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Giorgio Tsoukalos: Atlantis Was a Flying Island, Aliens Brought Robots and Airplanes to Greece

1/21/2014

37 Comments

 
It’s been a while since we’ve heard from our friend Giorgio Tsoukalos, but the online iKypros.com published a Greek-language profile of the Ancient Aliens star yesterday, apparently reprinted from the Greek Espresso tabloid newspaper, and it contains a few gems. Since it’s written in Greek, a few translations of the relevant and interesting sections are in order, starting with the first paragraph, which is a doozy:

His hairstyle choices ... may seem strange, but they have perhaps played a role in his international recognition as one of the most famous proponents of the theory that the heavenly beings mentioned in all religions were nothing more than visitors from outer space! (ellipses in original)

(All translations in this blog post are my own.)

The article, written by Manos Tsagkarakis (as I transliterate his name), describes Tsoukalos as “the star with the weird hairdo” but is nevertheless thrilled that he is of Greek decent.

The reporter gives Tsoukalos’s birthdate as March 14, 1978, which I’m happy to have since Tsoukalos’s age has been reported differently in other sources. It describes his childhood in Switzerland, his fluency in multiple languages (English, French, German, Greek, and Italian), as well as his introduction to the sport of bodybuilding at the age of 13. The profile says that Tsoukalos organized major bodybuilding events, such as Mr. Olympia, while still a teenager, since it claims he was doing this while also earning his bachelor’s degree in sports communication from Ithaca College. He graduated from IC in 1998, at the age of twenty.

(Disclosure: I graduated from IC in 2003, but Tsoukalos had graduated before I started college. I met him only once while I was in school, in 2002, when I interviewed him for a class project.)

Tsoukalos told Tsagkarakis that he has conducted in-person investigations of ancient sites in 54 countries, from which, of course, he has turned up no physical evidence of ancient astronauts. “I believe that aliens inspired earth’s massive monuments, but they did not build them! Perhaps they may have built only Puma Punku in Bolivia,” he said. The reporter then trusts Tsoukalos to provide “factual” information about Puma Punku and falsely reports that Puma Punku is 12,000 years old (with an exclamation point after the date, no less). Puma Punku is believed to have been built in the centuries before 1000 CE, and the earlier date is based on the incorrect work of Arthur Posnansky, who assumed that nearby Tiahuanaco had been laid out in 15,000 BCE to track the position of the sun in that year.

Tsoukalos told Tsagkarakis that human beings worshiped the aliens as gods and that the Greek gods were not just aliens but super-scientists: “The gods of mythology were space travelers who created genetically-engineered creatures such as the Cyclopes and Centaurs, robots like Talos, and traveled with flying machines,” he said.

He didn’t use qualifications that time, and these are actually testable claims! Let’s see, do we have any skeletons of Cyclopes or Centaurs? No, we don’t. There isn’t a shred of evidence that either creature ever actually existed. Being fluent in German, he is of course aware of the century-old claim by Othenio Abel in 1914 that the Cyclopes were inspired by fossil elephant skulls.

Do we have evidence of robots like Talos? Well, the Greeks and Romans were masters of clockwork masterpieces—the Byzantine emperors had one of the most impressive clockwork “robot” displays in history, by all accounts—but there isn’t even good evidence that Talos was a robot. As Arthur B. Cook demonstrated a century ago, the oldest references to Talos heavily imply that he originated as the Cretan sun god, not as a robot. Only later was the Minoan figure thought to be the last survivor of the Age of Bronze, and still later a man made of bronze, as Apollonius describes him in the Hellenistic Argonautica (4.1639-1693; parallel to the Orphic Argonautica 1358-1360 and Apollodorus (1.9.26).

I’ve described this at length in an earlier blog post, but the highlights are that the “ancient texts” state that Talos was a living creature, that he had a father, and that he had children. Therefore, he was either not a robot or the ancient texts are wrong, in which case we have no evidence to use.

I’ll believe the flying machine claims when Tsoukalos’s trips to 54 countries uncover one. In the case of Greece, the most common assertion is that the Golden Ram who rescued Phrixus and Helle was an airplane. Erich von Däniken made the claim in Odyssey of the Gods (1999), but he was copying from Robert Charroux, who put it this way in The Mysteries of the Unknown (1972): “An important detail is that the golden fleece was that of a flying ram, traditionally identified with a flying machine used by Initiators. This particular relic, which no doubt was the wreck of an airship, was to be located in Georgia” (trans. Olga Sieveking). He, in turn, was echoing the Afrocentrist Drusilla Dunjee Houston, who made the same claim in 1926, attributing the Golden Fleece flying machine to a master race of Ethiopians.

That said, as I outlined in another earlier blog post, the oldest surviving references to the Golden Ram, vase paintings from the fifth century BCE, show the ram swimming, not flying, and both Diodorus (4.47) and pseudo-Eratosthenes (Catasterismi 19) endorsed the idea of a water passage (Diodorus assuming the Ram was a boat), as did most Latin authors, including Ovid, Seneca, and Valerius Flaccus.

Tsoukalos again repeated his claim that the island of Atlantis did not sink into the ocean but instead flew off in to the sky, something that no conceivable reading of Plato (Timaeus and Critias), Strabo (Geography 2.3), Marcellus (in Proclus On Timaeus 1.1), Pliny the Elder (Natural History 6.36), or any other ancient author to mention Atlantis could possibly support. Plato was unusually clear on this point, writing in Timaeus: “But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea” (trans. Benjamin Jowett).

The point, however, is that Tsoukalos knows the stories of centaurs and the Golden Fleece and Talos only from popular sources, not at the deep level needed to really understand the many variants and sort among them to find the truth. Is it any wonder that he prefers to discuss his fans, who wear t-shirts with his picture on them and use the phrase “Tsoukalicious” to describe him? It’s easier to be a personality than a scholar, to make wild claims than to defend them.

Oh, and ladies, Tsoukalos also wants you to know that “in his personal life” he isn’t all about aliens: “he prefers enjoying a good meal with close friends or watching a movie, listening to jazz and opera, and sailing and diving in the sea.”

37 Comments
J.A. Dickey
1/21/2014 06:11:10 am

Jason, to be totally honest, I have more respect for Whitley
Striebers ICE AGE and YOUNGER DRYAS theories said
in the context of PLATO's eternal question inside the wise
REPUBLIC and do I now of the heavily SCI~FI speculative
ideas GT has made public in a big way. This is why your lil
blog can be fun! www.unknowncountry.com is WS's site!!!

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J.A. Dickey
1/21/2014 06:18:42 am

1st comment here hath small typo...

AND = THAN ...as in than do i now

sometimes i am gonzo, this blod is fun!

GT has placed something out there akin

to the Mars fiction of Edgar Rice Burroughs.

GT is not on the same plane as Ray Bradbury

or Jules Verne and if this was fiction totally it

reminds me of the Sci~Fi John W. Campbell

edited for ANALOG Magazine. I can see how

maybe the Nasca lines may have been laid out

from a grid pattern map drawn to scale that a hot

air balloon would have been helpful for or even

if the Ancient Egyptians had hot air balloons it half

the PYRAMIDS, but if you get carped at for assessing

GT's erudite science fiction, your critics are not being fair.

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J.A. Dickey
1/21/2014 06:25:19 am

sorry about that!!! i do truly wish we
had a 5 minute or 30 minute edit
function. Blod = BLOG and indeedy
this thread is gonna be lotz of fun!!!!
you may have been rougher on SW
than you have been GT, i indeedy feel.

J.A. Dickey
1/21/2014 06:39:55 am

pardon my second typo --- "it half EXPLAINS the pyramids"
i shouldn't type hurriedly as i am am trying not to pee my
my middle~aged undies. oh gawwwwwd, i again typed
my comments way too quickly. i am glad i am not drinking
milk or coffee --- i'd be spraying the innards of my laptop.
GT is in rarefied form and he was VERY careful about his
very specific & precise audience! this thread is going to be
fun! i have more reason to take Stanton Friedman seriously
and also John Mack of Harvard as well as poor Whitley S.
than i do GT at this point. Gunn is correct, you have been
mildly critical of SW and he hath lucked into something like
even if the KRS was cut in the 1600s rather than the 1300s.
i think the KRS dates from something other than the 1800s.
Almost peed my bloomers when SW thought the PENTAGON
looks like STONEHENGE. Sir Isaac Newton at one point had studied all the information he could find about Stonehenge...

RLewis
1/21/2014 06:53:37 am

So, knowing that this must tie to some other wild theory - why does he believe Atlantis flew into the sky? Did it become Puma Punku or some other landmark?

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Jason Colavito link
1/21/2014 06:58:40 am

He conflated Atlantis with Greek stories about floating islands, and added in wholly fictitious material that has no textual warrant. I laid it out here: http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/2011/09/ancient-aliens-and-atlantis-part-ii.html. You can also click my name to go to the link.

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RLewis
1/21/2014 07:52:51 am

OK, now I get it. I noticed on AA that he typically associates any mention of "fire and smoke" (e.g. dragons) to some alien aircraft. Evidently, space aliens still use fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine (which must be difficult in airless space).

J.A. Dickey
1/21/2014 07:05:22 am

Am placing INTRADE betting dibs on GOBEKLI TEPE.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first-temple-83613665/

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J.A. Dickey
1/21/2014 06:55:32 am

Jason thinks Benjamin Jowett to be accurate and I agree!
Even if Plato was as heavily censored by Trajan's scribes
as was Josephus, Plato is often specific. Solon is Solon.
Egypt is Egypt. 9000 years is not 9000 months. It sank. It
never flew. Even if a chopper was invented by Atlantis's wise
minds akin to Sikorsky's prototype, Atlantis sank under the
waves. STEAM PUNK hath it's wise retro~tech moments!!!!!

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Fantasy History Watcher
1/21/2014 07:16:15 am

The analogy is listening to David Bowie. Nothing is real and everything is surreal. This is getting off on fantasies.

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not gunn
1/21/2014 07:21:20 am

Hello I'm not-gunn and nowhere on this entry will I attempt to hijack it by mentioning KRS, runestone, and god. Regards. Not-gunn.

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Here goes
1/21/2014 08:27:10 am

"...skeptics point to a number of features of the inscription (on the KRS) that seem to indicate an origin far more recent than its fourteenth-century date stamp would imply. For example, the Swedish term 'ophagelse farth' found on the stone, meaning 'discovery', appears to be not just a mistake but an anachronism. The term has not been found on any other Norse document and could not date to before it was borrowed from the French in the sixteenth century. Intriguingly, however, and perhaps not coincidentally, the term was used frequently by a nineteenth-century historian and author, Gustav Storm, in articles he wrote for a Norwegian-language newspaper that was available in Minnesota. Perhaps a forger, conceivably Ohman, saw the term, assumed it was the correct form for a fourteenth-century runestone, and incorporated into his forgery." (Feder, 2011)

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J.A Dickey
1/21/2014 09:06:26 am

I do admit i am guilty up above by talking about the KRS and a possible 1600s date in a posting i just did about the pyramids
and hypothetical hot air balloons rather than GT's spaceships.
someone who is both aristocratic and ethnically scandanavian
could have carved the runestone, and it may have traveled from
a farm in NY, PA or the New England area much further west by the late 1700 or early 1800s or its a copy of a much older stone.
Since the runes seem not to be ancient, it looks like the stone is
rather new & might or might not be a hoax if its a close copy...

Jason Colavito link
1/21/2014 09:10:35 am

All right, you've all had your fun. None of this has anything to do with Giorgio Tsoukalos or ETs in Greece, so please refrain from discussing the KRS in response to this blog post.

Gunn link
1/22/2014 03:32:01 am

Thanks, Jason. These people can be ruthless! A group answer would have been in order here, most likely, except that I don't hijack threads...I respond to further questions. I usually respond to further questions if the situation warrants it.

In this case, anybody who has studied that infamous rock knows the location it was discovered at is in fact perfectly described in the rock's message. The rock fits the site description to a T: "peninsula-island." Also, anybody who is serious about studying this chunk of rock really should read the updates by the premier world experts on runes, the team consisting of Nielsen/Williams.

In this case, "that" rock's message and this team of runic experts can answer for me, if people will take the time to look.

(Wow, that worked out well...maybe.)

People. Wait 'til Jason brings the subject up again, and then I'll be happy to entertain questions 'til the cows come home...and if there's a computer in the barn, we can continue on into the night, but only if Jason doesn't finally feel it necessary to interrupt the conversation by trying to pigeon-hole it into the dark recesses of...where was that again? That's the problem. Some of us are like rats in a maze, and you want to make the maze larger?

Some of us like to run in circles on a familiar platform, where other rats are stumbling around. To a rat like me, I don't like pigeon-holes. They make me kind of nervous, like my squeaky little voice might not be heard very well. I prefer the mix of newcomers and old familiar faces who come here on this nice circular platform. After all, life is a circle, not a pigeon-hole!

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Discovery of America
1/22/2014 07:59:13 am

Boring formulated comments from a mythologist

J.A. Dickey
1/21/2014 08:26:54 am

Seriously... either TALOS = APOLLO since both ARE sun~gods
or TALOS =/= APOLLO even if both be Sun Gods... i do truly feel.
Monotheism and/or Deism implies a creator being in a grand way.
JUPITER = ZEUS = JOVE or Jupiter is the very large planet!!!!!!!

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Mandalore
1/21/2014 09:16:13 am

I am not terribly sire what your point is. Yes, monotheism, the belief in one god, 'implies a creator being in a grand way.' That is inherent by the very nature of only having one god. However, your example gods (Apollo, Jupiter, Zeus, etc.) are all gods from polytheistic belief systems. All religions have a creator of some sort, but many of those creators are not the heads of pantheons. Zeus was a descendent of Gaia, the earth, he did not create her/it.

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j.a.dickey
1/23/2014 03:51:06 am

TALOS FOUR was a very distant planet in a really neat
CLASSIC late 1960s STAR TREK episode... and yes,
i am a total trekkie and am too old to be a trekker
who got exposed via syndication & the 1970s.
we had Greek gods meeting up with A.I computers
and reptile aliens inside ST's cardboard + plaster
and Styrofoam studio sets or local California shooting
locations. when i say Sci-Fi i truly talk science fiction!
I also am a Questor fan, if you know about all the
projects Gene Roddenberry came up with after he wrote
a few scripts for HIGHWAY PATROL in the 1950s...

The Other J.
1/21/2014 09:30:03 am

A city of advanced scientists and artists who live on a flying island? Is Tsoukalos sure he's getting this from Plato and not Jonathan Swift? Because his description also fits Laputa from Gulliver's Travels.

I suppose he'd say Swift got the idea from Plato as well.

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Only Me
1/21/2014 11:29:22 am

I think GT is conflating the idea of Talos as a robot with the "deus ex machina" clockwork devices the Greeks were famous for using in their plays. Ancient special effects at their finest.

I've also noticed, as you've pointed out before, that neither he nor any other AA pundit has claimed ancient alien influence to explain Greek and Roman architecture, art, technology and math. Surely aliens had something to do with Greek fire, the Antikythera Device and the Archimedes "heat ray".

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J.A. Dickey
1/21/2014 12:20:30 pm

GT almost wants to place Sci-Fi cyborgs or androids inside
old pre-flood Atlantis. Its quite a leap to think that they had a
technology level like the A.D 1300s in the time-frame prior to
the end of the last Ice Age. The Neolithic Revolution is very
standard text and specific. Earlier human communities were
often much more hunter/gatherer and had relied on foraging.

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J.A. Dickey
1/21/2014 05:59:22 pm

http://socantscot.org/article.asp?aid=1084

these 2009 RHIND Lectures eruditely delve into the revolutionary
changes in society as we go from the Paleolithic to the Neolithic.

charlie
1/21/2014 01:49:20 pm

I think that Giorgio is just making this crap up as he gets more pooular. No, that is NOT a mis-spelling in my opinion. This AA bit has run out of new ideas and now has to just make up more crap to keep the TV series going long past its "sell by" date.
Just my opinion, yours may vary.

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Only Me
1/22/2014 07:39:32 pm

If you think that's awesome, I watched two episodes of Uncovering Aliens. Mike Bara tries to pretend he's the debunker by investigating rational explanations for the alleged UFO sightings. To make the image stick, he has one team member that believes aliens are here, walking the earth, among the human population. Another team member is allegedly ex-CIA, and claims he was abducted.

I can't wait to see the new episode of AA, to see how his image on UA squares with his status as an AA pundit.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
1/23/2014 01:08:15 am

I've noticed that most team-based fringe shows have a pretty standard three-person team, consisting of:

1. A True Believer (Bill Birnes)
2. A token skeptic (Ted Acworth, though the guy who followed him on UFO Hunters was much better at skepticism)
3. A guy whose sole role is to go "I'm convinced!" (Pat Uskert)

Finding Bigfoot adds a comedy element in the form of Bobo, who is easily the most memorable cast member.

It is funny that an AA talking head would be the theoretical skeptic.

J.A.D
1/23/2014 07:32:28 am

i looked at a web*video of his just now...

His voice is very different, but if i had to
point to Mike Bara if he is inside a crowd
consisting of today's celebrities, i'd run
the risk of confusing him with Chuck Todd,
the NBC White House corespondent...

J.A. Dickey
1/23/2014 03:03:22 am

in Sasquatch hunting terms, BoBo Fay's intestinal gut
may be functioning at times YARDSTICK wise sorta
like the LATOLI FOOTPRINTS in terms of human evolution
at times as by PROFESSOR JOHN HAWKS's urbane
and informed definition of things & Bobo can be often more
accurate than SW if you are into all small technical details.
I assume all YETIs, "SQUATCHES" & YOWIE's have some
ZINJANTHROPUS and/or GIGANTOPITHICUS chromosomes
and/or DNA strings even if all Early + Late Modern Humans
don't let alone ALL the many actualized Neanderthals!!!!!!!!

Jason, if you iz into the NATURAL BRIDGE in auld virginal
VIRGINNY sorta due west of that hilltop i took an April 19th
day trip to like a Yankee tourist that i iz given where the auld
Mason/Dixon line is, check out the very best JAMIE MONROE
biographies that are more recent than FDR's presidency!!!!!

Seriously put, JAMES MONROE of Monroe Doctrine fame had
a small farm very near to Monicello and that junction for routes
81 + 64 that is near Woodrow Wilson's POTUS library. I am
trying to think on the topography around those two very tourist
in a wise way places because as we well know, the western
section of Virginia proper was settled later than the eastern
section and both sections are not to be confused with the land
area that is post Civil War West Virginia. At least ONE of the
better Jamie Monroe or James Madison biographies needs
to be in your footnotes, let alone George Washington going
around as a young man and watching land being surveyed
or even being surveyed by him. GOTO his land deals, and also
the MISSISSIPPI LAND COMPANY and think of everything as
consisting of sets and subsets. THINK OF HOW OFTEN YOU
LITERALLY FIND FRENCH PROTESTANTS NEAR BRANCHES
OF THE GREAT PLAINs SIOUX NEAR RICHMOND ! BIG HINT !

http://www.mountvernon.org/educational-resources/encyclopedia/mississippi-land-company

i think the Natural Bridge and Monicello are near the
mound(s) the CATAWBA Sioux created i do opine...

http://virginiaindians.pwnet.org/culture/language.php
created.

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J.A. Dickey
1/23/2014 03:15:41 am

my links...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_tribes_in_Virginia

http://www.mountvernon.org/educational-resources/encyclopedia/mississippi-land-company

http://virginiaindians.pwnet.org/culture/language.php

G. Washington's land deal consisted of 2.5 million acres
and he was usually more honest than JOHN LAW and
his New Orleans dealings contemporary to the Sun King.

http://marketforceanalysis.com/published_articles_assets/The%20Ghost%20of%20John%20Law%20in%20New%20Orleans.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Company

am trying not to confuse the Mississippi Company with
the Mississippi LAND Company with the actual purchase
Jamie Monroe helped to negotiate that Napoleon received
cold hard coinage for rather than paper notes, but the 3 maps
thusly could be way cool illustrations if you want a context!
Our first POTUS had his ambitious moments yes, but the
scandal by the Scottish guy around the SUN KING is infamous!

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j.a.dickey
1/23/2014 03:25:44 am

as you can see, by my many posts in this here thread,
Giorgio as in "GT" was in rarified form, said by someone
who had often voted for both John FORBES Kerry and
Eward MOORE Kennedy and of course briefly & wisely
Mr. Ed Brooke and patriotic Father Drinan in the 1970s!!!

j.a.dickey
1/23/2014 03:36:44 am

again a typo not eward

edward MOORE kennedy

i might as well repeat to y'all the four towns
in chub peabody's name quip once
said by JFK and/or Ted or Bobby ---
Endicott, Peabody, Marblehead and Athol as i
also am debating making PURPLE SHAMROCK
remarks that can be LAST HURRAH. poor GT!
i think i am almost a threadkiller often when
being not intentional for the same... but i am
hinting in 1940s almost Orson Welles Citizen
Kane lingo what Thompson the Butler knew or
what happened to ROSEBUD. i am into film noir.
O.W's flic hath TIME magazine reporter, yes!!!!!!!!!
Claude Rains was way cool in all his films & underpayed.

i also think Wonder Woman is sorta cool... but
Batman can be an idiot, often... even if Superman
is an icon needful for OUR war effort in a grand way!

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TEST
1/25/2014 07:14:05 am

TEST

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TESTING COMMENTS
1/25/2014 07:23:55 am

Testing comments here.

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DAN D
1/25/2014 09:09:10 am

Is that you Gunn? lol

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MO
2/23/2014 04:25:53 pm

I've lurked here for a while, but decided to test the waters on a post nobody will probably see due to the article's age. I love watching AA simply because for one solid hour my husband and I can laugh like mental patients, and he can do his "Crazy Hair" impression and talk about human/alien hybrids.

The reason I had to post a comment? Tsoukalicious. Funny as hell. Thanks for the laugh tonight, Jason! :-P

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Jason Colavito link
2/23/2014 10:22:33 pm

If only it were a joke! It's his official adjective.

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PaulN. link
3/13/2014 10:38:42 pm

Could it be? Giorgio Tsoukalos the long lost son of Eraserhead? Think about it, it's a possibility. After all the hairstyle is almost identical.

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