George Knapp: Christian Fundamentalists in the Pentagon Shut Down Government Paranormal and UFO Probes Due to Demon Fears
According to the company’s semiannual report, they plan to make back the money by monetizing their search for extraterrestrial metals. They are currently paying their own executive Hal Puthoff $35,000 to analyze “reliable” reports of UFO scrap metal at Puthoff’s other company, Earth Tech. But they say in their SEC filing that, basically, they can only really make money by taking on debt or selling more stock.
In related news, since To the Stars is close cousins to the rest of the Robert Bigelow Extended Multimedia UFO Universe, with whom it shares characters and plot lines, regular readers will remember that the recent Hunt for the Skinwalker documentary drew heavily on videos shot by Las Vegas journalist George Knapp. In September Knapp gave an interview about this to Open Minds, which published a transcript yesterday. The PR firm representing Hunt for the Skinwalker offered me an interview with Knapp, which I accepted. Knapp, however, declined to speak to me and has done only friendly interviews, avoiding skeptics and challenges to the Skinwalker narrative.
One of the criticisms I have had of Knapp is that he seems to have acted unethically, prioritizing his close relationship with billionaire UFO nut Robert Bigelow, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch until 2016, over the public that as a journalist he is supposed to serve. Why, for example, did he not report what he knew about Skinwalker Ranch (or thought he knew, I guess) for decades? “Well, first and foremost, I made a promise to him. I know there are other journalists who operate differently, but look, this was a long-term study; there was no hurry, there was no reason to sprint,” Knapp told Open Minds’ Alejandro Rojas. He repeated the same thing a bit later: “I mean, as journalists, we have to sort of figure out whether we’re crossing a line. I never felt I crossed the line because the promise I had made, I kept and I never revealed information. I knew someday I’d be able to record it and I wasn’t in a hurry because this was a long-term study, a long-term project.” That rubs me the wrong way. Imagine supposedly knowing that a portal to another dimension exists in a certain place and deciding it wasn’t worth reporting and there was no hurry about it. Imagine agreeing to hide facts that you supposedly know for twenty years, distorting all your other UFO reports by omitting key information known to you. Is there any other field where this kind of excuse would fly?
Knapp makes some laughable claims in the interview. For example, when he relates how Bigelow’s men gave up their investigation when they failed to turn up evidence of the paranormal, look at how he frames it: “So, the activity had gone underground, there wasn’t enough for the team to do, there weren’t enough paranormal incidents, so basically, they gave up. I mean, the phenomena had made it clear that it was not going to cooperate; it destroyed some cameras, it was just not playing ball.” So how did it destroy the cameras? Wasn’t this “paranormal activity” that could be studied? Apparently not. And why not? Most likely because there wasn’t anything but a bunch of frightened idiots scaring themselves in the dark. Along the way, Knapp also confirms that he secretly shared information about UFOs with then-senator Harry Reid to feed Reid’s interest in flying saucers. This confirms earlier reporting that Reid helped establish the Pentagon’s UFO research program, which contracted with Bigelow, after Knapp helped facilitate communication between Reid and Bigelow about UFOs.
But the most important part of the interview came when Knapp spoke of how the Defense Intelligence Agency read the book about the Skinwalker Ranch that Knapp wrote at the behest of Bigelow and decided that it was important for government research into the paranormal. It’s important enough to quote at greater length than I would usually provide:
And then, in 2007, a guy from the DIA reached out to Bob Bigelow and said, “I just read this book about The Skinwalker Ranch, I’m really interested in it, can I go?” And Bob Bigelow said, “Yeah. Fly to Las Vegas, I’ll take you out there.” They did. The guy sort of got the idea that what is associated with UFOs might actually be a much broader perspective of paranormal phenomena, that UFOs are not an end to themselves, that it represents the tip of the iceberg, and he wanted to take a look. And he wasn’t there for five minutes, then he had an experience. [...] And this thing appeared inside the house, in broad daylight, and I’m not going to get into details about what it was, but it was pretty distinct and remarkable and it made a very big impression on this guy.
For the moment, we have only Knapp’s word for it, but what he reports is startlingly similar to what Nick Redfern reported in his discussion of the so-called Collins Elite, and it is similar, too, to what Jacques Vallée describes in his Forbidden Science, namely that some members of the military and the intelligence community, having absorbed a great deal of fringe literature—Vallée was aghast to discover that officials were using his Passport to Magonia as a research source, since he knew exactly how little he actually knew about the subject!—have used their positions to push for government-funded research into the paranormal. According to Knapp, they are opposed by Christian fundamentalists in the Evangelical-dominated military hierarchy: “they’re basically high-level people in different intelligence agencies who are fundamentalist Christians; who think that anything involving UFOs and the paranormal is satanic, that by studying it we invite Satan into this world, and they wanted it killed for those reasons.” Knapp claims that the Evangelicals convinced the Pentagon to end funding for occult studies.
That was one of the saddest sentences I’ve ever written. But the funny thing is that I don’t really doubt it. Paranormal enthusiasts and Christian demonologists almost certainly exist in the Pentagon ranks, and they probably exert more power than anyone would like to admit, though likely not in any formal way. How many times, for example, have we seen stories about Evangelical extremism in the Air Force? But that doesn’t make their beliefs true, any more than the government’s long-ago belief that Native American mounds were the work of a lost white race could make that lie true.
It’s hard to know whom to root for when Godzilla and Mothra are fighting. No good comes out of Evangelicals worrying that the government is tempting Satan, and no good comes from New Age zanies wasting taxpayer money chasing poltergeists and dimensional portals across the desert.
Rojas declined to push Knapp on the claims, or to demand specifics. Instead, he simply accepted the story with a “Wow.” No wonder Knapp didn’t want to tell his story to me. I would have questions.
10/17/2018 10:41:45 am
Yep, that's basically the same story told to me back in 2007/2008 for my 2010 book, "Final Events." Namely, that many of the people were religious extremists (evangelical) and were convinced that the UFO phenomenon was literally demonic.
10/17/2018 12:05:12 pm
10/17/2018 01:39:44 pm
10/18/2018 01:39:34 pm
GDave - Thanks for the reply and honestly, there's not much I can write in response to your thoughtful comments - with the exception of No.1. I'm definitely NOT lying! Ha! But, as you rightly point out, I AM just a guy on the internet.
10/19/2018 10:13:09 am
10/20/2018 07:46:51 pm
I had a UFO sighting about 30 years ago. It was definitely unidentified. I spoke about it recently with my friend who was there. He thought there was a third person there, a friend of ours, but that wasn't possible because we had ridden to the site on my motorcycle. Memory, all alone in the moonlight...
10/21/2018 05:09:17 pm
The Bible does not hide the fact that a dimension beyond this one exists. A Rebel got infatuated with his attributes which gave him a big Ego. Man was created whom God crowned His "Greatest creation". Nothing changed the quest for power still has it's allure. And anything or anyone in the way of that power...is "open season"
10/17/2018 02:07:30 pm
10/18/2018 02:08:11 pm
Great post, Geack! Excellent analogy and absolutely on-target. It's why I enjoy this blog and particularly the comments section. I guess the only comment I have revolves around the raw numbers of gnomes being seen and the apparent reliability of fellow geologists that are seeing them. Are we all nuts? Or hallucinating without realizing it as noted above by GDAVE? It's entirely possible. I sure hope it wasn't a hallucination.
10/18/2018 01:17:12 pm
Unless you actually caught it and touched it, you can't actually say for sure that "it wasn't ANY of the usual suspects," with scientific rigor the most you can say is that you could not IDENTIFY it as any of the usual suspects. You should know this.
10/18/2018 02:10:08 pm
George A. Custer
10/17/2018 12:32:10 pm
"Men, remember, as we ride into battle here at the Little Big Horn, no prisoners. We have the Indians surrounded."
10/17/2018 01:12:29 pm
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the story of how Delta Green was shut down.
10/18/2018 01:55:19 pm
Ten points for Hufflepuff, sir!
10/17/2018 06:23:20 pm
"One of the criticisms I have had of Knapp is that he seems to have acted unethically, prioritizing his close relationship with billionaire UFO nut Robert Bigelow, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch until 2016, over the public that as a journalist he is supposed to serve."
10/18/2018 01:55:13 pm
"No different in that regard from Paley, Sulzberger, Luce, Graham now Bezos, Mike Wallace, Bob Woodward...."
10/18/2018 09:12:24 pm
a. DeLonge luvvvs to fool and make fun of the rubes;
10/21/2018 08:11:52 pm
Where did we put the lighter?
10/18/2018 08:42:28 am
"That was one of the saddest sentences I’ve ever written. But the funny thing is that I don’t really doubt it. Paranormal enthusiasts and Christian demonologists almost certainly exist in the Pentagon ranks, and they probably exert more power than anyone would like to admit, though likely not in any formal way."
10/18/2018 01:00:23 pm
William, I believe that Jason meant that there are almost certainly Evangelical and Fundamentalist military members in positions of power who use that power to further the aims of their religious views--possibly even with the purest of intentions. Evangelicals in particular are highly likely to be demonologists--since "demonology" is "the study of demons" and devils and demons play a larger role in the Evangelical viewpoint than, say, Baptist ways. In other words, a "Christian demonologist" is any Christian, from any sect, who thinks demons should be studied. Not the same thing as Evangelical or Fundamentalist, but not mutually exclusive, either. If some Evangelical three-star general sincerely believes that demons are a threat to American society and that the problem needs to be studied for a solution, isn't he, in his own mind, negligent if he DOESN'T use his position to urge this research? What's sad is that the general actually BELIEVES this, really.
10/18/2018 02:34:14 pm
V - I understand your point about negligence on the part of our general if he and his minions don't study the demons. Makes perfect sense. Trump should immediately demand that "His" generals get busy and find out what (if anything) is going on here!
10/19/2018 02:39:26 am
Have you met many three-star generals? I am not saying Fundamentalist or Evangelist generals can't or don't exist. But, to get to the position they are in, most senior officers are highly educated, very smart people who are well grounded and evidence based in their outlook. They also tend to be politicians who would be very hesitant to pin their star on someone who is a professed demonologist. Now, it is more than possible that closeted demonologists exists in the higher ranks and that could certainly affect their outlook, I believe they probably would not last long unless they can separate their military thinking from their personal beliefs, hard to do. At any rate if a cabal of demonologist exists in the Pentagon and are using their influence to affect military policy in that direction, the Washington Post would have a field day and we would know about it by now.
10/19/2018 07:33:40 pm
Evangelical Christians are very active at the Air Force Academy. Google Mikey Weinstein and the freedom from religion foundation.
10/18/2018 01:33:54 pm
Zanies and ufo nuts...despite the military evidence that proves there is something to all this, Jason continues his uneducated bullying and "look at me being a contrarian calling everyone out", yet he debates no one. The spirit of Phil Klass lives on with Jason...label them and dismiss them and promote yourself as the bad guy for attention.
10/18/2018 09:22:52 pm
You seem to be saying "Live your life the way I want you to."
10/18/2018 11:01:01 pm
Oh, I forgot to mention that now you're on the hook to provide citations for "the military evidence that proves there is something to all this" that you asserted. Debate, bitch!
10/19/2018 09:09:10 pm
Jason can do his own talking right? What I seem to say appears to be whatever you want it to be, what I mean is what I said. I don't think we need cable TV producers deciding who are experts are...unless you want Joe Nickell and James McGaha up there also for a second rate circus. The ufo field has rational and skeptical researchers that aren't in the limelight or writing blogs trying to make a name for themselves. There are military witnesses past and present, old and new previously classified documents. That doesn't mean everything is alien but apparently those who did deal with some of this, think it might be.
10/19/2018 11:20:06 pm
You've managed to combine faggotry with putrefaction in a bilious cloud of nonsense.
10/19/2018 12:51:37 am
Yeah, Double Down
10/19/2018 04:30:31 am
You know that's all insanity, right?
10/19/2018 07:24:09 am
Lock stock and barrel
10/19/2018 11:21:52 am
Lieutenant! Engage the Quantum Field Generator! Let's show these flyboys what a Tic-Tac can REALLY DO!
10/19/2018 03:01:29 pm
You are an incredible idiot. You are *speculating* about plasma, which has been well researched. A "mole" is "the amount or sample of a chemical substance that contains as many constitutive particles, e.g., atoms, molecules, ions, electrons, or photons, as there are atoms in 12 grams of carbon-12" (plagiarized from wikipedia) In other words a mole doesn't need a microscope.
10/19/2018 07:59:42 pm
10/19/2018 09:28:48 pm
You're wrong and everything is alien.
10/19/2018 11:26:01 pm
So, Bezalel, in his longwinded way, said he doesn't know physics and can't do calculus. Imagine my surprise.
10/19/2018 11:37:33 pm
"....Of course humans are the likely answer, now you just need some witnesses and proof that you're correct, just like alien believers do..."
10/19/2018 11:57:27 pm
"Bezalel...said he doesn't know physics and can't do calculus."
10/20/2018 01:48:53 am
"One does not use calculus to solve real physics problems."
10/20/2018 12:49:56 pm
Christ on toast
10/20/2018 08:03:29 pm
I have a degree in math, bitch. And I know better than to underrate calculus.
10/20/2018 11:36:08 pm
"Suppose we take a bit of matter and generate enough energy to remove the electrons from that matter. What happens? Your high school physics tells you...there's no space here.
10/21/2018 10:09:58 pm
Let it go, son
10/21/2018 10:28:25 pm
Best. Epithets. Ever.
10/21/2018 11:53:04 pm
"Can't believe you claim a degree in math and don't know what PDE's are."
10/22/2018 05:17:48 pm
Yeah, what I thought
10/18/2018 04:59:15 pm
What? respectful debate with no personally demeaning comments? Proper thing. Great write up here by Jason and everyone else. Very interesting stuff.
10/19/2018 02:34:08 am
Mothra. Always back Mothra.
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