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Fringe History and Its Cultural Connection to the 2016 American Election

11/9/2016

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​When Donald J. Trump was elected president of the United States last night, politicians, pollsters, and pundits all wondered how they had been so terribly wrong about the intentions of the electorate. The explanations ranged from the technical—incorrect weighting of poll responses—to the systemic—blindness to small town and rural Americans. Watching the election coverage last night, one could see on the blanching faces of the pundits and analysts the exact moment they realized that Trump was on track to win. It was probably at 9:00 PM, when Minnesota and Wisconsin came in as too close to call when polls said they never should have been competitive.
Here in Albany, New York, a heavily Democratic region, the mood on the street was grim. In my admittedly small part of the world, people out and about this morning were ashen-faced and upset, though part of that is likely due to the cold, rainy weather. One group, however, was not. The working class white men already at work in the early hours of this morning were excited.
 
“Say good-bye to your Obamacare for me,” one supermarket shelf-stocker said to an African-American colleague, only half in jest. She responded, “Why do you always have to call it Obamacare? It’s the Affordable Care Act, and it doesn’t apply to us because we get health care from the company.”
 
A group of construction workers were equally excited. “I don’t like liars,” one said to his colleagues between puffs on a cigarette. “All the politicians, they’re always lying.” Oblivious to irony, he praised Trump for speaking the “truth.” “He says what I’m thinking about the country.”
 
At the local barbershop where I get my hair cut, conversation turned to the election at opening time, but didn’t stay there. They seemed to realize that it wasn’t possible to talk rationally about what happened. The barbershop has a mix of white, black, and Latino barbers and an a diverse, if plurality white, clientele. They switched CNN off the TV, and the barbershop went uncharacteristically silent.
 
Many pundits this morning noted that the Trump coalition was composed of four partially overlapping demographic groups: white people, men, older adults, and those without a college education. I want to point out that this is also the exact demographic audience for fringe history, especially the fringe history offered on channels like History. (The demographics of History Channel viewers are 75% male, almost all white, mostly over 50, and on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum.) I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Fringe history has been the canary in the coal mine, foretelling what was to come.
 
Let us leave aside that, in my admittedly unscientific survey, a majority of American (citizen or resident) fringe historians, conspiracy theorists, “white genocide” Solutrean believers, and Nephilim hunters, openly or tacitly supported Trump, including Alex Jones, L. A. Marzulli, Steve Quayle, David Wilcock, Scotty Roberts, J. Hutton Pulitzer, John de Nugent, etc. The most prominent to oppose Trump was probably Giorgio Tsoukalos, an admitted liberal, who tweeted (sort of) support for Hillary Clinton.
 
It is, to my mind, hardly a coincidence that the current wave of fringe history began in the spring of 2009, with the launch of Ancient Aliens just three months after Barack Obama, the nation’s first African American president, took office. It was followed by Holy Grail in America that same year, a show about pre-Columbian European colonization of America, which served as a test run for America Unearthed and helped to inspire Curse of Oak Island and other similar shows that seek to extend the depth of time white people have rule America.  Other fringe history documentaries had aired in similar timeslots on similar channels and failed to resonate, but these did gangbusters business right in time to capture the reaction against the cosmopolitan, globalized world that Obama represented.
 
Fringe history is not about the past. It is about the present, and about our culture today. It always has been, from the early days when it served to justify imperialism and colonialism and slavery, to more recent times when it represents a fantasy version of history where selected groups get to imagine a glorious history in which they earned the divine right to power and prestige over other groups. Today’s fringe history, as sold in the media, is about appealing to a certain segment of white Americans’ longing for a history that places them at the center of world history, in command of events, in control of America, and in touch with the divine. The media are amoral, and the fact that so many shows and books promote these narratives speaks to the media’s calculation that it represents a core of white Americans’ psyches.
 
I erred in trying to contextualize this by suggesting that the 1 to 6 million people who watch any given show are a vanishingly small percentage of the American population. But the fact is that if the media thought there were an audience for an opposing narrative, it would be on TV. It isn’t. This should tell us where the culture outside of the elite currently sits. I don’t have any way of knowing, but my feeling is that the audience for shows about fringe history, cryptozoology, ghost-hunting, and other pseudoscience on TV doesn’t overlap as much as I once thought, and a larger number of people have at least some exposure to the different branches of bad ideas and their cultural messages.
 
Last week, I was talking with a contractor, the American-born son of Eastern European immigrants, and he asked about my work. I described some of my books, and he said that he loves the History Channel, especially Curse of Oak Island. The interesting thing is that he wasn’t able to recall the name of the show, or to differentiate it from America Unearthed or Ancient Aliens, with which he had gotten parts of it confused. What he did remember clearly, though, is that it was about how all the different Europeans came to America before Columbus and how the real history of Europeans in America was being suppressed. By whom? I asked. He didn’t know. It was just something the TV said. He wasn’t even really aware of any of the implications of the messages these programs send, but something about them just resonated, at an almost subconscious level.
 
Since that was depressing, I thought I might end on a humorous note. The Daily Mail published an absolutely awful article by Shivali Best about the scientific study that claims the Santorini eruption of 1600 BCE set off devastating tsunamis through pyroclastic flow. The article tries to tie this event to the destruction of Atlantis and makes two ridiculous claims. The first is that Atlantis is “one of the oldest myths of mankind.” This is ridiculous since it dates back only to the time of Plato, around 360 BCE, younger than the Iliad or the Odyssey. The second, in a sidebar, is a laughable example of circular logic revolving around the Minoan settlement of Akrotiri on Santorini: “Assuming that Atlantis was actually Akrotiri, means that the island was actually the lost Atlantis.” Well, yes, if I assume that writer Shivali Best is actually a chatbot that generates randomized word salad for articles, then that would also mean Best is actually a chatbot. Q.E.D. 
73 Comments
DaveR
11/9/2016 11:24:49 am

Assuming Oak Island was Atlantis and didn't sink, but was pushed across the Atlantic, then Oak Island is Atlantis. Residents of Atlantis had enough time to dig a deep pit in which they stored their precious artifacts and knowledge before they sailed East on ships made from corn stalks bound to pumpkins. They landed in Ireland and became what we know as Druids.

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Time Machine
11/10/2016 10:01:05 am

The Founding Fathers rejected the pseudo-histories of the Bible.

Unlike the person who runs this Blog, a devout Roman Catholic who criticises Graham Hancock, Scott Wolter, and EVD.

Jason Colavito is a Christian fundamentalist.

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THIS COLAVITO BLOG
11/10/2016 10:02:45 am

NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE HOMEPAGE THAT IT IS BIBLICAL APOLOGETIC AGAINST GRAHAM HANCOCK, SCOTT WOLTER, AND ERICH VON DANIKEN

DaveR
11/10/2016 11:18:05 am

What do any of your posts have to do with my quasi joke? I know a post of yours was deleted yesterday, but Jason has every right do that because this is HIS blog. This is not your blog, or the website of any government. If you want to post anything you want, create your own blog. You have the right of free speech. Go out an a street corner and tell everybody who passes you by about your views.

BIBLICAL BELIEF VERSUS PSEUDO HISTORY
11/10/2016 10:06:12 am

THIS BLOG
BIBLICAL BELIEF VERSUS PSEUDO HISTORY

COME BACK, KATHLEEN

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Shane Sullivan
11/10/2016 02:12:20 pm

I believe it's spelled "good night Irene".

Easy mistake.

AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE
11/10/2016 10:08:16 am

AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE WAS NOT BASED ON CHRISTIAN VALUES

AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE REJECTED THE BIBLE

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AMERICAN BILL OF RIGHTS
11/10/2016 10:14:22 am

THIS BLOG IS AGAINST THE BILL OF RIGHTS

NO FREE SPEECH
MESSAGES GET DELETED

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Kathleen
11/10/2016 10:26:26 am

Please! Take that racket outside!

The Kathleen Syndrome
11/10/2016 10:28:01 am

COME ON KATHLEEN.,

DOWN ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY TO YOUR GOD

AND BELIEVE IN YOUR PSEUDO-HISTORIES

Kathleen
11/10/2016 02:50:02 pm

I have some warm cookies. Have one. I promise you that by the time you finish the cookie you'll feel right as rain.

DaveR
11/10/2016 03:43:29 pm

I had some brownies like that once.

An Over-Educated Grunt
11/10/2016 11:08:46 am

You do realize that free speech restricts the government from silencing you, and that by definition a private individual is not a government agency, right? This isn't jasoncolavito.gov. It's jasoncolavito.com.

And as long as you're going to spout nonsense, the founding fathers included a hell of a lot of Virginia planters for a group of folks who outright rejected the Bible. They might not have been pious but religion was a social requirement. That they had the forward thought to refuse establishment of a government religion did not mean they rejected religion, but that they believed, rightly so, that it had no place in government.

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Harold Edwards
11/9/2016 11:56:38 am

I am 70 years old. All my life I have been a liberal. Most of my life I have been disappointed by the lack of progress our society needs to make. That is the fate of being a liberal. Our job is to take the human race by the scruff of the neck and drag it kicking and screaming into the Twenty Second Century, whether it wants to go or not. Expect to be disappointed.

Learning to think logically takes training and effort. A good place to start is to reduce the amount of advertising people are exposed to. Most advertising is lying crap intended to deceive. It subtly conditions people to tolerate junk views. It is the primary training tool for delusional thinking. It is motivated by greed. We need to find ways to reduce the total amount of advertising people are exposed to and to force its purveyors to be more truthful. We need to do that without destroying their First Amendment rights, since we depend on using these rights ourselves.

Our atmosphere has just passed the 400 parts per million level for carbon dioxide. I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota. We now have the warmest November temperatures on record. We have more than 150 years of records. To date we have not had a frost for this year. Most years our first frost is in September. Our planet is heading for ruin.

We have work to do.

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Noben
11/12/2016 02:49:11 am

First amendment's importance is way overblown. With a true, progressive government it wouldn't be needed. More so it would be a hindrance to keeping lies and hate from spreading. Freedom of speech is just a tool, not a value on itself.

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El Cid
11/9/2016 12:22:23 pm

I personally would be with admitting I was wrong to be a skeptic if only all those wise benevolent ancient astronauts would return and help us to govern ourselves because we apparently have some very strange ideas about what that means.

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El Cid
11/9/2016 12:23:50 pm

"would be okay with"

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DaveR
11/9/2016 02:50:13 pm

I would be okay with admitting I was wrong of the aliens gave me a super suit like in "The Greatest American Hero."

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THE JESUS CHRIST
11/10/2016 10:05:17 am

BUT THIS IS A JESUS CHRIST BLOG
THE PERSON WHO RUNS IT CRITICISES "PSEUDO-HISTORY" BUT EMBRACES THE MYTHOLOGY OF THE BIBLE.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS SECTARIANISM

BIBLICAL BELIEF VERSUS PSEUDO HISTORY

Kathleen
11/10/2016 10:16:22 am

JC, Please! Use your indoor voice!

The Kathleen Syndrome
11/10/2016 10:29:17 am

Yeah - JC = JASON COLAVITO

JC = JESUS CHRIST

WELL MATCHED

DaveR
11/10/2016 11:24:49 am

Hi Jesus,
May I call you Jesus, or should I use the more formal Mr. Christ? Either way, why didn't you make me rich, and what does you post have to do with mine? I eagerly await your reply. Thanks, Dave.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
11/10/2016 09:48:44 pm

Once again, you accuse anybody who disagrees with you of being a Bible-basher. I'm not, V isn't, and I don't think Jason has ever discussed his religious views one way or the other.

GEE Torresso
11/9/2016 01:09:32 pm

Thank you Jason. I agree El Cid.

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Tom
11/9/2016 01:46:24 pm

Without the gross media attention you have in the US today, we in Britain have already been through the delusional juvenile phase of believing god was exclusively on our side
We found out the hard way that Jerusalem was not built here!

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edoardo
11/9/2016 02:06:26 pm

Hi from Italy,sometimes I wrote here some months ago and sorry, I can prove it,I m one of the only here in Italy who predict Trump victory.The reasons?????Very simple mr Trump,money apart,is the classic american,about 70% of your citizens are exactly as mr Donald,do not be surprised or angry,it s your nature.I know we had Berlusconi but believe me,women apart,is much better at least he never had nuclear codes

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Jason Colavito link
11/9/2016 02:28:46 pm

Trump is the classic cartoon of the ugly American. But Italy is far from innocent. In my grandparents' living memory your country elected Mussolini. My grandfather had to fight for America against the Axis, which included Italy, where his own distant relatives fought for Mussolini, though fortunately not on the same battlefields. You currently have a Northern League that has, within even my living memory, actively sought to destroy Italy through breaking the country apart. Every country has its progressive and regressive forces, and Italy is no different.

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DaveR
11/9/2016 02:54:11 pm

If you came to America and spent any length of time here you would quickly discover 70% of us are NOTHING like Donald Trump. I lived in Italy for two years and I know 70% of Italians are NOTHING like Mr. Berlusconi.

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Bob Jase
11/9/2016 02:55:39 pm

I await Chancellor Trump's removal of all ancient illegal aliens from the US Reich.

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DaveR
11/9/2016 03:17:19 pm

I hope it doesn't get that bad, but Trump's already monumental ego has now gone intergalactic.

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Kathleen
11/10/2016 03:11:43 pm

So if DT decided to expel all the illegal AAs he would have to build a really big dome to take care of the issue. Who is he going to get to pay for THAT?! And what kind of trade agreements will he have to make to import potable water and air? Curiouser and curiouser...

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DaveR
11/10/2016 03:45:29 pm

I guess he would have to build some kind of sphere around the planet, like the one enveloping planet Druidia. Maybe he can get the Spaceballs to pay for the sphere.

Shane Sullivan
11/10/2016 05:45:11 pm

Nixon did that in an episode of Futurama.

Exaterressial Assonaut
11/14/2016 05:24:40 am

He'll just build a Dyson Sphere. Nothing major, just a little old Dyson Sphere.

Kal
11/9/2016 03:52:42 pm

I was going to go on at length about this bizarre election last night, but it is typical of two old sayings often attributed to events in WW2.

"If we do not learn from history, we will repeat it." Churchill was not first to say it, but someone centuries before him.

"If you tell a lie long enough, people will believe it." Hitler was not first to put it in his book, but he said it.

GOP wigs are thinking now, 'what have we created? What have we done?'. That is also what fictional Dr. Frankenstein said about the monster.

Dems are baffled partly because they didn't see it coming, and spent too much time making fun of the scandals, and not enough balls to the wall campaigning. They assumed a free ride after the debates.

Several women voters were ecstatic that the Donald won, and that somehow he will fix America, just like how another party was promised change and fixing it before. (The GOP stonewalled the Obama years),

The educated young people that voted in Obama had run to Bernie Sanders, but when he lost, did not go and vote, when they should have voted for what the GOP called 'crooked Hillary'.

The Donald will 'say it like it is' but flip flop and say 'didn't say that', and he will make the same promises Bill, Barak and George did. Whether or not he delivers is up for debate.

I am annoyed that the feminist movement could not trust Hillary enough to vote for her, over the Donald who is clearly not pro women at all.

The Dems didn't win because of trust. That is really bizarre.

The Donald ironically is a rich person of the at least 15 percent highest richest people, and is not an 'every man for the folks' at all, and is pro big business.

The middle class just voted for the...establishment.

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DaveR
11/9/2016 03:59:10 pm

I believe it was the German manufacturing elite that helped Adolph Hitler get into power because he was talking about expanding the military and starting massive social works programs like the Autobahn, and these programs meant lots of money for them, but they also felt they could control him once he was in power.

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Graham
11/9/2016 09:28:13 pm

Kal, I actually think you hit the nail on the head in one aspect. The Left got so caught up in 'identity politics' that they could not unify when it mattered and so they lost.

Combine that with a constant drip, drip, drip from certain segments of the Left that all the worlds problems can be laid at the feet of the 'white male' and you have the ingredients for the mess that has resulted.

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Kuroda
11/9/2016 09:33:10 pm

Jason, you rock.

...

Don't, at this moment, know what to add, really.

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Frank Johnson
11/9/2016 10:44:56 pm

Good observations.

Maybe we.should get together and do a book of frimge history that says the ancient texts predicted trump would restore America to her white atlantean.roots. it'd be a.best seller.

Then we can uae that.money to debunk nonsense fulltime.

Just a thought...

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Uncle Ron
11/9/2016 11:25:06 pm

This was the Democrat's election to lose. If they had run any decent candidate they could have wiped the floor with Trump; but they chose a charisma-free woman who has been embroiled in a series of legal, moral, and ethical scandals ever since the early 1990s. They have no one to blame but themselves.

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terry the censor
11/11/2016 08:30:09 pm

@Uncle Ron

From where I'm looking, up here in Canada, I'd say you're right about Hillary.

Hillary had a fine start as an high achiever and a liberal, especially her early advocacy for the legal rights of children (she published influential academic papers in the 1970s). Early in Bill's administration, she led an unsuccessful push for health care reform -- well ahead of her time. There's a lot more like that too.

But her naked ambition might have turned people off (why run for Senate in NY, when she came from Chicago, was educated in New England, and entered politics in Arkansas, unless knowingly setting up a toehold in the electoral college?). She measured which way the wind was blowing and voted to invade Iraq. She was very friendly with Wall Street despite the recent Great Recession, presumably because she needed to fund her run for the White House. Despite early reservations about NAFTA, she flip-flopped about TPP.

She is not charismatic at all, but neither is she off-putting (I think of Ann Coulter). She was involved in scandals, but Bill and Trump are popular despite their transgressions. So I wonder if Democrats just saw Hillary as too calculated, never knowing if she meant anything she said, in glaring contrast to Bernie, Obama and Michelle...and so some DEMs just stayed home on Tuesday,

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what Trump does. He is appalling but is no friend of the GOP either. Prediction: Trump will fight like crazy with Congress. He will solicit DEM votes to pass lobbyist and trade reform -- enraging the RNC. Trump will crush any GOP House speaker who goes against him. He will either appoint the worst cabinet in history or, just as likely, shock his apologists by shutting them out in favour of actual experts (I think it's a coin flip)

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Yogi Bear
11/10/2016 02:07:16 am

Jason. You better start laying off those picnic baskets with the fruit cakes. They're also making you fat, Not being healthy isn't smart, or in your case, is it?

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Brian
11/10/2016 07:39:16 am

And I'll say it again, you seem to be the only one publicly tying these things together. This fringe stuff has an audience because it shores up core racist beliefs.

I also live in upstate NY, in the reddest of red counties, which voted overwhelmingly for Trump. Economically depressed, yes, but their anger isn't about that, because those parroting it are doing just fine. They're employed, they have health insurance through their jobs, most of them have been in their jobs for 10-20+ years, even though most of them never went to college. They hate people on welfare but think corporations should get tax breaks and incentives, and when their own parents go on unemployment, that's not "welfare." They're mostly very, very racist despite our very low ethnic diversity; even the women are pretty sexist. They've also been told Hillary is a liar for 25+ years, and even though she was our senator and brought lots of money to our communities, they despise her for being Hillary.

I have to wonder about the seemingly innate Anglo-Saxon fear of people who aren't pasty pale. We basically rule the world and have for several centuries - why are we so scared all the time? Is it just tv propaganda? Is it nervous-emperor syndrome?

I'm too exhausted and shocked by Tuesday to think about this anymore. I've never held a very high opinion of our species, but I thought better of them than this. We are primates who evidently enjoy periodic insanity and chaos, as real history demonstrates. So I guess the only answer is to try to carve out a comfortable little individual niche for ourselves and just sit back and watch the show.

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Tom
11/10/2016 08:55:09 am

Trump is living the American Dream wealth, a beautiful wife, a family man, taking on the Establishment and winning (Mr Smith goes to Washington) and now the ultimate accolade, the Presidency.
It is hardly surprising that many think he will succeed in "making America Great again" though in my 69 years there has never been a moment when America was not great.
Perhaps I missed something?

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DaveR
11/10/2016 11:23:07 am

He'll be a family man until she gets sick of him, like his other two wives did, and she'll leave him, just like they did, but he'll already have a younger model in the wings, so to speak.

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Mike Morgan
11/10/2016 02:41:49 pm

(Disclaimer: I am among the minority who read and appreciate this blog - I am a non Young Earther born again Christian with moderate conservative leanings. I have voted for the Republican candidate for President for the preceding 11 election cycles. This time, with the choices presented, I abstained from voting for POTUS. I wanted to cast a write in vote for the president of baseball operations for the Chicago Cubs, Theo Epstein, but my state, Missouri, does not allow a write in on the ballot.)

Paraphrasing Stephen Colbert from his monologue last night, a day after the election: This is what it feels like when America's made great again, and I was hoping it would feel better, because this SUUUUUCKS!

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E.P. Grondine
11/10/2016 11:02:10 am

Hi Brian -

"They've also been told Hillary is a liar for 25+ years, and even though she was our senator and brought lots of money to our communities, they despise her for being Hillary."

May I suggest to you spending part of the next four years checking out Newt Gingrich's attack machine, Judicial Watch, and the billionaires who financed it?

Aside from that Michael Moore's piece on "why Trump will win" is pretty informative. In it, he argues that Trump directly addressed a significant number of peoples' legitimate gripes.

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Kal
11/10/2016 12:00:01 pm

The irony of the Trump presidency is that the guy is an elite, isn't going to be able to deliver on all those promises, and if he was able to, would utterly undo 65 years of history.

The feeling that we white middle class people have been duped into this is strong, and that we have created a Godzilla like creature to destroy the very rights we hold true.

It is funny that yesterday they officially closed his Twitter account, but being that he has an ego like no other, he will make another one, or eventually do something so nuts you all will think we must have voted in an alien from space as President.

The joke channels and liberal web sites are going full PSTD mode and are baffled, but some of them know they also contributed.

The overt fear mongering is more recent, starting with 2001.

It doesn't make America great to know we've voted for the type of guy foolish starry eyed people, men or women, vote for when they have no idea what is going on and don't care. But they're mad about something! Yep. This doesn't really help.

As for the uppercase shouting blog troll, he evidently doesn't read these blogs. This web site is far from fundamentalist and is quite loose and free about actual religion.

Do not feed the trolls. Trump will do that for us.

What have we done?

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edoardo
11/10/2016 04:07:14 pm

Trump is the classic cartoon of the ugly American.

Sorry NO a cartoon is Homer Simpson
Trump IS the classic American,mostly of you are like Donald DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU LIKE OR NOT sorry but is sadly true just few like Sanders Bernie or write on this blog

Italy is far from innocent. In my grandparents' living memory your country elected Mussolini

BIG MISTAKE NO ONE VOTED MUSSOLINI! !

He had the power by Golpe whitout Election! My grandfather had to fight for America against the Axis, which included Italy

Yes fine very well I know history of my country better than you but we are talking about 80 years ago now stop please and think about G.W Bush and Weapons mass distruction of Saddam Hussein and his (G.W.Bush)criminal actions in middle east with ISIS as result of your behavoir ,cradle of democracy.

You currently have a Northern League that has, within even my living memory, actively sought to destroy Italy through breaking the country apart.

Sorry but believe me NL is and was significat in Italian policy as American Comunist Party in UsA
Easier a Comunist as President of USA than NL dangerous for Italy
Any country has its progressive and regressive forces, and Italy is no different.

Sorry USA had in the last 50 years only regressive action,you and the rest of the world are poorest due to application of American way of life,only few extremely rich and millions of desperates,take away food from a african Child and give it to the fifth dog of Bill Gates....it is so American...

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Roxana
11/10/2016 04:55:49 pm

Are you saying ONLY white folks are into faux history and archaeology? That's not what I see.

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A.D.
11/12/2016 03:50:51 am

No afrocentrist are also into pseudo history.Both and whites and blacks are racist stealing native history and nobody blinks an eye about it.

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Sanka
11/13/2016 04:01:16 am

There is a big diference between afrocentrism and white supremacy, ok? Context is everything. People walking with transparents saying that black lives matter aren't the same as hate grups walking around with ones which say that white lives matter. Afrocentrism is about looking for a deeper, spiritual link to the past that was taken away from people of color by their oppressors. False history perpetuated by white supremacists like trump supporters is all about asserting their dominance.

A.D.
11/13/2016 06:09:34 pm

Afrocentrism is black supremacy using pseudo science and lies to assert superiority.Afrocentrism is Eurocentrism in black face.Both are stealing other peoples history which doesn't belong to either of them.

Americanegro
11/13/2016 07:13:10 pm

Ghana is not Egypt. Afrocentrism can suck it.

Residents Fan
11/10/2016 07:31:46 pm

Kal:
" I was going to go on at length about this bizarre election last night, but it is typical of two old sayings often attributed to events in WW2.

"If we do not learn from history, we will repeat it." Churchill was not first to say it, but someone centuries before him. "

It was George Santayana who said something similar: "“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" in his book
"The Life of Reason".
http://www.iep.utm.edu/santayan/

As someone who has befriended numerous wonderful Americans during my life, Jason and other Americans have my deepest sympathy.

Trump isn't fit to run a summer lemonade stand, let alone the most powerful nation on earth. The spectacle of desperate men voting for for a Wall Street billionaire thinking he was "anti-establishment" would be funny if it didn't have such hideous consequences. A friend gave the pithy view that "Trump will resemble Herbert Hoover if we're lucky, or Augusto Pinochet if we're not."

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Joe Scales
11/11/2016 12:10:00 am

Generation Snowflake is told for the very first time that they can't have a cookie. Tantrums ensue...

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Residents Fan
11/11/2016 01:51:38 pm

Ah yes. I'm sure the black people who saw their church burned down by a Trump supporter are weak little snowflakes who can't handle a bit of non-PC japery:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11/02/vote-trump-painted-on-wall-of-burned-out-black-church-in-mississippi/

Or the teenage girl who was pepper-sprayed and called a" goddamn communist n****r-lover, get the hell out of here!” Where's her sense of humour? Another PC snowflake!

"http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/30/cops-teen-sexually-assaulted-pepper-sprayed-called-n-ger-lover-at-trump-rally.html

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Americanegro
11/13/2016 07:11:49 pm

Tawana Brawley says what?

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
11/11/2016 08:50:42 pm

Trump throws a tantrum every time his ego is slightly bruised, and you're blaming millennials for having a fit?

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Joe Scales
11/12/2016 12:53:39 am

Having been around some time, I'm rather used to having my preferred candidate lose an election. I've never felt the need to shut down traffic or burn a city over it. You can't win 'em all you know.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
11/12/2016 01:41:20 am

Trump isn't an ordinary candidate; he's the least qualified president in US history, and his campaign has inspired a wave of xenophobia. That said, I think the protests are a bit premature. The time to protest is when his incompetence and erratic temperament cause a disaster. I don't think we'll have long to wait.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
11/12/2016 07:48:55 pm

Plus, although the votes aren't fully tallied yet, it looks like Clinton won the popular vote by a larger margin than any losing presidential candidate except Jackson in 1824 and Tilden in 1876, both elections in which the presidency was decided by fishy backroom political deals. Trump may be constitutionally elected, but he truly is not the president the people chose.

Joe Scales
11/13/2016 10:26:38 am

The more partisan you are, the more likely you are to embrace intellectual dishonesty. Case in point? Consider what would have been your argument had Clinton lost the popular vote, but won the electoral college. You'd be giving me a civics lesson on the importance of the Constitutional electoral process. But please don't mistake me for a partisan over this point. I simply made a glib remark which wasn't likely to play well here. Hope some could find the humor though.

Residents Fan
11/13/2016 12:57:03 pm

"Case in point? Consider what would have been your argument had Clinton lost the popular vote, but won the electoral college. You'd be giving me a civics lesson on the importance of the Constitutional electoral process."

1) Joe, how do you know what the NtCdSG thinks about the Electoral College?

2) Several American progressives having been calling for the removal of the Electoral College for years, including Daniel Lazare, who's been critical of the EC since the Clinton Administration. The fact that
that the EC just elected a sexual-harassing racist liar in spite of the
Hilary Clinton got the most votes simply confirms this long-held analysis.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
11/13/2016 03:50:38 pm

I've always thought the Electoral College was stupid. If Clinton had won it but not the popular vote, I'd be saying that the Electoral College did at least save us from the least qualified president in American history, but it's still stupid and should be abolished.

It's difficult for me to find humor in this situation any more, particularly jokes that target a demographic that overwhelmingly voted against this disaster.

Americanegro
11/13/2016 07:10:22 pm

"Trump throws a tantrum every time his ego is slightly bruised, and you're blaming millennials for having a fit?"

We blame them because we can't shoot them. Or retroactively abort them.

Joe Scales
11/13/2016 10:45:41 pm

"It's difficult for me to find humor in this situation any more, particularly jokes that target a demographic that overwhelmingly voted against this disaster."

Only the ones ignorant enough to believe they were going to get free college and no debt. The youth haven't yet had their hearts broken by the empty promises of politicians. Ah, to be young...

TheGrim
11/11/2016 03:40:36 am

So true Jason stay out of politics. You are a know it all arrogant ass. You were supporting a corrupt crook clinton. That bitch wants unfettered abortion of children up to birth.

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john (the other one)
11/11/2016 08:23:05 am

It's amazing how you just managed to say at least 4 things that were incorrect in such a small amount of text. Can anyone spot more than 4?

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Kathleen
11/11/2016 09:53:40 am

My 4th Grade Grammar teacher is spinning in her grave.

Americanegro
11/13/2016 07:07:54 pm

It's fringe science and lazy thinking to relate everything or even one's current hustle or hobby to the latest election.

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Gwendolyn Taormina
11/14/2016 12:23:08 am

I am very grateful to have found this site.I'm a former Ancient Aliens fan.I loved the show until it became more ridiculous and absurd. Somewhere in my high school educated brain was a little critical thinker waiting to come out.Please continue to educate the uneducated. I may have ended up like one of the people in the movie , "Idiocracy".
I no longer watch these pseudo science programs I think they just dumb down Society.Thank you.

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JA Sterling
11/14/2016 11:07:32 am

Just now catching up on my reading: as usual a great blog post… I totally agree, for what value my opinion may hold, that the connection to 2009 with the overwhelming pseudo tactics taking precedent over facts and the recent election floodgates of fake news sites/memes complied with a lack of critical thinking that is being undervalued. Sadly we have a long way to go to turn the pseudo/fake news tide by sheering up the strength of critical thinking methodology and honoring the value of plain old fashioned common sense and decency of civility in dialogues.

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      • Alternative Authors' Quote Fraud
      • David Childress & the Aliens
      • Faking Ancient Art in Uzbekistan
      • Intimations of Persecution
      • Zecharia Sitchin's World
      • Jesus' Alien Ancestors?
      • Extraterrestrial Evolution?
    • Collection: Skeptic Magazine >
      • America Before Review
      • Native American Discovery of Europe
      • Interview: Scott Sigler
      • Golden Fleeced
      • Oh the Horror
      • Discovery of America
      • Supernatural Television
      • Review of Civilization One
      • Who Lost the Middle Ages
      • Charioteer of the Gods
    • Collection: Ancient History >
      • Prehistoric Nuclear War
      • The China Syndrome
      • Atlantis, Mu, and the Maya
      • Easter Island Exposed
      • Who Built the Sphinx?
      • Who Built the Great Pyramid?
      • Archaeological Cover Up?
    • Collection: The Lovecraft Legacy >
      • Pauwels, Bergier, and Lovecraft
      • Lovecraft in Bergier
      • Lovecraft and Scientology
    • Collection: UFOs >
      • Alien Abduction at the Outer Limits
      • Aliens and Anal Probes
      • Ultra-Terrestrials and UFOs
      • Rebels, Queers, and Aliens
    • Scholomance: The Devil's School
    • Prehistory of Chupacabra
    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
  • The Library
    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
          • Horapollo
          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
          • The Three Hermeses
          • Kore Kosmou
          • Corpus Hermeticum
          • The Asclepius
          • The Emerald Tablet
          • Hermetic Fragments
          • Prologue to the Kyranides
          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
          • Prologue to Ibn Umayl's Silvery Water
          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
          • Fragments on Atlantis
          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
        • Gunung Padang
        • Tales of Enchanted Islands
        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
        • The 1909 Grand Canyon Hoax
        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
        • Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay on Cathars
        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Scrapbook
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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