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Graham Hancock to Archaeologists: "You Guys Are the Pseudoscientists"

4/3/2019

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​With the publication of America Before this week, Graham Hancock has launched a major publicity push, larger than the one accompanying Magicians of the Gods four years ago and rivaling his media ubiquity in the late 1990s. According to his U.S. publisher, St. Martin’s, the American part of his marketing campaign will include an initial print run of 125,000 copies, a fourteen-city national book tour, a national media tour, a marketing campaign aimed at scholars and college instructors (!), a featured-title selection at TheHistoryReader.com, and “extensive history blog outreach.” They even offer mail-in prizes, giving early buyers an enamel lapel pin of the book’s logo. No mainstream archaeology title that I have received press materials for has had a similar rollout. 
​As part of the British leg of the rollout, Hancock gave a lengthy interview to London Real in which he expressed his belief that the story of the human past is guarded by doyens of dogma who, for obscure reasons, refuse to recognize the existence of a lost civilization in the Ice Age. 
​In particular, he describes how his joint appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience with Michael Shermer, which descended into acrimony, reshaped his approach to ancient history and made him an angrier, more strident advocate of alternative history:
I began to realize how ideological this all is. […] It’s helped me to understand that there is an ideological war over our past. […] The mainstream, for some reason in this [ideological war], doesn’t like cataclysms. It doesn’t like cataclysmic events. It doesn’t want to think that cataclysms have played a role in the human story. So seeking for a way to explain the disappearance of the megafauna, the natural option for a mainstream archaeologist is to say “oh that was human predation that did it” […] and suddenly we’re required to picture a group of hunter-gatherers who are so incredibly efficient, and so ruthless, that they wipe out the entire megafauna of North America in a matter of months. So, there’s a tendency in the study of prehistory to want to keep the past kind of nice and calm, and just the way it is now. There’s even a word for it, it’s called ‘uniformitarianism’ […] and it’s a doctrine.
​There are so many mixed up ideas in this passage that it’s hard to know where to begin. Uniformitarianism is a geological principle, for one thing. But a review of standard accounts of Earth’s history shows that for several decades the consensus has been that uniformitarianism is a general principle punctuated by extreme catastrophes, such as the space rock that killed the dinosaurs. The problem, of course, is that there is no definitive evidence for a cosmic catastrophe during recent human history. It is for that reason—not a refusal to believe catastrophes happen—that archaeologists don’t believe a comet took out the megafauna.
 
Hancock’s claim that we are “required” to image Paleoindians massacring every animal in “months” is a rather ridiculous imaginary version of the various hypotheses put forward to explain the extinction of the mammoths. There is currently no agreed-upon consensus, much less a required dogma. Even those hypotheses (heavily disputed) that put it down to human intervention expect that the effects of human predation played out over generations, not months.
 
To that end, consider Hancock’s misrepresentation of the Clovis-First hypothesis, which emerged in the 1960s and remained the scholarly consensus down to 1997, when a blue-ribbon panel verified the first pre-Clovis site in the Americas, Monte Verde in Chile. Since then, as more evidence has come to light, the consensus conclusions—which were always based on the known evidence—have changed as well. For Hancock, however, he sees dogmatic priests of science imposing an ideology in opposition to all the possible conclusions that an absence of evidence allows imagination to conceive: 
The position of archaeology for 50 years is “those were the first human beings to enter the Americas, no human beings entered the Americas before 13,600 years ago.” And those are the same archaeologists who repeatedly called me a pseudoscientist, or a pseudoarchaeologist, for suggesting other possibilities. […] All archaeologists admit this now, that Clovis-First was a mistake, they got it wrong, completely wrong. […] but what they don’t comment on is the careers that were ruined as a result. […] So when archaeologists of that type say “Hancock is a pseudoscientist,” I say “Hang on a minute, you guys are the pseudoscientists. You guys sold us Clovis-First for 50 years. You guys withdrew funding from research that might have exposed that lie earlier. […] You wouldn’t let it happen.” And that’s not right, it shouldn’t be that way. Archaeologists should not take the view that they have got a firm and fixed picture of the past. Because actually we know so little about the past. They should always be saying “this is our provisional position, but we are open to other possibilities.” Because if they don’t say that, those other possibilities are going to come along and kick them in the ass pretty soon.
​As you can see, Hancock has difficulty understanding that conclusions derive from evidence, not from possibilities. Clovis-First was the logical position based on what was known at the time, and it gave way when new evidence emerged. The process wasn’t neat and wasn’t clean (though much more orderly than, say, the battle over Piltdown Man), but that is true of major changes in almost any discipline.
 
I’m still waiting to get my orders from Dogma Central. As best I can tell, I have yet to see two archaeologists actually agree completely on an interpretation, let alone conclude that we have a “fixed” picture of ancient history.
 
 I think it’s telling, however, that Hancock sees describing what we know about the past as taking a “position,” as though it were a political act.
 
Finally, Hancock actually describes what he thinks the “lost civilization” was like, and it shouldn’t surprise anyone that he sees it as essentially Europe of the imperial age! I mean, of course he does:
I think we’re talking about a civilization – more than 12,000 years ago – which was as advanced as our civilization was, say in the late 18th century or early 19th century. In other words, they could navigate the world, they could explore the world, they could measure the world accurately, they had precise astronomy, they could create beautiful maps that were accurate in terms of latitude and longitude. That kind of level of civilization.
​Victorians from Atlantis. Well, maybe the Regency in Atlantis, but let’s spot him a few years. No three words could better sum up the entire genre of alternative history. 
67 Comments
Doc Rock
4/3/2019 09:01:36 am

Almost 30 years ago I sat in an audience consisting entirely of faculty and grad students from the anthropology department of a major university as well as staff from the state archaeology office and listened as Tom Dillehay gave a well received presentation on his work at Monte Verde.

In the course of taking archaeology coursework during the 80s at two other large anthropology departments I never heard a single soul espouse Clovis as the last word on human settlement of the western hemisphere. I have no doubt that there were some harsh critics of initial pre-Clovis findings but that is not proof of a consensus in archaeology or of a conspiracy to suppress this type of work.

The 1997 blue ribbon panel simply affirmed a growing body of evidence that had been receiving serious consideration in many quarters over the previous 20 years.

Hancock and his supporters have a complete disconnect with reality when it comes to this issue.

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E.P. Grondine
4/8/2019 12:55:57 pm

Well Doc, I actually had the misfortune to run into the remains of the Clovis Firsters. But then for the last 10 years or so I have also run into various idiots who lectures me on asteroid and comet impacts. The way I see it, about 10 years from now they'll have managed to figure it out.

So you are going to have to excuse me if I simply point out their idiocy and have some fun in the meanwhile. They way I look at it, stupidity deserves to be rewarded.

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Kent
4/8/2019 05:23:17 pm

I have also run into various idiots who lectures me on asteroid and comet impacts. The way I see it, about 10 years from now they'll be feeding worms.

No doubt you're familiar with the Tanis site?

E.P. Grondine
4/9/2019 01:52:49 pm

Hi Kent

I do not care if they are feeding worms or not. Their personal fates are of no importance.

I am not intimately familiar with he Tanis site. I assume it is in Egypt.

Kent
4/9/2019 01:59:54 pm

Right over your head.

Poodle Shooter
4/9/2019 04:36:46 pm

"I am not intimately familiar with he Tanis site. I assume it is in Egypt."

So, you've never heard of it, don't know what continent it's on, but you're just "not intimately" familiar with it?

Watch out for wormsign is all I can say.

E.P. Grondine
4/11/2019 03:46:37 pm

OK Bozos -

I am intimately familiar with Manfred Bietak's excavations.
Now WTF are you the two of you going on about?

Poodle Shooter
4/11/2019 04:15:07 pm

Tough talk for someone who initially said "not intimately familiar" and "I assume". Maybe you should contact a researcher and get some advice on what your next step should be.

Will the Thrill
4/3/2019 10:25:01 am

An advanced civilization about twelve thousand years ago in the Americas which existed but managed somehow to vanish without leaving any physical evidence. No ruins of cities, no graves, no tools, no anything. How did they vanish, wiped completely off the face of the earth by an asteroid (which somehow managed to hit the earth not leaving a crater, or paleoindians who wiped them out leaving no traces in their histories. Graham Hancock needs to return to days of old when he was a drug addled flower child. His world was more simple then.

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Thomas Y.
4/6/2019 07:49:12 pm

Are you thick? The crater was found last year.

www.astronomy.com/news/2018/11/massive-impact-crater-beneath-greenland-could-explain-ice-age-climate-swing

Try to pretend to be informed before dismissing facts in the name of your pet worldview, m8.

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Kent
4/6/2019 08:06:51 pm

From the link you provided:
"Right now, the researchers can only confidently say it’s between 3 million and 12,000 years old"

It's funny that your advice is "pretend to be informed".

THOMAS Y.
4/7/2019 01:32:35 am

That means Graham Hancock is right. Deal with it "skeptic".

Kent
4/7/2019 08:02:58 am

He's right when he says a 3 million year old impact event caused climate change 12,000 years ago?

"Pretend to be informed."

Bill Birkeland
4/7/2019 11:05:48 am

It was stated;

"Are you thick? The crater was found last year."

Also, if you read the published papers, the charcoal that is
associated with sediments washing out of this this crater all
yielded C14 dates greater than 50,000 years. This implies
the crater is beyond the range of C14 dating and more than
tens of thousands of years older than the Younger Dryas.

The Cerutti Mastodon Site is also in trouble, go see:

Ferrell, P.M., 2019. The Cerutti Mastodon Site Reinterpreted with Reference to Freeway Construction Plans and Methods. PaleoAmerica, pp.1-7.

Also, the imaginary Saginaw Bay, Michigan, pseudo-crater
is about to be discredited. Already publications exist that
show that Saginaw Bay existed a couple thousand years
before the start of the Younger Dryas. But supporters of it
as the / a Younger Dryas impact have overlooked such facts.

For example, go see:

Connallon, C.B. and Schaetzl, R.J., 2017. Geomorphology of
the Chippewa River delta of Glacial Lake Saginaw, central
Lower Michigan, USA. Geomorphology, 290, pp.128-141.

Luehmann, M.D., 2015. Relict Pleistocene deltas in the
Lower Peninsula of Michigan. Michigan State University.
Geography.

cladking
4/3/2019 11:00:03 am

There's a simpler reasons that the status quo is defended; the entire world is based on the ideas that came before. The concept that there can have been no cataclysm and no advanced civilization is fundamental to the idea that our ancestors were sun addled bumpkins but we're all better now. That we are all better now is fundamental to our entire economy and society that rewards destruction and waste and punishes conservation and innovation.

Anthropology is wrong and is mostly an old boys club that divvies up funding among its members and then meets to vote on their accepted version of reality.

The concept that superstition underlies human progress is even more absurd than that beavers, bees, and termites operate and progress on belief and superstition. Yet this is the nonsense generated by the "sciences" since the time of Petrie who is, no doubt. spinning in his grave at the lack of the scientific process in the study of ancient humans and their artefacts.

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Kent
4/3/2019 11:30:33 am

In what way, in what particular matters is anthropology wrong?

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cladking
4/3/2019 02:05:54 pm

Across the board they are wrong. They make numerous assumptions about the nature of modern humans that are incorrect and then they ascribe these incorrect assumptions to ancient people. They assume ancient people thought like anthropologists but this is in error. Ancient people were nothing like we are. This means every single conclusion they've drawn is wrong or is at best right in a left handed sort of way. Since they are so wrong it opens up the possibility that Hancock and alternative theorists are at least partially correct.

Belief and superstition would have been bred out of the human race had it ever existed, but that;'s a small matter since no evidence exists that they were superstitious beyond anthropology's circular conclusions.

Kent
4/3/2019 02:13:18 pm

"They're wrong about everything and I know better."
Sounds like you don't sweat the details.

Adwight
4/4/2019 10:41:25 pm

> Across the board they are wrong. They make numerous assumptions about the nature of modern humans that are incorrect and then they ascribe these incorrect assumptions to ancient people.

You haven't listed any.

>They assume ancient people thought like anthropologists but this is in error. Ancient people were nothing like we are.

Tell us more on how ancients didn't have warfare or otherwise organized violence, pillaging, worship, etc.

>This means every single conclusion they've drawn is wrong or is at best right in a left handed sort of way. Since they are so wrong it opens up the possibility that Hancock and alternative theorists are at least partially correct.

You haven't shown us where the ancients went and how come they stopped doing what they were.

V
4/5/2019 01:07:12 am

"Belief and superstition would have been bred out of the human race had it ever existed, but that;'s a small matter since no evidence exists that they were superstitious beyond anthropology's circular conclusions."

....so the fact that we literally actually have entire documents of beliefs and superstitions somehow means that they never existed. Right. The clear and present imagery and artistry and technique in pre-writing artworks also indicate a complete lack of beliefs and superstition. Yup, sure.

I'm sorry, but I'm not taking the word of someone who is clearly completely and entirely ignorant of EVERYTHING in the world on any subject. I'm afraid I'd have to verify with at least six other people to believe you if you said the sun would come up from the east tomorrow, your reliability is so goddamn low. You are literally an example of the exact thing that you claim doesn't exist: you BELIEVE, in the complete absence of proof, that you are right, and your mind cannot be changed despite MASSIVE evidence that you are wrong. So which of your parents was "defective," if this is something that can be "bred out" of humanity?

Hanslune
4/7/2019 10:40:13 am

Ah Cladking has shown up

For those who have not met this esteemed gentleman before let me introduce him:

For about 13 years he has dumped about 50,000 posts on various websites that support these 'ideas' and I paraphrase.

I don't link you to his papers, books, website or explanatory blogs - there aren't any all he does is just posts his ideas in long boring forum posts.

He believes:

That he and only he can really read ancient Egyptian - as long as someone else translates it into English first - he has come up with all kinds of ridiculous meanings for the Pyramid texts - he also refuses to provide any research to support his ideas.

He holds that the ancient Egyptians were a different species from HSS.

He holds that the great pyramid was design to can food....

That the ancient Egyptians had no religion

That the ancient Egyptians had a weird language that only he understands

That they used CO2 geysers to build the pyramids

...well I will stop there. I think you get the idea....I won't mention some of the really 'odd' stuff....

Riley V
4/3/2019 01:58:53 pm

No offense intended, but do you Science?

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Kent
4/3/2019 02:02:35 pm

I like to think so but I suppose so does everyone.

Riley V
4/3/2019 08:56:29 pm

I hate this comment system. My question was supposed to be for Cladking. More like Sofaking in my view.

I have no beef with you Kent.

Oh mighty King Colavito,

Please deliver us to Disqus.

Kent
4/3/2019 09:21:57 pm

No beef, no problem. You might try refreshing the page before you reply so you can see the up to date version of what's currently there.

Doc Rock
4/3/2019 02:03:11 pm

Darn, 30+ years in anthropology and I never got my good old boys card or got asked to vote. On the other hand I did frequently serve as a peer reviewer for a lot of book manuscripts, article manuscripts, and grant proposals. Gave thumbs up to a lot of stuff that I didn't necessarily agree with but thought was well researched and presented challenging new ideas. Hell, I once gave thumbs up to a book manuscript that took some pretty hard shots at me!

Long after all of us is gone the fringe crowd is still going to be trying to play the anthropology is a close-minded good old boys (forgetting all the good old girls) club because of Clovis or some other instance of anthropologists adhering to a model until good research dictated otherwise.

I say it again, a complete disconnect with reality.

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cladking
4/3/2019 02:15:22 pm

I don't mean to tar all individuals with the same brush and I have far less trouble with anthropologists than Egyptologists. Unfortunately Egyptological opinion weighs heavily on anthropology. Anthropologists are working at a severe disadvantage since they lack the extensive evidence that exists after ~3200 BC as writing. Anthropologists don't turn their back on or a blind eye to what they are studying.

But the assumptions are still wrong. Human progress is not linear and ancient people were not like us. For all practical purposes they were an entirely different species. There were "advanced" civilizations which we simply can't see because we see only our beliefs and models.

Kent
4/3/2019 02:46:54 pm

"They're wrong about everything and I know better."
Sounds like you don't sweat the details.
Sam Petry

Doc Rock
4/3/2019 02:51:16 pm

Well, I am a far cry from being an Egyptologist, although I was (really) the only kid on the block with a copy of the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

I think if you read some of the fringe stuff written about Egypt but then balance it out with some in-depth reading of work by people like Mark Lehner you might start to suspect that the stories about 10,000 year old weathering on the Sphinx have far, far less substance to them than the work produced by actual experts in Egyptology. Ditto for just about every other shot taken at Egyptology. But I will leave that little debate to others.

MrAchilles
4/4/2019 03:35:00 am

@ Cladking And where is the evidence of this lost civilization?

V
4/5/2019 01:19:20 am

"But the assumptions are still wrong. Human progress is not linear and ancient people were not like us. For all practical purposes they were an entirely different species. There were "advanced" civilizations which we simply can't see because we see only our beliefs and models."

So, like...have you ever actually READ an anthropology book or paper that's dated anywhere past 1898? Because my HIGH SCHOOL TEXTBOOKS, in the early 1990s, were very clear in saying that progress was never linear and that civilizations rose and fell and quite a lot of things were lost when any given civilization fell that might or might not be re-invented later.

They were also very clear that "technology" does not make a different species. BREEDING makes a different species, and we are still H. sap. And pretty much they WERE "just like us" in their motivations and their ability to think and plan, and the way their minds overall worked. It was solely what they knew and learned that was different. They still classified information, created schema, and were gloriously wrong about any number of things.

You're really no different from the people who thought that going faster than 25 miles an hour on a train would turn the human body inside out, for example, or, you know, Aristotle, who thought that something fired from a catapult kept moving because of disturbances in the air, rather than, you know, kinetic energy. You are gloriously, gloriously wrong, but with less excuse, since Aristotle didn't have the tools we do now, and the people who thought going faster than 25 miles an hour had never been on a train before. YOU are wrong because you haven't bothered to read what you're criticizing; THEY were wrong because there wasn't anything to teach them better yet.

I don't understand this DRIVE to insist that "ancient people were totally different from us." Is this your personal need to feel superior, or your personal hatred for your fellow man? Either way, please seek counseling. You need help.

Adwight
4/4/2019 10:38:27 pm

>The concept that there can have been no cataclysm and no advanced civilization is fundamental to the idea that our ancestors were sun addled bumpkins but we're all better now.

We know that the universe wasn't made by a magical man in the sky and that slicing a chicken or goat does not help with your crops.

> That we are all better now is fundamental to our entire economy and society that rewards destruction and waste and punishes conservation and innovation.

Repeat After Me: The Noble Savage never existed and humans were selfish, vicious, and warring then as they do now (but are nicer about it).

> Anthropology is wrong and is mostly an old boys club that divvies up funding among its members and then meets to vote on their accepted version of reality.

Who are you and what are your qualifications.

> The concept that superstition underlies human progress is even more absurd than that beavers, bees, and termites operate and progress on belief and superstition. Yet this is the nonsense generated by the "sciences" since the time of Petrie who is, no doubt. spinning in his grave at the lack of the scientific process in the study of ancient humans and their artefacts.

You're barbarian religion is just that, a barbarian religion.

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Finn
4/5/2019 01:50:50 am

"Anthropology is wrong and is mostly an old boys club that divvies up funding among its members and then meets to vote on their accepted version of reality. "

Is this just after that meeting where the world's palaeontologists all get together and discuss how to keep the lie of evolution going, spending millions to do so (and yet palaeo is one of the least funded sciences)? Or does it clash with that meeting of the world's zoologists to keep the truth about Bigfoot from getting out, in order to keep the logging industry from being slowed down by green tape?

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Tony
4/6/2019 10:23:04 am

"Since they are so wrong it opens up the possibility that Hancock and alternative theorists are at least partially correct."

No, no, no, no, no. Even if everything about modern thoughts on anthropology are demonstrated to be incorrect, that does not mean what is proposed by Hancock, Bauval, Andrew Collins etc al therefore is just as likely. Hancock has not read anything Egyptological within the last 30 years, everything he states dates back to the Petrie era, who began excavating in Giza in 1880. If Hancock actually read some current Egyptology his outlook would be different.

Or maybe he has read it, and just ignores it as he has product to shift. After all, he is "just a reporter"....a reporter that sits in the lap of the fields that he criticises and spits in their eye, happy to repeat his lazy, tired, racist views to the cult that follows him.

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Kent
4/6/2019 08:16:57 pm

"If Hancock actually read some current Egyptology his outlook would be different."

Wrong, I think.

Accumulated Wisdom
4/3/2019 11:02:48 am

"they could navigate the world, they could explore the world, they could measure the world accurately, they had precise astronomy, they could create beautiful maps that were accurate in terms of latitude and longitude."

Navigate, explore, measure the world accurately, precise astronomy, beautiful maps, latitude, longitude...ALL of which is dependent upon precise astronomy. If you know the solstices, you can calculate latitude. If you know how to predict an eclipse, or Transit... You can calculate longitude. There are some pretty amazing things one can do by studying the stars, using two sticks, knotted string, and a rock.

Civilization seems to have only occurred when someone started herding humans.

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Kent
4/3/2019 11:28:12 am

Remember when you asked what your religion was?

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That's It
4/3/2019 11:38:08 am

Pseudoscience is a religion yet nobody mocks the regular mainstream classical religions like judeo-christianity - yet they are 100% the same sort of pseudo-junk.

Kent
4/3/2019 01:36:35 pm

So you're that guy who never heard of George Carlin or Christopher Hitchens or the Flying Spaghetti Monster??

V
4/5/2019 01:22:07 am

"Pseudoscience is a religion yet nobody mocks the regular mainstream classical religions like judeo-christianity - yet they are 100% the same sort of pseudo-junk."

...you don't get out much, do you? Because even people OF THOSE RELIGIONS sometimes mock their own religions. Just gonna say.

Well
4/3/2019 11:08:24 am

There is the issue of mainstream historians pushing the authenticity of "Annals" by Tacitus - despite the fact it was not mentioned before the 15th century - and it only exists in fragments - fragments are the ideal method of forgery

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Jean Stone
4/3/2019 06:31:32 pm

Fragments discovered independently, in different locations, not penned by a single hand.

Also, Boccaccio's writing provides evidence that the Annals were known BEFORE the fifteenth century, since he drew from one of them.

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Titus pullo
4/3/2019 09:37:01 pm

DMT baby!

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Etaoinshrdlu
4/3/2019 09:48:52 pm

According to Mountain Girl the Grateful did a lot of DMT while recording their first album.

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cladking
4/5/2019 10:59:48 am

> @ Cladking And where is the evidence of this lost civilization?

We might or might not be able to detract from Mr Colavito's well written article but this is not my blog and it would be inappropriate in my opinion to try to continue the discussion here.

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Kent
4/5/2019 02:30:01 pm

So you've got nothing.

"Across the board they are wrong."

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Hanslune
4/7/2019 10:51:45 am

Oh Cladking has tons, buckets full, its just not evidence.

He is a unwitting friend of agnotologicalism.

http://www.popforum.space/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=188851&hilit=cladking&start=40

""It's a most fascinating work. There's no profundity in it other than the insights it can give but it is nothing like any other writing in existence. But Egyptologists don't care. They don't care that I'm the world's leading expert on the literal meaning of this work and they don't care what it says if you solve the words like a calculus problem. They just don't care and they still call themselves "linguists".""

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/ancient-reality.206771/page-4

""They were mostly infrastructure and used for food processing and canning. They also had industrial purposes.""

ETC., Etc., and etc.

Kent
4/8/2019 02:39:30 pm

Do we have any evidence of carbonated aquifer powered municipal bidets in Egypt? I'd think you'd start with that rather than an enormous stone cannery. What is Egyptian for "Ahhh!" at the end of a long sweaty day building the cannery?

On another topic, what do we know about Egyptian screw technology? Did they have screw top lids for their canned goods?

Hanslune
4/9/2019 10:27:05 am

Howdy Kent

On cannery stuff.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/opSCjO4.jpg[/img]

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/ancient-reality.206771/page-4

""They were mostly infrastructure and used for food processing and canning. They also had industrial purposes.
The Great Pyramid itself is a time capsule.""

Yeah he took some heat for that comment but then....

Kent
4/9/2019 10:50:47 am

The insanity, and I know you're merely relaying it, is stupendous. Even with the seltzer geysers, all that work to build the world's most-unsuitable-for-canning-cannery.

The unasked question is "What was the need for canned food in Egypt?" It's not like they had winter. We know they had bread and beer so they had wheat or the equivalent, and fishing would have been an option. But since humans were a different species then, maybe vegetables were different too? And with their advanced knowledge sun-drying never occurred to them? Is there a word for insanity and stupidity in a reciprocal feeding cycle?

Hanslune
4/9/2019 11:43:30 am

Salute the crazy!

About a year and a half ago I did an in depth study of his writing.

I'm a part time writer of historical fiction - and I collected a large amount of material to use in a future book. It's hard to write 'crazy' when the person doesn't obviously act like a loon - its subtle - very much so. I was able to see a steady decrease in his ability to handle the full rejection of his ideas and his slide into 'fantasy'.

Anyway a character based on that and set in 1840's England will convince people he can 'really' read ancient Egyptian which will end up with an expedition going to the wilds of Egypt propelled by his 'translations'.



Kent
4/9/2019 03:45:11 pm

As a side topic until the next time Jason reminds us of his forthcoming review of Graham Hancock's book, let's review the parallel insanity of Cladking and Anthony "Accumulated Wisdom" Warren.

CK: the only one who can read Egyptian except he can't. Ran thousands of Google searches through his mental model.
AAWW: relies on books he cannot remember.

CK: thinks he knows everything about Egyptians.
AAWW: thinks he knows everything about everything.

CK: says stupid stuff like "Knowing all this I also knew that this "Mafdet Lynx" would get warm in the summer and cold in the winter".
AAWW: says stupid stuff like "zealots" stripped him of his email account.

CK: doesn't understand science, "If Egyptologists cared how the pyramids were built they'd have done infrared imaging a century ago."
AAWW: doesn't understand science, see anything he has written.

CK: posts unending stream of nonsense.
AAWW: posts unending stream of nonsense.

Kent
4/9/2019 06:32:42 pm

It occurs to me that another characteristic of the fringe is to say something serves as something for which it is obviously not designed.

The Great Pyramid is the world's most expensive and stupid cannery.
The KRS is a "land claim" but apparently Cistercian monks didn't know Latin.
The Newport Tower is a smokehouse AND a dormitory, because that's what a smokehouse looks like and smokehouses make perfect dormitories.

Answer key:

Cladking
S. Wolter
Anthony Warren

Kent
4/7/2019 01:26:10 pm

"[T]this is not my blog and it would be inappropriate in my opinion to try to continue the discussion here."

"Re: How pyramid builders thought pyramids were built.
Postby linford86 on March 22nd, 2011, 11:34 am

Cladking, this is a forum, not your personal blog. Please refrain from posting multiple times when no one is responding to you.

Thank you for your cooperation."

"2110c. Thy fame is by day; thy fear is by night, as a god, lord of fear.

This one is a perfect fit. It says that CO2 is not enveloped by the earth (during the eruption) and that CO2 is a subject of learned discussion by day (when the wind blows) and a source of fear by night (when the wind slows by cooloing the CO2 will puddle in low areas and reach fatal concentrations)"

That's not how gases in the atmosphere work. And it's spelled "Coolioing".

"Author: cladking [ Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:05 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Hey cladking! They found the ramp!
...
This is the thing experts hate most about this theory and they studiously avoid any recognition of it; I'm just a layman and I invented the whole theory from facts and logic. It affects every subject studied by man and I have no training in anything.

Of course it was easy for me because everything is easy. If rocket surgery or brain science was difficult no one could do it. It's all broken down into manageable bits that a child could understand. Well, not me but some children.

I stumbled on it and there are many good reasons it was me instead of anyone else. I just tripped at the right time in the right place. I solved word meanings in Ancient Language in context while simultaneously reverse engineering the great pyramids. Anybody could have done it but my training and (mostly) my lack of training made it possible to achieve, and in tandem with countless thousands of google searches. It could never have been done without search engines. I doubt it could even be done today since google sucks big time now. There was a brief window."

With his decoding what he calls Ancient Language he has surpassed Zecharia Sitchen and Barry Fell put together. His genius rivals that of Miles Mathis.

He believes the Pyramids were built by using geysers of seltzer water to fill enormous buckets which acted as counterweights to lift the enormous stones by means of ropes.

Almost too good to be true but as Hanslune pointed out it's been going on for years. A normal person playing a prank would have moved on by now.

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Hanslune
4/7/2019 03:41:44 pm

In the early years he asked lots of question and was polite, honest, did research and answered questions. Around 2009-2011 he tried to 'prove' his geyser funicular system and was ripped to pieces. At that point he began to attack 'Egyptologists' full time and began to make stuff up, refused to answer questions and made up nonsense and would ignore all evidence against his own beliefs. Knowing he couldn't prove anything he went instead with relentless never ending repetition, repeating hundreds of times the same claims on multiple websites while demanding his opinion be treated like evidence.

In the present world he is a laughing stock and made a decision around 2012-2013 to never provide research as such would then be taken to pieces - thereby making sure Egyptology would never take him seriously. He also started to claim he had made all kinds of predictions and that Egyptology existed only to resist him. He thinks 'sometime' is located in the NE corner of G1 that will change the world and he knows how to open the door to it - but declines to do so....

He now goes around pretending to be a 'scientist' who doesn't follow the scientific method......yeah

Infinite.Magnetic
4/7/2019 10:58:58 am

Dr. Jordan K. Petersen has expressed that if he had it "his way", he'd would disband anthropology (humanities) departments at universities and colleges.

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Infinite.Magnetic
4/7/2019 11:00:19 am

Why would he say such a thing?!

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Homer Sextown
4/7/2019 11:45:15 am

Jordan "K." Petersen?

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John
4/7/2019 07:47:32 pm

I’m pretty sure that Peterson’s problem with anthropology is postmodernism. The importance of Michel Foucault in anthropological theory has nothing to do with archaeology in practice.

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Homer Sextown
4/7/2019 07:54:32 pm

"Peterson"?

John
4/10/2019 09:02:18 pm

Yes. Peterson.
https://www.jordanbpeterson.com

Infinite.Magnetic
4/7/2019 09:34:19 pm

Correction: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

You're absolutely correct about his stance on post-modernism. But isn't archeology considered part of "humanity studies" at most universities?

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Homer Sextown
4/7/2019 11:06:52 pm

"Peterson"?

tas8831
2/12/2020 01:15:11 pm

The guy that, rather than take his own advice, became addicted to bennies and then,l instead of getting real treatment, went to Russia to get a coma-detox and has now apparently suffered neurological damage? Great guru to listen to....

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Reticuli
4/24/2019 06:48:18 pm

Magic squares. Magic circles. Magic mirrors. Sounds pretty Victorian to me, actually.

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tas8831
2/12/2020 01:19:09 pm

Many years ago, when I would sometime waste time watching those silly 'alternative history' shows on the :"History" or "Discovery channel, I watched one on Atlantis and Hancock was there to offer his opinion.
His argument was that Atlantis was somewhere in the Atlantic, and and that something happened to make the earths crust heavier 'at the top' (northern hemisphere) - asteroid maybe? And that this, in turn 'pulled the earth's crust down' (toward south pole).
That was all I needed to hear to realize that he was a charlatan.

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Hanslune
2/12/2020 02:15:47 pm

Howdy TAS8831

I agree completely and wanted to note also that on a certain Religious Forum you did a very fine job of debunking a strange fellow named Cladking - well done

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