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Graham Hancock: Buy My Book to "Put One Finger Up to the Mainstream"

11/22/2015

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This week Graham Hancock appeared on The Joe Rogan Experience for a three-hour discussion of fringe history, which is the length of two feature movies. If you made it through the entire three hours in one sitting, you have much more patience than I do. It’s a mind-numbing slog through Hancock’s id, and it was one that came complete with his now-frequent claim that attacks on his work hurt his feelings. “I’m human,” he said, “and it hurts.” Over the course of the three-hour discussion, Hancock discussed attacks on him and how archaeologists are working to discredit him almost a dozen times that I counted—and I skipped over some parts. The pity party overshadowed pretty much everything else in the discussion.
This interview differs from Hancock’s others in that he is joined by Randall Carlson, another a fringe theorist whose work on geology Hancock used in his new book, Magicians of the Gods, even though Carlson has no education or credentials in geology. Both Hancock and Carlson admit that their views on ancient history (human and geological respectively) are shaped by psychedelic drugs, as we shall see. Both Hancock and Carlson had some trouble understanding that The Joe Rogan Experience is a podcast, primarily accessed as audio (though there is a video version), and so they came with a PowerPoint presentation and some photos that Rogan told them that most of the audience can’t see.
 
Hancock has trouble perceiving irony, and he did not recognize that he was describing himself when he announced that scientists are not objective but instead identify their personalities with their theories, and thus “any attack on that idea becomes an existential attack on you yourself.” Since a half-hour earlier Hancock talked about how he found attacks on his ideas personally painful to his ego, I am dumbfounded that he is unable to see his own reflection in the mirror.
 
Joe Rogan agreed with Hancock wholeheartedly, and he endorses that idea that “academics” are refusing to investigate or teach material that disagrees with their paradigms. “It makes your education look like shit,” he said after pausing to think about how college professors use what Hancock calls a “knowledge filter” to impose orthodoxy. I am not a regular consumer of the podcasts of Joe Rogan, so I was not aware that he was a full-fledged anti-academic conspiracy theorist and not just a goofy fringe/New Age proponent.
 
Hancock says that archaeology is “ideology” that follows the view that civilization moves from the primitive to the sophisticated in linear format, leading to use as the apex and pinnacle of a teleological evolution. This was the view of the Victorians, after Henry Lewis Morgan proposed in 1877 that humanity moved from savagery to barbarism to civilization in linear form, but that hasn’t been the case in anthropology or archaeology for many decades. Claude Levi-Strauss was a notable opponent, arguing that barbarism was primarily the province of those who would describe others as barbarians. Modern scholars, as usual, have a number of competing views.
 
The other important takeaway is that all of these characters are essentially stuck in the 1990s. Joe Rogan talks about how he gained his information about these ideas from the 1993 Mystery of the Sphinx documentary, and that he read Fingerprints of the Gods in the 1990s. Hancock talks at length about the various battles he fought against archaeology in the 1990s, and he seems to be attributing to archaeology Clovis-first paradigms also not supported since the 1990s.
 
Carlson, who says that he got many of his ideas from nineteenth century catastrophist textbooks, claims that global elites are trying to suppress the truth about asteroids and their role in climate change in order to promote a political ideology of social control that they can blame on global warming. Carlson also denies that human beings could cause the extinction of megafauna, and based on this he concludes that humans are not able to cause mass extinctions; ergo, climate change-driven mass extinctions are a political hoax used to impose global control. Carlson returns to the idea that climate change is not caused by human beings over the course of the three hours, and the more he talks, the more his politics leak out around the edges. (Carlson has expressed similar views for several years.)
 
In a new claim, Hancock denies the Bering Strait hypothesis of the peopling of the Americas and speculates that the ruins of his lost civilization were destroyed by a comet that crashed into North America, where it was located, perhaps remembered as Atlantis. No trace of this civilization exists, but he speculates that the comet simply destroyed it all.
 
In the second hour, Hancock returns to his hatred of archaeologists, to which he adds climate scientists, and announced that he believes that astrology is “an ancient science” that he thinks, based on a book he read, may have a real impact on human consciousness. Hancock says that elites use “ideological tools” and “arguments from authority” to make it impossible to “think outside the box” by imposing beliefs about astrology, climate change, and ancient history that all right-thinking people must believe. This leads to a lengthy discussion of altered states of consciousness and Hancock’s belief that modern society does not sufficiently recognize and reward imagination, creativity, and dreams, the last of which he suggests may be actual messages from another dimension.
 
Carlson spends his part of the hour endorsing various catastrophist views of how the end of the Ice Age created what is essentially Noah’s Flood.
 
The third hour begins with Hancock, now becoming hoarse from speaking, blasting archaeologists again for authoritarian tendencies and exposing his own uneasy relationship with the middle decades of his life by explaining that authority figures have failed us and lied to us at every level, especially in politics, which is why we must therefore question human history. In short: Nixon was a crook, so archaeology is also a fraud.
 
Rogan wonders why Hancock writes books, which he says are an inefficient way to change public attitudes. “There are a lot people that won’t read a book,” Rogan said. “Documentaries are so easy. All you do is open your stupid mouth, lay down, turn on Netflix, and bam! You know, you can absorb it. People are lazy.” And there in a nutshell is the problem! Even a lengthy documentary will contain a fraction of the words of a long-form magazine article, let alone a book, and they rely more on emotion than logic.
 
Hancock, however, says that he needs the audience to go out and buy the book that he says archaeologists don’t want you to read: “That is the best way to put one finger up to the mainstream,” he said. Hancock claims this is the first time he has ever begged a show’s audience to go out and by a book. He would like it to be a rallying cry against authority of all stripes.
 
There was almost another hour after that, but that was really the climax of the show. The remaining time Hancock spent summarizing various claims from his book about supposedly anomalous archaeological sites covered in Magicians, including his claim that Atlantis can be found worldwide, including in Indonesia. Hancock denied being a Freemason and said that he wouldn’t join the Freemasons. Indeed, Hancock denies that there is a Masonic global conspiracy. (“Most of them are in it for the beer. Freemasonry is mostly a male drinking club.” – He specified that’s after hours drinking, not during meetings.) However, Hancock did assert that Masons have “ancient knowledge,” and all three men can’t understand why dollar bills have a pyramid on the back (“Why can’t it just say ‘one dollar’?” Rogan asks), none of them recognizing that the image is the Great Seal of the United States, which is, I imagine, what they mean to question. Rogan feels that the all-seeing eye represents the pineal gland while high on drugs. Meanwhile Carlson babbles on about how the Masonic statue of the weeping virgin is a catastrophist drug metaphor based in the resurrection of Osiris. He argues that Father Time’s sickle is really a representation of a comet and that the virgin weeps for the destruction of the antediluvian world before the comet destroyed it. In quick flash of some slides that Carlson didn’t mean to be seen, there were references to Enoch, and this is (sigh) yet another Watchers story, filtered through Masonic conspiracies.
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​In actually, the image was created by Amos Doolittle to illustrate a book by Jeremy Cross in 1819 as an allegory for the death of Hiram Abiff and the discovery of his body, the key narrative of Masonry’s Third Degree. This is not a secret, or at least hasn’t been since the original texts slipped into the public domain more than a century ago. (There was a late Victorian conspiracy theory that it was an astrological allegory, which I imagine is the source Carlson is ultimately reliant upon.)
 
The show concludes with Rogan, Carlson, and Hancock discussing the drugs they enjoy taking and praising voters for legalizing marijuana in several U.S. states. Hancock says he looks forward to visiting each state where pot is now legal, and he is positively giddy about continuing to use the marijuana he previously identified as causing extreme paranoia in him. I don’t disagree with his assessment that adults should be able to make their own decisions about drugs. but I disagree that such drugs help to produce better evidence for ancient history. Carlson, who said he did acid and peyote for months on end, claims that his acid trips are what inspired him to oppose mainstream geology and embrace catastrophism after he realized that the land is, in its own way, alive. 
66 Comments
Time Machine
11/22/2015 11:07:12 am

>>>three men can’t understand why dollar bills have a pyramid on the back<<<

It dates from the time when Freemasonry was a big thing in the corridors of power, Alas, don't confuse Hancock's Freemasonry with the real thing.

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V
11/22/2015 05:34:54 pm

Don't worry, we don't. We also don't confuse YOUR Freemasonry with the real thing, GIGO.

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Time Machine
11/22/2015 07:09:55 pm

V,

Don't even think about me
Look at all the academic literature out there by University Publishers.

Time Machine
11/22/2015 07:22:30 pm

Witness the psychic spies in American Intelligence - if those at the top during the 18th century regarded Freemasonry as something special - then that is absolutely no different to how the President of the USA regards Remote Viewing today. Stargate may have been shelved, but the book has not been closed.

Only Me
11/23/2015 01:13:29 am

"Look at all the academic literature out there by University Publishers."

Time Machine, posting as KIF:

"But never bank on established scholarship as an absolute reference point. Established scholarship can be just as equally flawed as Flying Saucer Philosophy and the belief in Aleister Crowley."

Time Machine
11/23/2015 04:49:19 am

Only Me,

Only Me is anti-Freemasonry because Freemasonry is anti-Christianity.

Here lies the nub of all the negative comments on Freemasonry on this Blog.

Anti-Freemasonry bloggers on this board = proponents of the Bible.

LOL

Time Machine
11/23/2015 05:00:34 am

There's psychic warfare and remote viewing in the USA defense department, the Skull and Bones, the American origin of Independence that contains shades of Freemasonry within it (the first president of the USA was a Freemason, for one example), and there's also the Bohemian Grove.

Rosicrucianism is a fantasy - Rosicrucianism never existed.

The same thing cannot be said about Freemasonry - the French Grand Orient is cognate with the French Parliament - something dating back to the French Revolution. United Grand Lodge in the UK was about the Hanoverian Protestant Monarchy that succeeded the last Roman Catholic British King, James II., following his overthrow in the "Glorious Revolution",

And there's P2 in Italy, that nobody can deny its shadow in the corridors of power.



Time Machine
11/23/2015 05:07:34 am

I forgot to mention the Illuminati,

Adam Weishaupt existed and so did the Bavarian Illuminati, but it was only a flash in the pan - the original Bavarian Illuminati were crushed by KING AND PRIEST.

Now, all the crap that exists in books and the internet about the Illuminati is a disgrace, because that material is nothing about Adam Weishaupt.

For the first time ever, Weishaupt's original writings and Illuminati documents have been translated from German into English showing what the subject matter was all about.

Josef Wäges and Reinhard Markner (editors), The Secret School of Wisdom: The Authentic Rituals and Doctrines of the Illuminati (2015)

Only Me
11/23/2015 05:23:28 am

Ah, yes. Pointing out glaring contradictions and inconsistencies in your arguments, which calls into question those same arguments, is the result of a conspiracy.

You really need to try harder, GIGO.

Time Machine
11/23/2015 07:53:27 am

Only Me,

You are engaging in religious sectarianism - one form of irrationality (Jesus Christ) against another form of irrationality (Hiram Abiff),

There's enough madness in mainstream history without having to address the alternative histories of EvD, Graham Hancock, Scott Wolter, et al.

Only Me
11/23/2015 03:05:30 pm

No, GIGO, I'm engaging a buffoon.

After the departure of a certain rune stone enthusiast, I had hoped we'd seen the last of pointless blog post trolling, for the sake of disrupting discussion in favor of a pet theory. Nope. Now we have you, using the same tactics.

Basically, you're an immature dick pretending to be a scholar and only succeeding in becoming a joke.

Anon
11/22/2015 11:54:24 am

Scientists can be bitchy and irrationally stubborn/ideological - true. Haha, I've taken plenty of science classes and I didn't notice any superior humans sat in there with me.
There was a big asteroid - maybe. why not ? This is something that's still being contended isn't it ? Kennet vs Meltzer etc ?
All traces of civilization gone - can't see how.
Carlson politics - big climate denier
Carlson climate science - bad (I've been checking his claims and figure with ex MIT guys, and on the back of my envelope.)
Unilinearity - long abandoned
Drugs - don't knock 'em till you've tried 'em. Much better to have experience of them before theorising about them. Don't be too reckless, though.

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V
11/22/2015 05:42:52 pm

Individual scientists can be, but the community overall, not as much. There's something to be said for a community where you say "prove it" and THEY DO. (Or don't. Either way.)

As for drugs, I tend to look at the science about what happens to the body when you take them and say, "Not only no, but FUCK no." Besides, I went to ART SCHOOL. Being high is a shitty way to be actually creative. You have no filter, no way to edit, when you are high, so generally speaking, what you create when high is absolute shit, but you don't notice because you're too high. So I'm not going to judge the experience of being high, but when 100% of the work I've seen created by people who are high is tragically ruined by being high at best, and was shit to start with at worst, I'm gonna mistrust anything anyone says the "learned" or "created" while high. And I don't need to have taken the drugs to look at those results.

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Mark link
11/22/2015 07:35:10 pm

Can't speak to drugs, never having tried any - assuming caffeine doesn't count - but science, I agree. But then, I would, since I'm a mathematician myself.

Individual scientists are no better or worse as people then anyone else. But scientific culture, and the structure of scientific institutions, works pretty well. Not perfectly - nothing human is perfect - but pretty well. In particular, scientific training really rubs your nose in the idea that *you will sometimes be wrong*, and you need to be able to realize that, accept it, and move on. Sometimes scientists forget that, but that's the ideal.

I do think we can be a bit arrogant and dismissive when dealing with non-scientists, though. By that, I don't mean that Hancock and co. have a point, because they don't. But... Well, by the time I finish my degree, I'll have spent eleven years in college. Then I'm going to spend more years bouncing around post-docs before I finally get tenure, if I ever do. When some random schmuck who's watched a few YouTube videos decides to lecture me about how I'm wrong about everything, well, it's easy to understand why I might not take it very well. And that does occasionally happen - not nearly as often in math as in archaeology or physics, but it does happen.

The downside to that is, first, once in a very great while, outsiders can be right - though it's rare and getting rarer, it does occasionally happen. And second, if you just flip that guy off, you're going to make some of the people watching you think you're an arrogant know-it-all who needs to be taken down a peg.

I don't really know if there's a solution to this. Scientists *can't* engage every crank with a pet theory; we'd spend all our time on that without getting any science done. Still, it bugs me.

ANON
11/23/2015 02:06:19 pm

Ok, buuut, would you be able to spot drug induced art if you had not been told that it was such ?

Or would you be able to spot the symbolism employed by someone making art about their drug experience ?

Let's move away from drugs for a moment and take religious art, say zen art, for example.

You have allegorical works like the ten oxes that would make zero sense to anyone who had never heard of zen, more sense to someone who has studied zen in theory, and even more sense to someone who had actually practiced.

Without that sort of insight you are in danger of literalism.

In anthropology I see no problem with exploring the drugs of the natives first hand, it can only increase insight and understanding.

Of course, we are talking about something pretty hard to be objective about when we talk about the pleasure value of any particular piece of art.

I'd have thought that removing the editor for a while was a good way to expand artistic boundaries. Depends what you want out of life, and to an extent how obedient you are - because after all we live in a temporary prohibition bubble in which governments have taken it upon themselves to determine what you can and cannot experience.
So in fact you are not allowed to be truly experimental in this area unless you have courage to take a risk. That's not really in the spirit of scientific enquiry.

Hendrix anyone ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJunCsrhJjg

ANON
11/23/2015 02:26:10 pm

..or let's say you had a picture of an Indian flesh suspension ceremony, or a BDSM session.
A future archaeologist rummaging in the ruins of our civilisation might naively think these were punishment torture practices. Only someone who had tried it would be able to say, with certainty, that they are for inducing extreme pleasure. You could weave a long, involved story about them based on the idea of punishment and be completely off base.

Clearly an Indian court administering punishment for taboo breaking ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:George_Catlin_-_The_Cutting_Scene,_Mandan_O-kee-pa_Ceremony_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg

ANON
11/28/2015 11:14:42 pm

case in point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvhDb4phhzY

Anon
11/22/2015 12:01:09 pm

So I'm watching it, and a few minutes in Carlson references Greenland ice cores.
But his previous mentions of ice cores have been to say that they are unreliable, and the IPCC can't be trusted because it uses them in it's paleoclimate reconstructions.
He needs to make his mind up.

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Anon
11/22/2015 12:08:58 pm

Lastly... does Hancock have a point about Gobekli Tepe - in that something so complex, and so old, was a scorned idea deemed impossible, until recently ?

Or has it always been thought that there could be such development so long ago ?

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Time Machine
11/22/2015 12:14:03 pm

http://arheologija.ff.uni-lj.si/documenta/authors37/37_21.pdf

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Time Machine
11/22/2015 12:24:08 pm

Another link about Gobekli Tepe

http://www.persee.fr/doc/paleo_0153-9345_2000_num_26_1_4697

Anon
11/22/2015 12:54:47 pm

Thanks.

lurkster
11/22/2015 12:38:37 pm

Hit Jason's search box above for his excellent debunking of all wacky Gobekli claims.

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
11/22/2015 04:34:32 pm

There may be some truth in it. In the mid-20th century, the assumption was that the development of agriculture produced sedentary living. Sedentary living produced the concentrations of population and the complex social organization necessary to undertake monumental constructions. Study of pre-agricultural settlements like those of the Natufian culture (in the Levant more than 12,000 years ago) have undermined the belief that agriculture was a precondition for sedentary living. Early signs of activity at Göbekli Tepe go back to the late Paleolithic, far earlier than agriculture, which starts to undermine the idea that settlements are necessary for monumental construction—though the most monumental constructions date to the Neolithic.

At least one genuine archaeologist argues that the whole process of the emergence of civilization needs to be rethought, with Göbekli Tepe as one of his reasons: "Here we have a site which does not even appear to be a settlement with evidence of communal efforts at the construction of an ideological identity in monumental form long before the Neolithic. Obviously, the site has two lessons or us. On the one hand, it did not create a state, and on the other it demonstrates that a communal will is more important than agricultural surpluses." The whole paper is at http://www.academia.edu/5386308/YoffeeReview, though only pages 30 and 31 discuss Göbekli Tepe.

Of course, even if Göbekli Tepe does overthrow the conventional wisdom, that doesn't make Hancock right.

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ANON
11/23/2015 02:11:14 pm

Yeah I would have thought it would be hard to say either way what level of settlement a society had just by a monument like GT. Why would they have to have been living right at the thing ? Why not a few miles away in some other undiscovered location ?

Nobody lives at monuments now, unless they are homeless, so why would they then ?

V
11/22/2015 05:48:55 pm

Please to be ignoring anything GIGO there provides. He has an Agenda of his own.

My understanding has been that the idea was considered more or less impossible, inasmuch as anything is considered actively impossible in archeology, because the paradigm was that you had to have agriculture in order to support a large enough and organized enough population to produce something that complex--but that the discovery of Gobekli Tepe was in and of itself the thing that caused the paradigm shift, COMPLETELY invalidating the point that "Oh, academics enforce a strict paradigm and deny anything that goes against it!" The moment there were even vaguely reliable dates for the site, the world of history and archeology was already scrambling to explain it--not get rid of it, but explain it in a way that made sense, which broke the paradigm and flipped it entirely inside out, to "the need to organize in order to produce such complex structures is what caused agriculture to be developed in the first place."

That's what idiots like Hancock don't understand. The entire field of history is based on being able to roll with the punches and actually CHANGE YOUR IDEAS when they are warranted. It's just that it's a "show me the proof" kind of thing, and Hancock doesn't have the proof he thinks he does, because he's an idiot.

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
11/22/2015 05:59:34 pm

Both of the URLs that Time Machine provided link to works by Klaus Schmidt, the widely acknowldged expert on Göbekli Tepe who led the excavations there until his death last year, so not everything Time Machine provides is junk. It's just that most of what he or she SAYS is junk.

Time Machine
11/22/2015 07:14:51 pm

Not the Comte de Saint Germain,

Don't even think about me and my "agenda" - witness all the academic literature about Freemasonry disseminated by University Publishers - Freemasonry does have a valid role in Western History.,

And there's P2 - that Freemasonic body has a big role in the corridors of power.

I repeat, the attitude of the Bloggers here towards the subject matter is disgraceful.

Time Machine
11/22/2015 07:18:59 pm

Philip Willan, The Last Supper: The Mafia, The Masons and The Killing of Roberto Calvi (Constable & Robinson Ltd, 2007).

Time Machine
11/22/2015 07:57:09 pm

In March 1981, police found a list of alleged members of P2 in Lucio Gelli's house in Arezzo. It contained 962 names, among which were important state officials, important politicians and a number of military officers, including the heads of the three Italian secret services. [Paul Ginsborg, Italy and Its Discontents: Family, Civil Society, State, 1980-2001, London: Palgrave Macmillan, 2003]

Only Me
11/23/2015 01:18:22 am

"Don't even think about me and my 'agenda' - witness all the academic literature about Freemasonry disseminated by University Publishers"

Time Machine, posting as KIF:

"There's lots of nonsense from established scholarship."

Time Machine, posting as Nobody Knows:

"Any archaeologist or historian worth their salt would own up to the fact that they are short on their databases and that their opinions and theories are only that and nothing else."

Time Machine
11/23/2015 04:52:36 am

The anti-Freemasonry proponents on this Blog are pro-Bible.

Here lies the nub.

There is no other explanation for it,

LOL

Only Me
11/23/2015 05:19:58 am

I'm not anti-Freemasonry. I'm anti-pseudointellectual garbage, and you're the main trash dispenser.

Time Machine
11/23/2015 07:59:02 am

Those conservative Biblical scholars that claim the Gospels date from the first century - that's pseudo-intellectual garbage.

That school of thought only originated during the 20th century as panic response to 19th century critical Biblical scholarship that deemed the Gospels dated from the mid-second century AD.

Justin Martyr was the first Christian to recognise the existence of Gospel material except his quotations from them weren't identical but similar. The evolution and development of Christianity was still in flow and had not fully developed.

An Over-Educated Grunt
11/23/2015 09:05:08 am

"The anti-Freemasonry proponents on this Blog are pro-Bible... There is no other explanation for it."

Actually, there's at least one good one: You routinely overstate the role Freemasonry plays in history, including but not limited to '80s Italian politics and the French Revolution (money had a lot more to do with the Vatican banking scandal than P2, and don't even get me started on 1789...). Further, you're a boor, you constantly bring up old arguments that you flat-out lost as if they have anything to do with the subject at hand, and you act like this blog, which is, last time I checked, hosted on jasoncolavito.com, not 666/KIF/Hermes/NobodyKnows/TimeMachine.com, is your personal platform for railing against Christianity - never religion in general, always Christianity specifically - and talking about esoteric history like it has one damn thing to do with the current conversation. Someone you don't like posts something completely unrelated to Masons, the French Revolution, Josephus, Aleister Crowley, et cetera? Why that must be a cut and dried invitation for you to shoot your mouth off!

So yes, there's at least one alternate explanation: YOU are an asshole. That has plenty more supporting evidence than any of the half-dozen people you've routinely irritated's beliefs one way or the other.

Time Machine
11/23/2015 12:08:46 pm

You missed out P2 in relation to the killing of Roberto Calvi

Of course the impact of Freemasonry on Western History is overstated - you have got your own agenda

You live in a fantasy world where all the top people are sensible and rational.

Your entre world view is based on that mistaken premise.

Hence all your completely nonsensical remarks about Freemasonry.

An Over-Educated Grunt
11/23/2015 12:27:05 pm

Ah yes, because you know my worldview so well. Once again, though... you're the one who claimed Masons guided the French Revolution to inspire us to rationality. I'm the one who claimed they weren't in control of events. Make up your mind.

ANON
11/22/2015 12:20:50 pm

...er, not lastly, having watched more - yeah, he does whine a lot doesn't he ?

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Bob Jase
11/22/2015 12:27:34 pm

Hah! I can put up an even bigger finger to ALL publishing by not buying his book.

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Ph
11/22/2015 12:28:31 pm

I've seen quite a bit about Joe Rogan, most of the podcasts as well.
I have not seen this one yet, but i know him to be quite a sceptic, though he indulges a bit too long in the delusions of other people (IMO)

He has a show called "Joe Rogan Questions Everything" where he is quite sceptic, but somehow he seems to skirt the lines of not offending the theorists while still remaining sceptic.

In some interviews after that series his statements were quite harsher about those episodes then when he made them, i think he mainly indulges them so he has a show, and not some theorists leaving in a hissyfit after 5 minutes due to imagined emotional scarring.

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ANON
11/22/2015 12:47:10 pm

Yeah he's done his own debunking TV series hasn't he ? He's quite hard headed when he wants to be. I expect if someone offered to go on his show and offer some serious refutations of all this he might take them up, if they were polite about it.

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ANON
11/22/2015 02:59:37 pm

...but they'd have to be prepared for a biblical deluge of online hate. :-)

Anon
11/22/2015 12:53:32 pm

I don't really see why Hancock goes with some outside culture as creator of Gobekli, apart from the obvious Atlantis theory. Especially as it's only just been started to be excavated. If as he says there are vast areas from that period now underwater, why would we assume that areas much closer to Anatolia (ie, not in the mid-Atlantic) are not the originating areas of the GT culture ?
Especially as it's a lot closer to Africa than his proposed place of cultural origin. Why would a mid-Atlantic area have a head start on somewhere much closer to where humanity originated ?

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Shane Sullivan
11/22/2015 01:59:22 pm

Hancock's preferred vision of "Atlantis" has never really been situated in the Atlantic, but rather wherever science (fringe or otherwise) allows him to pretend it was, from Antarctica to all the world's now-submerged coastlines to the bottom of a crater in North America. He's perfectly happy to assimilate any Atlantis-like story of a sunken or vanished land as evidence for his claim, but always taking great pains to dismiss or ignore the many details that refute it.

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Jean Stone
11/22/2015 01:13:03 pm

"Since a half-hour earlier Hancock talked about how he found attacks on his ideas personally painful to his ego, I am dumbfounded that he is unable to see his own reflection in the mirror."

Hancock recycles his own bad ideas and long-discredited Victorian ones, sucking whatever life remains out of their nearly-dead husks and also out of anyone slogging through his books. So if you think about it he's sort of like an intellectual vampire. There you go, mystery solved.

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Ph
11/22/2015 01:45:40 pm

After listening to an hour of cherry picking facts i had to give up.
These 2 theorists can spout facts bonded with half truths leading to fantasy in a much faster pace then my mind can put their claims into perspective with all the other known facts.

I think that is the way they convince people? overdose on 'connected' facts until your mind gives up resisting and takes it in?

I think it would be very good to see you on that podcast Jason.

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Shane Sullivan
11/22/2015 01:46:48 pm

Tangentially related, has everyone seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JEVTCc2jzA

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Anon
11/22/2015 02:11:26 pm

Oop, just heard Carlson make another climate blunder. Claims that global warming began 200 years ago. Claims that glaciers started retreating a century before there was a any 'significant' human contribution of CO2. Omits methane (or is that emits methane?)

Ruddiman and early AGW
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110325/full/news.2011.184.html

"Scientists have come up with new evidence in support of the controversial idea that humanity's influence on climate began not during the industrial revolution, but thousands of years ago. Proposed by palaeoclimatologist William Ruddiman in 2003, the theory says that human influences offset the imminent plunge into another ice age and helped create the relatively stable climate that we are familiar with today. "

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Kal
11/22/2015 03:38:33 pm

When I saw Rogan I thought Seth Rogan, and that would have been way more interesting a show, but then I realized it was Joe. I have no interest in listening to 3 hours of regurgitated theories and fringe ideas. Thanks for the summary. I won't comment on Hancock as I would rather not receive hate mail from him or his followers. Yeah.

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tm
11/22/2015 05:27:29 pm

Hancock and his followers sent you hare mail? That's despicable!

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tm
11/22/2015 05:29:42 pm

Oops. Hate mail. That's despicable too.

Victoria
11/22/2015 11:18:31 pm

I clicked on something at the bottom of the comment post section. I thought I was authorizing notices when I got comments from my comment. I had no idea that it went to Hancock.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
11/23/2015 09:11:20 am

If you mean here - it doesn't. Just that some fringe personalities (Scott Wolter and Scotty Roberts come to mind) apparently either attract a fan base that lives to Google their names, or are more the DIY types. So if you upset the wrong person (see elsewhere in this very post) expect a flood of ridiculous comments following yours, for which you potentially receive updates.

tm
11/23/2015 02:15:38 pm

If that's the case, I definitely remember some pointed criticisms of Kal in blog posts here, but I don't remember any hateful posts to him from Hancock or his followers.

Only Me
11/22/2015 05:20:32 pm

Hancock hasn't learned that appeals to emotion are only effective if the audience is willing to empathize with him. He has made his fortune from fringe history, playing fast and loose with his "evidence" and changing his narrative based on which fringe ideas are experiencing an uptick in popular culture.

Answering any form of criticism with the accusation of conspiracy is preposterous. Appearing only on those forums that are friendly to his work diminishes his credibility. If he truly believed he is on to something game-changing, he shouldn't be afraid to face skepticism.

In regards to his fee-fees, remember the old saying, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen."

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Clete
11/22/2015 05:21:57 pm

It sounds to me that Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson would be a load of laughs to party with. After they were totally stoned, if you were also, I would bet their theories and rambling would make sense, at least until you sobered up and came to the realization that they are both full of shit.

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Ph
11/22/2015 05:44:35 pm

Make a drinking game while watching this video.
Every time they use a fallacy from the list, you have to drink a shot.
list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
I bet no one makes it to hour 2 of the video.

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ANON
11/23/2015 02:33:54 pm

Ah, but, they would be cunning and insist on swapping the booze for weed and also insist you support your objections without using logical fallacies. Every time you deploy a fallacy, you smoke another.
Dear me, you would need lots of big floor cushions t play that game....

Victoria
11/22/2015 08:54:06 pm

Well, that explains it. My sister took a lot of acid and is going down the same conspiracy theories that Hancock believes.

Ok, I don't blame the acid. Not sure who to blame. She is educated, just not in the sciences.

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DaveR
11/23/2015 11:48:36 am

Basically they're saying it's fine for them to call credentialed academics names, criticize their works, call them liars and cheats, but NOBODY can do the same to them because it hurts their feelings. It also appears they're saying that drugs have given them insights into history, archeology, and geology, so their form of academic studying is taking drugs.

Personally when I choose the person to listen to regarding scientific issues, I'll go with someone who has spent years in study and research. That being said, if I need some insights into drugs I'll go with these guys, because it sounds like they've done some serious research on the subject matter.

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ANON
11/23/2015 02:43:19 pm

...mind, he does say some dodgy things about drugs too. I checked, and ayahuasca is not always seen as feminine by the natives. Sometimes it's deemed to be a masculine spirit. There's a lot of New Age projection going on. Not that the Indians have the final say or own the philosophy of the stuff, and people are free to make their own myths if they think it's useful. But it does play into the eschatological thrust of his work as leading to a world enlightenment and restoration of a golden age.

As far as ayahuasca goes, aside from being helpful to many individuals, it hasn't brought peace to the tribes that have used it for thousands of years, in fact it's sometimes used in war sorcery, so it's a bit silly to expect it to transform the modern world.

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A.D.
11/23/2015 11:33:50 pm

I really can't stand that cocky bastard.That's why his last name ends with cock for being an arrogant cocky prick.

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Standing right here...
-Northern White Rhino

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