Giorgio Tsoukalos: I Believe in Reincarnation, Pantheism; Erich von Daniken: Scotty Roberts Didn't Pay Me
During the broadcast of In Search of Aliens Friday night, ancient astronaut theorist Giorgio Tsoukalos took the time to engage with his fans on Twitter while they watched their hero discuss his belief that extraterrestrial beings share their DNA with Caucasian human beings, who formed a sort of alien-powered master race in charge of building monumental architecture around the world. In the episode Tsoukalos asserted that DNA testing of a hair from an elongated skull in Peru tied the genetic code to northern Europe, and Tsoukalos concluded that this meant that the skulls were those of actual space aliens, or, as I call them, Space Aryans.
On Twitter, Tsoukalos was asked why he has not done additional testing on the skulls to conclusively demonstrate their Aryan-alien heritage. Tsoukalos responded that “weird laws” prevented him from doing so, and that these laws are a form of “censorship.” Tsoukalos agreed with another fan who said that “they” should allow testing if they “are so confident in their beliefs” that the skulls are human.
These laws, which are actually Peruvian national laws, bilateral treaties with the United States, and international law, prevent the transport of human remains or ancient artifacts from Peru to another country without official permission from the Peruvian government. Tsoukalos leaves out that Lloyd Pye and Brien Foerster claimed to have skirted such laws in testing the DNA of bone fragments from an elongated skull from Paracas, Peru, which they asserted had mitochondrial DNA that did not match Homo sapiens.
Tsoukalos also reaffirmed his belief that the small stone carved with a crop circle image known as the Roswell Rock is “real”—whatever that means. No one doubts that the rock exists; the dispute is whether it is of extraterrestrial origin, and the fact that it can be easily reproduced by skilled stoneworkers argues against an unearthly origin. He even quoted Graham Hancock (!) to support his claim that humans have forgotten their true history, which is a surprise since Hancock recently blasted Tsoukalos’s version of the ancient astronaut theory in OM Times magazine:
I don’t need “aliens” – whatever they are — to explain any mysteries in our pre-history. Honestly I don’t need a single alien for the great pyramids or the Mayan calendar. I just don’t. […] One of the problems I have with the whole ancient alien lobby is that at one level it operates like a religion or a cult, by which I mean its believers are resistant to, and often get furiously angry about, other possible explanations that challenge their faith. But at another level members of the “ancient astronaut cult” are also crassly materialistic, seeking to reduce everything to a simplistic material reference frame, projecting our present and imagined future levels of technology onto what are in fact deeply mysterious and unexplained phenomena…
Tsoukalos told another questioner that he became an ancient astronaut theorist because his family are ancient astronaut believers. I seem to recall knowing that fact, though I can’t recall where I heard it before. Perhaps he told me back in 2002. I don’t think he’s talked much about it elsewhere. He also denied the existence of “evil beings” but affirmed that he is a pantheist who believes in both God (a divine universe) and ancient astronauts, arguing that God is the first cause of a chain of aliens who each gave the next species the technology to advance:
He concluded his chat by asserting his belief in reincarnation and the existence of a heaven-like location where unknown forces decide our fates. This is a rather confusing metaphysical construction, since the aliens would appear to be rather redundant if there is a supernatural way station where an unseen force is allocating souls to various bodies. But these unseen masters are mysterious!
Less mysterious are Erich von Däniken’s reasons for skipping this year’s Paradigm Symposium, the annual gathering of fringe figures run by Scotty Roberts and co-sponsored by H2 and Ancient Aliens. It turns out that he and Roberts have had a falling out over money. In a press release posted to Facebook on September 30, von Däniken announced that Roberts failed to provide him with promised travel expenses and as a result he would not be attending the annual gathering of fringe figures. “On September 27, 2014, I received an email that Roberts cannot pay my airfare, hotel accommodations, nor my appearance fee” after Roberts said on September 10 that the money was available. According to von Däniken, Roberts also failed to pay Giorgio Tsoukalos and Philip Coppens their promised travel expenses in 2012.
Von Däniken, who has made millions of dollars from his books and speaking engagements, said that while he hates to disappoint his fans, “under these circumstances” of not receiving more money, he cannot spread the “truth” about aliens until cash payments are forthcoming. But I kid! Honestly, though, I agree with von Däniken and wouldn’t attend any event that promised to pay expenses and then failed to do so. That is just straight up breach of contract. That said, the big reveal that events like the Paradigm Symposium are profitable money makers and free vacations for their speakers shouldn’t surprise anyone. Fringe history makes some serious coin while pretending to be a dispassionate search for the truth. But rarely is it so clearly telegraphed as when von Däniken bluntly lays bare just how much cash and how many perks famous fringe figures can get on the lecture circuit. I know from Giorgio Tsoukalos’s booking agent that last year he was commanding up to $10,000 per appearance, plus expenses. Do that five or ten weeks a year, and you’re set. It’s nice work if you can get it.
10/5/2014 02:51:25 am
"...nice work if you can get it."
10/5/2014 03:31:54 am
>>>belief in reincarnation and the existence of a heaven-like location where unknown forces decide our fates
10/5/2014 05:15:42 am
"that defect of homo sapiens"
10/5/2014 03:32:30 am
I don't mind that they make money, and if it was, as one poster has repeated in the past "all just entertainment" I honestly wouldn't care. If EvD and GT had become multimillionaires selling an openly fictional program like Stargate, I could care less.
10/5/2014 03:36:44 am
What bothers you is that EvD is making money out of ancient astronauts.
10/5/2014 05:17:15 am
"a totally subjective fabrication"
10/5/2014 07:26:00 am
Seriously OM, you know you're wasting your time. When you see that triple digit name in the ID bar do what I do: skip over the post without reading it. You'll feel better, save time (which we all know is just wasted by posting a response), and the offending party will eventually go somewhere else where his banderillas generate the desired effect.
10/5/2014 07:33:27 am
Well said Ron and extra points for using small flags
10/5/2014 08:08:20 am
666's posts are occasionally amusing through sheer retardedness, so I usually read them.
10/5/2014 08:54:17 am
I know, Uncle Ron, I know. But he's just such a blatant hypocrite, I can't help having fun letting the air out of his balloon!
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/5/2014 09:04:11 am
Ah yes, because no one ever made a buck in a "pure empirical science" selling snake oil. Hooke never drank mercury; Newton didn't believe in alchemy; Heisenberg didn't massively overcalculate the amount of uranium needed for a bomb; Brunel didn't ignore thousands of years of shipbuilding and try to launch the Great Eastern sideways; neither aether nor phlogiston were ever taken as possible explanations for fire and the transmission of photons. If you're going to discard a discipline because some of its most notable practitioners believe things that were later proven patently false and even dangerous, please, turn off your computer, quit using roads, and test that entire gravity thing for yourself. You don't do yourself any favors either when you conflate psychiatry, which is a diagnostic discipline that prescribes drugs and deals directly with the diagnosis and treatment of mental health, and psychology, which is a clinical discipline that deals with the behavior of the human brain.
"Alleged fiasco"? Do tell -- I heard it was a rip-roaring success. The fact that the power went out just as Mike Bara was preparing to show his 150 rubbish images of Mars "technology" was a minor glitch.
10/5/2014 05:54:23 am
I think he's referring to last year's conference in which William Henry accused another speaker of holding his wife and the audience hostage with armed guards.
10/5/2014 06:14:54 am
It was a topic of discussion in one of the Paracast episodes in August, I believe. Something about logistical problems in terms of getting food and water, etc.. Quick google search doesn't bring up anything, so for all I know it was one disgruntled person O'Brien latched on to.
10/5/2014 06:17:27 am
It was the episode discussed in this thread, and it does have some mention of what they talked about at the beginning of the show (the audio file is on the main site)
It is highly illogical that the skull could have DNA not of this world, as it is a skull found on this planet, not an alien skull. The error of analysis comes from the testing not bering abler to determine the DNA sequence. This does not mean it's aline DNA. It means someone messed up the test and couldn't get an accurate reading. But to these fringe AA guys, it means ooh, aliens! No it doesn't. It means your test is wrong. Doing another might be tricky, but even if they did, they would likely publish only the results they want to hear, not impartial results that show the DNA is completely human.
10/5/2014 03:55:05 pm
I don't know a whole lot about organic chemistry but how likely is it that an alien species COULD cross-breed with humans, even allowing for some manipulation of human DNA? Most animals on Earth can't interbreed and we share a lot of DNA. Would life which evolved on another planet necessarily have DNA which is even remotely like ours?
10/5/2014 09:46:58 am
While I agree that breach of contract is worthy of cancellation, the fact that EVD and his cohorts will spread the message only if the price is right speaks volumes.
10/5/2014 09:58:52 am
I think it is wrong to fault any speaker or presenter for refusing to participate in something after a promise to pay for has been denied. The cost of hotel rooms and travel could easily be around a thousand Dollars (US) for a single person and in the very least should be paid for.
10/5/2014 02:40:39 pm
10/5/2014 03:03:50 pm
Did I somehow misrepresent EVD's press release? You're welcome to let us know your side, but it really won't do much to change EVD's view of things, which is what my brief summary of his press release is about. You might better spend your time being nice to the people you want telling your side of the story than to chastise them in public, which doesn't make them (i.e., me) more inclined to be charitable to your version. But since you took the rude path, go ahead and tell us: What's your side of the pay dispute?
10/12/2014 06:43:10 am
Fr. Jack Ashcraft
10/9/2014 05:29:55 am
In Scotty Roberts' defense, the individuals named as not having been paid were indeed paid the agreed upon amount. Roberts has the documentation to prove that. As for Daniken, you can read the Paradigm Symposium response to his accusations at their website. I think it fair to simply point that out and allow people to make their judgments after seeing both sides.
10/9/2014 07:22:37 am
Hey Padre, I think I've become possessed. By a demon. Because demonic possessions are totally a real thing.
10/12/2014 06:31:15 am
10/14/2014 07:02:12 am
Wait, are you saying that my dismissal of Medieval nonsense like demonic possession is stemming "from the core of personal bias"? You don't think we have good reasons to believe that demonic possessions aren't real?
10/12/2014 08:55:09 am
Mr. Roberts, I'd like to ask you to cogitate on this:
10/13/2014 11:06:31 am
"Skeptics, every level of government, museums and academia in general"
1/25/2015 10:13:42 am
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