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Garry Nolan Gives an "Alien" Metals Update and Shares His Postmodern UFO Views

5/4/2019

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This past week, Dr. Garry Nolan, the Stanford researcher best known for his work analyzing the stillborn corpse of a Chilean fetus alleged to be a space alien, spoke with researcher M. J. Banias about various Fortean phenomena and their connection to genetics. Nolan was an advisory board member for Tom DeLonge’s To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science from its founding until he resigned last summer citing conflicts of interest between To the Stars and Stanford University. Nolan continues to support To the Stars and to promote its mission and goals. Nolan suggests that the evidence for a UFO phenomenon is “overwhelming,” which is surprising since there remains not a single shred of demonstrable evidence for the presence of space aliens or interdimensional demons on Earth
First, there is a bit of news from Nolan. Banias asked him about the infamous alien “metamaterials” that have quietly disappeared from the forefront of To the Stars’ research despite dominating the company’s first year. These pieces of scrap metal had been claimed to possess properties that made them impossible to fabricate on Earth, but I discovered that previous research had concluded that at least some were pieces of industrial waste. Now Nolan concedes that the some of the unusual properties they thought indicated that the metal had fallen from flying saucers in fact have “very conventional explanations.” Nolan also cautioned the remaining UFO metamaterials researchers to tread carefully or risk being made a fool. Nolan said that he and Jacques Vallée intend to release a “simple” scientific paper that will describe the chemical properties of the metal without making claims for space aliens. “It has nothing to do with alien nothing and otherworldly anything,” he said of the paper. “Chemistry and physics have not caught up” with the isotope ratios in the samples being studied.
 
Nolan, however, believes that the metal samples were created intentionally, and he doesn’t know why anyone would engage in the huge cost of altering metal isotopes only to dispose of the metals in the desert. He declines to speculate about how the metals were created but instead believes the correct question is to ask how the particular metal could be used in technology. This fails the smell test because you can’t assume intentionality. An early analysis from the 2000s suggested that the properties were accidental, the resulting byproduct of industrial processes. You can’t claim that these metals are purpose-built “ultra-materials” (in Nolan’s terms) or used for spacecraft until you eliminate the distinct possibility that the lumps of metal are accidental. The right question isn’t “what could this possibly be used for?” as Nolan says, but “was this artificially and intentionally developed?”
 
I don’t like the fact that Nolan makes a lot of assumptions without realizing that his assumptions aren’t self-evident truths but representations of his own biases.
 
“Maybe these things are just being left as gifts,” he said that he and Vallée speculated. He compares this to laying out a puzzle to test the intelligence of monkeys. This, again, assumes a creator and that assumption connects back to the biases that are coloring their approach to the metal fragments.
 
In the interview, Nolan gave a rather interesting answer to the question of UFO “disclosure” that I think is worth sharing in full:
I try to tell people who are frustrated about this: Look, you need to stop waiting for somebody else to give you permission to know what you know. Right? I mean –I hate the term—it’s very patriarchal that we’re waiting for the government to give us permission to know something we already believe. […] I know what I know. I don’t need anybody else to give me permission.

And so maybe evolution is one of two things: You either realize what reality is because you experienced something strange or you’ve seen enough people or you trust the stories of other people enough to put it together. Everybody else can just sit in the cave while the rest of us walk out onto the savanna and into the future.

That’s the way I look at it. Do you know what? You guys can stay where you are. I’m not here to convince you. I’ve told you what I think—I’ve got other stuff to do.
 
And I’ve lived my life that way. Right? And  I think that the sooner people do that the more calm they will be about what disclosure means. And if they feel strong enough about something that they have to get on a pedestal or soapbox to talk about it, that’s one thing. But don’t expect people are going to believe that. Right? You shouldn’t believe something just because other people believe it. Right? Your belief in it shouldn’t depend on whether other people believe you.
 
You can ask them to challenge your logic, but if you’re going to come to the right conclusion and they don’t have a better challenge, then it’s not your place to convince them. That’s at least the way I think about it. It’s a nice way to do [it], because it frees you.
​It’s interesting that he frames the issue in postmodern terms that emphasize a distrust of authority and presuppose that everyone possesses his or her own truth, which is not a representation of objective reality as much as it is a subject belief. I’m not sure how I feel about a scientist arguing that reality is something of a personal construct or that we should use our own ignorance (confusion over “strange” experience we personally don’t understand) or our own gullibility (“trust” in other people who may be confused, mistaken, deluded, or lying) as a measure of what is true.
 
Nolan also said that he believes in an “immaterial” element of reality and therefore believes that there are what laymen might call a spirit world that manifests in and influences that physical world. Underneath his scientific veneer, Nolan advocates something of a Gnostic vision of reality, and he even admits that the discussion becomes “spiritual” very quickly.
 
I found this particular passage to be particularly illuminating because it reveals quite a bit about the underlying motives of researchers on the edges of the weird. When Nolan says that he no longer feels compelled to convince other people to accept his beliefs (note—not “truth” and not “conclusions”), it speaks eloquently to the fact that UFO culture has become a kind of faith operating under the rules of religious belief rather than scientific investigation.
 
Nolan speculates about what he sees as problems in the standard model of physics that he thinks indicate that reality isn’t real, and he said that he thinks that it’s “freakin’ amazing” that God or something similar may have designed our reality.
 
And there you have it: The hunt for the Fortean is really a search for God, through the medium of demons that fly through the sky and pelt us with chunks of heavenly metal.
39 Comments
Incarnation
5/4/2019 08:36:21 am

Only the Annunciation was the real extraterrestrial contact between aliens and mankind.

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Pope John Paul III
5/4/2019 10:15:03 am

Thou speakest the truth, O Blessed Incarnation commenter!

But the Great Mystery of the Annunciation is not the Greatest Mystery involving the Blessed Virgin Mary.

What I would add to your statement is to invoke the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary into heaven in both her body and her soul

I refer you to the sacred text of Holy Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary

I humbly quote one of my predecessors:

On 1 November 1950, in the Apostolic Constitution Munificentissimus Deus Pope Pius XII declared the Assumption of Mary as a dogma:

“By the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.”

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Tudlaw
5/5/2019 12:33:00 am

And remember that a previous 19th century Pope enshrined Papal infallibility in the C. Church's teaching. It's very convoluted and can best be described as a Moebius Uroboros con. The master of the M.U. in the modern era is of course Scott Wolter.

Not allowed
5/5/2019 05:00:29 am

family planning is rejected in Eastern Europe because the Vatican says so, Eastern Europe takes the Vatican seriously to that extent (pun intended)

Martin McCrary
7/1/2023 09:57:45 am

When you see UAP's discharging material and you can't find it. We know why now. This is discharged when their propulsion systems have to expel used bi-product. Wow what a find and discovery. Thanks professor.

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Accumulated Wisdom
5/4/2019 11:21:15 am

What a waste of money. If, they really wanted to test extraterrestrial metal, I would suggest tracking down the samples of meteoric iron used in the Great Pyramid.

I hope your new book devotes at least one chapter to this subject.

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Kent
5/4/2019 02:07:31 pm

Care to save us some time and substantiate that (without relying on a book you don't remember)?

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meteoric iron
5/4/2019 02:19:57 pm

Try books by Immanuel Velikovsky & Alan Alford

Accumulated Wisdom
5/4/2019 02:21:44 pm

http://www.catchpenny.org/iron.html


Found where my wife stashed my paperbacks. I thought she had gotten rid of them. Once I have time to sort through them, there will be more quotations to follow.

Kent
5/4/2019 02:34:24 pm

Yes, I already read that. It concludes that the iron under discussion is of late medieval origin and not part of the pyramid's construction. Anything that supports your position rather than contradicts it?

Here's a beauty
5/4/2019 02:36:03 pm

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/030751333201800102

Kent
5/4/2019 02:39:52 pm

This article is about beads. Beads weren't "used in the Great Pyramid".

G. A . WAINWRIGHT
5/4/2019 08:26:31 pm

The article was by Egyptologist Gerald Avery.Wainwright, (1879-1964), who wrote about meteoric iron in pyramids.

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Kent
5/4/2019 09:56:30 pm

True as that is, and the "by G.A. Wainwright" is kind of a giveaway, the article is still about trinkets. If one of the workers pooped would you say that coprolites were "used in the Great Pyramid"?

Be better, it's really not difficult.

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Be better
5/5/2019 04:55:48 am

Hey, I can write what I like and you are not some infallible Pope.

David Evans
5/5/2019 10:17:52 am

"The hunt for the Fortean is really a search for God"

Isn't that a large conclusion to base on the example of one man? I personally take an interest in Fortean topics and am certainly not (unless I deceive myself) searching for God.

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Evan Davidson
5/5/2019 03:58:04 pm

And if it's stillborn is it really a fetus?

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Jockobadger
5/6/2019 01:15:54 pm

Hear, hear! Well spoken David Evans. A better statement might be: The hunt for the Fortean is sometimes a search for God.

or

The hunt for the Fortean can be equivalent to a search for God.

or

Etc.

I guess that God could be deceiving me to the extent that while I only think I have an interest in the Fortean, it's really God making me look for Him - even though I'm not aware of it.

Sneaky Bastard

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Michael Redmond
5/6/2019 12:02:40 am

You have no comment whatsoever, Jason, regarding Nolan's remarks on "Fortean phenomena and their connection to genetics"?

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Homer Sextown
5/6/2019 05:52:33 pm

"I don’t like the fact that Nolan makes a lot of assumptions without realizing that his assumptions aren’t self-evident truths but representations of his own biases."

Might be worth reflecting on that the next time you type "right wing" or "alt-right".

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HUGH'S POO
5/7/2019 03:31:43 am

I'm back friends, by poopular demand no less.

Talking of strange substances, I squeezed out a few ratios of alien-scented isotopes this morning and let me tell you that I saw stars, pushing my well practiced bowels to their limits!
Oooh the leavings were even better than the lumps I left at the Cyclopean & Polygonal Walls of Ancient Ferentino, Italy.
Some silly researchers believe aliens must have a hand in building those walls;
I hope they find the megalithic heap I left them.

Arr better go strangely I had a very strong Chili last night, but I doubt I'll pass a fetus folks!

Back next time, when my faithful companion P-P and blast a few Cumberland links out at an upcoming UFO conference. I wont flush. Ha!

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WTF
5/7/2019 06:08:43 am

Pseudo-babble connected with mainstream right & left wing politics

There's more than enough garbage in everyday real life, without discussing the likes of Graham Hancock, EvD and Scott Wolter.

Take a look around you. Loads and loads of white supremacy prejudice in real life without turning to Pseudohistorical literature.

The Band Aid Concerts in USA and UK to raise money for poverty in Africa was a classic example of White Supremacy. Black African countries are without the know-how to build an economic successful state like Whites.

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Tudlaw
5/7/2019 03:12:22 pm

Famine in Ethiopia, not "poverty in Africa". Africa is a shithole (and beautiful at the same time) for a multitude of reasons ably outlined by Thomas Sowell in Conquests and Cultures. Many Africans have followed Sam Kinison's advice to "MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!"

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Dr. Rushton
5/8/2019 12:30:46 am

Chalky white people died of starvation and suffered from malnutrition in droves in various areas of Europe, for example in Ireland and Scotland. If one can figure out why it happened in those places then figuring out how it happened in various parts of Africa shouldn't be all that hard.

Diamond Jared
5/7/2019 07:00:06 pm

"Black African countries are without the know-how to build an economic successful state like Whites."

What part of experience suggests that is not true?

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WTF
5/8/2019 12:52:15 am

STOP PRESS !!!

Charities have stopped being involved in African countries
Economies are booming in Africa and famine & poverty have disappeared !!!

David Evans
5/7/2019 06:26:12 am

Is Band Aid really the most cogent example of white supremacy you can find?

WTF indeed.

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Band Aid
5/7/2019 07:21:16 am

Au contraire, are you joking....?
High profile example indeed it is.

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Accumulated Wisdom
5/10/2019 10:00:43 am

"Because of its very rarity some have been inclined to doubt the authenticity of this piece of iron but professor Flinders Petrie rightly defends it.-'The vouchers for it are very precise and it has a cast of a nummulite on the rust of it, proving it to have been buried for ages beside a block of nummulitic limestone (which forms a large part of the core masonry of the pyramid), and therefore to be certainly ancient. No reasonable doubt can therefore exist about its being a really genuine piece used by Pyramid masons.'"

Any Geologists want to explain "Nummulite"?

"This question is made even more puzzling by the discovery of a piece of smelted iron, presumed to be part of a tool, found in the Great pyramids centuries before the iron age began. A piece of smelted iron, an artifact out of its own time."


Several books from the 1970s mention metals as proof of either Atlantis, aliens, pre-columbian contact, or some made-up line of bullshit. I am still looking for references to the Staples/clamps unique to the Great Pyramid. Several Central and South American pyramids have this feature. The Great Pyramid is the only Egyptian example. The only Egyptian staple/clamp found in place was said to be a "fusion of nickel and tin" and not duplicated until the modern 1930s. I remember seeing these featured in many of Erich Von Do books. In particular, "Pathway to the Gods". I only mention the book because of the pictures contained therein.

Found several quotes most suitable for the Greaves post. Authors from the 1970s didn't realize the Ptolemy connection to Greaves. "Why would astronomers travel to all these sacred places?"...The same reason Hughes de Payan's group did!


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Accumulated Wisdom
5/10/2019 10:16:22 am

Sorry. I got ahead of myself.

The first quote came from, "Pyramid Prophecies" by, "Max Toth" page 209.

Second quote from, "The Outer Space Connection" by, Alan and Sally Landsburg. Forward by Rod Serling, page 65.

No ISBN on either book.

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Kent
5/10/2019 05:34:19 pm

So this is your lengthy way of saying you've got nothing?

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Pooper Pooperton
5/10/2019 07:22:32 pm

"Any Geologists want to explain "Nummulite"?"

Do they not have Google where you live Anthony? Seriously are you trying to be an idiot?

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Accumulated Wisdom
5/10/2019 08:36:13 pm

"Do they not have Google where you live Anthony? Seriously are you trying to be an idiot?"

Google doesn't tell me how a fossil is transferred to metal. I would like to understand the process.

Kent
5/10/2019 09:13:14 pm

They don't. Jesus Christ you're an idiot.

Accumulated Wisdom
5/10/2019 09:23:29 pm

Improperly worded. How long does it take to form a "cast of a nummulite on the rust"?

Kent
5/10/2019 11:19:36 pm

As I said before...

Accumulated Wisdom
5/11/2019 01:24:18 pm

So...You don't know.

Where is Jim???

RICHARD GARRARD
5/14/2019 03:22:24 pm

As Carl Jung said, it's a religion. The fact that it's mixed with poor science fiction and aggressive LARPing increases marketability but adds even more incoherence.

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Nena Houston
10/21/2020 04:33:05 am

"Nolan suggests that the evidence for a UFO phenomenon is “overwhelming,” which is surprising since there remains not a single shred of demonstrable evidence for the presence of space aliens or interdimensional demons on Earth."

Conflation. Evidence for a UFO phenomenon is not equal to what you state (i.e. "evidence for the presence of space aliens..."). This is a common misconception. The unknowns in Project Blue book alone are sufficient to evidence the existence of a UFO phenomenon, regardless of what that phenomenon might transpire to be (plasma in the atmosphere, 'secret' test aircraft, mass hallucinations or...evidence of non-human technology).

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