Fringe history has a Frank Joseph problem, and it seems like no one really wants to deal with it. The problem isn’t that Frank Joseph writes—prolifically—about fringe history topics, but rather that individuals, companies, and organizations involved in fringe history are intentionally omitting mention of his background and denying readers of his work the information they need to evaluate Joseph’s claims. Joseph, formerly known as Frank Collin, became infamous in the 1970s as the leader of an American Nazi Party, in which capacity he was involved in the Supreme Court case National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie 432 U.S. 43 (1977), which established the right of Nazis to march and display swastika emblems. After his Jewish heritage came to light (his father was a Holocaust survivor), Collin at first denied the claims but remained head of the National Socialist Party of America until his arrest on child sex charges. Nevertheless, Joseph continues to promote a view of history that places a white master race in a position of prehistoric global domination and power, albeit now with Jews included among the white peoples who once ruled the Americas. Because this ancient white master race reflects a central tenet of his early Nazi beliefs, it would appear to be extremely relevant to understanding his ideas and point of view, at least as much as David Duke’s former position as a Grand Wizard in the Ku Klux Klan remains forever affixed to any discussion of his views on race and Jews. Why is it different when Frank Joseph opines on how “white” people from Atlantis bequeathed civilization to the world’s black and brown peoples? This is doubly strange since other fringe figures, now dead, who had connections to Nazi ideology are routinely described as such even in fringe literature. Otto Rahn went in search of the Holy Grail on the behest of his SS boss, Heinrich Himmler, and his books remain frequent touchstones for fringe Grail researchers; however, they have no trouble in describing Rahn as working for the Nazis. Jacques de Mahieu collaborated with the Nazis during the Second World War and spent the rest of his career attempting to prove that an Aryan master race once ruled over Native Americans. Even Scott F. Wolter felt the need to acknowledge this fact in From Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers (2013) when using Mahieu’s work in support of his own belief about white colonization of the Americas in pre-Columbian times, if only to dismiss it as “irrelevant”: At this point, it is appropriate to put professor Mahieu, his Nazi past, and his research into proper perspective. A quick Internet search will find a brief synopsis of the man whose research is labeled multiple times as “racist.” Mahieu is an easy target given his Nazi background, but in this discussion his politics are irrelevant and unimportant. And yet they were important enough to explicitly dismiss. So why is Frank Joseph exempted in fringe history literature from such acknowledgement? In 2012, Frank Joseph published several articles by Scott Wolter in his anthology Lost Worlds of Ancient America (New Page Books), and in 2013 he published the same book again with a new publisher under the title Unlocking the Prehistory of America. That new publisher was the Rosen Publishing Group, a publisher of library books for children. At this point it becomes relevant, too, that Joseph was convicted of sexual assault on children. I will pause to note here that since I first raised the issue of Frank Joseph’s work appearing under the Rosen Publishing Group imprint, his books have been removed from their online catalog. I had left messages with the company asking about the issue. These were never answered, but the removal of his books from their website suggests someone looked into the issue. I wish the company had the courage to issue an actual statement about their involvement with Frank Joseph rather than what seems to be an effort to try to erase their involvement by scrubbing it from the internet. A copy of Joseph’s Rosen Publishing volume can be viewed on Google Books. But Rosen Publishing isn’t the first to have given a forum to Frank Joseph without acknowledging his controversial past. As soon as Frank Collin changed his name after his release from prison (Joseph is his middle name), fringe history—and even some mainstream publishers—embraced him and gave him a platform for his vision of a lost white master race as though his Nazi past were irrelevant to his use of claims from esoteric Nazism to support his racial hierarchy. He has also been published by ABC-CLIO, The Barnes Review, Bear & Company, FATE magazine, Hancock House Publishers, Helion & Company, and New Page Books. So far as I can tell, none has identified him in print as an ex-Neo-Nazi, even Helion & Company, which published his book on fascism, Mussolini’s War (2010)! Surely, if nowhere else, an author’s Nazi affiliation is relevant when writing about fascism. Mussolini’s War is no longer listed on Helion’s website. Did they discover his conflict of interest? Heck, Joseph actually claims in Opening the Ark of the Covenant that the Nazis controlled the Ark (was there not a movie about that...?), and no one thought to mention that his Nazi affiliation might be relevant to evaluating his efforts to visit the Ark upon Hitler? Other fringe figures who have published with or written for Frank Joseph include: Brad Steiger, Zecharia Sitchin, Laura Lee, Andrew Collins, Gunnar Thompson, David Childress, Cyclone Covey, and of course Joseph’s longtime colleague, the Mormon hyper-diffusionist Wayne May, who gave Joseph his influential perch as the editor of May’s Ancient American magazine, which still employs him as a staff correspondent. Fringe figures returned the favor. Most famously, May has financed Joseph through Ancient American for decades. Brian Haughton invited Frank Joseph to write the forward for his Hidden History (2007). David Childress published some of Frank Joseph’s work in World Explorer magazine in the early 1990s, and he went on an “investigation” with Joseph, which he reported in Lost Cities of North and Central America (1993), all without mentioning his Nazi past, perhaps because he wasn’t aware of it at the time. Is it just a coincidence that right after this, when Childress started to get gigs on cable TV documentaries, suddenly Frank Joseph disappears from his work? He is entirely absent from Childress’s Lost Cities of Atlantis (1996), for example, a strange omission since Joseph, of course, was already then famous as an investigator of Atlantis. (His first book was Destruction of Atlantis in 1987.) In 1993 they were on a first-name basis and Childress was proud to have published his work on Phoenicians in Chicago. What changed? Now let me make clear: Those who work with Frank Joseph have been very careful to let him promote his ideas without reference to his past. Here is how New Page Books gives his biography on the back cover of his anthology Lost Worlds of Ancient America, a book that posits repeated colonization of America by the superior forces of white Europeans: Frank Joseph became the editor in chief (sic) of Ancient American magazine when it was founded in 1993. His 20 books, which have been published in various languages around the world, include… A frequent radio talk show guest, he has been interviewed by Shirley MacLaine, Art Bell, Jeff Rense, Rob McConnell, and numerous other broadcast hosts. I guess we can add that list to the people who have given support to Joseph. But this is positively responsible compared to the way that the Barnes Review described him in his 2010 review of Scott Wolter’s collected works: FRANK JOSEPH is a supporter of what has been called the hyper-diffusionist approach to prehistory. He was born in Chicago in 1944. His father, a Jew, spent time in the Dachau concentration camp. Joseph is the author of the books Atlantis and Other Lost Worlds and The Lost Civilization of Lemuria. He is also staff correspondent at Ancient American, a quarterly magazine investigating possible visits to our continent from the Old World before Columbus. The Barnes Review is a publication of historical revisionism, including Holocaust denial (hence the wording in Joseph’s biography), founded and run by the Liberty Lobby, a group the Anti-Defamation League said was associated with organized anti-Semitism, until 2001, when Liberty Lobby went bankrupt. The Barnes Review continues on under the leadership of far-right race-theorist Willis Carto, a man who wrote that “It was the Jews and their lies that blinded the West as to what Germany was doing. Hitler’s defeat was the defeat of Europe and America.” He also wanted to send the Blacks back to Africa, according to news accounts, and he founded the far-right Populist Party—yes, the one that served as David Duke’s platform.
Carto’s greatest legacy is probably the Supreme Court’s decision in Anderson v. Liberty Lobby, Inc., 477 U.S. 242 (1986), which established guidelines for summary judgment to end frivolous lawsuits. The courts got sick of him trying to sue anyone who described the racial and anti-Semitic impact of his work in plain language. Let’s make this clear: Involvement with the Barnes Review shows that Frank Joseph did not simply give up his old ideas. He continues to write for publications involved in what watch groups describe as anti-Semitism, scientific racism, and Holocaust denial, and he believes that those who support such beliefs are interested in lost white colonizers of ancient America like Scott Wolter’s Knights Templar. Joseph wrote his review of Wolter’s work in 2010, and Joseph reported that in 2011 he and Scott Wolter shared a pleasant car ride from Michigan to Wisconsin where they discussed fringe history. It’s perfectly possible that Wolter had no idea who Joseph was or what he had done, but he then let Joseph publish his work under Joseph’s imprimatur in 2012 and again in 2013 and has never spoken out against Joseph’s apparently still-current views. Neither has any other major fringe history figure, so far as I can tell. Why? What makes him so special? Fringe history has a Frank Joseph problem, and the shocking list of fringe figures and “alternative” publishers who work with, support, employ, and finance Joseph need to account for this, especially since nearly every fringe figure postulates that it is mainstream scholars who have hidden motivations and occult connections to nefarious secret groups.
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KIF
4/29/2014 04:26:44 am
There is no connection between the Frank Joseph Neo-Nazi and the Frank Joseph who writes about fringe history.
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4/29/2014 04:30:22 am
What are you talking about? Frank Joseph and Frank Collin are the same person, so you can't very well claim he has a split-personality to the point that his beliefs are entirely compartmentalized.
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KIF
4/29/2014 04:32:29 am
I am saying that the "master race" Frank Joseph is addressing today is fantasy that belongs to fringe history. Not to be confused with his activities of the past that belonged to politics.
KIF
4/29/2014 04:48:50 am
Guy W. Ballard, James Churchward and Lewis Spence were not Nazis. They were idealists who believed in a benign fantasy master race. 4/29/2014 04:49:36 am
You're arguing for a distinction without a difference. "The Turner Diaries" was fiction, yet extremists embraced its argument as fact. The line separating fantasy from political action isn't as bright or clear as you want it to be. Atlantis, after all, began as Plato's political argument about the culture of Athens. Ideas have consequences, even if they are presented as fantasy.
J.A.D
4/29/2014 12:02:26 pm
Odds are, Plato for once was talking about something very real,
[jad]
4/29/2014 12:14:57 pm
i do agree with KIF in that Ballard, Churchward & Spence
(jad)
4/29/2014 12:19:44 pm
Hamilton, Madison and John Jay in tandem with FDR's 4/29/2014 10:48:13 am
Nazism was born out of groups that promoted fringe occultist histories. Proto-Nazi groups like Thule, Ariosophists, and Theosophists concocted occult origin-stories about ancient master-races, Atlantis-like Lumurian tales and mythologies to elevate and edify the divine right of these groups' core power base. It is not overreaching to amplify Peter Joseph’s earlier incarnation as Nazi leader Peter Collin when discussing his hyper-diffusionist theories and alternate/fringe histories—self-serving mythologies were/are a central pillar of Nazism and their propagation helped galvanize the very real power-grab of Germany, Europe, etc.
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Mary Ballard
3/29/2016 10:34:29 am
What are you nuts! I grew up in Skokie and remember when Frank Collin tried to march. We blocked him then and will continue to denounce his divisive beliefs. He is Frank Joseph, his full name is Francis Joseph Collin. His father changed the family's last name from Cohen or Cohn to Collin after WWII.
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3/29/2016 11:23:38 am
"We blocked him then..." is a lie. Collin, though the Supreme Court gave him permission to march, chickened out (afraid the JDL would kick the crap out of him), and chose instead to march in Marquette Park and rant against African-Americans, as he'd done many times before. Read what Jason has written above, my online piece is at: www.flavinscorner.com/collin.htm, and then there's always the peer-reviewed academic journal: Wilson, Joseph A. P. 2012. “The Cave Who Never Was: Outsider Archaeology and Failed Collaboration in the USA.” Public Archaeology. 11, 2: 73-95. Thanks for ...nothing.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 04:51:42 am
Scott Wolter is NOT a neo-"Nazi" OR a "white supremacist" OR a "racialist" of any stripe …
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Mandalore
4/29/2014 04:57:43 am
Before there is a repeat of earlier, nobody said Wilted was a Nazi in any way. You are not comprehending what was written.
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Mandalore
4/29/2014 04:58:34 am
Autocorrect changed Wolter to Wilted. Sorry.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 05:21:16 am
Well, then … the fact that some OTHER guy is a neo-"Nazi" or a Mafioso or a corrupt politician has NOTHING -- NOTHING AT ALL -- to do with Scott Wolter, who is NONE of those …
Matt Mc
4/29/2014 05:37:02 am
and this blog posting was not about Wolter but rather one of his associates.
terry the censor
5/4/2014 11:13:34 am
Phil, your comments here are just stupid on purpose. As you know, Jason didn't say Wolter was a Nazi. But people should have to explain why they do business with Nazis, shouldn't they? Wolter's silence is relevent.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 01:20:00 pm
"Innuendo" is "relevent," yes … ???
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 05:44:40 am
So … It is a bit ODD, then, isn't it, that the blog author goes out of his way to bring IN "Scott Wolter" three (3) times (above) … ???
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Matt Mc
4/29/2014 05:51:07 am
Well he did publish a lot of Wolter's work and Wolter is the hot topic because of AU so I do not see why you are surprised.
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4/29/2014 06:08:30 am
Frank Joseph sort of made it impossible to ignore the Scott Wolter connection since Joseph was the one who published an article about Wolter in an anti-Semitic magazine. That isn't me imposing a narrative; that was Joseph's choice to use Wolter as his exemplar. You'd think Phil would be upset with Joseph rather than me for "bringing in" Wolter so frequently. If Phil would like to know, Joseph has actually mentioned Wolter even more times in his published work, which I did not discuss here. I could have done an entire blog post just on how Frank Joseph uses the work of Scott Wolter, but it wasn't really relevant.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 06:10:58 am
Okay …
Matt Mc
4/29/2014 06:18:24 am
Were has anyone made a claim that Wolter is a racist?
Matt Mc
4/29/2014 06:21:16 am
If you are really that concerned for your friend perhaps instead of give Jason a hard time for discussing the relationship between the two you should talk to Wolter as to why he has a relationship with someone like Joseph.
J.A Dickey
4/29/2014 12:26:35 pm
Wendell Willkie defended FDR's decision making after loosing
Clint Knapp
4/29/2014 06:11:58 am
Isn't it also a bit odd that you never have anything useful to say? Isn't it odd that for all the raving about how we should discuss claims on their own merit and facts that you yourself never do- even when such discussions are the actual topic at hand? Isn't it also odd that your grasp of punctuation and the proper use of ellipses is somehow less than that of a third grader?
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Cathleen Anderson
4/29/2014 08:11:51 am
Scott Wolter has profited from his association with the pedophile who is also a Nazi sympathizer. He is guilty of racism by association because he has failed to acknowledge that and account for the bias. So yes, in my opinion, he is a racist with support for Nazi beliefs.
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4/29/2014 09:01:33 am
Guilt by association is a Stalinist & Fascist concept.I am not trying to defend Scott Wolter,but considering the fact that he is a crappy researcher & amateurish historian,he probably never had any idea about Frank Joseph`s background.
Matt Mc
4/29/2014 09:16:21 am
I agree Tara for the most part and I can only speculate that Wolter did not know of Joesph's background. I do agree that not knowing would be yet another example of how bad a researcher he is.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 09:38:10 am
The posting by "Cathleen Anderson" (above) demonstrates WHY I will continue to continue to rise to defend my friend and professional colleague, Scott Wolter, who IS NOT a neo-"Nazi" OR a "white supremacist" OR a "racialist of any sort ...
Matt Mc
4/29/2014 09:49:07 am
And that could very well be correct Phil and I believe you. However you do have a personal relationship with Wolter and know the person beyond his public self.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 09:54:21 am
I do confess … that I find it FRUSTRATING to have to keep on keeping on posting the same defense over and over and over and OVER again … 4/29/2014 09:59:23 am
@Matt.
Matt Mc
4/29/2014 10:02:49 am
In fairness Phil he does it because there is a relationship there.
Matt Mc
4/29/2014 10:19:19 am
Tara I agree it is a slippery slope and one must be very careful.
Peter
4/30/2014 04:26:23 am
Your friend is an asshole Rev.
Titus Pullo (or Mike whose Dad was from Auburn)
4/29/2014 06:03:52 am
I would defend someone to the point where they find out the background of a "common traveler" in terms of their interests or views. During the financial crisis, I got involved in the local economic club. It was great fun debating keynsian versus austrian economics. I spent some time going to meeting with a local libertarian type group but there was this one guy who I enjoyed talking to and even went to a few college economic talks with...I gave a talk and even let him speak. I really didn't know him at all but we shared the stage. I later learned of some issues that forced to me never again have anything to do with this person. Given Mr. Joseph's past, once Mr. Wolter knew, he should distance himself from him.
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Walt
4/29/2014 08:56:54 am
Seems there are a lot of self-righteous holier-than-thou types around these parts. Which is worse, being friends with a hypothetical law-abiding racist or an open-minded murderer? I can say I wouldn't work with Frank Joseph, but I can't say he's any worse of a person than others I've worked with. There are a lot of racist people in this country, and sometimes it shows up in the last person you'd expect. It'd be a statistical anomaly for everyone commenting here to have no racist co-workers, friends, or family. I call BS, but unfortunately we'll never know.
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Matt Mc
4/29/2014 09:07:56 am
Sure most people have family members or maybe friends with racist tendencies. I know I do and I have not spoken to that part of the family in over 20 years and those Friends I had are former friends. If someone I know spouts racist talk I confront them and if it continues I end the relationship, if it is a co-worker I simply do not interact with them and in my world of freelance working I will never take another job from that client. Sure other might not be as harsh as I am but it is something I take very seriously.
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Varika
4/29/2014 04:02:52 pm
Walt, why are you assuming that one must be worse than the other? The murderer has killed at least one person--but the racist has caused misery regularly and to hundreds. How do you judge which one is worse?
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Walt
4/30/2014 07:16:36 am
That was my point. None of us is qualified to judge others. People here are outraged that fringe authors have befriended a racist. Out in the real world, these fringe authors are a joke for many more reasons than that. Nobody listens to them, considers their ideas, or even acknowledges their existence frankly. So, having "a Frank Joseph problem" is a rather moot point in the long run. A bit like saying the Hindenburg was painted the wrong color.
Mark
9/7/2017 02:20:39 pm
One thing that needs to be recognized is that at times people like Frank use or quote the research of someone they are not associated with, they may even make up quotes, it has happened to me in relationship to Frank.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 12:07:27 pm
I will continue to defend my friends ...
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J.A Dickey
4/29/2014 12:29:06 pm
Mr.Scott Wolter is no more wrongheaded than is Sen. Rand Paul!
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(jad)
4/29/2014 12:34:44 pm
The facts of the matter are that Frank Joseph (collins) did his
typo... COLLIN, not collins
4/29/2014 12:50:05 pm
his last name as a Nazi organizer
there are Irish Cohens...too
4/29/2014 12:56:18 pm
if this poor woman was a very very very very distant cousin of his,
Varika
4/29/2014 04:04:29 pm
Why don't you slap "your friends" on the side of the head and tell them to get said heads screwed on straight, instead? You'd be a better friend if you did.
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Clint Knapp
4/29/2014 05:12:13 pm
A defense would imply some form of intelligent deflection and countering of blows. All you've done is repeat the same thing over and over, Phil. That's not defending. That's curling up in a ball and screaming while you wait for your opponent to attack from a different angle.
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Mark L
4/29/2014 09:45:38 pm
How about, rather than post exactly the same thing hundreds of times on a blog you clearly completely disagree with, why not ask your friend why he's happy to be associated with a Nazi, one who seems to have not abandoned too many of his views?
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 11:51:45 pm
LOL …
Matt Mc
4/30/2014 12:30:37 am
I think this quote is fitting to this conversation
Peter
4/30/2014 04:30:16 am
The purpose of this blog is not to bash Mr. Wolter. That is a stupid statement. Your friend is an asshole. That is a fact.
Dan
4/29/2014 02:10:42 pm
I suspect that while the Nazi party stuff is troubling to the fringe writers that have associated with Joseph, its really the pedophilia that probably troubles them more. I mean, as much as we can argue about the effect of race and ethnic bias on the fringe theories and their dismissal of Native American culture and their Euro-biases, all sides of the argument (no matter how fringe) can agree that child molestation is an evil that can't be justified in any rational way.
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Harry
4/30/2014 01:05:31 am
If Jacques de Mahieu and Frank Joseph engaged in sober scholarship, backed up by sound evidence and the work of qualified, disinterested scholars, and did not promote theories based on white supremacy, then their prior history of Nazism would arguably be irrelevant to a consideration of those theories. The fact that none of that is true makes their Nazism very relevant. De Mahieu, by the way, was a member of the SS in World War II, so he also presumably wore a Nazi uniform.
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An Over-Educated Grunt
4/30/2014 01:43:53 am
Slight nitpick. Mahieu might have been a member of Division "Charlemagne," but there was a difference (at least in the minds of the Nazi leadership) between "xx Waffen-Division der SS" and "xx SS-Division." The former were foreign collaborators and fellow-travelers, but not truly members of the SS, with German watchers. They were as much SS men as the Foreign Legion are French citizens, and served a similar purpose, if the Germans had won (admittedly unlikely at the late stage of the war where they started organizing non-Germanic SS divisions), or, perhaps a more direct comparison, like the Germanic mercenaries used by the Romans to supplement their own dwindling manpower as the empire aged. So yes, he had lightning-bolt collar tabs, but he wasn't an "SS man" in the eyes of those who were inarguably SS men.
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Cargile
4/30/2014 02:52:28 am
Was Frank Joseph Collins and his right to march American Nazis caricatured in the "Blues Brothers"?
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Matt Mc
4/30/2014 02:56:50 am
Yes that was based on Frank Collins
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Gunn
4/30/2014 05:28:49 am
I'm enjoying the commentary here and learning a lot from it. Earlier, I decided to do my own Frank Joseph Collin Google search to see what might pop up. I had wondered what could "possess" a man to turn so violently against his own father's heritage, and I did in fact discover a mention or two about his apparent hatred of his father. Whether or not this same hatred contributed to his conviction for homosexual child molestation is another matter entirely. Seemingly, the man is self-tormented, besides being outwardly tormenting to others.
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Gunn
4/30/2014 05:32:17 am
Be careful you don't get tarnished by Scott, as Scott has apparently been tarnished by Frank. Some of Scott's viewpoints are quite devilish. I, for one, would not want to consort with Bill Maher, for instance, even though I might pray for him. Your friend is carelessly damaging himself, in my opinion, and you are taking unnecessary blows here defending him.
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(jad) imoho
4/30/2014 12:56:15 pm
Jerry Springer began his career as an aide to Bobby Kennedy
Gunn
4/30/2014 03:06:10 pm
Speaking of looking for the truth, all evidence shows that Bobby Kennedy was shot from behind, and low. Sirhan, obviously under the influence of hypnosis, shot at Kennedy from in front of him. They were always facing one another. This is no puzzle; this is American injustice in perpetual motion. There is nothing to figure out in the tragic, conspiratorial murder of Bobby, when it comes to understanding with clarity that Sirhan did not shoot him. It only takes five minutes to see that a patsy still sits rotting away in the lumpy, fast-aging form of Sirhan Sirhan. Where's the outrage? Maybe Jerry Springer should be forced to trade places with Sirhan, in which case we might end up with more justice being served than is now the case.
(jad)
4/30/2014 08:23:16 pm
Gunn, you are often blunt, direct and honest...
Martin R
5/3/2014 07:40:47 am
I guess the posters here are unable to resist Rev. Phil. They rise to his well-designed comments - designed to highjack the blog - like trout to a well-tied fly. It's kind of funny, actually.
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william smith
5/4/2014 10:25:44 am
Birds of a feather flock together - I met Frank Joseph, Scott Wolter and Wayne May at the 2005 AAPF conference and the history of Frank as a child molester was whispers at that time, however the Burrows Cave artifacts were being pushed as authentic and big money was being spent to find the so called cave. When Frank was serving time in prison Mr. Burrows was a guard at that same prison. To call Scott Wolter a professional because you have known him for 25 years is your opinion. The only question remaining is what profession is he? Very few academics in archaeology would seek any advise from these self claimed professionals.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 10:42:34 am
Scott Wolter is a professional geologist, and it is in that context that he and I have had an ongoing professional relationship, having worked together for 25+ years on several earth science educational projects …
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Only Me
5/4/2014 01:24:02 pm
Nope. It's YOUR problem. Your bias is Brobdingnagian, and the way you discard the truth in favor of your manufactured propaganda rivals the sensationalism of early 20th century yellow journalism.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 02:33:22 pm
LOL ….
Only Me
5/4/2014 03:25:09 pm
Yes, you are biased and prejudiced and no amount of denial will undo your past statements proving both.
william smith
5/5/2014 05:05:00 pm
Rev. Were you with Scott Wolter when he studied the NH Mystery stone? He called it a likely Indian artifact. Had he not been so focused on looking for a hooked X on the Mystery Stone he would have studied the stone composition and found it only exist on the fault line in France, Spain and Portugal. It has a signature by comparing the small white crystals in the stone which are created by pressure generated underground when these platonic plates come in contact. I do not claim to be a professional like you and Scott, however the next business meeting you have with him tell him I have located the sister stone to this lodestone from a compass found in NY that he rejected years ago. Also tell him the oval stone on the west archway in the Newport Tower will not have sun light on it on Dec. 21st. You can also tell him the Kensington Rune Stone has a .022 in. mechanical wear line which indicates it was made to stand in an upright position and not buried to be found by linking mooring stone holes. He has my number because the last time I talked to him he threatened to sue me. You can also tell him that Harvard has rejected the fake paper that states Jesus was married to Mary. 7/22/2015 04:03:58 pm
It's my understanding that before he encountered Nielsen and the KRS his employment was describing potential roads for the state. After KRS (and the FACT that I gave him my great grandfather's 1890 chisel to help in his research and the ...fellow has NOT returned it). Collin (aka 'Joseph) is a creep and Wolter is just a plain punk... Please feel free to contact me if you disagree.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 03:46:19 pm
Patiently … not for the first time (nor almost certainly for the LAST) …
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Only Me
5/4/2014 04:16:20 pm
No one has done any such thing. It is a figment of your imagination, nothing more.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 04:49:50 pm
Nonsense …
Only Me
5/4/2014 05:04:23 pm
So bringing Jason's Italian heritage into the discussion and proclaiming the purpose of the blog is to bash Scott as an "Internet sport", is not attacking Jason's character? You've been ascribing a nefarious motive towards him for days, including, a vendetta supported by "secret trash" files. That would be unethical, therefore you've questioned his character.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 05:15:45 pm
This getting really weird …
Only Me
5/4/2014 05:33:52 pm
He also explained quite clearly that the file contained damaging accusations and claims made by, and sent, by others. He further clarified that he didn't use the information because it was relevant to his articles.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 05:37:16 pm
Well, then …
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Only Me
5/4/2014 05:41:56 pm
We can, when you will reciprocate and stay on topic.
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Clint Knapp
5/5/2014 02:04:59 am
Fact: This blog is not about North American history and prehistory.
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Clint Knapp
5/5/2014 02:06:01 am
-1 does.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 05:47:10 pm
Again …
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Only Me
5/4/2014 05:49:43 pm
Still violating the "single repetition of an argument" part of the comment policy.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 10:59:23 am
To quote one of my heroes, Basil Fawlty, "It's perfectly SIMPLE … !!!"
Only Me
5/5/2014 05:34:15 pm
When you stop lying through your teeth about implications that were never made in the first place, people will stop calling you out on it.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 05:38:46 pm
So …
Only Me
5/5/2014 06:34:23 pm
No, I do not. Scott has traveled with, submitted articles to and adapted ideas from two individuals with ties to Nazism. That relationship, professional or otherwise, is pertinent to how he interprets and presents answers to questions about North American prehistory. Bad ideas are bad ideas, regardless of who proposes them. That Scott would even dismiss influential factors that helped form those ideas as "irrelevant and unimportant" is troublesome. Is his narrative so important, that he is willing to overlook the components of racism, white superiority and ideology that are the foundations of de Mahieu's and Joseph's works? These works are reflections of a distorted view that seeks to reinterpret facts in favor of racial identity.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 03:19:28 am
Scott Wolter is NOT "racial identity" zealot of any sort, "Nazi" or otherwise ...
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Matt Mc
5/6/2014 04:11:45 am
Not he only works with them.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 04:33:04 am
As noted previously by another visitor, "guilt by association" is a "Fascist"-"Stalinist" gambit … so I guess you feel comfortable being associated with those folks … ??? 5/6/2014 04:51:07 am
I'm sorry, but aren't we talking about the same Scott Wolter who nodded approvingly on America Unearthed (S02E12) while his "friend" Don Shelby discussed how sad it was that the Knights of the Golden Circle didn't succeed in creating a hemispheric slave super-state, agreeing that you "have to admire" said pro-slavery group? Wolter does a fine job of associating himself with disturbing positions.
Only Me
5/6/2014 05:04:40 am
Stick to the subject, Phil. You asked if I agreed with you that mentioning Scott's association with known Nazis is pointless distraction. I did not, and pointed out how his adaption and defense of their ideas is troublesome.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 05:23:05 am
Scott Wolter's investigations of cultural diffusion and patterns and routes of exploration and migration of peoples have NOTHING to do with "Nazi" ideology …
Only Me
5/6/2014 06:48:10 am
Not Nazi ideology proper, but he has accepted "research" from Jacques de Mahieu asserting Viking-Aryan hegemony over the Americas, and the Templars voyaged to America to mine silver for coins. He also "investigated" Burrows Cave, a known hoax supported by none other than Frank Joseph. Do I need to mention, again, his submission of articles for publication by Joseph?
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 07:14:40 am
Look … "Facts" are FACTS (or not), no matter who first proposes or discovers them …
Matt Mc
5/6/2014 07:28:29 am
The fact is that Wolter has no ethical problems with working with and for a known Nazi leader and Pedophile.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 07:35:51 am
Again … patiently …
Matt Mc
5/6/2014 07:55:09 am
Not my problem at all.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 08:53:24 am
The FACTS of science and of history are FACTS (or not) quite TOTALLY independently of any ideology ...
Matt Mc
5/6/2014 09:11:20 am
The fact is the Wolter has a history or working with or for people who have a documented ideology and that many of Wolter theories have a history of (some cases a foundation) being used to promote a certian ideology.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 09:27:16 am
Well … IF and WHEN Scott Wolter himself starts off on an ideological tangent, then that ideological tangent will be worth discussing vis a vis Scott Wolter …
Matt Mc
5/6/2014 09:42:30 am
Well Rev you see, no one else here has a relationship with Wolter.
Matt Mc
5/6/2014 09:46:41 am
And Rev I forgot to add Wolter does buy into and rant into the anti establishment ideology when it comes to the topics he address, remember he is the one who complains so much about academia and how it follows a fixed paradigm. That is an ideology, maybe there is some truth behind it but his staunch expression of his position represents an ideological viewpoint. So maybe you should talk to him about that.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 09:53:27 am
Indeed, I am the only person in this blog who KNOWS Scott Wolter …and ... I … KNOW … that … HE ... IS ... NOT ... IDEOLOGICALLY … MOTIVATED ... IN ... HIS ... PURSUITS ...
Only Me
5/6/2014 09:57:25 am
More pointless, disjointed drivel.
Rev. Phil Gotach
5/6/2014 10:12:53 am
Again … as often as necessary …
Matt Mc
5/6/2014 10:26:04 am
Seems like personal relationships are preventing rational thinking, so one should look on what you say Rev as coming from someone with such a large personal bias that he cannot see things objectively .
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 10:35:12 am
"Only Me" (whoever you are) --
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 10:50:08 am
Oooops …
Only Me
5/6/2014 11:00:29 am
I don't care that you know Scott Wolter. I don't care that you're his friend, you've been to his house or that both of you like pina coladas and long slow walks on the beach.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 11:06:49 am
Scott Wolter has NOTHING to do with "Nazi" ideology, whether "neo-," or "proto-crypto-," or "esoteric" …
Only Me
5/6/2014 11:12:48 am
Exactly. But YOU are the one that spun a lie to the contrary and laid it upon Jason.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 11:27:09 am
Whoever You Are --
Matt Mc
5/6/2014 12:44:37 pm
First Rev. names Matt, I get the Mack part however, funny how in stating you friend is not a racist you address someone with a potential Irish last name with a common racial slang used in identify Irishmen. Good one defending a friend from racism by using insulting terms yourself does not help ones argument. Now am I calling you a racist, no I just think you are being ignorant and are trying to provoke. I really don't care and I have been called worse names in my life but it goes to show that racism is indeed a topic that is needed to be addressed because in attempts to insult even people of "faith" choose to resort to it to insult others.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 04:12:10 pm
(Whoever You Are) --
Matt Mc
5/7/2014 12:22:45 am
To put it bluntly Rev, I do not buy your shit. You are a person who comes to this place only to be an asshole. Something you have proved you are.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/7/2014 02:46:05 am
Ah … Now it's cursing and name calling …
Matt Mc
5/7/2014 03:51:27 am
Nope just the statements of facts.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/6/2014 04:56:11 am
LOL …
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An Over-Educated Grunt
5/7/2014 02:03:26 am
Across the street from where I work, there's a parking lot that used to be a warehouse rail siding. All they did was pave over the rails; they can actually still be seen leading into the parking lot.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/7/2014 04:22:44 am
"Matt" (whoever you are) --
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Matt Mc
5/7/2014 04:28:21 am
No Rev I really hate calling anyone names, I just do not take kindly or let Racists or people who like to call people names using racist terms. Nor should anyone.
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Matt Mc
5/7/2014 04:37:45 am
And I am done out of respect for Jason and the people who come to visit the site. Now I know a bit more about Phil and it makes everything more clear now.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/7/2014 04:48:36 am
EXCELLENT …
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SteveStC
5/7/2014 05:34:45 pm
See? Jason-and-his-keyboard mention Wolter and tons of comments flood in. Stand by for even more irrelevant blog posts about SW. Jason needs the attention. The next one will probably be about Scott speaking at some Masonic lodge.
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Only Me
5/7/2014 08:58:28 pm
Stand by for more pointless bitching by Steve. The next round will probably be about Jason being obsessive and having no objectivity. Steve needs to drop by to remind everyone he still trolls.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/8/2014 02:34:33 am
LOL …
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Sean
5/28/2014 04:11:02 am
A small correction about Frank Collins' biography. You write that he lost his Nazi leadership position due to the relevations about his father being Jewish, buit this isn't quite right. It was in the wake of these revelations that he left the National Socialist White People's Party (then the biggest openly Nazi party in the US), but he insisted they weren't true, and it was after this that he formed the splinter party he became leader of - the National Socialist Party of America. This was the party involved in the legal case about the march on Skokie.
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5/28/2014 07:11:44 am
Thank you for the correction, Sean. I've updated the post above to reflect the correct information.
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7/12/2014 05:54:21 am
I wrote a story set in the aftermath of Frank Collin; I went up to Skokie in 2006-2007 wondering what kind of pedophile faggot would go around wearing a Nazi-Uniform. I normally don't share my blog on the social network I hang out at but I think this allows you to illustrate what you say of this human cockroach. Fringe History as a Conservative appeals to me -- the darker side of history man. I shared this on my facebook.com page as Rockaway Township has a situation on their hands that I am going to unleash Skokie Level controversy on them. Jason are you from Chicago? The only other person who speaks of Joseph Collin in this light are those who grew up around Chicagoland and in my leading into Legend Keeper I said to Joseph Collin to stay out of Chicago if you're going to wear that fucking Nazi Uniform because I would use Krav Maga to kick his ass.
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Think
1/5/2015 03:29:25 am
First of all, someone's socio-political views, no matter how twisted, don't make their research any less valid.
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Blue Wren
4/29/2015 02:22:40 pm
Birds of a feather
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Kevin
7/18/2015 03:11:46 pm
Why does it matter that Frank Joseph/Collins was once a Nazi? Except that it's generally uncouth to be racist or supremacist, what bearing does it have on the subject of ancient America?
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7/22/2015 04:25:04 pm
Do you understand the scientific method? Do you understand this CREEP remains a CREEP? Right, denial is not just a river in Egypt... I will PERSONALLY answer ALL your statements defending Frank Collin.
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Theodora
4/11/2016 10:36:22 am
Flavin, you are the most hateful person on the internet. You say "I hate those who hate"....Mmm..see the problem? You truly believe you are imbued with some kind of moral superiority, Typical leftist moron educated beyond his (low) IQ.. Crawl back into your mom's basement. And shut the F... up.
GDA
7/29/2015 07:09:00 am
Jason, Thank you for investing your time in enlightening those who are interested. I've recently stumbled upon the work of Frank Joseph/Frank Calvin. I understand that morally he has a questionable past.
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BillyBob
8/26/2015 04:03:29 am
Sounds to me like someone as influential as Scott Wolter should take a stand and denounce the racist and Nazi ideals that he otherwise is implicit in supporting by acting in cohort with Frank Joseph (Collins.)
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Randy Claywell
7/22/2016 04:00:32 pm
I did research and you are correct about the political and criminal history of Frank Joseph. Unfortunately, that seems to be where your truth, partial (carefully selected) information is a lie. How does his being a ex Nazi pedophile make everything he proposes, especially if he provides the evidence as to how he came to his conclusions, if you disagree with him then verify that his evidence supports or does not support. That is actual, open minded scholarship. But, I see that you condemn with two faced inuendo. If Harry Hubbard was so morally despicable by accepting payment for being a guest editor, where does it say that guest equates with unpaid, if he committed a moral offense by being paid as a "guest editor" then by your character attack ALL of the many, many Democrats who get tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars for each appearance as a "guest speaker ". Where is your outrage at this, according to your words, perfidy.
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Pete
2/24/2017 12:48:54 pm
Wow, George Noory never mentioned any of this shady background when he had Frank Joseph as a guest on Coast to Coast A.M. I bought his book about ancient America after listening to that interview. If I'd known he was a child molester I definitely would not have bought this book!
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