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Giorgio Tsoukalos Offers More of the Same in New Interview

11/9/2018

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​In an interview yesterday with Inverse to promote the upcoming Baltimore Alien Con, Ancient Aliens star Giorgio Tsoukalos … well, offered more of the same, actually. For someone who is supposedly an expert on … something … he is remarkably shallow in his interviews and rather repetitive in the potted anecdotes he parcels out. Perhaps it comes from too many years reciting prewritten lines for Ancient Aliens, or perhaps it reflects the dearth of originality behind the ancient astronaut theory. There were, however a few highlights worth mentioning.
​The Inverse interviewer asked Tsoukalos about the satirical story that circulated earlier this year falsely suggesting that Donald Trump had appointed him the head of the Space Force. When asked if he would accept such an appointment, Tsoukalos, a noted liberal, offered a surprising answer. “Of course, it’s your civic duty. It doesn’t matter who the president is. If the government asks for your help and you happen to be an expert in that certain field, it is your civic duty to comply.” Both the sentiment and the wording are a little disturbing, and not least because Tsoukalos has joined his fellow Ancient Aliens talking heads in accusing the U.S. government of all manner of cover-ups and crimes in service of a quasi-satanic space alien agenda. To hear him offer the uncomfortably authoritarian reasoning that the government must be aided and abetted no matter their actions just strikes a sour note for me.
 
The meat of the interview surrounds an important question. Inverse asked Tsoukalos how he responds to criticism that the ancient astronaut theory denigrates the achievements of ancient civilizations. 
It’s an incorrect criticism because nobody’s ever suggested that. I’ve never once said that ancient monuments were built by the extraterrestrials. They were all built by human beings. What I’m suggesting is that these ancient structures were built with the assistance and engineering knowledge of the extraterrestrials.
 
Why are we suggesting this? It’s because that’s what the ancient texts are in fact saying, word for word. They’re saying that the knowledge came the guardians of the sky, the watchers of the sky. So the idea is, instead of proposing that these were just a figment of our ancestors’ imagination, we are suggesting that our ancestors had teachers.
 
We all had teachers. Your first teacher was your parents. Then it was your kindergarten teacher, then elementary school, then high school. All the ancient astronaut theories suggest is that nothing in our past came out of a vacuum. The initial spark of inspiration for was given to us by the extraterrestrials. They were our first teachers, and this is why we are such a magnificent, genius society today. They knew the potential we had, and here we are, the most amazing society that’s ever lived on this planet. And at first, we had a gentle push, we had someone holding our hands like we help our children every day.
​It's interesting to see the way he has massaged the rough edges off of this explanation over the years. The latest version, which has removed almost every trace of actual extraterrestrial intervention, sounds almost reasonable. The trouble is that his second paragraph is incorrect. Remarkably few myths outside of the Enochian corpus suggest knowledge came from the sky. Culture-heroes were just as likely to be earthbound. Viracocha, for example, came from under Lake Titicaca. Oannes rose up from the Persian Gulf. The Greeks sought the advice and counsel of the heroes and Titans down under the earth. Quetzalcoatl lived on earth and sailed over the sea.
 
But more to the point: The ancient texts do not typically describe engineering feats as being the work of humans based on plans from the sky. Instead, there are generally two different kinds of stories. Practical, technical texts, like the recently discovered Egyptian papyri describing the building of the Great Pyramid, are rather plain about the human efforts involved in planning and executing constructions. Mythic texts attribute buildings to magic, monsters, or gods. The Greeks thought Mycenaean buildings were raised by Cyclopes. Medieval people attributed Stonehenge to Giants and Roman ruins to devils. The only text Tsoukalos—to the best of my knowledge—has ever cited as proof that the ancients believed that plans and skills had passed from alien to human was al-Maqrizi’s Al-Khitat, written around 1400 CE, and I translated every reference to pyramids in it to prove that it says nothing of the sort. (It says that human kings built the pyramids after doing some astrology.) The other commonly cited text is the Book of Enoch, where the Watchers who fell from Heaven are counted as the inventors of various arts and sciences. These include knowledge of makeup for beautifying women’s faces and astrology for creating useless horoscopes, but neither engineering nor architecture. Aliens have weird priorities.
 
I’d also guess that I am probably one of the people he was thinking of when explaining why he doesn’t engage with his critics anymore. “I used to try, a long time ago, to engage with the critics and the naysayer and the hater and the debunkers. But I stopped doing that because it’s a waste of energy,” he said in the new interview. Compare that to what he wrote to me when I was working on my first book and wanted to interview Erich von Däniken, for whom he worked at the time: “Just the fact that you so desperately attempt to dismantle our theory proves that we are on the right track. Otherwise you would not feel so threatened by our theories! ... I will certainly not forward your questions to Erich, and his secretary has already been informed about your malevolent intentions.” I agree that this was a huge waste of energy, but not because Tsoukalos was trying so hard to be kind and generous.
30 Comments
Joe Scales
11/9/2018 09:52:17 am

So he broke your heart then. For being liberal, but refusing to bash Trump. Nice to see your priorities are in order.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/9/2018 11:24:31 am

I don't see it that way. Several reasons:

* It's not even a hypothetical question because Tsoukalos doesn't have stars on his shoulders.

* I agree with Jason's reasoning: "Both the sentiment and the wording are a little disturbing, and not least because Tsoukalos has joined his fellow Ancient Aliens talking heads in accusing the U.S. government of all manner of cover-ups and crimes in service of a quasi-satanic space alien agenda. To hear him offer the uncomfortably authoritarian reasoning that the government must be aided and abetted no matter their actions just strikes a sour note for me."

* The problem for me is that GT thinks he any sort of expert on anything at all.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/9/2018 11:27:18 am

Dammit, forgot to add:

* Space Force, if it ever gets off the ground (my money says no) has nothing to do with extraterrestrials.

Jim
11/9/2018 11:58:24 am

Strangely enough, I would be more comfortable having Giorgio as head of "Space Force" (insert echo effect here) than the current Attorney General.

Joe Scales
11/9/2018 12:03:04 pm

"When asked if he would accept such an appointment, Tsoukalos, a noted liberal, offered a surprising answer."

He was asked about an appointment from Trump, albeit hypothetical. Jason pointed out that the answer surprised him, after noting he was liberal. So did it surprise him that he didn't degrade Trump with his answer, or "not least because" of the whole government conspiracy angle; which implies more than one reason. Given the "liberal" distinction, I'm good with my interpretation of the other reason.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/9/2018 01:06:52 pm

"Strangely enough, I would be more comfortable having Giorgio as head of "Space Force" (insert echo effect here) than the current Attorney General."

You're basically saying GT would be better than no one since we currently don't have an Attorney General.

Jim
11/9/2018 02:22:41 pm

Acting AG, but you knew that.

Joe Scales
11/9/2018 03:50:31 pm

Gentlemen,
This tangent is moot. Everyone knows Quisp will be in charge at Space Force.

An Anonymous Nerd
11/9/2018 07:05:28 pm

[So he broke your heart then. For being liberal, but refusing to bash Trump. Nice to see your priorities are in order. ]

What a strange, nonsensical thing to say. Given that there is no love lost between Mr. Tsoukalos and Mr. Colavito it is difficult to imagine how the latter's heart could be broken by the former. The phrase was "struck a sour note" and Mr. Colavito adequately explained his position. It can't reasonably be described the way you described it. But I guess "reasonably" is the key word here.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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V
11/9/2018 09:20:33 pm

Dude, I don't care WHO the President is, if you have made your career on the basis of "governments conspire against me and people like me to suppress this information," and you then turn around and say that it's your Civic Duty to Comply, then you are a hypocrite, because you are clearly NOT complying with "do not release this information." And yes, it's VERY disappointing that you can't live up to your espoused ideals of Rebelling Against Them.

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Scott David Hamilton
11/9/2018 10:15:10 am

I was wondering if you saw this interview. I was really struck by the line, "It’s an incorrect criticism because nobody’s ever suggested [that aliens are responsible for ancient achievements]." Nobody? Ever? Really?

You don't have to read very far into the writing of Zecharia Sitchin to find exactly that. To find a whole lot of exactly that.

Or let's give Tsoukalos the benefit of the doubt. Let's say he only meant von Daniken. So to choose a random example, when von Daniken wrote in Return of the Gods that a Peruvian carving showed a skeleton that could only be revealed by X-rays, how did the "inspiration" work here? Did the ancient Peruvians somehow figure out how to take X-ray photographs and then completely forget all the technology?

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Jason Colavito link
11/9/2018 10:50:50 am

Yeah, it's not clear who the "nobody" is supposed to be. The 1970s "Chariots" knockoffs were certainly not shy about alleging aliens were responsible for various achievements. I think he was probably referring to "Ancient Aliens" itself, which steadfastly refuses to ever say anything definitive.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/9/2018 07:13:02 pm

I'm calling category error on that. It will never be clear because there is nobody who is nobody.

An Anonymous Nerd
11/9/2018 07:37:54 pm

Even on the show I recall them citing things as being of direct alien construction. As three examples I cite Pumapunku ("so to protect their technology they make overnight what we call a base camp, of course using materials found on Earth"), the Nazca lines (at least some of which are supposedly the alien airport), and the Easter Island statues (no trees for rollers, after all).

And that's just stuff that's quoted in the film "Ancient Aliens Debunked."

So even if we allow him just meaning "on the show," it's still incorrect factually.

-An Anonymous Nerd

V
11/9/2018 09:22:39 pm

Better example: the paragraph specifically stating that the denizens of Rappa Nui could physically not have raised the Moai statues without "alien technology," complete with illustrations of UFO using tractor beams to lift giant stone statues into place, as is in my 1970s copy of Chariots of the Gods. That's pretty explicit, I'd say.

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Tom Mellett
11/9/2018 12:36:52 pm

“I’m not saying it’s Giorgio — but it’s Giorgio.”

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Frank
11/9/2018 03:38:53 pm

It's obvious that to Giorgio's thinking our ancients were idiots compared to these generous and kind ETs. If these gentlemen are not in it merely to make money with these speculations, then Giorgio, and others of his class are basically saying that humans were the brawn's, and the ETs the brains, in all these grand architectural achievements. In other words, the humans are capable of being only "uneducated" laborers, and the ETs were the educated engineers. Regardless on how he rewords it, to evade the truth of his implied demeaning of our ancient earthly forefathers, it is evident what he is saying.

"The initial spark of inspiration for was given to us by the extraterrestrials." OK Giorgio. And on this same premise, who was it that gave those extraterrestrials the initial spark in their own infancy? Other ETs, and so on and so on......where she stops nobody knows. It's not the hairdo, but no thanks Giorgio, on that premise, I prefer Prometheus as being the "spark" of mankind's inspiration....after all, we are told that he too came down from the sky to bring us gifts, fire and all.

"Mankind shall have fire, despite what Zeus has decided," he said to himself. And with that thought, he snuck quietly into Zeus' domain and stole a spark from Zeus' own lightning bolt. Prometheus touched the end of the long reed to the spark, and the dry substance within it caught on fire and burned slowly.

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Hal
11/9/2018 04:54:11 pm

Jason has nothing new either. He has been writing about the same shallow idea from his start. He reads what people he hates say and then claims they lie. That sums up everything he does.

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Riley V
11/9/2018 06:27:53 pm

And then, predictably, you comment just to complain.

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An Anonymous Nerd
11/10/2018 10:05:24 pm

Mr. Colavito offers research and analysis based in reality. The celebrities you waste your time supporting offer nothing comparable other than conjecture, assumptions (each of which also is lacking in evidence), and "looks like to me, therefore is." And so forth.

Finally I note that you seem to have not realized that the celebrities you admire so much do not know you and do not care about you. Given that, it bewilders me somewhat why you, or any other fan, would spend so much effort defending his or her favorite celebrities when the arguments they espouse have so little substance.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Jim
11/9/2018 06:00:01 pm

Heads up:

New Wolter Blog entry:

https://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/11/cremona-document-provides-independent.html

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Doc Rock
11/9/2018 07:24:06 pm

1st century scrolls hidden in the Catskills by Templars (or whatever they were before they were Templars), ancient artifacts with Theban script concealed in lawn ornaments, 12th century shipwrecks off of Newfoundland. The Theban script looks a lot like what ended up on my wall one day when I fell asleep and my son ran wild with a permanent marker for about an hour. These folks just have no crazy filter in place whatsoever. Now I can understand why a lot of the blog posts by an alleged celebrity are doing well to draw comments by a dozen or so posters.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/9/2018 07:53:08 pm

Don't forget the mysterious envelopes from Europe.

"There have been many times as I have spent time with Don, the artifacts, and the documents, that I sat back and marveled in amazement at what has been revealed to me that relates to my previous research and discoveries. So much of it provides powerful evidence supporting my thesis of multiple pre-Columbian expeditions by the medieval Knights Templar order to North America, both before and after the putdown by Pope Clement V and the King of France in 1307. Not only does the Cremona Document support that research, but it also introduces twelve new examples of the Hooked X™ symbol that connects directly to the Knights Templar and later traditions that embraced Templar ideology and philosophy."

I'm beginning to wonder if our Scott might not be the victim of a long-haul Prieure de Sion style hoax. "Putdown"? Really Scott?

Pierre Plantard Turnaround
11/9/2018 07:59:50 pm

Pierre Plantard changed the history of the Priory of Sion during the late 1980s and bunged the Knights Templar connection,

This was after the authors of Holy Blood Holy Grail claimed he was descended from Jesus Christ - that Plantard did not want to be a part of.

Plantard began criticising the authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail from the late 1980s.

QUOTING PIERRE PLANTARD FROM SEPTEMBER 1989
11/9/2018 08:02:45 pm

Quoting Plantard, about his revised Priory of Sion:

We are now able to officially state that the PRIORY OF SION has no direct or indirect connection with the ORDER OF THE TEMPLE, and that all this fantastic succession of Grand-Masters that authors such as Philippe TOSCAN, Mathieu PAOLI, Henry LINCOLN, Michael BAIGENT, Richard LEIGH, etc. have attributed to it derive merely from people’s imaginations and the realm of fantasy.

Joe Scales
11/9/2018 08:06:48 pm

Missed an opportunity there Cuz. Wide open. Go back a step.

Ken
11/10/2018 07:03:55 am

"Watchers who fell from Heaven are counted as the inventors of various arts... knowledge of makeup for beautifying women’s faces..."

And let us not forget the 1950/1960s when aliens gave us the knowledge and techniques of enhancing women's breasts. Thank you aliens for Stormy Daniels as well as big uns' world wide.

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttttttttt.

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An Anonymous Nerd
11/10/2018 11:31:16 pm

I read the whole interview. The word "fluff" best describes it.

Also, no comments section that I saw, sadly. What I'd say is simply this: Why resort to aliens when earth-bound explanations are adequate for most or all of what your show presents?

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Wesley Tilson link
11/11/2018 09:51:00 am

Thanks again to Jason for staving off pataphysicians.

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Iohannis
11/12/2018 03:39:46 am

If everyone had a teacher, who taught the aliens? Some being, sometime, somewhere, had to have come up with elementary geometry and architecture. Why would they have to be aliens and not humans? Humans have invented plenty of things since then - skyscrapers and airplanes and computers and cell phones and the Internet. Or did aliens invent all of those too?

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