to hear what parts of the 1968 GCA are not yet in effect. Jim.

Jim
8/31/2019 10:16:02 am

Oops, sorry folks, it looks like I broke Kent.
He has become completely delusional.
He is literally arguing with himself. He is inventing comments I never made, attributing them to me and then arguing a counter point. lol,,,,,,Wowzer ,,and still losing the argument. hahahahaha.

"You are quoting me as saying this -"the laws were relaxed after 1968."- ?"

I never said this.
YOU MADE THAT UP.

"Second, if something was forbidden in 1968 (and/or before!) and allowed afterwards, that would be a case of a law being relaxed. Jim."

I never said anything was allowed afterwords.
YOU MADE THAT UP.

"Third, a little documentation if you please. A reference to the act of Congress that got rid of the non-existent serial number requirement would be appreciated. Jim."

I never said Congress that got rid of the non-existent serial number requirement.
YOU MADE THAT UP
It is actually still in effect, had you actually read any of the links I provided you would know that. But rather than deal with facts, you make shit up then make a counter argument against your own made up shit ! hahaha.

Where are you institutionalized ?

"Isn't it embarrassing to be wrong, and not only wrong but wrong about the same thing over and over and over? Jim."

Are you addressing me ? Or the imaginary Jim that you are attributing these statements too ? lol

"I'm going to legally build a gun with no serial number that points at the shooter and I'm going to call it "The Jim"."

Should we be worried ? Should the authorities be notified ?

Seek help.

Kent
8/31/2019 12:59:57 pm

"'Third, a little documentation if you please. A reference to the act of Congress that got rid of the non-existent serial number requirement would be appreciated. Jim.'

I never said Congress that got rid of the non-existent serial number requirement."

I never said you did. Jim. I said "a reference ... would be appreciated." Jim.

Jim, are you saying that the serial number requirement was non-existent? If you are, that would be a step toward being correct. But I don't think you are, because you go on to say "It is actually still in effect" which is not true because it never was in effect. Jim.

Let's try to reason this through by analogy. There are two sets of rules, one for licensed manufacturers, one for home builders. Jim.

Some licensed manufacturers can make or manufacture or fabricate or assemble or cause to come into existence machine guns.

Unlicensed manufacturers and home builders who are NOT "manufacturers" as defined in the statute, may not. Jim.

From the GCA of 1968:

"(10) The term "manufacturer"
means any person engaged in the
business of manufacturing firearms or
ammunition

for purposes of sale or distribution; <=== Jim! Look here. Jim.

and the term "licensed
manufacturer" means any such person licensed under the provisions of
this chapter."

While you're digesting all that, wrap your head around this. If you find it hard to believe that might be a symptom of the same thing that makes you misunderstand serial numbers. Jim.

In the United States, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives advises: "Persons manufacturing explosives for their own personal, non-business use only (e.g., personal target practice) are not required to have a Federal explosives license or permit."

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/binary-explosives

No amount of wanting something that is not true to be true will make it true. Jim.

Jim
8/31/2019 03:29:07 pm

OMG,, lol, this is awesome ! Hahahaha.
Where are you institutionalized ? You didn't answer.

Kents comment :

"'Third, a little documentation if you please. A reference to the act of Congress that got rid of the non-existent serial number requirement would be appreciated. Jim.'
I never said Congress that got rid of the non-existent serial number requirement."
I never said you did. Jim. I said "a reference ... would be appreciated." Jim."

Bwahahahaha, you want me to document something that only exists in a figment of your imagination ? hahaha

Where are you institutionalized ?

Kent:
"Jim, are you saying that the serial number requirement was non-existent? If you are, that would be a step toward being correct."

This is a rather comical bit of logic/gaslighting, what part of everything I have said in my last ten posts did you not understand ?

Where are you institutionalized ?

Kent:
"It is actually still in effect" which is not true because it never was in effect. Jim."

Oh, Kenty, I think I have copy pasted the black letter law enough times that we both know what it is.
Perhaps read section 479.102 - How must firearms be identified as a refresher.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/479.102

Oh that's right, you don't accept links to legit sources, sorry I forgot we can only use crap your delusional mind made up as a source.
Speaking of which, I am waiting for you to provide a single source to back up your mindless drivel. Why is that Kent ?

Kent:
" There are two sets of rules, one for licensed manufacturers, one for home builders. Jim."

Nope, you made that one up Kent. Black letter law and all that.
Er,,, wait, home builders ? Are we talking nail guns here Kent ?
But ya, home builders and most in the construction industry have a different set rules than the ones governing the making of firearms
Also there are different rules for pilots as well.

Black letter law. (this is for gun making, not home building)

"Each manufacturer and importer and anyone making a firearm shall identify each firearm, other than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or made by a serial number which may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer,or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe."

Kent:
Some licensed manufacturers can make or manufacture or fabricate or assemble or cause to come into existence machine guns.
Unlicensed manufacturers and home builders who are NOT "manufacturers" as defined in the statute, may not. Jim."

Sure, you are not allowed to make home made machine guns, so what ?
That's your argument ?,,hahahahaha
Wake up Dopey, you are not making any sense.

Kent:
"While you're digesting all that, wrap your head around this. If you find it hard to believe that might be a symptom of the same thing that makes you misunderstand serial numbers. Jim."

Sorry Kent, but this is just gibberish.

Kent:
"In the United States, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives advises: "Persons manufacturing explosives for their own personal, non-business use only (e.g., personal target practice) are not required to have a Federal explosives license or permit."

Er,,,ok,,,, I guess,,,,,way to drive home your argument !
Did you know that ducks can swim ?

Kent:
" No amount of wanting something that is not true to be true will make it true. Jim."

Is that true ? You aught to copyright that and sell it to Hallmark cards, it might just pay for your meds.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/479.102

"479.102 How must firearms be identified?

(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:

(1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, alter,,,,,,,,
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Kenty gone kookoo bananas.

Kent
8/31/2019 04:55:30 pm

Oh Jim. Sweet Silly Putty and slightly spoiled salmon for brains Jim. Jim.

You're gettin' out of control, going off the rails, coocoo for Cocoa Puffs.

Instead of getting your mentally challenged point of view, let's see what the BATFE (Batmen) say(s). From their website:

"Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 CFR 478.39. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for the official use of a - 8 - Federal, State or local government agency (18 U.S.C. § 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. § 5822; 27 CFR §§ 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105).

Additionally, although markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms), owners are recommended to conspicuously place or engrave a serial number and/ or other marks of identification to aid in investigation or recovery by State or local law enforcement officials in the event of a theft or loss of the privately owned firearm."

Let's dwell on this for a while shall we? Are you ready to marinate?

"markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms)"

"markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms)"

"markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms)"

"markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms)"

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0813-firearms-top-12-qaspdf/download

If you think I didn't have that in my back pocket all along while you acted out your insanity, you are well and truly a Corky. Jim.

If you want to tell an agency that has said a shoestring is a machinegun that they are wrong because Johnny Canadian doesn't get it, have at it. Go to town. Jim. Or should I say Corky?

Jim
8/31/2019 07:33:18 pm

Let the bells ring out and the banners fly, Kenty looked something up ! Rah, Rah, Rah.

"If you want to tell an agency that has said a shoestring is a machinegun that they are wrong because Johnny Canadian doesn't get it, have at it."

Those guys are your source ? lol

"Additionally, although markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use "

Ok, to be clear this is an encapsulated answer to the question:
"Do I need a Federal firearms license to make a firearm for my own personal use, provided it is not being made for resale?"

This is not what the actual law states:
The Law:

"Each manufacturer and importer and anyone making a firearm shall identify each firearm, other than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or made by a serial number which may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer,or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe."

While your quote is poorly written and somewhat inaccurate (think shoestring machine gun) it's close enough for the girls I go with.
What your quote is referencing in regard to serial numbers is the loophole I mentioned earlier, there isn't two sets of laws there is only "the" laws.

I am not going to bother looking this up so don't bother nitpicking any minor discrepancies as is your wont. This is off the top of my head.

Ghost guns are gun kits made by manufacturers and then sold to (mainly) private citizens.
If a firearm frame is 80% or less completed it does not meet the legal definition of a firearm, thus these gun kits can be sold without a serial number on them as it is not technically a firearm yet.
Since the person who buys this kit and puts the gun together didn't technically "make" the firearm a serial number isn't needed as per the written law.

That is the loophole.

If a person builds his own firearm from scratch without a gun kit he or she is obligated to mark it with a serial number, as per the written law.
If a manufacturer produces completed firearms they must mark them as well.

When Time Magazine said:

"Overall the bill banned importing guns that have “no sporting purpose,” imposed age restrictions for the purchase of handguns (gun owners had to be 21), prohibited felons, the mentally ill, and others from purchasing guns, required that all manufactured or imported guns have a serial number, and according to the ATF, imposed “stricter licensing and regulation on the firearms industry.”

They were 100% accurate, making you wrong.
Just as you were wrong about two separate sets of laws.
Just as you were wrong about the US invading Greenland.
Etc,etc, ad nauseam.

Me:
"Was a law passed in 1968 that required that all manufactured or imported guns have a serial number, yes or no ?"

Kent:
As I've been trying with extreme patience to tell you, not only no but heck no."

Kent
9/1/2019 01:14:19 am

Oh Jim, aggressively stupid possibly brain damaged Jim. Jim.

Do you understand the U.S. system of laws and regulations and regulatory agencies?

Do you understand that until something comes under judicial review, the BATFE (Batmen) is (are) the last word on what is legal in the firearms world from the point of view of federal law?

Jim wrote: "Those guys are your source ? lol"

Yes, Jim, aggressively stupid possibly brain damaged Jim. Jim.
The BATFE (Batmen) is (are) my source. Jim.

"While your quote is poorly written and somewhat inaccurate..."
If it's poorly written in your view, take it up with the BATFE (Batmen) because they wrote it. As for "somewhat inaccurate" it's 100% accurate because I copied and pasted it from the BATFE (Batmen) website, as I clearly stated, you enormous Corky. Jim.

Jim, this is where your retardation has a Red Bull and grows wings. We are about to enter a Hurricane Dorian of wrongness. Jim.

"Ghost guns are gun kits made by manufacturers and then sold to (mainly) private citizens."

Ghost guns are not "kits" and "made by manufacturers" is redundant. Jim.

Jim: "If a firearm frame is 80% or less completed it does not meet the legal definition of a firearm, thus these gun kits can be sold without a serial number on them as it is not technically a firearm yet."

The "frame" has nothing to do with it. Jim. Also, still not kits. Jim.

Jim: "Since the person who buys this kit and puts the gun together didn't technically "make" the firearm a serial number isn't needed as per the written law."

Again, not a kit, and clearly someone "makes it" in this imaginary brain damaged scenario. Jim. This is more of Jim in his aggressively stupid possibly brain damaged way getting almost everything possible wrong. Jim.

"When Time Magazine said: '...'"
They were 100% accurate, making you wrong."

So Time Magazine is the final arbiter, not the long nosed stringy haired regulatory agency directed by Congress to enforce the laws passed by Congress? Jim.

Jim: "That is the loophole."
Again, "loophole" is code for "Jim no like." Jim.

Jim: "If a person builds his own firearm from scratch without a gun kit he or she is obligated to mark it with a serial number, as per the written law."

Completely untrue, per common knowledge and the advice of the BATFE (Batmen). Jim.

Jim, I have to give you credit, in your borderline brain completely scooped out kind of way you've made being wrong into a far too long and tedious piece of sewer-ready performance art. Jim.

Jim
9/1/2019 09:18:05 am

Look Scott,,, you don't mind if I call you Scott do you ?
You are making yourself look like an idiot.

"Do you understand that until something comes under judicial review, the BATFE (Batmen) is (are) the last word on what is legal in the firearms world from the point of view of federal law?
Yes, Jim, aggressively stupid possibly brain damaged Jim. Jim.
The BATFE (Batmen) is (are) my source. Jim."

This is what you are touting as the last word in federal law ?

"markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms)"

Hahahaha, what a fool, if you cannot see how idiotic, stupid and wrong mistaking this sentence for settled law is, I cannot help you.

"Jim: "If a firearm frame is 80% or less completed it does not meet the legal definition of a firearm, thus these gun kits can be sold without a serial number on them as it is not technically a firearm yet."

"The "frame" has nothing to do with it. Jim. Also, still not kits. Jim."

That's the ticket, ignore the truth.

https://www.80-lower.com/blogs/80-lower-blog/how-to-build-your-own-ar-15-legally-and-unregistered/

"80% lowers do not meet the BATFE's legal definition of a firearm, due to the fire control group cavity remaining unmilled and in its original state. This is why it has received the name, “80% lower.” As mentioned, the 80% lower receiver does not require an FFL transfer or serialization"

https://www.80-lower.com/blogs/80-lower-blog/are-80-lowers-legal/

"Since you’re curious about the legality of 80% lowers, it’s safe to assume that you know what an 80% lower receiver or an 80% frame of a weapon is."

OK just to put in my 2 cents, " it’s safe to assume that you know what an 80% lower receiver or an 80% frame of a weapon is."
No, it is not safe to assume Kent knows how to tie his own shoelaces let alone knows anything at all about what he is arguing about..

That will have to do for your morning ass kicking, My foot is still sore from kicking your ass all day yesterday

Perhaps you could take this time to make up some more fake quotes, attribute them to me again, and argue a counter point as you like to do.
Or work on your US invaded Greenland story. (it really needs some work)

Kent
9/1/2019 02:15:54 pm

Oh Jim. Jim. Poor Jim.

Like the IRS, BATFE (Batmen) is (are) a regulatory agency and their regulations do indeed have the force of law. It seems you don't understand the U.S. system. Or do you believe that Congress passed a law addressing the blood alcohol levels of airline pilots? No, it's an FAA regulation with the force of law.

Your argument boils down to "BATFE (Batmen) is (are) either lying or uninformed and Time Magazine and Jim's random website of the day are superior sources of information". Jim.

Jim
9/1/2019 06:10:17 pm

Oh look, there is a banana !

Congress passes gun laws.
These laws are not secret.
You cannot show me this law because you made it up.

Kent
9/1/2019 08:09:51 pm

Oh Jim. Trying my patience. Jim.

Your argument boils down to "BATFE (Batmen) is (are) either lying or uninformed and Time Magazine and Jim's random website of the day are superior sources of information". Jim.

Jim
9/1/2019 09:41:07 pm

Oh, this is hilarious
Kent claims Time Magazine is wrong.

I dispute claim

Kent invents a second set of gun laws to support said claim.

I dispute second set of gun laws as BS because one cannot find said laws anywhere, not a trace.

Kent spends ten days and ten nights arguing for their existence, but still can't find any evidence that they ever existed.

Kent claims victory.

Kent
9/1/2019 09:58:43 pm

Jim. Patience exhausted. Jim.

I gave you the link to the BATFE(Batmen) website. You still don't get the concept of "regulations with the force of law". But my real argument is "absence of law". Serial numbers are not required under federal law.

Yes, long nosed stringy haired Time Magazine was wrong.

Jim.

Jim
9/1/2019 10:27:02 pm

"Yes, long nosed stringy haired Time Magazine was wrong."

Wrong about what Kent ?

The Magazine said this

"Overall the bill banned importing guns that have “no sporting purpose,” imposed age restrictions for the purchase of handguns (gun owners had to be 21), prohibited felons, the mentally ill, and others from purchasing guns, required that all manufactured or imported guns have a serial number, and according to the ATF, imposed “stricter licensing and regulation on the firearms industry.”

Here is the law.

"EFFECTIVE DATE Section effective on first day of first month following October 1968, see section 207 of Pub. L. 90–618, set out as a note under section 5801 of this title

.§ 5842.
Identification of firearms
(a) Identification of firearms other than destructive devices

Each manufacturer and importer and anyone making a firearm shall identify each firearm, other than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or made by a serial number which may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer,or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe.

"(i) Make
The term ‘‘make’’, and the various derivatives of such word, shall include manufacturing (other than by one qualified to engage in such business under this chapter), putting together, altering, any combination of these, or otherwise producing a firearm."

How does the BATFE saying this on their website 51 years later make the Magazine wrong ? (it doesn't)

"markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms)"

You made a flippant uneducated and erroneous remark ten days ago and instead of admitting you were wrong or just dropping it.
You have been running around a mulberry bush for 10 freaking days.

Jr. Time Lord
8/23/2019 05:57:17 am

JOE SCALES
8/22/2019 10:48:04 am
'One of the big reasons why we haven't been invaded was because any invading army would have to deal with an armed citizenry.'

"The Japanese certainly recognized that fact during WWII when considering an invasion of the continental U.S. Really wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme of things and those alive then can attest to it."


The world must be coming to an end. I agree with joe. My Swiss 6th grade teacher claimed, "Switzerland could be defended from ground invasion by 5 to 7 men with rifles". True??? Or BS???

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Kent
8/24/2019 03:36:10 pm

There you go again, quoting imaginary school teachers.

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Joe Scales
8/25/2019 11:17:28 am

Oh, I'd give him a pass here; and not just simply for recognizing historical fact that evades partisans. At least his blinders aren't political in nature. And unlike other imbeciles here, his compulsions are blessed with an appreciated brevity.

Jr. Time Lord
8/26/2019 07:11:47 pm

KENT
8/24/2019 03:36:10 pm
"There you go again, quoting imaginary school teachers."

If all of my school teachers, professors, and mentors were imaginary... that was one hell of a drug they gave me for the circumcision. Heck... It took me a year to walk.

joe,

Politics contains more bullshit than Ancient Aliens. Unlike kent, I don't wear blinders. kent's blinders are his butt cheeks. Likely with a pair of "Depends" to cap it off.

I fully understand historical facts, and how they can be twisted to fit an agenda. I also fully understand how media can be used to manipulate the Public Mind. The men who mentored me always claimed, "Marijuana will not be legal until, they want a passive population. Once the government legalizes marijuana, they will attempt to reverse the Second Amendment and take everyone's guns." Right now, they don't seem too far off the mark.

Joe Scales
8/26/2019 09:42:45 pm

Marijuana can be fair and balanced too.
Just add PCP...

Tony Marino
8/26/2019 09:47:36 pm

Forgive me guys,but what does marijuana have ANYTHING to do with what we were talking about?

Jr. Time Lord
8/26/2019 10:57:12 pm

"Forgive me guys,but what does marijuana have ANYTHING to do with what we were talking about?"

Tony,

That was due to me quoting my mentors. Many of them felt legalized marijuana would create a passive population willing to give up their guns.
They felt like legalization and gun control would go hand-in-hand.

JOE SCALES
8/26/2019 09:42:45 pm

"Just add PCP..."

NO WAY, dude! I put myself through college working as a bouncer. On two separate occasions, I was in a fight for my life with dudes on PCP. That shit turns you into Superman. I allegedly broke nine bones on the last dude. Although, I believe, I was only responsible for 7 breaks. The asp wielding police officers broke his fibula and tibia while whipping his legs. He kept popping back up like a jack-in-the-box.

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Joe Scales
8/27/2019 10:12:55 am

"I put myself through college working as a bouncer."

No you didn't.

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Kent
8/28/2019 07:48:13 pm

"Anthony Warren" whose Yahoo email address was stolen by religious zealots really really really likes to lie. How long until we hear about the time he stopped a riot at a rap concert?

My money's on bipolar. I hear the lithium screaming.

Jr. Time Lord
8/29/2019 04:37:02 pm

The two of you need to quit snorting Preparation H, and Viagra. You're becoming even bigger Pricks with shrinking brains.

Kent
8/30/2019 12:45:34 pm

For someone with nothing better to do it would be interesting to speculate about the age at which you became fixated. For someone with nothing better to do.

Butt
It's HARD
Not to notice
That it's all poop and peepee with you.

This pretending you were a bouncer is a new twist but I've seen it with bipolars before and it's hardly your first made-up story.

Oh and how quickly the boys found him … all those sticky, tedious fumblings in the back seats of cars … Our Anthony wasn't born a criminal, Clarice. He was made one through years of systematic abuse. Anthony hates his own identity, you see, and he thinks that makes him a trans-sexual. Have the lithiums stopped screaming?

Now Anthony will push his edge in.


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