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Graham Hancock Claims Los Angeles Fossils Are Linked to Younger Dryas Comet

3/7/2019

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​In a month’s time, Graham Hancock will release his new book, America Before, which attempts to document what he claims to be evidence for a lost civilization that was destroyed when a comet collided with North America at the start of the Younger Dryas period about 12,900 years ago and triggered horrific wildfires that burned much of the continent. Skeptic magazine has commissioned me to review the book, and my review will be published when the book is released in the United States in April. But in the meantime, Hancock tweeted what he said was supporting evidence that his comet holocaust killed off the megafauna of Ice Age America:

The dates & evidence of exposure to wildfires link this to the Younger Dryas comet impacts that devastated North America around 12,900 years ago.Not only the megafauna went extinct then. We also lost an advanced civilization from the record. https://t.co/kJqoDISfWq

— Graham Hancock (@Graham__Hancock) March 6, 2019
​The article Hancock cites describes the discovery of a trove of Ice Age mammal fossils in excavations being done in Los Angeles for a new branch of the city’s subway. One set of sloth bones was found alongside pieces of charcoal, which investigators suggest represented the remains of a wildfire that caused the mudslide that killed an buried the animals. Their analysis, however, does not support the claim that this wildfire was the world-ending apocalypse envisioned by Younger Dryas comet impact believers, even though the fossils date to 12,900 years ago, the same time frame as the alleged impact:
​John Harris, who leads Cogstone’s laboratory work identifying fossils, said in an interview that partial sloth skeleton was discovered in sediments that contained fragments of charcoal, indicating the beast was preserved in a mudslide that likely resulted from an ancient wildfire.
 
“Like today, there’s a wildfire followed by rains which spark a mudflow,” Harris said. “As the mudflows capture people and cars today, they also caught bison and sloths before.”
​There is, of course, no evidence to link the particular wildfire described here to the supposed Younger Dryas comet-induced fires that allegedly burned over the whole globe. I’ll note, though, that the fragments of charcoal don’t match the “carbon-rich black layer” of iridium, charcoal, soot, carbon, and nanodiamonds that Younger Dryas comet researchers claim represents the remains of these global wildfires. They also claimed that the bones of megafauna were not found in the soot layer, unlike the sloth found mixed up with mud and charcoal. “The in situ bones of extinct Pleistocene megafauna, along with Clovis tool assemblages, occur below this black layer but not within or above it,” R. B. Firestone et al. wrote in 2007.
 
By coincidence, the current issue of Skeptical Inquirer contains and article challenging the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis that addresses the issue of the conflagration. Impact physicist Mark Boslough wrote that “the swarm-of-descending-fireballs idea was based on a less-than-accurate TV documentary animation of a simulation I had done to test an idea that I had long since rejected.” He takes issue with a number of comet impact claims, but regardless of whether a comet hit, the existence (or non-existence) of the comet implies nothing about the existence of Atlantis any more than it would unicorns or leprechauns.
 
It remains a point of astonishment that the bones of megafauna that supposedly died in the comet strike turn up with regularity, but every human being and all of the buildings, tools, and material possessions of the lost Atlantis-like civilization were blasted clean off the face of the Earth, without a single trace remaining. I have trouble imagining that a sloth can manage to have its bones preserved for all time, but not a single outpost of Atlantis had even a single bolt or screw remain. 
57 Comments
Simple
3/7/2019 09:07:33 am

Atlantis is under the waters of the Atlantic Ocean.

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Joe Scales
3/8/2019 10:22:50 am

Yeah, I'm usually out at "Atlantis", but had to salute this one. Genuinely funny.

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Hanslune
3/7/2019 10:10:27 am

Simples

An advanced invisible civilization is both invisible when destroyed as it is while 'living'. They pop into and out of existence fully form and leave nothing behind.

That's Atlantis 101

I look forward to the book review but I do not look forward to a new wave of fringe fanatics 'quoting his new book'.

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Naughtius
3/7/2019 11:18:43 am

So was this comet before or after the Sphinx was built, should itn ave wiped out monuments that people like Hancock claim are much older that mainstream beliefs?

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David Evans
3/7/2019 01:21:56 pm

Hancock dated the Sphinx to 8,000 BC, much younger than the Younger Dryas.

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PROSPERO45
3/8/2019 07:49:49 am

As hancock appears to have no scientific training of any kind, how is he qualified to date the Sphinx ?

David Evans
3/8/2019 09:07:14 am

Prospero45, Hancock is a journalist, which means he gets his scientific knowledge mainly from other people. His estimates of the age of the Sphinx lean heavily on the ideas of Robert Schoch, who has postgraduate degrees in geology and geophysics. Schoch concluded that the Sphinx is much older than commonly thought by looking at the extent of what he thought was rain erosion on the monument.

PROSPERO45
3/9/2019 01:59:42 pm

I don't know that Schoch is a much more reliable source than Hancock these days, despite his qualifications. You would be more likely to find him in Egypt running guided tours at $6900 a go (flights not included) than to find him giving lectures in Boston.

Either that, or speaking at a convention for pyramidiots, along with other pseudo types.

David Evans
3/9/2019 02:15:36 pm

I agree, qualifications are no guarantee against being wrong. I was replying to what I thought was your implication that Hancock's views are negligible because he himself isn't qualified in the field.
The point of his books is that he's pulling together information from different disciplines, not that he is a specialist in any of them. I find them entertaining, but to be read with caution.

PROSPERO45
3/9/2019 04:51:43 pm

Having read some of hancocks work, I find it hard to believe he does not consider himself to be somewhat more than an amateur in these matters. His readers, who appear to be emotional types, seem to have afforded him something approaching 'Guru' status, something he makes no effort to discourage.

I disagree with you when you say his books are entertaining, I find them to be as dull as dishwater, as well as being filled with woo.

Accumulated Wisdom
3/9/2019 07:37:05 pm

Schoch's "Voyages of the Pyramid Builders" was decent for speculation.
As for Hancock, "Heaven's Mirror" is his only work worth reading.

Machala
3/7/2019 11:57:43 am

As been stated often before, by a multitude of intelligent people..." Graham Hancock is an idiot ! " ( My apologies to all the other idiots out there. )

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The other idiots out there
3/7/2019 12:59:55 pm

Apology accepted.

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Hanslune
3/7/2019 01:01:16 pm

I would agree in part but he is mostly a clever man - and believer - who has made millions writing books targeted AT idiots

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Riley V
3/7/2019 03:32:32 pm

I look forward to the review. I don’t look forward to Hancock’s complaints about your review.

Atlantis reminds me of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Because it is both invisible and pink it is both spiritual and physical.

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Hanslune
3/7/2019 04:50:38 pm

You Heretic!

Pink - I think not - it is definitely orange with a subtle hint of mauve

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Kent
3/7/2019 06:15:39 pm

Fortunately wildfires in California are a thing of the past!
Not being well informed on this topic I went to our mutual friend Wikipedia and it seems like there's a lot of debate on whether an impact happened and if so, where. Or maybe there were multiple impacts. There seems to be no consensus about this relatively new hypothesis(?)

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Accumulated Wisdom
3/7/2019 11:33:51 pm

This debate has evolved over my lifetime. Last, I was aware, the claim was an icesheet impact. I am happy more people are talking about it. When, I brought this up in my second grade school class, Mrs. B. said, "What?...Are you retarded?...Rocks DON'T fall from the sky!"

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Kent
3/8/2019 12:08:09 am

@ Five Books: I could well believe you were in 2nd grade in 2006 when the hypothesis was first published.

"I’m smart. Not like everybody says, like dumb. I’m smart and I want respect!"

- Fredo Corleone

Firestone R, West A, Warwick-Smith S (4 June 2006). The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: How a Stone-Age Comet Changed the Course of World Culture. Bear & Company

Kent
3/8/2019 01:15:49 am

Finding that it was published by Crackpot puts things in a whole new light.

"Inner Traditions – Bear & Company, also known as Inner Traditions, is a book publisher founded by Ehud Sperling in 1975 and based in Rochester, Vermont in the United States.

Inner Traditions publishes books related to New Age spiritualism and esotericism, mysticism, neoshamanism, astrology, the perennial philosophy, visionary art, Earth mysteries, sacred sexuality, alternative medicine, and recordings of ethnic music and accompaniments for meditation.

In 2000, the independent publisher Bear & Company joined with Inner Traditions, moving from Santa Fe, New Mexico, where it had been founded in 1980 by Gerry Clow and astrologer Barbara Hand Clow.

Inner Traditions publishes other imprints, including Findhorn Press, Healing Arts Press, Destiny Books, Park Street Press, Bindu Books, and Bear Cub Books."

They're no Elsevier. You can see a partial list of their authors here and draw your own conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Traditions_%E2%80%93_Bear_%26_Company

Accumulated Wisdom
3/8/2019 02:25:48 am

This was considered "crackpot". Was reading about "speculation" of an asteroid killing the dinosaurs. Some of the Fringe literature of the time, began speculating about an impact event taking out the Mammoth, and Clovis Culture. I know Clovis wasn't a culture, but, it's what people said at the time. This didn't hit the mainstream until later.

Kent
3/8/2019 04:11:25 am

"Some of the Fringe literature of the time, began speculating about an impact event taking out the Mammoth"

Would it be safe to assume that you can't provide any details about where you saw that when you were in 2nd grade because you have read two to five books a day every day for 42 years?

Accumulated Wisdom
3/8/2019 02:24:06 pm

Obviously, I do not recall every book of Woo, or author of the Woo. Seems like every book on UFOs was by, Daniel Cohen. Charles Berlitz wrote about a wide range of Woo. A few of the old "Woo" ideas have since gone mainstream. Giants went from anomalies to somehow proving the validity of Astronomy Cults.

My point was, after the idea of an asteroid killing the dinosaurs came out, people began speculating a similar demise for Mammoth and Clovis. I was privileged to listen to older academics argue. Graham Hancock came along years later claiming, "Humanity has amnesia".

Being under the age of 14, I had to rely upon family, friends, college professors, and college students to check out books for me. I remember what made an impression, and shifts in thought.

David Evans
3/8/2019 02:51:19 pm

I think the concept of mankind's collective amnesia was originated by Immanuel Velikovsky in <i>Worlds in Collision</i> (1950). I remember being quite impressed by it as a teenager, until I learned enough physics to see that what he described was totally impossible.

Accumulated Wisdom
3/8/2019 04:00:42 pm

David Evans,

I am envious. "Worlds In Collision" is one of the books, I have longed to read. I have never even seen a copy. This book has been quoted more often in Woo Literature than the Bibles.

If, I remember correctly, the idea was Venus originated as one of Jupiter's Moons??? Based upon interpretation of mythology???

Also been trying to find a copy of "We Discovered Alien Bases On The Moon". Got to read it once. Would like another opportunity.

David Evans
3/8/2019 04:14:21 pm

There's a free download of Worlds in Collision here
http://www.everythingselectric.com/product/worlds-in-collision-free/
It's been a long while since I read it, but I think this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision
is a good summary of the ideas.

The main objection from astronomers was, and is, that Venus couldn't possibly settle into its present near-circular orbit in the few thousand years allowed. He didn't care - he thought we have got celestial mechanics all wrong and we should believe his interpretation of the myths instead.

Accumulated Wisdom
3/8/2019 04:35:05 pm

David Evans,

Thank you!!! Will be interesting to see how accurate the quotes were.

I prefer a physical book, however,
old books of Woo can be expensive. More often than not, absolutely not worth the asking price.

Kent
3/8/2019 06:59:12 pm

It's vastly entertaining that your first move is to preemptively come up with an excuse Five Books. Can you scrape together ten dollars?

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF-_-home-_-Results&an=Velikovsky&tn=worlds+in+collision&kn=&isbn=

Kent
3/8/2019 09:32:17 pm

@Five Books "Was reading about "speculation" of an asteroid killing the dinosaurs. "

That was first proposed by Alvarez & Alvarez in 1980. So if you're 45 now, THIS would have been when you were in 2nd grade. Keep in mind if you can that The Younger Dryas Hypothesis was first proposed in 2006. Since you've already testified that you forget a lot of stuff this makes more sense than your story.

Accumulated Wisdom
3/8/2019 11:36:53 pm

You are correct. I was in the 2nd Grade. My Grandfather had been diagnosed with cancer, and I was spending a lot of time in hospital waiting rooms, and the Public Library.
I listened to two college professors speculation about asteroids explaining multiple Extinction Events, and setbacks in human learning. When, I mentioned this in class the next day, I was ridiculed as described above.

Just because it wasn't proposed in the mainstream, doesn't mean folks weren't speculating long before.

You ask more questions than a first date.

Kent
3/9/2019 01:47:24 am

I ask very few questions. I simply point out your unbelievable accounts of things and try to line them up with the chronology of actual events. Not to mention your bizarre approach to enhancing images using telephones. Your posts on Wolter's blog are a treasure trove of non-sense I choose not to write about here.

"You ask more questions than a first date." Okay, you've read at least one book: A Child's Garden of First Dates.

Two to five books a day every day for forty-two years? Go on, pull the other one.

Accumulated Wisdom
3/9/2019 08:02:33 pm

First, not all books are "War and Peace". It's not difficult to read multiple books of 160 pages, or less in a day. Second, when you're taller than 99% of most adults at age 6, one tends to stay away from the public. Reading was my escape, and the only way to learn outside the classroom.
Third, this happened during the time my world was collapsing around me. Deep down, I am an 8 year old boy stuck at his Grandfather's funeral. I was grateful that men who knew my Grandfather, took the time to educate me. After 38 years, I may have some details jumbled.

Kent
3/9/2019 08:29:05 pm

You're piling things-that-are-hard-to-believe on top of things-that-are-hard-to-believe. So you were 5 feet tall at age 6? Sounds like a lie to me.

"99% of most adults" means 99% of 51% of adults.

Doc Rock
3/9/2019 09:30:20 pm

I

Doc Rock
3/9/2019 09:38:43 pm

I think that there have been five year olds as tall as 5'7" reported recently and an 8 year old well in excess of six feet. Might have been the same kid.

I could blow thru 3 Louis L'amour novels in a day when I was 12. When I am in full-blown archival research mode I can double or triple that with much larger books.

So, I don't know If I would be too quick to use the L-word in terms of AW's claims.



Kent
3/10/2019 05:04:44 am

Oh, certainly possible, but do the Venn Diagram of "super-tall at age 6 & reads 2 to 5 books a day every day for 42 years". Keep in mind that the claim starts at age 3.

I'm very confident about calling Anthony Warren a liar. It's okay.

Your Grandfather's Victim
3/10/2019 05:56:15 am

If your grandfather is who I think he was he raped me.

Doc Rock
3/10/2019 04:34:22 pm

Kent,

Oh, I understand your skepticism. But in a world of 6 billion people, or however many, you would probably be surprised at how many three year olds there are who are very tall for their age and read multiple books a day. Probably kids who are like that and also speak multiple languages and can do college level algebra, and play a decent piano.

Accumulated Wisdom
3/10/2019 05:14:23 pm

Been cooking for myself since the age of 6. I was tall enough to reach the stove. Speaking multiple languages, yes. Writing...No.
Bonjour, Buenos dias, Guten Tag, Me how, Dietzen dobri, Good day Y'all.

Doc,

Yi ding hao!

Kent, dan,

No bueno!

Accumulated Wisdom
3/10/2019 05:19:41 pm

"Mi hao"

Was speaking to the phone at the time.

Kent
3/10/2019 08:59:42 pm

看起來好像你抬起幾句話然後拼錯了。他媽的你媽媽。

Hanslune
3/8/2019 12:15:10 am

Yeah I remember the book - still have it in fact - the color photos in the middle fell out! I also remember the problems with Allen West and the back and forth since then on the value and interpretation of the evidence.

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Hanslune
3/8/2019 04:17:04 pm

http://www.everythingselectric.com/product/worlds-in-collision-free/

This link will get you a free copy of Worlds in Collision in exchange for your email address.

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Accumulated Wisdom
3/9/2019 03:15:15 pm

Free Woo in exchange for headache of spam?

That's not a good trade.

Thank you, though!

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E.P. Grondine
3/9/2019 11:12:22 am

Well, Jason -

As the cosmologists at NASA continue to sling shit in a callous attempt to hold on to "their" money, which is really ours, here's the hard facts on the Holocene Start Impact Events:

https://youtu.be/TbM4vHcRyz0

There is nothing "sceptical" about it, it is simple greed interfering with the normal scientific process.

If those assholes are allowed to continue going along their greedy way, we'll get as much warning of the next impact as the Russians did at Chelyabinsk.




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David Evans
3/9/2019 01:00:39 pm

Point 1: cosmologists do not concern themselves with cometary impacts. That you think they do suggests a certain ignorance

Point 2. Admitting the Holocene impact would do precisely nothing towards predicting the next one.

Point 3. You know what we are doing about the next impact? We are looking for anything that might be a danger, tracking its orbit and researching and testing ways to deflect it. And by "We" I mean NASA, ESA and the worldwide astronomical community. Not all of whom are paid by "your" money.

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E.P.. Grondine
3/11/2019 12:34:48 pm

Hi David -

1) Yes, cosmologists do not concern themselves with cometary impacts.

What you do not know about impact events fills several books, none of which were authored by Mr. Hancock.

2) It would probably help if NASA admitted that comets have hit the Earth.

3) Yes, I know this field very well. All ofd the players.

After the next piece of shit from space hits the Earth, there will be an investigation of what NASA did wrong. This investigation will not be like that of Challenger, nor Columbia, it will also be Congressional and MAJOR. Those investigators will have a nice paper trail to follow, and I hope I have made their task easier.


David Evans
3/11/2019 01:04:13 pm

E. P. Grondine:

1) You have no idea how much I know about impact events. I have read the books by Victor Clube and Bill Napier, and by Mike Baillie, and have done a fair amount of other research.

2) If NASA knew the precise details of some previous cometary impact, how would that help predict the next one? They have very precise details of the Chelyabinsk event and of Shoemaker-Levy 9 impacting Jupiter. That is no help at all towards predicting the next impact. Even if we knew that the Holocene impact was created by the breakup of some larger body, that wouldn't help, because the details of such a breakup are unpredictable (see Shoemaker-Levy 9 again).

As for your last paragraph, I compliment you on the quality of your crystal ball.

Accumulated Wisdom
3/11/2019 04:26:34 pm

When the next "POS" hits the Earth, I think it will be like the past. After the impact, Natural Selection will occur for a period of time. People will come together in small groups for common defense. Eventually, the elite groups will emerge from underground cities, and mountain bunkers. Whomever, holds the keys to the International Seed Bank, will have absolute power. Unless, you think these underground complexes, and Mountain bunkers were truly built for nuclear fallout.

We only know about Mount Weather because it's obsolete.

David Evans
3/11/2019 05:02:28 pm

Accumulated wisdom, how far in the future do you think the next big impact will be? Because from the way NASA is already tracking asteroids I think it's unlikely to be in the next 100 years. And I don't see any evidence of a controlling elite that thinks that far ahead. If there were one, it would have done something about climate change before now.

Accumulated Wisdom
3/11/2019 09:48:48 pm

Aren't we supposed to worry about 2027? Has something changed I'm unaware of?

Mike Ballie was mentioned. Is he the author of "Exodus to Arthur"? Am I, confusing him with someone else?

David Evans
3/12/2019 06:13:09 am

The only 2027 impact I can find is a hypothetical scenario (i.e. not real) from NASA. It says EXERCISE in red on every page so people won't get confused
https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/pd/cs/pdc19/

Yes, it's the same Mike Baillie. I was impressed by Exodus to Arthur when it came out, I don't know how well it holds up now.

E.P. Grondine
3/13/2019 03:19:51 pm

David:

I am pretty familiar with half baked semi-educated assholes trying to pass themselves off as experts on asteroid and comet impact, as I have run into many of them over the years.

If the past is any indication, we now have a fragmenting comet in the inner solar system.

Be sure to ask NASA for thei Hubble infra-red images of its pieces.

Accumulated Wisdom
3/13/2019 07:51:49 pm

I am unsure how well "Exodus to Arthur" holds up. The date given for the Thera Event of 1637BCE plus, or minus 5 years seems to hold true.

I am no expert on impact events, however, I have been contemplating them for 38 years. I even witnessed an airburst in 1998. Good thing it wasn't like Tunguska.

With the exception of an International Seed Bank, I have come to believe, the idea of continuity-of-government is an old one.

Kent
3/9/2019 07:17:24 pm

I know this is not my website but I'm not comfortable with that sort of language.

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Bob
3/10/2019 05:17:54 pm

Kent, you sound like a faggot.

Jim
3/9/2019 08:23:26 pm

Don't mind E.P. , he got hit on the head with an apple.

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