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Fringe Convergence: Giant Hunter Jim Vieira Goes in Search of Von Däniken's Pre-Flood Alien Gold in Ecuador

3/10/2016

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I have some happy news (I guess) to share: A short story of mine was just published in the Australian flash fiction anthology 100 Lightnings from Paroxysm Press. There is no link to buy it online in America yet. However, since it took more than four years for publisher to lurch from acceptance of the story to publication, I can barely remember what the story was or that it was even going to be published. So check it out… or don’t… I don’t get paid either way!
Today I have a couple of topics to discuss. First, regular readers will remember Gary Wayne, the Nephilim theorist who wrote the Genesis 6 Conspiracy and has an unhealthy obsession with the purity of bloodlines. On Facebook he shared a link to one of the chapters of his book, and I was taken aback by this bizarre couple of sentences:
Royal Scythians were the Ring Lords from the Transylvanian fairy race that spawned the Elven race of the Tuatha Denaan, which eventually migrated to Ireland sometime before 1000 B.C.E. Three key Dragon bloodlines came together in marriage from Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Edom (Amalekite/Horite) to found the Scythian Ring Lords, which later split into three more bloodlines sometime before 1100 B.C.E., forming the Fir Bolg, Milesians, and of course, the Tuatha Denaan.
Wayne went on to say that the Scythians also founded Sumer, and that all of these people are “Iranian” in origin. I could hardly begin to unpack this without going into hundreds or even thousands of words of explanation about just how wrong every word of it is, but suffice it to say that this is all in service of Wayne’s claims for survival of Nephilim after the Flood, claims he roots not just in the Bible but also in every bit of fringe history he can put his hands on, including Laurence Gardner’s ancient astronaut bloodlines, Theosophical frauds, and Romanian nationalist fictions about the origins of written language in Romania!
 
Finally today, over at ad-riddled fringe site Ancient Origins (now with paid membership option), April Holloway has an article about the convergence of several domains of fringe history in one deflating experience. According to Holloway, she and site owner Ioannis Syrigos have moved to Cuenca, Ecuador, which regular readers will remember is the alleged site of a fictitious “giant” skeleton allegedly discovered last year. (It was a poorly conceived hoax.) The pair previously had lived in Australia. Now ensconced in Cuenca, home to a large Anglo expatriate community, Syrigos and Holloway played host to our favorite giant-hunters, Jim Vieira and Hugh Newman, two of the stars of Search for the Lost Giants.
 
Holloway did not explain what brought the pair of giant hunters to Cuenca, but it probably has something to do with the “Megaliths, Gods, and Giants” tour of Peru and Bolivia that Newman has organized with fringe theorist Brien Foerster for November and which will feature Jim Vieira. Newman is a frequent participant in Foerster’s South American ancient mysteries tours, which run several times per year.
 
Anyway, while in Cuenca the fearsome foursome decided to investigate the “mystery” of Father Crespi, the Catholic priest from Cuenca who collected crude forgeries of Middle Eastern art and used them to suggest that Ecuador had been in contact with Mesopotamia in antediluvian times. Foerster and Newman use this “mystery” to promote their South American tours, and the story of the golden plates famously appeared in Erich von Däniken’s The Gold of the Gods (1972), where the crude images of flying snakes and Mesopotamian imagery caused a sensation.
 
As I described last year, the true nature of the two rooms of artifacts that comprised the Crespi collection in the 1970s was quickly revealed: In 1973, Juan Móricz, von Däniken’s guide in South America, told Der Spiegel that “although Crespi had previously collected much of value, today the genuine pieces are buried under a cacophony of crap. Most of the two rooms are stuffed to the ceiling with sheet metal” (my trans.). A certain Dr. Hartmann studied the plates and determined they were not gold or ancient but modern forgeries in tin and brass. Even von Däniken himself confessed—and this is important—in 1973 that “I do not know whether there is gold or not” in the Crespi collection (my trans.) despite having written of it as golden in his book. Instead, he said that Crespi seemed to believe that the objects were made of gold. Archaeologist Pino Turolla viewed the collection and concurred that it was made from base metals, and he found the artists who made the pieces and witnessed them in the act of creation. He even recognized one “ancient” artifact as a brass toilet bowl float. In the late 1970s, James Randi viewed the “ancient” artifacts and determined they were “scraps of tin cans, brass sheets, and copper strips […] mixed with piles of rusted chains, shards of armor, and bits of miscellaneous machinery.” Randi saw the toilet bowl float and found its “Made in Argentina” stamp.
 
There was exactly one gold object, which Randi said had been hammered flat from a genuine ancient piece to avoid antiquities laws, with a crude drawing of a pyramid stamped on it. That piece appeared in Gold of the Gods​.
 
Even though all of these accounts are easily accessible, and I myself collected them last year for easy reference, Holloway, Syrigos, Vieira, and Newman were completely ignorant of these findings (or pretended to be) and therefore went in search of the antediluvian plates as described by Erich von Däniken. This is because these investigators are soaked in fringe literature and never considered that mainstream news sources, archaeology books, or skeptical literature might have useful insights into their “mystery.”
 
I won’t belabor the summary. Our intrepid team discovered that after Crespi’s death, the Central Bank of Ecuador bought his collection of artifacts. The bank carefully preserved his genuine Ecuadoran archaeological material, collected early in his life, and quickly determined that the metal plates he collected in his dotage were a fraud. The sheet metal plates were dumped into one of the bank’s outbuildings, where Holloway and her team viewed them. “We were shocked – the metallic plates and artifacts were strewn all over the floor, thrown in cardboard boxes, and gathered in miscellaneous piles. It was clear that no value was ascribed to these plates.”
 
The team correctly concluded that the pieces in question were crude forgeries, but then Holloway, in her ignorance of earlier eyewitness accounts, tries to gin up more of a mystery:
But… there still remains a number of unanswered questions – where are the artifacts that were photographed and filmed in the 1970s consisting of gold carvings, hieroglyphs, and Sumerian figures?  Why aren’t they anywhere to be seen in the Central Bank of Ecuador’s storage rooms? Were they authentic? And if so, what is their significance?  
Recall that von Däniken himself conceded that he never confirmed there was any gold, and Randi found only one gold piece, itself mangled from an ancient artifact in recent years. All the other witnesses identified the gold-colored objects as brass. Given these facts, we can make an educated guess about where the “gold” plates went. Rusty sheet metal has virtually no value, so it was dumped in storage and forgotten. Brass and copper, however, have scrap value. Any real gold hammered into forgeries was likely melted down since we know that the bank had concluded the pieces were modern forgeries. If I had to guess, I’d say that the Central Bank most likely sold or melted the brass down for scrap to recoup some of the money spent in purchasing the Crespi collection. Obviously, without records to that effect (and here our Ancient Origins team might have put their time to good use asking for such records), there’s no way to prove it, but since there is not a single observer who confirmed that there was ever more than a small amount of gold present, we have no reason to agree with Holloway that there much of a “mystery” of missing gold, or to concur with her final claim that “we are no closer to finding the answers.” The answers have been available since the 1970s to anyone willing to do the research.
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Scott Hamilton
3/10/2016 11:25:33 am

As I remember Gold of the Gods, wasn't there supposed to be a cave system with artifacts? Shouldn't that be of more interest to people like Viera?

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Kal
3/10/2016 11:27:54 am

It seems the first person is inaccurately cribbing from the Tolkien books like The Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit, and the Silmarillian.

Elf lords, dwarf lords, giant lords (orcs maybe), and man lords, with rings of power...okay.

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Clete
3/10/2016 12:36:00 pm

I know where the ancient gold artifacts are hidden. Just find the team from "Hunting Hitler". I am sure that Adolph Hitler, after escaping from his bunker in Berlin, traveled to South America, found the gold and hid it in the jungles waiting for the day when he could emerge to begin the fourth reich.

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DaveR
3/10/2016 12:53:56 pm

I heard he went to Argentina, of course he could have flown one of his Nazi zeppelins to Ecuador.

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anon
3/12/2016 11:01:38 am

...where he caught the Illuminati subterranean shuttle to the Antarctic, and ended his days in a bunker watching old films of his speeches and the Kennedy assassination taken from a never-before-seen angle....

Time Machine
3/10/2016 12:54:35 pm

>>> found the Scythian Ring Lords, which later split into three more bloodlines sometime before 1100 B.C.E., forming the Fir Bolg, Milesians, and of course, the Tuatha Denaan.<<<

Good grief --- here's something similar...

Dirk Vander Ploeg, "Quest For Middle-Earth" (iUniverse-Indigo, 2007)

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Shane Sullivan
3/10/2016 02:19:30 pm

It sounds like Gary Wayne is sketching a severely jumbled version of the Lebor Gabala Erenn, which does claim Scythian heritage for the Tuatha and Fir Bolg (Descendents of Nemed), and Scythian-Egyptian heritage for the Gaels.

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Jean Stone
3/10/2016 04:38:01 pm

Are we sure Wayne isn't taking the piss? That sounds like someone's terrible Lord of the Rings fanfiction. And why stop at just Scythian Ring Lords? They'd need to be Time Lords as well to do things like found Sumer thousands of years before Scythia existed in any recognizable sense. And if one of these 'dragon bloodlines' that they're descended from came from Mesopotamia, would that mean they have to exist in two points of time simultaneously in order to found a civilization that founded their civilization and oh look I've gone cross-eyed trying to sort out the anti-logic. Clearly, this is a LotR/Doctor Who fanfic that's gotten out of hand.

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Only Me
3/10/2016 04:50:52 pm

I just want to know if these Ring Lords created onion rings. If so, I salute them.

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Pacal
3/10/2016 08:41:10 pm

Jason you mention:

"Wayne went on to say that the Scythians also founded Sumer, and that all of these people are “Iranian” in origin."

First of all the Scythians didn't exist c. 3500 B.C.E. and so could not create the Sumerian civilization. Secondly the Sumerian language is not related to any known language and is definitely not an Indo-European language which it would be if the speakers of Sumerian were of "Iranian" ancestry.

Also this idea ignores more recent developments in the study of the Sumerians. It appears from the earliest known writings that Sumerian civilization was a bilingual one divided between speakers of Sumerian and speakers of the Semitic language called Akkadian. It is interesting to note that there is little indication in the records of any animosity or rivalry between the speakers of Sumerian and Akkadian. In fact they seem to have viewed themselves as in some sense one people.

Recent studies seem to indicate that in the later half of 3rd millennium B.C.E. (2500- 2000 B.C.E.), Sumerian was in terms of everyday use in rapid decline. So that by 2000 B.C.E. it had all but disappeared has a language of everyday use although it continued to have a long survival has a sacred language used by priests.

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Jason Colavito link
3/10/2016 08:48:17 pm

If I read Wayne correctly, he seems to think that the Scythians go back into mythic prehistory because they appear as such in Greek mythology. The Scythian language is an Eastern Iranian language, and therefore Indo-European. I confess to not reading enough of Wayne's book to understand exactly how he sees Scythians as being able to give rise to Sumer, particularly after the rest of the paragraph made so little sense.

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Kenneth Workman
3/11/2016 09:18:57 pm

I know of an Indian burial mound that was also used by the white settlers and ended up burying whites on top of the mound.
The site is on old Hwy 31 6 Miles north of Plymouth and about a 1/4 mile south of the Tri way Dirve-in theater. Its call the Fairmont Cemetery. There is a very sizable borrow pit to the north which became a swamp which has since dried. I grew up across the road from this place and there is something not right there or across the road where a church did stand. Our family endured many un-natural things in that house. The church was burned in the 1920-30s. Why would someone burn a church. The Pastors wife, I was told by Mrs. Dinkledine.who live all her life, now was 90+ and lived in
Tyner. I assumed she has passed and is the only one who know the full story. Old St. hwy 31 is on a lay line from Indianapolis to South Bend. The Indians new of these line and their power and buried their dead there on them. The first white person buried there was a white girl who died of a disease at a very young age. The parents asked the local Indians if the could bury their daughter there. They were fro this micro town of Linkville, aprox. 4-5 miles to the east of the grave yard.
Marshall County is littered with mounds. I would love to team with a person who has ground penetrating radar to see what is Glacial Spill
and what is Indian burial. I respect all State and Federal laws regarding Indian sites and burial mounds. Knowing where they are will protect them and preserve them from looting.

I have also been told that the Mid-West Indian tribes banded together to wage war on the giants because of food sources. The Giant Indians, as they were called, ate a lot and destroyed the food supply. The Great Indian tribes wiped them out but at great cost in lives.

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Christine Erikson link
3/13/2016 11:35:54 am

the Giant Indians ate a lot of PEOPLE. that's why they were snuffed out. cannibalism is reported regarding sasquatch occasionally to more recent times, and there is a cluster of disappearances in the national forest system that parallels sasquatch turf. however, it also parallels UFO and underground bunker reports to some extent, so is probably a mix of causes. google david paulides

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Exaterressial Assonaut
3/13/2016 11:45:58 am

I've got a gold toilet float I will sell you. It's ancient. It is stamped with 1928. I found it under the Brooklyn bridge right after I bought the bridge from this guy. He used the money to invest in a warehouse of snake-oil. He was going to go on the road and sell it and therefore couldn't take care of the bridge any longer. I can't either.

Anyone want to buy my bridge?

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titus pullo
3/14/2016 09:47:42 am

The Central Bank of Equador bought this crap? You have to wonder why a central bank whose responsibilities are to keep prices stable I guess when they hear of gold they have to get it less allow citizens to decide what money is not the central planners. This just plays into the conspiracy folks who think central bankers are up to no good. Then again given their historical record....maybe they are..ha ha

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