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Giorgio Tsoukalos: I Believe in Reincarnation, Pantheism; Erich von Daniken: Scotty Roberts Didn't Pay Me

10/5/2014

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During the broadcast of In Search of Aliens Friday night, ancient astronaut theorist Giorgio Tsoukalos took the time to engage with his fans on Twitter while they watched their hero discuss his belief that extraterrestrial beings share their DNA with Caucasian human beings, who formed a sort of alien-powered master race in charge of building monumental architecture around the world. In the episode Tsoukalos asserted that DNA testing of a hair from an elongated skull in Peru tied the genetic code to northern Europe, and Tsoukalos concluded that this meant that the skulls were those of actual space aliens, or, as I call them, Space Aryans.
On Twitter, Tsoukalos was asked why he has not done additional testing on the skulls to conclusively demonstrate their Aryan-alien heritage. Tsoukalos responded that “weird laws” prevented him from doing so, and that these laws are a form of “censorship.” Tsoukalos agreed with another fan who said that “they” should allow testing if they “are so confident in their beliefs” that the skulls are human.

These laws, which are actually Peruvian national laws, bilateral treaties with the United States, and international law, prevent the transport of human remains or ancient artifacts from Peru to another country without official permission from the Peruvian government. Tsoukalos leaves out that Lloyd Pye and Brien Foerster claimed to have skirted such laws in testing the DNA of bone fragments from an elongated skull from Paracas, Peru, which they asserted had mitochondrial DNA that did not match Homo sapiens.

Tsoukalos also reaffirmed his belief that the small stone carved with a crop circle image known as the Roswell Rock is “real”—whatever that means. No one doubts that the rock exists; the dispute is whether it is of extraterrestrial origin, and the fact that it can be easily reproduced by skilled stoneworkers argues against an unearthly origin. He even quoted Graham Hancock (!) to support his claim that humans have forgotten their true history, which is a surprise since Hancock recently blasted Tsoukalos’s version of the ancient astronaut theory in OM Times magazine:
I don’t need “aliens” – whatever they are — to explain any mysteries in our pre-history. Honestly I don’t need a single alien for the great pyramids or the Mayan calendar. I just don’t. […] One of the problems I have with the whole ancient alien lobby is that at one level it operates like a religion or a cult, by which I mean its believers are resistant to, and often get furiously angry about, other possible explanations that challenge their faith. But at another level members of the “ancient astronaut cult” are also crassly materialistic, seeking to reduce everything to a simplistic material reference frame, projecting our present and imagined future levels of technology onto what are in fact deeply mysterious and unexplained phenomena…
Tsoukalos told another questioner that he became an ancient astronaut theorist because his family are ancient astronaut believers. I seem to recall knowing that fact, though I can’t recall where I heard it before. Perhaps he told me back in 2002. I don’t think he’s talked much about it elsewhere. He also denied the existence of “evil beings” but affirmed that he is a pantheist who believes in both God (a divine universe) and ancient astronauts, arguing that God is the first cause of a chain of aliens who each gave the next species the technology to advance:

Exactly & the aliens who helped the aliens etc RT @fielddiamond @ElvisUndead Isn't it obvious that God created the AA too? #InSearchofAliens

— Giorgio A. Tsoukalos (@Tsoukalos) October 4, 2014
He concluded his chat by asserting his belief in reincarnation and the existence of a heaven-like location where unknown forces decide our fates. This is a rather confusing metaphysical construction, since the aliens would appear to be rather redundant if there is a supernatural way station where an unseen force is allocating souls to various bodies. But these unseen masters are mysterious!   

Less mysterious are Erich von Däniken’s reasons for skipping this year’s Paradigm Symposium, the annual gathering of fringe figures run by Scotty Roberts and co-sponsored by H2 and Ancient Aliens. It turns out that he and Roberts have had a falling out over money. In a press release posted to Facebook on September 30, von Däniken announced that Roberts failed to provide him with promised travel expenses and as a result he would not be attending the annual gathering of fringe figures. “On September 27, 2014, I received an email that Roberts cannot pay my airfare, hotel accommodations, nor my appearance fee” after Roberts said on September 10 that the money was available. According to von Däniken, Roberts also failed to pay Giorgio Tsoukalos and Philip Coppens their promised travel expenses in 2012.

Von Däniken, who has made millions of dollars from his books and speaking engagements, said that while he hates to disappoint his fans, “under these circumstances” of not receiving more money, he cannot spread the “truth” about aliens until cash payments are forthcoming. But I kid! Honestly, though, I agree with von Däniken and wouldn’t attend any event that promised to pay expenses and then failed to do so. That is just straight up breach of contract. That said, the big reveal that events like the Paradigm Symposium are profitable money makers and free vacations for their speakers shouldn’t surprise anyone. Fringe history makes some serious coin while pretending to be a dispassionate search for the truth. But rarely is it so clearly telegraphed as when von Däniken bluntly lays bare just how much cash and how many perks famous fringe figures can get on the lecture circuit. I know from Giorgio Tsoukalos’s booking agent that last year he was commanding up to $10,000 per appearance, plus expenses. Do that five or ten weeks a year, and you’re set. It’s nice work if you can get it.
31 Comments
PNO TECH
10/5/2014 02:51:25 am

"...nice work if you can get it."
Like you, Jason, I came upon Chariots at an impressionable age. I >so< wanted it to be true! But, even aged 10, I had problems with the language and lack of demonstrable support for assertions. My father was in grad school at the time, so I already had a strong grounding in critical thinking, and EvD's leaps of 'logic' just didn't work.
The lack of coherency and internal logic-structure in the cosmology and world-view of these charlatans just makes me shake my head. I don't begrudge anyone making a living, but the level of inconsistency in their 'theories' just boggles me: how can they not know they're effectively committing fraud? Rant over.
Anyway, I really appreciate the time you take to show how incestuous this framework of blather is, and especially enjoy it when you point to origins within fiction. Thank you.

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666
10/5/2014 03:31:54 am

>>>belief in reincarnation and the existence of a heaven-like location where unknown forces decide our fates

There's that spiritual crutch again - that defect of homo sapiens

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Only Me
10/5/2014 05:15:42 am

"that defect of homo sapiens"

Amazingly accurate self-description, 666.

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spookyparadigm
10/5/2014 03:32:30 am

I don't mind that they make money, and if it was, as one poster has repeated in the past "all just entertainment" I honestly wouldn't care. If EvD and GT had become multimillionaires selling an openly fictional program like Stargate, I could care less.

But not only do these activities undermine public interest and trust in real science and how the world actually works, as the first half of your post notes, they undermine efforts to protect cultural heritage.

All that said, I am amused by the squabbling. Especially because I associate the Paradigm Symposium with the obnoxiously faux humble yet smug ads for the same by Roberts and co. I've heard on The Paranormal Podcast and I believe The Paracast. Mismanaged cons seems to be a recurring theme recently. Witness the recent alleged fiasco of the Contact in the Desert get-together.

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666
10/5/2014 03:36:44 am

What bothers you is that EvD is making money out of ancient astronauts.

There's goofball sources of money by lecturing about psychology, a totally subjective fabrication.

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Only Me
10/5/2014 05:17:15 am

"a totally subjective fabrication"

Like your belief you're more knowledgeable than mainstream scholarship?

Uncle Ron
10/5/2014 07:26:00 am

Seriously OM, you know you're wasting your time. When you see that triple digit name in the ID bar do what I do: skip over the post without reading it. You'll feel better, save time (which we all know is just wasted by posting a response), and the offending party will eventually go somewhere else where his banderillas generate the desired effect.

Matt Mc
10/5/2014 07:33:27 am

Well said Ron and extra points for using small flags

EP
10/5/2014 08:08:20 am

666's posts are occasionally amusing through sheer retardedness, so I usually read them.

And no, he won't stop unless his internet access is taken away by the evil psychiatrists.

Only Me
10/5/2014 08:54:17 am

I know, Uncle Ron, I know. But he's just such a blatant hypocrite, I can't help having fun letting the air out of his balloon!

An Over-Educated Grunt
10/5/2014 09:04:11 am

Ah yes, because no one ever made a buck in a "pure empirical science" selling snake oil. Hooke never drank mercury; Newton didn't believe in alchemy; Heisenberg didn't massively overcalculate the amount of uranium needed for a bomb; Brunel didn't ignore thousands of years of shipbuilding and try to launch the Great Eastern sideways; neither aether nor phlogiston were ever taken as possible explanations for fire and the transmission of photons. If you're going to discard a discipline because some of its most notable practitioners believe things that were later proven patently false and even dangerous, please, turn off your computer, quit using roads, and test that entire gravity thing for yourself. You don't do yourself any favors either when you conflate psychiatry, which is a diagnostic discipline that prescribes drugs and deals directly with the diagnosis and treatment of mental health, and psychology, which is a clinical discipline that deals with the behavior of the human brain.

expat link
10/5/2014 05:39:20 am

"Alleged fiasco"? Do tell -- I heard it was a rip-roaring success. The fact that the power went out just as Mike Bara was preparing to show his 150 rubbish images of Mars "technology" was a minor glitch.

Engineered by the sinister forces of NASA, according to Mike, who were desperate to prevent these images being seen even though they were already published on the web and in a book. Devilish.

http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2014/08/those-evil-nasa-goons-will-stop-at.html

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Jason Colavito link
10/5/2014 05:54:23 am

I think he's referring to last year's conference in which William Henry accused another speaker of holding his wife and the audience hostage with armed guards.

spookyparadigm
10/5/2014 06:14:54 am

It was a topic of discussion in one of the Paracast episodes in August, I believe. Something about logistical problems in terms of getting food and water, etc.. Quick google search doesn't bring up anything, so for all I know it was one disgruntled person O'Brien latched on to.

I don't really follow or concern myself with the conference part of the weird world. That's the world of true believers giving their money to other true believers or to promoters. Confined to their little subculture, might as well be a RenFaire or an anime con or a swapmeet. Do as you will so long as it doesn't harm the rest of us.

spookyparadigm
10/5/2014 06:17:27 am

It was the episode discussed in this thread, and it does have some mention of what they talked about at the beginning of the show (the audio file is on the main site)

http://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/micah-hanks-with-goggs-mackay.15359/page-2#post-201397

expat link
10/6/2014 03:59:13 am

Got it now. It was a rip-roaring success for the organizers because they got attendance way beyond fire-code safety, charged $10 for a burrito, and overbooked vendors. Overflow vendors were forced to stay outside in the 110° desert air. Great.

Kal link
10/5/2014 08:27:38 am

It is highly illogical that the skull could have DNA not of this world, as it is a skull found on this planet, not an alien skull. The error of analysis comes from the testing not bering abler to determine the DNA sequence. This does not mean it's aline DNA. It means someone messed up the test and couldn't get an accurate reading. But to these fringe AA guys, it means ooh, aliens! No it doesn't. It means your test is wrong. Doing another might be tricky, but even if they did, they would likely publish only the results they want to hear, not impartial results that show the DNA is completely human.

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Uncle Ron
10/5/2014 03:55:05 pm

I don't know a whole lot about organic chemistry but how likely is it that an alien species COULD cross-breed with humans, even allowing for some manipulation of human DNA? Most animals on Earth can't interbreed and we share a lot of DNA. Would life which evolved on another planet necessarily have DNA which is even remotely like ours?

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BillUSA
10/5/2014 09:46:58 am

While I agree that breach of contract is worthy of cancellation, the fact that EVD and his cohorts will spread the message only if the price is right speaks volumes.

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Matt Mc
10/5/2014 09:58:52 am

I think it is wrong to fault any speaker or presenter for refusing to participate in something after a promise to pay for has been denied. The cost of hotel rooms and travel could easily be around a thousand Dollars (US) for a single person and in the very least should be paid for.

There are many people that are leaders in their given profession that would of done the same thing if that happened to them. I think it more speaks in volumes to the questionable practices and finances of the convention.

In this case EVD did nothing wrong, IMHO.

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10/5/2014 02:40:39 pm

Jason,
Thanks for taking the researcher's effort of contacting me to verify EvD's statements.

You certainly wouldn't want the facts to get in the way of a good story.

And, by the way, I'll bet this is the very first time you believed anything out of Erich von Daniken's mouth (Not to mention the press release crafted by Girogio Tsoukalos).

As always, I am available to aid in your research.

Scotty

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Jason Colavito link
10/5/2014 03:03:50 pm

Did I somehow misrepresent EVD's press release? You're welcome to let us know your side, but it really won't do much to change EVD's view of things, which is what my brief summary of his press release is about. You might better spend your time being nice to the people you want telling your side of the story than to chastise them in public, which doesn't make them (i.e., me) more inclined to be charitable to your version. But since you took the rude path, go ahead and tell us: What's your side of the pay dispute?

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Scotty Roberts link
10/12/2014 06:43:10 am

Jason,
If you read in my response, some sort of "UN-niceness" or rudeness, you should go back and read again. None of those qualities are there.

However, in citing and commenting on EvD's press release - and accurately, I might add - you leave your reader with only half of the story. THAT is what I feel is misleading and incomplete research presentation. That is not being "rude," that is simply stating fact.

I would have thought that since you uphold yourself as a researcher, disseminating facts, that you have reached out and asked me... I ain't that hard to find. ;)

As it stands, we posted our own Press Release after the symposium was over. The timing of EvD's press release was just two days before PS2014, and there was no time to write - nor care all that much about it - until after the event was over.

You can find the PS2014 Press Release addressing all these issues, here: http://paradigmsymposium.com/PS2014POSTPressRelease.pdf

ALSO:
I sent you a private message, but would like to state, again, here, that we extend to you a personal invite to speak at the Paradigm Symposium 2015.

As when we invited P.Z. Meyers to speak last year at PS2013, we offer you an open platform to present your positions. And as with PZ, you will be offered the politeness and respect we give any of our speakers.

Do consider it, and let me know your disposition.

Fr. Jack Ashcraft
10/9/2014 05:29:55 am

In Scotty Roberts' defense, the individuals named as not having been paid were indeed paid the agreed upon amount. Roberts has the documentation to prove that. As for Daniken, you can read the Paradigm Symposium response to his accusations at their website. I think it fair to simply point that out and allow people to make their judgments after seeing both sides.

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EP
10/9/2014 07:22:37 am

Hey Padre, I think I've become possessed. By a demon. Because demonic possessions are totally a real thing.

Could you help me out?

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Scotty Roberts link
10/12/2014 06:31:15 am

EP,
Your response is clearly indicative of the community you represent. Mockery before open dialog, dismissal from the core of personal bias.

"The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what’s true. We have a method, and that method helps us to reach not absolute truth, only asymptotic approaches to the truth—never there, just closer and closer, always finding vast new oceans of undiscovered possibilities... People are not stupid. They believe things for reasons. Let us not dismiss pseudoscience or even superstition with contempt." [ Carl Sagan, "Wonder & Skepticism," February 1995 ]

EP
10/14/2014 07:02:12 am

Wait, are you saying that my dismissal of Medieval nonsense like demonic possession is stemming "from the core of personal bias"? You don't think we have good reasons to believe that demonic possessions aren't real?

Also, there is no need to engage every individual proponent of a long-discredited idea in "open dialogue".

Only Me
10/12/2014 08:55:09 am

Mr. Roberts, I'd like to ask you to cogitate on this:

Skeptics, every level of government, museums and academia in general have all been accused, by various members of the fringe community, to all be involved in a grand conspiracy to "suppress the truth". We've been told by the most visible of fringe figureheads that our own history we're being taught "is wrong" or we're not getting "the whole story". It just gets worse when specific "skeptics" are threatened with legal action or future lawsuits for merely critiquing the ideas/research of said figureheads.

My point is that "Mockery before open dialog, dismissal from the core of personal bias" isn't a one-way street. Since you just complained about Jason misleading his readership by presenting only half of the story, I would think you'd be more careful.

That wonderful quote from Carl Sagan, in my opinion, has been cherry-picked by the fringe community as justification for many of the ideas it embraces, without the understanding that the cautionary message contained within also applies equally to both believers and non-believers.

Look at the core of the quote this way:

[People are not stupid. They believe things for reasons. Let us not dismiss pseudoscience (or actual science) or even superstition (or skepticism) with contempt.]

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EP
10/13/2014 11:06:31 am

"Skeptics, every level of government, museums and academia in general"

You forgot the media, the military, and the big business. The Vatican is optional :)

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Jory
1/25/2015 10:13:42 am

Hi,

I don't like this blog, I think this is a conspiracy by the Illuminati to hide the truth but thank you very much for sharing the beliefs of Giorgio Tsoukalos. I always wanted to know his beliefs, so that I can incroporate them to my own.

Have a good day.

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Peter Kay link
7/18/2015 08:16:51 am

Sorry to be a pest but do you have any advice on how to publish a short story online, that is what is the best site and so on, it is science fiction about the physics of souls and nanotech and chaos theory

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