As part of the British leg of the rollout, Hancock gave a lengthy interview to London Real in which he expressed his belief that the story of the human past is guarded by doyens of dogma who, for obscure reasons, refuse to recognize the existence of a lost civilization in the Ice Age. In particular, he describes how his joint appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience with Michael Shermer, which descended into acrimony, reshaped his approach to ancient history and made him an angrier, more strident advocate of alternative history: I began to realize how ideological this all is. […] It’s helped me to understand that there is an ideological war over our past. […] The mainstream, for some reason in this [ideological war], doesn’t like cataclysms. It doesn’t like cataclysmic events. It doesn’t want to think that cataclysms have played a role in the human story. So seeking for a way to explain the disappearance of the megafauna, the natural option for a mainstream archaeologist is to say “oh that was human predation that did it” […] and suddenly we’re required to picture a group of hunter-gatherers who are so incredibly efficient, and so ruthless, that they wipe out the entire megafauna of North America in a matter of months. So, there’s a tendency in the study of prehistory to want to keep the past kind of nice and calm, and just the way it is now. There’s even a word for it, it’s called ‘uniformitarianism’ […] and it’s a doctrine. There are so many mixed up ideas in this passage that it’s hard to know where to begin. Uniformitarianism is a geological principle, for one thing. But a review of standard accounts of Earth’s history shows that for several decades the consensus has been that uniformitarianism is a general principle punctuated by extreme catastrophes, such as the space rock that killed the dinosaurs. The problem, of course, is that there is no definitive evidence for a cosmic catastrophe during recent human history. It is for that reason—not a refusal to believe catastrophes happen—that archaeologists don’t believe a comet took out the megafauna. Hancock’s claim that we are “required” to image Paleoindians massacring every animal in “months” is a rather ridiculous imaginary version of the various hypotheses put forward to explain the extinction of the mammoths. There is currently no agreed-upon consensus, much less a required dogma. Even those hypotheses (heavily disputed) that put it down to human intervention expect that the effects of human predation played out over generations, not months. To that end, consider Hancock’s misrepresentation of the Clovis-First hypothesis, which emerged in the 1960s and remained the scholarly consensus down to 1997, when a blue-ribbon panel verified the first pre-Clovis site in the Americas, Monte Verde in Chile. Since then, as more evidence has come to light, the consensus conclusions—which were always based on the known evidence—have changed as well. For Hancock, however, he sees dogmatic priests of science imposing an ideology in opposition to all the possible conclusions that an absence of evidence allows imagination to conceive: The position of archaeology for 50 years is “those were the first human beings to enter the Americas, no human beings entered the Americas before 13,600 years ago.” And those are the same archaeologists who repeatedly called me a pseudoscientist, or a pseudoarchaeologist, for suggesting other possibilities. […] All archaeologists admit this now, that Clovis-First was a mistake, they got it wrong, completely wrong. […] but what they don’t comment on is the careers that were ruined as a result. […] So when archaeologists of that type say “Hancock is a pseudoscientist,” I say “Hang on a minute, you guys are the pseudoscientists. You guys sold us Clovis-First for 50 years. You guys withdrew funding from research that might have exposed that lie earlier. […] You wouldn’t let it happen.” And that’s not right, it shouldn’t be that way. Archaeologists should not take the view that they have got a firm and fixed picture of the past. Because actually we know so little about the past. They should always be saying “this is our provisional position, but we are open to other possibilities.” Because if they don’t say that, those other possibilities are going to come along and kick them in the ass pretty soon. As you can see, Hancock has difficulty understanding that conclusions derive from evidence, not from possibilities. Clovis-First was the logical position based on what was known at the time, and it gave way when new evidence emerged. The process wasn’t neat and wasn’t clean (though much more orderly than, say, the battle over Piltdown Man), but that is true of major changes in almost any discipline. I’m still waiting to get my orders from Dogma Central. As best I can tell, I have yet to see two archaeologists actually agree completely on an interpretation, let alone conclude that we have a “fixed” picture of ancient history. I think it’s telling, however, that Hancock sees describing what we know about the past as taking a “position,” as though it were a political act. Finally, Hancock actually describes what he thinks the “lost civilization” was like, and it shouldn’t surprise anyone that he sees it as essentially Europe of the imperial age! I mean, of course he does: I think we’re talking about a civilization – more than 12,000 years ago – which was as advanced as our civilization was, say in the late 18th century or early 19th century. In other words, they could navigate the world, they could explore the world, they could measure the world accurately, they had precise astronomy, they could create beautiful maps that were accurate in terms of latitude and longitude. That kind of level of civilization. Victorians from Atlantis. Well, maybe the Regency in Atlantis, but let’s spot him a few years. No three words could better sum up the entire genre of alternative history.
67 Comments
Doc Rock
4/3/2019 09:01:36 am
Almost 30 years ago I sat in an audience consisting entirely of faculty and grad students from the anthropology department of a major university as well as staff from the state archaeology office and listened as Tom Dillehay gave a well received presentation on his work at Monte Verde.
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E.P. Grondine
4/8/2019 12:55:57 pm
Well Doc, I actually had the misfortune to run into the remains of the Clovis Firsters. But then for the last 10 years or so I have also run into various idiots who lectures me on asteroid and comet impacts. The way I see it, about 10 years from now they'll have managed to figure it out.
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Kent
4/8/2019 05:23:17 pm
I have also run into various idiots who lectures me on asteroid and comet impacts. The way I see it, about 10 years from now they'll be feeding worms.
E.P. Grondine
4/9/2019 01:52:49 pm
Hi Kent
Kent
4/9/2019 01:59:54 pm
Right over your head.
Poodle Shooter
4/9/2019 04:36:46 pm
"I am not intimately familiar with he Tanis site. I assume it is in Egypt."
E.P. Grondine
4/11/2019 03:46:37 pm
OK Bozos -
Poodle Shooter
4/11/2019 04:15:07 pm
Tough talk for someone who initially said "not intimately familiar" and "I assume". Maybe you should contact a researcher and get some advice on what your next step should be.
Will the Thrill
4/3/2019 10:25:01 am
An advanced civilization about twelve thousand years ago in the Americas which existed but managed somehow to vanish without leaving any physical evidence. No ruins of cities, no graves, no tools, no anything. How did they vanish, wiped completely off the face of the earth by an asteroid (which somehow managed to hit the earth not leaving a crater, or paleoindians who wiped them out leaving no traces in their histories. Graham Hancock needs to return to days of old when he was a drug addled flower child. His world was more simple then.
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Thomas Y.
4/6/2019 07:49:12 pm
Are you thick? The crater was found last year.
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Kent
4/6/2019 08:06:51 pm
From the link you provided:
THOMAS Y.
4/7/2019 01:32:35 am
That means Graham Hancock is right. Deal with it "skeptic".
Kent
4/7/2019 08:02:58 am
He's right when he says a 3 million year old impact event caused climate change 12,000 years ago?
Bill Birkeland
4/7/2019 11:05:48 am
It was stated;
cladking
4/3/2019 11:00:03 am
There's a simpler reasons that the status quo is defended; the entire world is based on the ideas that came before. The concept that there can have been no cataclysm and no advanced civilization is fundamental to the idea that our ancestors were sun addled bumpkins but we're all better now. That we are all better now is fundamental to our entire economy and society that rewards destruction and waste and punishes conservation and innovation.
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Kent
4/3/2019 11:30:33 am
In what way, in what particular matters is anthropology wrong?
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cladking
4/3/2019 02:05:54 pm
Across the board they are wrong. They make numerous assumptions about the nature of modern humans that are incorrect and then they ascribe these incorrect assumptions to ancient people. They assume ancient people thought like anthropologists but this is in error. Ancient people were nothing like we are. This means every single conclusion they've drawn is wrong or is at best right in a left handed sort of way. Since they are so wrong it opens up the possibility that Hancock and alternative theorists are at least partially correct.
Kent
4/3/2019 02:13:18 pm
"They're wrong about everything and I know better."
Adwight
4/4/2019 10:41:25 pm
> Across the board they are wrong. They make numerous assumptions about the nature of modern humans that are incorrect and then they ascribe these incorrect assumptions to ancient people.
V
4/5/2019 01:07:12 am
"Belief and superstition would have been bred out of the human race had it ever existed, but that;'s a small matter since no evidence exists that they were superstitious beyond anthropology's circular conclusions."
Hanslune
4/7/2019 10:40:13 am
Ah Cladking has shown up
Riley V
4/3/2019 01:58:53 pm
No offense intended, but do you Science?
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Kent
4/3/2019 02:02:35 pm
I like to think so but I suppose so does everyone.
Riley V
4/3/2019 08:56:29 pm
I hate this comment system. My question was supposed to be for Cladking. More like Sofaking in my view.
Kent
4/3/2019 09:21:57 pm
No beef, no problem. You might try refreshing the page before you reply so you can see the up to date version of what's currently there.
Doc Rock
4/3/2019 02:03:11 pm
Darn, 30+ years in anthropology and I never got my good old boys card or got asked to vote. On the other hand I did frequently serve as a peer reviewer for a lot of book manuscripts, article manuscripts, and grant proposals. Gave thumbs up to a lot of stuff that I didn't necessarily agree with but thought was well researched and presented challenging new ideas. Hell, I once gave thumbs up to a book manuscript that took some pretty hard shots at me!
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cladking
4/3/2019 02:15:22 pm
I don't mean to tar all individuals with the same brush and I have far less trouble with anthropologists than Egyptologists. Unfortunately Egyptological opinion weighs heavily on anthropology. Anthropologists are working at a severe disadvantage since they lack the extensive evidence that exists after ~3200 BC as writing. Anthropologists don't turn their back on or a blind eye to what they are studying.
Kent
4/3/2019 02:46:54 pm
"They're wrong about everything and I know better."
Doc Rock
4/3/2019 02:51:16 pm
Well, I am a far cry from being an Egyptologist, although I was (really) the only kid on the block with a copy of the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
MrAchilles
4/4/2019 03:35:00 am
@ Cladking And where is the evidence of this lost civilization?
V
4/5/2019 01:19:20 am
"But the assumptions are still wrong. Human progress is not linear and ancient people were not like us. For all practical purposes they were an entirely different species. There were "advanced" civilizations which we simply can't see because we see only our beliefs and models."
Adwight
4/4/2019 10:38:27 pm
>The concept that there can have been no cataclysm and no advanced civilization is fundamental to the idea that our ancestors were sun addled bumpkins but we're all better now.
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Finn
4/5/2019 01:50:50 am
"Anthropology is wrong and is mostly an old boys club that divvies up funding among its members and then meets to vote on their accepted version of reality. "
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Tony
4/6/2019 10:23:04 am
"Since they are so wrong it opens up the possibility that Hancock and alternative theorists are at least partially correct."
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Kent
4/6/2019 08:16:57 pm
"If Hancock actually read some current Egyptology his outlook would be different."
Accumulated Wisdom
4/3/2019 11:02:48 am
"they could navigate the world, they could explore the world, they could measure the world accurately, they had precise astronomy, they could create beautiful maps that were accurate in terms of latitude and longitude."
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Kent
4/3/2019 11:28:12 am
Remember when you asked what your religion was?
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That's It
4/3/2019 11:38:08 am
Pseudoscience is a religion yet nobody mocks the regular mainstream classical religions like judeo-christianity - yet they are 100% the same sort of pseudo-junk.
Kent
4/3/2019 01:36:35 pm
So you're that guy who never heard of George Carlin or Christopher Hitchens or the Flying Spaghetti Monster??
V
4/5/2019 01:22:07 am
"Pseudoscience is a religion yet nobody mocks the regular mainstream classical religions like judeo-christianity - yet they are 100% the same sort of pseudo-junk."
Well
4/3/2019 11:08:24 am
There is the issue of mainstream historians pushing the authenticity of "Annals" by Tacitus - despite the fact it was not mentioned before the 15th century - and it only exists in fragments - fragments are the ideal method of forgery
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Jean Stone
4/3/2019 06:31:32 pm
Fragments discovered independently, in different locations, not penned by a single hand.
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Titus pullo
4/3/2019 09:37:01 pm
DMT baby!
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Etaoinshrdlu
4/3/2019 09:48:52 pm
According to Mountain Girl the Grateful did a lot of DMT while recording their first album.
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cladking
4/5/2019 10:59:48 am
> @ Cladking And where is the evidence of this lost civilization?
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Kent
4/5/2019 02:30:01 pm
So you've got nothing.
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Hanslune
4/7/2019 10:51:45 am
Oh Cladking has tons, buckets full, its just not evidence.
Kent
4/8/2019 02:39:30 pm
Do we have any evidence of carbonated aquifer powered municipal bidets in Egypt? I'd think you'd start with that rather than an enormous stone cannery. What is Egyptian for "Ahhh!" at the end of a long sweaty day building the cannery?
Hanslune
4/9/2019 10:27:05 am
Howdy Kent
Kent
4/9/2019 10:50:47 am
The insanity, and I know you're merely relaying it, is stupendous. Even with the seltzer geysers, all that work to build the world's most-unsuitable-for-canning-cannery.
Hanslune
4/9/2019 11:43:30 am
Salute the crazy!
Kent
4/9/2019 03:45:11 pm
As a side topic until the next time Jason reminds us of his forthcoming review of Graham Hancock's book, let's review the parallel insanity of Cladking and Anthony "Accumulated Wisdom" Warren.
Kent
4/9/2019 06:32:42 pm
It occurs to me that another characteristic of the fringe is to say something serves as something for which it is obviously not designed.
Kent
4/7/2019 01:26:10 pm
"[T]this is not my blog and it would be inappropriate in my opinion to try to continue the discussion here."
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Hanslune
4/7/2019 03:41:44 pm
In the early years he asked lots of question and was polite, honest, did research and answered questions. Around 2009-2011 he tried to 'prove' his geyser funicular system and was ripped to pieces. At that point he began to attack 'Egyptologists' full time and began to make stuff up, refused to answer questions and made up nonsense and would ignore all evidence against his own beliefs. Knowing he couldn't prove anything he went instead with relentless never ending repetition, repeating hundreds of times the same claims on multiple websites while demanding his opinion be treated like evidence.
Infinite.Magnetic
4/7/2019 10:58:58 am
Dr. Jordan K. Petersen has expressed that if he had it "his way", he'd would disband anthropology (humanities) departments at universities and colleges.
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Infinite.Magnetic
4/7/2019 11:00:19 am
Why would he say such a thing?!
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Homer Sextown
4/7/2019 11:45:15 am
Jordan "K." Petersen?
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John
4/7/2019 07:47:32 pm
I’m pretty sure that Peterson’s problem with anthropology is postmodernism. The importance of Michel Foucault in anthropological theory has nothing to do with archaeology in practice.
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Homer Sextown
4/7/2019 07:54:32 pm
"Peterson"?
John
4/10/2019 09:02:18 pm
Yes. Peterson.
Infinite.Magnetic
4/7/2019 09:34:19 pm
Correction: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson
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Homer Sextown
4/7/2019 11:06:52 pm
"Peterson"?
tas8831
2/12/2020 01:15:11 pm
The guy that, rather than take his own advice, became addicted to bennies and then,l instead of getting real treatment, went to Russia to get a coma-detox and has now apparently suffered neurological damage? Great guru to listen to....
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Reticuli
4/24/2019 06:48:18 pm
Magic squares. Magic circles. Magic mirrors. Sounds pretty Victorian to me, actually.
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tas8831
2/12/2020 01:19:09 pm
Many years ago, when I would sometime waste time watching those silly 'alternative history' shows on the :"History" or "Discovery channel, I watched one on Atlantis and Hancock was there to offer his opinion.
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Hanslune
2/12/2020 02:15:47 pm
Howdy TAS8831
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