Today I’d like to talk about a subject that makes a lot of people uncomfortable but which is important for understanding the development of fringe history. That subject is esoteric Nazism. This is not a moot point or a weird sidelight to fringe history; instead, it is central to the development of many of its claims. Fringe figures such as Frank Joseph and Jacques de Mahieu have been explicitly affiliated with Nazism and have incorporated Nazi racial ideas into their work. Others, like the late fringe theorist Miguel Serrano, have adopted esoteric Nazism as a belief system and incorporate Aryan racial theories into their promotion of fringe history. Serrano even started a religion, Esoteric Hitlerism, to promote his belief that inter-dimensional beings and Nazis were the path to salvation. Today, fringe figures claim amazing things for Hitler: that he had a special relationship with supernatural forces or aliens, that he possessed the Ark of the Covenant, that he possessed the magic spear that pierced Christ’s side (that one was sort of true—though the spear was a medieval fake), that he presided over wizardry that included space flight and time travel, and that he had found the Holy Grail or was the Antichrist. One could easily be forgiven for thinking that fringe historians see Hitler as a sort of demigod since they attribute to him the range of powers and connections more typically associated with figures like Perseus, Siegfried, or Samson. After World War II Hitler had indeed become a mythic figure, and it is rather shocking how easily Hitler slid into the template set by Charlemagne and Frederick Barbarossa—not to mention Odin and King Arthur—of the Sleeping King, the widespread European myth of the great leader who is not dead but waiting in a mountain or a faraway island to rise again and save his nation. Within months of Hitler’s suicide, many had started to claim that like Arthur to Avalon, he had not died but had been transported by ship (submarine) to a magical island (South America or Antarctica) where he would live on, regroup, and someday return. This primal sin of Nazism is deeply embedded in the DNA of fringe history because it was present at the creation. The modern fringe history movement takes much of its shape and form from Jacques Bergier’s and Louis Pauwels’s Morning of the Magicians (1960), which launched the ancient astronaut theory and revived interest in lost civilizations like Atlantis. It was, of course, not the first fringe history book, but as the most widely cited and the one most closely tied to the postmodern, counterculture worldview that became associated with the fringe community, it bequeathed more than its share of claims to the fringe history world. When I have talked of the book, I usually discuss its ancient astronaut and lost civilization claims, but the authors devoted about a third of the book to exploring esoteric Nazism. The two authors did more than almost anyone to make Hitler into sort of a Faustian demigod; indeed, much of their book is very obviously a reflection of the trauma of World War II and an attempt to find a supernatural explanation for that war’s devastation. In fact, they attribute the war to an invisible struggle between unseen gods. They begin by likening the collapse of the Third Reich to the Twilight of the Gods in Norse myth, “Whoever has … known also the Twilight of the Gods of the Third Reich, can imagine what the end of Cordoba and Granada was like, and a thousand other ends of the world since time began,” referencing also the collapse of the Inca, the Toltec, and the Maya before immediately relating all these civilizations to “white men” who came from a vanished world. Although the two authors take pains to call Hitler “satanic” they nonetheless say that he had special access to “Superior Beings” who had announced the creation of a master race. These beings, they implied, were aliens—and Hitler had met them in person. They see the Nazis in religious terms, speaking of their powerful “sacraments of evil,” equal and opposite to religion’s sacraments of good; and they see Hitler as almost, though not quite the Antichrist, Nazism as an offshoot of Satanism: The problem must be faced. We will never be safe from Nazism, or rather from certain manifestations of the Satanic spirit, which, through the Nazis, cast its dark shadow over the world, until we have roused ourselves to a true awareness of the most fantastic aspects of the Hitlerean adventure. (p. 133) I can’t stress this enough: The authors propose a Manichaean worldview of equal and opposite extremes, whereby evil is as direct and powerful a path to knowledge as good. They link the Nazis to Atlantis, to the vril of the Theosophists, to Theosophy itself, to the hollow earth and its inhabitants. They ask why only the forces of evil study such subjects and why it is that the powers of good do not also appropriate the occult and the invisible history of the world to further their ends. To readers, this is all but an invitation to see in Hitler and esoteric Nazism a path toward spiritual enlightenment. They introduce into evidence all of the claims made for Atlantis and the Watchers and the giants, and they note that official science rejects such claims while noting—though with apparent condemnation—that Hitler said that there was a different science that rejects the “Jewish-Liberal science” of the mainstream. They seem to reject this claim, but the whole of their book—its hundreds of pages—is designed to prove that this secret science really exists. They place the homeland of the race of Aryan giants from Atlantis at Tiahuanaco, which they claim is “hundreds of thousands” of years old, had survived the Great Flood, and depicted Ice Age megafauna in its art. They cite these claims to Nazi-era German archaeologists, and these claims appear almost point for point in Graham Hancock’s Fingerprints of the Gods, although filtered through the work of Arthur Posnansky, and they present as apparently worthy of research Hans Hörbiger’s “World Ice Theory,” beloved of esoteric Nazis. The authors accuse the Western powers of suppressing Hitler’s connection to a lost civilization and a secret science, “to save countless million souls from being corrupted.” In a difficult passage to read, the authors claim that the Second World War was a battle between “the humanist or the magical” view of the world, and they seem more than a little upset that Hitler’s magical world collapsed in the face of a materialism. Their whole book celebrates the concept of “fantastic realism,” and it is impossible not to read this as the authors’ disappointment that Hitler failed to perfectly embody the pre-scientific, pagan world of gods and monsters—the world, they said, built not for man but for “something more than Man.” They mourn that the U.S. and U.S.S.R. are indistinguishable in their secular aims. At length, the two authors liken Hitler to Hermes Trismegistus, and the parallel is strikingly accurate, not due to mystical knowledge on Hitler’s part but due to how fringe historians relate to the figures. In 400 CE, Zosimus of Panoplis wrote in his Imouth (preserved in Syncellus, Chronicle 14) that Hermes had received instruction from the Watchers and had passed their knowledge of alchemy on in his books on the subject. For medieval alchemists, the pagan, antediluvian Hermes is nevertheless seen as a sage who can bequeath wisdom Christians can use, if only they are able to properly apply the demonic knowledge for good ends. Similarly, fringe historians seems to view Hitler as a conduit to the mystical knowledge of the universe that can be made safe for the public if filtered correctly through fringe historians’ pens. The two authors did not really mean to support Nazism; indeed, the thrust of this section of the book is that the same foundation of historical and scientific claims could produce both the (supposedly) rational West, the communist East, and the mystical Nazis—and that ideological worldviews make it impossible to truly understand those from other points of view. But the mournful tone and the suggestion that the magical is a valid way of investigating the world leaves less critical readers with the impression that esoteric Nazism provides a unique path to ancient wisdom and communion with the alien gods. These ideas did not stop with Pauwels and Bergier but instead have become embedded in fringe history. How many times has Ancient Aliens tried to connect Nazis to ancient aliens, Atlantis, and UFOs? But let’s be more direct. The Raëlians, who took so much from Morning of the Magicians and its ancient astronaut literary successors, are trying to rehabilitate the swastika and return it to its ancient (well, Theosophical) meaning before Hitler, when it was a symbol of the divine, a mystical connection that runs through fringe literature and esoteric Nazism alike. Take a look at the graphic below. It’s the original logo for John R. Ward’s Sirius Project, launched in 2011 to explore ancient symbolism and promoted by Scotty Roberts, a close associate of Ward. (Ward claims an honorary Ph.D. from a British Knights Templar club and presents himself under the title Dr.) I obtained this graphic from the Internet Wayback Machine. Look at the ring around the center icon. What do you see? Those symbols are probably familiar to readers with a knowledge of esoteric Nazism. They are the six inset symbols in the ring worn by SS officers. That’s not me imposing a reading on Ward’s logo. The symbols are identical and do not appear all together anywhere else except in SS symbolism. Ward has since changed the logo, and today it no longer features SS symbolism. According to sources familiar with the situation, Ward claims that the graphic designer added the symbols without his knowledge. You will of course recall that Ward's close associate Roberts advocated the “dual bloodline” theory that held that both Adam and the serpent impregnated Eve and that therefore certain races were inherently more human than others. While Roberts used this only to suggest a hidden extraterrestrial race, the dual bloodline theory has historically been connected to anti-Semitic efforts to cast the Jews as inhuman. Rudolf Steiner used the same claim to argue for whites as the superior race. Michael Barkun noted in his Culture of Conspiracy (2006/2013) that after World War II, when Hitler’s Holocaust had rendered explicit anti-Semitism unsupportable, the tropes of Nazi-era anti-Jewish propaganda slid seamlessly into the growing UFO subculture, largely absorbed from right wing political extremism. Most famously, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were reinterpreted as an Illuminati or extraterrestrial document. But he also points to a fascinating correlation between the postwar “good” aliens, the Nordics, and Aryans and the postwar “bad” aliens, the Greys, and the Jews. The latter were short, gnome-like, misshapen—all stereotypes associated with Jews: Even among authors clearly hostile to Nazis and anti-Semitism, Nordics and Aryans are well-meaning and benign, while gnomelike, dwarfish Grays are a mortal threat. […] Even among writers who most unambiguously reject anti-Semitism, the alien racial types disquietingly appear to reproduce old stereotypes. The evil Grays are dwarfish with grotesque features—not unlike stereotypes of the short, swarthy, hook-nosed Jews of European anti-Semitic folklore. They are contrasted to the tall, virtuous Nordics or Aryans. Although there is little to suggest that those who employ such terms do so to make direct parallels to earthbound categories, the images seem clearly to be refracted versions of older racial anti-Semitism. Needless to say, the Aryans are also the heroes of lost civilization narratives like those of Atlantis, Lemuria, and Mu, although they gained their white heroes from an earlier generation of racism.
However, don’t expect coherence in ufology: Hitler was supposedly in league with the evil aliens, even though the evil aliens weren’t Aryans. In sum, it seems that fringe history wants to treat Nazis the way the Greeks treated the Titans or medieval sorcerers the demons: creatures to be called up, bound by magic words, and then employed to gain special access to esoteric wisdom and the supernatural. In so doing, the fringe historian feels he can control the evil and use it to bring about a revelation, just as Zosimus thought he could use the evil wisdom of the Fallen Angels to bring about alchemical enlightenment.
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KIF
4/30/2014 06:52:19 am
Sure, esoteric Nazis existed - Lanz von Liebenfels was one. Stephen Edred Flowers and others have written books on the subject matter. Pierre Plantard was a Gallic Nazi. Nazis lifted the Lemuria and Atlantis myths as part of their enforcement of the Chosen Race.
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Only Me
4/30/2014 09:26:55 am
"Still doesn't make romantic believers in Atlantis Nazis."
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KIF
4/30/2014 10:13:10 am
Erich Von Daniken is not a Nazi
Matt Mc
4/30/2014 10:14:26 am
Where in this article is Von Daniken mentioned?
KIF
4/30/2014 12:01:30 pm
There were peddlers of Atlantis during the 1930s who were not Racists, not Nazis. They were Romantic believers in piffle. It's impossible to call them anything else but fantasists. The same thing applies to Erich Von Daniken - he's just a fantasist peddler of piffle, not a racist. There is a distinction between fantasists and Nazis/Racists
Matt Mc
4/30/2014 01:14:32 pm
you did not answer the question where was Von Daniken mentioned in the above article?
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/30/2014 05:00:14 pm
For the record … As far as I know … Scott Wolter has never driven, owned, or endorsed a "Volks' Wagen" ...
Only Me
4/30/2014 05:09:11 pm
Maybe he was too interested in the Toyota Scion.
.
5/2/2014 08:49:20 am
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2014/05/bigfoot-cuddly-creature-vs-murderous.html
Varika
4/30/2014 11:18:32 am
Kif, the whole point is that these people are picking up some of the worst parts of Naziism and propagating it uncritically, DESPITE not being Nazis, and that this is a problem that is dismissed because "They're not trying to start the next Reich." Sorry, that doesn't wash. Nobody alive today has ever owned an African-American slave, but that doesn't mean that there's no racism going on. The last Inquisition was in the 1820s, but that doesn't mean there's no religious oppression going on. You can be not part of a bad group and still do massive harm using some of their doctrines.
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KIF
4/30/2014 12:05:09 pm
It depends who's peddling the fantasies. If it's fantasists that are peddling the fantasies which involve non-existent races then they are deluded cranks. If it's racists and Nazis who claim that they are the Master Race - THE REALITY - then that is a distinction and there is no comparison.
(jad)
4/30/2014 02:03:22 pm
in 1968 LERRR GRANDE CHARLES didst step down as the
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11/18/2015 09:06:22 am
Mr. Adolf Hitler believed that so caled "Heavenly Jerusalem" lies under territory of Republic of Georgia. Please, read an excerpt from my book by this link:
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KIF
4/30/2014 07:02:44 am
Esoteric Nazism spawned throughout Europe during the 1920s and the 1930s. Let's not distance this from the mainstream anti-Semitism that existed in society and that this was a major part of the origin
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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
4/30/2014 07:32:11 am
"…it seems that fringe history wants to treat Nazis the way the Greeks treated the Titans or medieval sorcerers the demons: creatures to be called up, bound by magic words, and then employed to gain special access to esoteric wisdom and the supernatural."
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KIF
4/30/2014 07:36:08 am
Romantic esotericists like Trevor Ravenscroft were not Nazis - they are only interested in the occult interest of the Nazis
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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
4/30/2014 07:45:43 am
That's my point; you don't have to be a Nazi to be enthralled by Nazis. You can loathe them and still be enthralled by them.
(jad)
4/30/2014 01:46:43 pm
true... ole winnie & frankie sorta fall into that category.
(jad)
4/30/2014 02:11:03 pm
luv... i liked the Tarantino DJANGO movie to the degree i try
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Cargile
5/1/2014 04:11:57 am
Well now, if you can't portray fanatical Muslims as evil, you fall back to the safe territory of Nazis. Or fanatical Christians. Or corrupt CEOs.
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KIF
4/30/2014 07:38:20 am
Commentaries are fine but nothing can substitute reading the primary sources. To this very day, essential books by Guido Von List are still not available in English - "Die Armanenschaft der Ario-Germanen" (2 volumes, 1908, 1911), "Die Namen der Volkerstamme Germaniens und deren Deutung" (1909), "Die Religion der Ario-Germanen in ihrer Esoterik und Exoterik" (1910)
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KIF
4/30/2014 08:59:39 am
Guido Von List, "Die Ursprache der Ario-Germanen und ihre Mysteriensprache" (1914) is essential reading for the origin of what became The Third Reich
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An Over-Educated Grunt
4/30/2014 10:23:59 am
Funny, I'd think the 25 Points, "Mein Kampf," or any solid history of German economics between 1870 and 1929 would be more useful than German fringe thinking of the period. Or a watching of "Triumph of the Will." Or any of a large number of Great War memoirs, since it's that lost generation and those who would have been the conscript classes of the late 1910s and early 1920s who formed the Nazi Party. Or for that matter a smattering of Hugenberg's newspapers, or quite literally anything but pre-Great War German fringe thinking, which informed only a sliver of the whole Nazi experience.
KIF
4/30/2014 11:57:48 am
Needed something colourful to bolster "Mein Kampf"
KIF
4/30/2014 12:29:15 pm
From Hitler's Mein Kampf:
An Over-Educated Grunt
5/1/2014 01:22:28 am
It's one that was lost on the jurors of Socrates.
Scott David Hamilton
4/30/2014 10:09:18 am
Perhaps another example of the "grey" aliens being Jewish analogues: When Betty Hill first described the aliens she saw in her dreams, she said they had "Jimmy Durante" noses and wore clothes and caps. It was later, after hypnotherapy, that they changed into the big-headed, hairless fetuses/future people that would become popular in the 1970s.
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4/30/2014 12:45:57 pm
On January 27 1945 Auschwitz was liberated,yet almost 70 years later,in 2014 Nazism remains the most recurrent theme in historical/political discourse.
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(jad)
4/30/2014 01:17:19 pm
Luv... quality + quantity, Herr Hitler was often more creative
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[jad]
4/30/2014 01:21:39 pm
also... Mao had his moments, and if you factor in for
(jad)
4/30/2014 01:29:14 pm
i lived thru OCT of 1962 as did we all. Uncle Nikita some 30 years
[jad]
4/30/2014 01:31:31 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/03/01/home/solz-gulag.html
An Over-Educated Grunt
5/1/2014 01:39:15 am
I've actually thought about that, and I think the difference comes down to the purposes of their destructive machinery. The gulag was, at least on the surface, an attempt to turn threatening elements into productive ones through labor. This isn't to spare it the criticism it roundly deserves; it was poorly conceived, run by sadists at its highest echelons, and punished compassion and competence equally as unfit for enemies of the State. However, it's different from the Nazi approach of intending prisoners to die, and only considering productive labor as an afterthought when it was realized that running a vast murder machine was expensive. That's the crucial difference, I think. The Stalinist machine offered at least the illusion that there was a way out on your own two feet. The Nazi machine was very clear that the only exit was through the crematorium.
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5/1/2014 03:17:57 am
@Grunt
An Over-Educated Grunt
5/2/2014 02:11:27 am
Tara, 5/2/2014 04:20:31 am
@Grunt. I will not dispute your facts Tara and there is much to be said for the anti Semitism that fueled Stalinism or at least how Stalin manipulated it to justify his ends and to delude the populace. Again, there is nothing wrong that I see with your angle or point of view but it raises questions of religious discourse when Anti Communism is mixed with Christianity as it so often is. This is still an issue with Nazism when you look at how they dealt with Christianity and defining paganism via Nazism serves a number of purposes and discourses common to both political science and religion. Nietzsche is but one example. Definitions matter and reveal as much as they conceal. I think there is a name for comparative religion or philosophy as distinct from theology but the engine of democracy has coopted both in the name of pluralism and this is part and parcel of the reasons science itself has a checkered history with religion. It's a convoluted issue.
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5/1/2014 03:31:59 am
Heidi
(jad)
4/30/2014 01:10:30 pm
if y'all remember WHY Berlin was so isolated in 1948/49
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FastForward
4/30/2014 02:07:26 pm
Where exactly was all that Nazi esoteric thought supposed to lead?
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(jad)
4/30/2014 02:15:57 pm
yes... as did FDR... we call on Superman, Wonder Woman
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/30/2014 03:39:10 pm
OKAY … I see the pattern … !!!
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Judith Bennett
4/30/2014 04:14:38 pm
I'd guess you're more likely to see them than Jason is, Phil, given who your bff Scott Wolter likes to hang with.
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Gunn
4/30/2014 04:21:49 pm
The problem for me is that Wolter attributes the hook on the X to being representative of a Jesus bloodline. The poor Templars and Freemasons are today being burdened down with this nonsense, and it's not true to either history or God's Word. Even worse, for me, is the added disillusionment figured in for the KRS, which ultimately suffers from Wolter's fantasies and ultimate untruthfulness.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/30/2014 04:29:53 pm
LOL … IMHO, the ULTIMATE Torture-Dentist was played by Steve Martin (!!!) in the remake of "Little Shop of Horrors," starring Rick Moranis ...
Gunn
5/1/2014 04:45:22 am
Personally, because I enjoy humor so much, my favorite was Peter Sellers looking like Einstein, high on laughing gas, pulling a wrong tooth while his wax nose began melting:
Only Me
4/30/2014 04:21:55 pm
Scott also sees hidden codes in Oreos, secret hand signs and conspiracies.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/30/2014 04:31:46 pm
LOL …
Only Me
4/30/2014 04:43:29 pm
Laugh all you want. You're the one who's spent the last two days defending your BFF from a false accusation of your own invention.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/30/2014 04:47:07 pm
LOL …
Only Me
4/30/2014 04:54:50 pm
Neither am I.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/30/2014 05:02:11 pm
BINGO … !!!
Only Me
4/30/2014 05:11:26 pm
Which is why none of those have occurred in any of Jason's articles. You and KIF are the only ones having trouble seeing that.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/30/2014 05:19:36 pm
LOL … (AGAIN !!!)
Only Me
4/30/2014 05:22:11 pm
But you are the guy running in circles like his foot is nailed to the floor. Stop running before you get vertigo!
Clint Knapp
5/1/2014 06:25:05 am
The differerence is that Scott Wolter makes up Templar/Bloodline conspiracies wherever he sees an X with a hook on it, while Jason read a book that explicitly cites Nazis.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/30/2014 05:31:28 pm
Lay OFF, okay, please … ???
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/30/2014 05:38:42 pm
Minnesota Wild WINS in overtime, 5 to 4 !!! (NO "Nazis" among them, either "neo-" OR "esoteric" …)
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Only Me
4/30/2014 06:53:04 pm
Congratulations, Minnesota Wild.
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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
4/30/2014 07:19:25 pm
It's also worth noting that this particular article doesn't even have Wolter in it.
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(jad)
4/30/2014 08:19:51 pm
i think SW should run for public office...
Only Me
4/30/2014 08:25:21 pm
Why not? Minnesota already elected Jesse Ventura as governor. One more "celeb" wouldn't make a difference. Especially considering the fringe history/conspiracy theory element they both share.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/1/2014 04:51:55 am
LOL …
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Matt Mc
5/1/2014 04:58:02 am
Sp passionately that you bring him up on a post that has not mentioned him at all.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/1/2014 10:34:44 am
I just *wonder* about *somebody* -- ANYBODY -- who sees "Nazi" boogeymen … EVERYWHERE ...
Only Me
5/1/2014 11:26:22 am
I just *wonder* about *somebody* -- ANYBODY-- who sees "innuendo" and "character assassination"...EVERYWHERE 5/1/2014 02:21:33 pm
First, Phil, this blog post never mentioned Scott Wolter. Second, I am getting sick of being told I'm involved in character assassination. Keep it up and I will be sorely tempted to start dipping into my file. People have sent me so much material on Scott Wolter that I could fill a book with the accusations and claims made about him, which I don't print because they aren't relevant to the discussion. But keep it up, and I'll start releasing documents. You won't like it. Some of these documents--public records--can be seen as very damaging, albeit not directly relevant to Templar Bloodline myths.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/1/2014 03:51:58 pm
Jason …
Only Me
5/1/2014 05:01:31 pm
And once again, Phil reads what he WANTS Jason's words to say, not what was actually written. Your disingenuousness and sanctimony know no bounds.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/1/2014 05:56:04 pm
LOL …
Only Me
5/1/2014 06:31:16 pm
You're right; you don't know. 5/1/2014 11:34:57 pm
Only in Phil's world is the fact that I do not publish every allegation and document I receive a conspiracy to do the opposite.
John
5/2/2014 03:31:27 am
Phil, You are not informed and you are biased. You should be curious what Jason has or what others have and maybe you would not reject so easily character criticism if you knew what you do not. You don't know the whole story, just what Scott wants you to relay to people. Kharma will come to Wolter. You look like a fool defending a "friend" when you don't know everything about your friend or even care to want to know everything.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/2/2014 03:50:31 pm
I don't gather or keep *secret* TRASH files on anybody … THREATENING to … TELL ALL … if a certain person doesn't STOP honorably rising to defend his friend and colleague …
Only Me
5/2/2014 05:50:26 pm
Thank heaven no one else is gathering and keeping "secret trashy files", either. You ever stop to think, maybe, just maybe, Jason keeps what people send him to cover his own ass? No, of course not, you're too engrossed in your one-man witch hunt.
Harry
5/1/2014 12:54:06 am
This is only an educated guess, but I suspect that there at least three different attitudes at work among fringe historians with respect to Nazism, esoteric or otherwise.
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Gunn
5/1/2014 06:00:17 am
I like the way you broke this down, Harry. Here's something interesting I discovered the other day, which sort of feeds into your breakdown.
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Mike aka Titus
5/1/2014 02:17:04 am
Great post Jason. Yes the Nazi's have an almost uber quality in terms of pop culture/fringe science. The history channel at one point had old Adolf and his wacky lieutenants on all the time. Nazi and UFO shows seem to be on all those "science" and popular interest stations these days. How many times have I seen the "Nazi" bell on different programs despite there is no evidence at all it was a test program. I hate to use these words but it is an almost romantic obession. A horrible regime but "so far advanced." Like all stories has some elements of truth and most of it is bs.
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Clint Knapp
5/1/2014 06:52:13 am
Excellent rundown, Mike, and one that brings us naturally to another fringe-favorite: Operation Paperclip.
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[jad]
5/1/2014 11:58:49 am
PAPERCLIP = Securing W.Von Braun and his rocket designs
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Gunn
5/1/2014 04:12:01 pm
JAD, maybe you're imagining things. Maybe we didn't have to wage a war on terror. Maybe Granny could have kept her shoes on at the airport.
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[jad]
5/2/2014 09:05:55 am
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2014/05/bigfoot-cuddly-creature-vs-murderous.html
Mark L
5/1/2014 08:56:01 pm
Seriously, Jason, just remove posting rights from the fake Rev. Every single article is him saying exactly the same thing, even when the article has nothing to do with his friend at all. It's incrediblt boring to read and just derails every single good conversation.
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5/1/2014 11:29:12 pm
I wish I could, but Weebly doesn't allow that level of control. My only choices are manual deletion or turning off all comments and approving them manually.
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lurkster
5/2/2014 12:21:52 pm
Disqus could possibly help you with that.
.
5/2/2014 09:12:47 am
actually the good REV slightly and significantly
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.
5/2/2014 09:17:17 am
"Nearly 60 years after his death, Alan Turing, the British mathematician regarded as one of the central figures in the development of the computer, received a formal pardon from Queen Elizabeth II on Monday for his conviction in 1952 on charges of homosexuality, at the time a criminal offense in Britain."
AL GORE did not invent the internet--- A. Turing & T.Flowers did!!!!
5/2/2014 09:25:51 am
the modem, phone + Brainiac equivilency at Manchester U
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/2/2014 03:53:49 pm
But okay …
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Joe
5/2/2014 06:33:25 pm
In all seriousness, I wonder if you actual read any of the blog statements. It has been stated multiple times by Jason and by several of the regular contributors that NO ONE here believes that Wolter is a racist or Nazis. But you continually repeat your counter argument to an argument that has never been made. You continually claim to be the defender of Wolter's honor but no one here is trying to besmirch it. In the last couple of blog posts Jason is trying to show that there is a history of Nazis influence in the fringe history community. In fact your faithful friend is not even mentioned in this blog posting, however you felt it was necessary to include him. I am a regular reader of the site and find most of the information and discussion interesting. I have even tried to give you the benefit of the doubt in your quest to protect your friends interests. However the repetitive nature and totally misguided attempts are growing increasingly stale. As I have stated I am a regular reader and have in the past contributed to the discussion so I have viewed several of your comments and based on your history I have the following question.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 11:41:31 am
Well …
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Matt Mc
5/3/2014 12:00:25 pm
Well Phi perhaps you should talk to you friend about the possibility that people may draw incorrect conclusion about a person when the choose to work for and with know Nazi leaders or write about ideas that have a lot of similarities to ideas that white supremacists write about. Maybe if Wolter separated himself for this person and made it clear on his show and his books that while his ideas share some stuff with pro white myths they in fact not connected and all. Then perhaps you would not be reading Wolter is a Nazi innuendo in things where he is not mention or not the topic of.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 01:16:43 pm
Well … again …
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Only Me
5/3/2014 01:30:22 pm
And again, you are violating the comment policy rule of "a single repetition of the same argument". 5/3/2014 01:35:11 pm
Indeed, Phil is repetitive. Worse, he's also a propagandist who doesn't care to do the research. The best book on the subject is Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke's "Black Sun" (NYU Press, 2003), which covers the survival of esoteric Nazism in modern extremist, fringe, and conspiracy literature in great depth, including in pseudo-archaeology and ufology. I am hardly alone in making these connections.
EP
5/9/2014 01:15:00 pm
Indeed. Your problem is more along the lines of not seeing them ANYWHERE.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 02:28:17 pm
Whoa NELLY … !!!
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 05:28:06 pm
(Where do the esoteric writings of H. P. Lovecraft come into this picture … ???)
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 10:25:20 am
But, probably no need for worry …
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5/9/2014 09:08:30 am
I had my own dealings with Roberts over just this issue (among others), and was met with nonsense replies and doubling down on the fallacious claims and rather troublesome "theology". What I find amusing as well in this particular article is that Roberts, a self designated "theologian and historian", didn't even get his history right. The Nicene Council never once addressed the issue of the canon. So much for research. He could have found that information with just a simple Google search.
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7/15/2014 07:22:36 pm
Jason,
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i agree...
3/7/2015 01:21:42 pm
the original humans who inspired all
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11/18/2015 09:09:50 am
Best wishes, author and
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KB Waters
12/11/2016 10:19:35 pm
What most people refuse to wrap their heads around is that esoteric Hitlerism is not the dark sinister and Satanic force that it is described as in Morning of the Magicians. At least not for all writers. It is indeed quite odd how many people just take things like the holocaust and satanism in nazi ranks as a given, rather than as residue from propaganda and fear of the unknown.
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12/12/2016 04:16:49 am
Here is what knew Adolf Hitler about real Jerusalem:
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