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Graham Hancock Associate Attacks Archaeology YouTuber in Rambling Rant

5/15/2024

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​In case you were keeping score, so-called "UFO whistleblower" David Grusch pulled out of the SALT conference following the flap over revelations he's been ducking invitations to testify to AARO and was replaced with another UFO speaker, Col. Karl E. Nell, who claims credit for influencing Congressional UFO legislation. Meanwhile, there are some dustups occurring as both archaeologists and fringe figures take aim at the popularity of YouTube ancient history videos, whose audiences have outstripped traditional cable TV documentaries and book publishing.
​First up: British archaeologist Paul Barford took on fringe-adjacent YouTuber Luke Caverns. I won't spend much time on this one because Caverns's YouTube channel is relatively small, with fewer than 40,000 subscribers and videos that average around 20,000-30,000 viewers. Caverns dresses like Indiana Jones and wants to occupy a middle ground between scientific archaeology and fringe speculation. He posted a video calling for an end to "toxic archaeology," which wasn't really about that, and you are welcome to read the lengthy analysis Barford provides of Caverns's weird effort to defend the authenticity of a friend's vase that Barford feels is a likely forgery. As of this writing, the two are still arguing on X.
 
Even longer, but more important, is the excruciatingly long complaint on Graham Hancock's website by freelance researcher Holly Lasko Skinner, who has worked for years as one of Hancock's research assistants. Last year, Skinner delivered a chaotic attack on archaeology as the real racist in defense of Graham Hancock against accusations his show Ancient Apocalypse repeated racist tropes. Now, she is on the attack against Milo Rossi, a YouTuber on archaeological topics under the name MiniMinuteMan. 
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​Rossi graduated from the University of Maine in 2022 and appears to be in his early to mid-twenties. He describes himself as an environmental scientist and archaeologist, though he holds no advanced degree in either field, and as best I can tell is primarily a content creator. He shouldn't be advertising himself as an archaeologist if he lacks credentials in the field and also is not working in it. (It's a bit like how Josh Gates touts his bachelor's in archaeology to imply he is an archaeologist when he isn't.) Rossi's photogenic looks have earned him nearly two million followers on YouTube, with equal numbers on TikTok and Instagram. His biggest YouTube videos have broken 4 million views. By comparison, Ancient Aliens has fewer than 700,000 viewers, mostly over the age of 50. Only the biggest TV shows in the field--Curse of Oak Island (3.3 million U.S. viewers) and Ancient Apocalypse (perhaps 10 million global viewers)--draw comparable audiences on TV as Rossi does on YouTube.
 
And when you reach those numbers, you start to make some serious money. I don't buy the SpeakerJ analysis Skinner cites (to paint him as a grifter) estimating that Rossi pulls in $1 million per month from YouTube, but monetized videos bring in $0.01 to $0.03 per view, which could net him around $20,000 per video. (The average YouTuber with 1 million subscribers earns $5,000 per month—around the average U.S. salary.) At any rate, it's probably fair to say his main vocation is content creation.
 
Skinner's rather unhinged article--approved by Graham Hancock and praised by him in a May 10 tweet--is a nasty attack on a very young man. Dollars to doughnuts, he is younger than I was when I published The Cult of Alien Gods at age 24 and received similar attacks from the big names in the fringe field for a much milder critique of their sham claims. Skinner attacks Rossi for making factual errors, for overlooking paywalled academic literature, and for not following proper archaeological procedure when exploring ancient ruins—all things Hancock and his colleagues in the fringe community do in spades, as do more "serious" TV hosts like Discovery's Josh Gates. Who can forget the time Gates and alien/giant theorist Brien Foerster reached in to a Peruvian sandpit on Expedition Unknown and yanked a skull out of a burial site without documenting the context and then reburied it in a different position? But Skinner is very upset that Rossi picked a pottery sherd up off the ground. Similarly, Skinner, writing on behalf of Hancock, might want to go easy on accusing others of relying on outdated sources. Fingerprints of the Gods was an extravaganza of pre-World War II material.
 
Skinner's real purpose reveals itself thousands of words into her attack, when she complains about Rossi's year-old analysis of Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse at great, if not always coherent, length. She takes issue, bizarrely, with Rossi saying that Graham Hancock is a "scientist"--ignoring the context that Rossi is (correctly) using the basic definition of science to explain that Hancock has a hypothesis and is attempting, however poorly, to gather evidence to evaluate it. He doesn't mean that Hancock is a credentialed and employed member of a scientific profession. Instead, she argues that Hancock cannot be a scientist because he doesn't "conduct" research but instead merely repeats others' claims. (Great defense!) Many of her criticisms come down to stripping Rossi's words of the contextual level of meaning and then arguing pedantically about definitions. We can quibble about definitions and whether Rossi was right to credit Hancock with wanting to evaluate his own hypothesis, but Skinner is clearly simply looking for things to complain about.
 
Similarly, when she attacks Rossi for summarizing Hancock's speculation as involving a "master plan" handed down by "aliens or Atlanteans" she is again being extremely pedantic:
Hancock has never claimed that aliens could be responsible for ancient monuments on Earth, and at no point in Ancient Apocalypse are aliens implied. That Rossi brings aliens into his so-called "evaluation" of Ancient Apocalypse says a lot of his integrity and calls his self-entitled role of "science communicator" into question.
​Note that she limits her reply to Ancient Apocalypse, because any other attempt at rebuttal would fail. In Fingerprints of the Gods (1995), Hancock describes a "master plan," further elaborated in Heaven's Mirror (1998), in which the lost civilization planned out various monuments at significant points of the Earth and instituted a 10,000-year plan to build monuments to the night sky of 10,500 BCE. (Frankly, 10,000 years seems a bit long for a construction project--even Boston managed to finish the Big Dig a bit quicker.) By 2019, he specifically referenced this master plan as the lost civilization's "'outreach programs' to hunter-gatherer tribes." In The Mars Mystery (1997), Hancock did indeed suggest an ancient alien connection between Earth's monuments and "pyramids" on Mars involving a geometric and iconographic plan, though he later backtracked on it in Magicians of the Gods (2015), without quite ruling it out altogether. (Hancock has appeared many times on Ancient Aliens.) In America Before (2019), he identified his lost civilization with Atlantis and both with North America.  
 
Skinner similarly tries to take Rossi's facetious remarks about Hancock's verbiage about defining a pyramid at face value, despite him literally saying he was being facetious, but there is no point in belaboring this. Hancock and his entourage are still mad about Ancient Apocalypse a year and a half after everyone else forgot about it.
 
Skinner, for all her bad-faith arguments, is correct that Rossi doesn't always get everything right. No one does, not even me. I am fully aware that the book I published at 24 doesn't reach the level of quality one I write today would, and I suspect that Rossi's videos a decade from now would be different from those he makes today. The problem is that we are outsourcing so much of the conversation to social media. There are fewer levels of review, editing, and checking. That's not to say the old days of books and TV were particularly rigorous--Chariots of the Gods wasn't exactly a model of fact-checking--but having more eyes on material and more gatekeepers tended to weed out more of the obvious, basic errors and produce more coherent and concise copy. 
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Steve in Tech Support in Madr...I mean Springfield
5/15/2024 04:41:40 pm

Someone threw a JaSON error. Looks like an encoding problem, might not be the user's fault.

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Jim
5/15/2024 04:54:20 pm

Rossi rips Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse to shreds.
I especially like the Bimini Road take apart in episode 2 (about the 21 minute mark)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iCIZQX9i1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfNgMAwsPWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdPuOmCiqnw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZsYYyrxUo

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Julio
5/16/2024 02:23:07 pm

On my computer this piece is full of errors, Unreadable.

​In case you were keeping score, so-called “UFO whistleblower” David Grusch pulled out of the SALT conference following the flap over revelations he’s

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An Over-Educated Grunt
5/16/2024 06:23:41 pm

Rossi has multiple videos of him working both paleo and archaeological digs in actual work conditions, not just in the "wandered through" role. Not only that but he's been remarkably consistent in quality of the information he delivers. Hell, his site visits in Turkey might have been the first time western audiences saw some of them.

This sounds a lot like sour grapes and you can do better.

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We have to get it right 100 times out of 100......
5/17/2024 12:52:28 pm

Rossi makes enough unforced rookie errors to give the nutters ammo, at least in their minds. The way that their math works is that he can point out 9 straight examples of clear BS on Hancock's part that wrecks his position, but if Rossi makes a misstep on point #10 that isn't even all that relevant they can claim victory.

Hancock can talk about megaliths on Mars and white people living in Antarctica and prehistoric Negroes in Mexico and his fans easily move past it to the next piece of crap. Rossi picks up a piece of pottery during a visit to a site that has probably been picked up 50 times by earlier visitors and his critics will still be talking about it five years from now.

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Brian
5/18/2024 08:29:01 pm

I watched a number of Rossi's videos, starting with his vast takedown of Hancock. But his delivery is very annoying to me (rapid-fire, with an odd obsession with recording his every audible swallow of whatever he's drinking), and I finally gave up on him this week when he ragged someone for mispronouncing "Celtics" (he didn't mispronounce it, he confused it with the term "Celts/Kelts", which Rossi didn't even catch) and then went on to pronounce Reuters as "rooters" multiple times. Sorry, but what real archaeologist has had no contact with either the German language or the major news service? And if you can't get that right, why should I believe anything you say?

Beach Rock Barbie
5/23/2024 10:48:06 am

If you come away from watching M.R. videos and are more fixated on his pronunciation of Reuters than his reasonably intelligent take down of Hancock on topics like Bimini Road then the problem may not be with M.R.

Kent
5/17/2024 07:57:30 pm

Not being versed in the field I am at a loss as to the distinction between "paleo" and "archaeological" digs. Moving on. Is it possible you're describing a fieldworker rather than an -ologist? A fine distinction perhaps but it works: -ologists publish and fieldworkers make Youtube videos.

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Brian
5/23/2024 07:11:45 pm

@Beach Rock Barbie

If I'm supposed to spend two hours listening to someone state the obvious in debunking a TikToker's silliness, and that person doesn't know basic things like the pronunciation of "Celtics" and "Reuters", why should I trust that anything more important he's saying is right? I've watched plenty of Mintueman's videos, he's okay, but my time on this planet is limited and I prefer offering it to those who take the trouble to check their own work before ranting about someone else's.

An Over-Educated Grunt
5/31/2024 12:23:00 pm

Irony: complain about pronunciation and someone else being sloppy in checking their work while misspelling a name that you could literally have simply copied and pasted from the article you're commenting on.

Mote, log, etc.

Kent
5/31/2024 09:47:18 pm

It's funny because
it's not me hat tip Homer
Simpson whoohoo-uh!

Brian
5/24/2024 08:07:36 am

@Beach Rock Barbie

If I'm supposed to spend 2 hours listening to someone debunk the nonsense of a TikToker, and that person doesn't even bother to pronounce common names like "Celtics" and "Reuters" correctly, why should I trust anything else they have to say? I've watched a number of Minuteman's videos, they're okay, but if he can't be bothered to check what he's saying, then he hasn't earned my time. I have a limited amount of time on this planet, and it's not like what he's saying hasn't been said dozens of times before, and better, by dozens of others, especially right here by Jason.

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Lifeguard obvious
5/24/2024 02:29:57 pm

For someone whining that their time on earth is limited you sure seem to be spending a lot of it talking about Milo.

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Kent
5/26/2024 02:05:13 pm

I feel like my time arrived for the campout and none of the other campers showed up. How this 5 time All-State champion has fallen!

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Den chief obvious
5/31/2024 05:51:25 pm

"...none of the other campers showed up."

That's the universe speaking to you.

Joe R
10/4/2024 02:41:23 pm

For your own sake I hope this is satire

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Doc rock
6/2/2024 11:07:43 am

I think that Milo Rossi has an interdisciplinary degree in Environmental Studies with a concentration or minor in anthropology/archaeology. Has done some fieldwork in archaeology and also in historic preservation. He has referred to himself as an archaeologist in the past but I believe that he has walked that back more recently.

The extent to which folks want to take issue with his use (or that of others with a B.A. or B.S.) of the title archaeologists by those not actually working in the field in terms of field and lab work will probably depend on the individual and context. The more popular that you are the more likely people in the field are to claim you or at least tolerate your use of the title.

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Joe Zias
7/14/2024 12:20:18 pm

This shtick sounds a bit like archaeology whereby profs unfortunately, spend day digging here, take photos and then claim they have arch experience. Before I got into this 'game' I excavated a 19th cent outdoor toilet in Detroit, we called it 'shit archaeology, did that make me into an archaeologist? Problem is anyone can call them selves an archaeologist sans any training whatsoever. and there's nothing one can do, we call this 'pimping off the bible.and there's a lot of money to be made. I saw this as a grad student, working with 'store front churches/preachers, none had any theological training, no degree, all were blessed by the Holy Ghost. $$$

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mau
8/8/2024 09:30:18 pm

"who has worked for years as one of Hancock's research assistants."

In a different world, Skinner's poor understanding of research and the results on display in Hancock's lifes work would discredit them both.

Instead, these "public intellectuals" cosplay as professionals and profit well.

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