Dr. Greg Little has released yet another article attacking me for his own version of what he thinks I said. Little, who has attempted to debunk my analysis of the development of the ancient astronaut theory as well as the alleged Smithsonian conspiracy to suppress the existence of giants, has now attacked me for concluding that the 1909 Arizona Gazette article asserting the existence of a Tibetan-Egyptian civilization beneath the Grand Canyon is not true. Little claims that in his newest article he will refute me by (a) demonstrating that the article is based on facts and (b) showing that I am wrong about David Childress’s role in developing the idea that the Smithsonian was involved in a conspiracy. I will leave aside Little’s repeated and barbed attacks against me to focus on the facts.
The April 1909 Arizona Gazette article made a number of assertions. The major assertions are as follows:
Little believes that the story is true for a number of reasons, which I will annotate with reasons why he is wrong:
So, Little concludes that we are to see the Arizona Gazette article as accurate even though it is wrong about the date of the discovery, the location of the discovery, the size of the cave system, the people buried in it, the names of the people who discovered it, and sundry other details. All that is accurate, in this reading, are two surnames and the fact that it took place in Arizona. Is this enough to reclaim the article as fact? But all of this is a fig leaf covering Little’s real purpose: exorcising his upset that I implicated his friend David Childress, whom he met in the early 2000s, as the key figure in developing the idea of a Smithsonian conspiracy. In my December 31, 2013 article, I wrote that the story of the Smithsonian conspiracy took off after Childress wrote an article about it in the early 1990s, and that I could not find evidence that such a conspiracy was widely believed before then. Little excuses Childress from culpability by claiming that Childress was merely a copyist of fringe writer Ivan T. Sanderson, one his acknowledged sources, who accused the Smithsonian of “skullduggery” on several occasions in the 1960s and 1970s, most explicitly in one sentence in Pursuit magazine in 1972: “There has been a constant stream of accusations that the Smithsonian ‘buries’ things it doesn’t like…” However, he did not accuse the Smithsonian of being unique in this regard but, as Little himself admits, embedded this in a larger indictment of academia and indeed all museums, as Sanderson wrote in 1967: “One and all have just ‘evaporated’ like this, but, I must admit, very often within the portals of some museum which had acknowledged receipt of the relic.” Little further conflates the specific claim that the Smithsonian is suppressing anomalous artifacts with wider criticism, including some from academics, that the museum’s bureaucracy and reliance on arguments from authority in the twentieth century hindered research. There is no evidence I can find that Sanderson’s occasional sentences asserting that the Smithsonian purposely lost giant skeletons and Yeti tracks had any effect on the wider fringe world, which did not pick up the Smithsonian conspiracy theme until Childress expanded on Sanderson—whom he cites by name—in his own work. As I noted in my article, Childress gathered together many claims of Smithsonian fraud that were floating around before 1993; obviously I am not hiding the fact that they existed! So, I guess the bottom line is that Little would like us to exonerate Childress by freeing him from the accusation of having had an original thought. If that’s the case, I’m happy to acknowledge that Childress was simply a copyist, but I don’t think it’s that simple. He took some earlier but obscure claims from fringe writers (Frederick J. Pohl and John H. Tierney included) and wove them into a conspiracy that had heretofore been a few random hints on the fringe of the fringe. As he has done many times, Little confuses the popularization of an idea with its first proposal.
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Clint Knapp
9/14/2014 04:07:37 am
I read the article in question when Steve felt the need to share it; so for once he proved somewhat useful. Unintentional as it may seem.
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Duke of URL
9/14/2014 04:14:01 am
"Hohmann repelled down to the entrance" - rappelled, not repelled... That is, unless he was using his gravity-repelling flying suit which he got from the Martians.
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Dave Lewis
9/14/2014 08:24:37 am
Your handle is very clever! I wish I had thought of that. I wonder if anybody else gets it?
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Duke of URL
9/14/2014 09:42:11 am
Been using it for over 20 years (yes, I am an old fart who's been involved in computers since the first hobby machines came out) - that was always one of my favorite songs - yes, once in a while it registers with someone; thanks for the compliment.
Only Me
9/14/2014 06:40:06 am
Dear Greg Little,
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EP
9/14/2014 07:02:20 am
I disagree. Every time Little picks a fight with Jason, hilarity ensues. Mr. Little, carry on, please.
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Dave Lewis
9/14/2014 08:30:17 am
When these dufusses (is the plural of dufuss dufii?) attempt to defend their position they usually end up with ad hominem, straw man and/or circular logic arguments. Has Greg Little done that yet?
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EP
9/15/2014 02:35:10 am
Dave, I believe the singular is spelled 'doofus'. The plural of 'doofus' is 'doofuses', since it's not Latin in origin :)
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Kal
9/14/2014 09:15:42 am
Greg has done very little. Lol.
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666
9/14/2014 09:51:22 pm
The Ancient Astronaut theory is a religion, an article of faith, dressed up as a theory. At least it's not as militant claiming it is history. Like The Bible.
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Joseph Craven
9/14/2014 11:07:40 pm
Do you have a quota or something?
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666
9/15/2014 01:33:20 am
Aleister Crowley was the original Whitney Strieber
Name
9/16/2014 01:41:24 am
please spare me!!! Crowley was a fraud, a hoaxer, a showman,
666
9/15/2014 01:39:02 am
Someone once asked about the link between the Knights Templar and Atlantis.
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666
9/15/2014 02:12:12 am
And Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos was appropriated by occultists entailing communication with extraterrestrials as given above
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666
9/15/2014 02:27:57 am
Aleister Crowley wrote in 1944: "My observation of the Universe convinces me that there are beings of intelligence and power of a far higher quality than anything we can conceive of as human; that they are not necessarily based on the cerebral and nervous structures that we know, and that the one and only chance for mankind to advance as a whole is for individuals to make contact with such beings."
666
9/15/2014 02:54:07 am
It was in 1926 that Charles Stansfield Jones (Frater Achad) received the word of the Aeon (ALLALA = 93; becoming Plan 93 from Outer Space). H.P. Lovecraft wrote The Call of Cthullu in 1926. The occultists believed Cthullu was Crowley's Tutulu of 1909.
EP
9/15/2014 03:24:42 am
Hey, 666! Label your links NSFW please!
666
9/15/2014 03:46:11 am
http://freethoughtnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/savioroftheworld.jpg
EP
9/15/2014 04:18:14 am
I believe that's their composite sketch of you based on your posting.
Only Me
9/15/2014 05:14:55 am
To 666:
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Shane Sullivan
9/15/2014 06:06:29 am
And it must be horrible indeed, because I have a friend whose mother died as a direct result of her involvement with Christian Science, and he doesn't bemoan religion half as much as 666.
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Only Me
9/15/2014 06:57:29 am
Allow me to express my condolences for your friend. I can only say that, for me, Christian Science fits in the same category as Pentecostal snake handling...it's downright frightening what some are willing to do in the name of "faith".
EP
9/15/2014 07:16:14 am
Just so we're clear, this is the same Dr. Gregory L. Little, right?
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spookyparadigm
9/15/2014 07:30:15 am
IIRC his website has Cayce all over it, so this isn't shocking.
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EP
9/15/2014 07:43:54 am
What's shocking is that his job in the real world involves working on rehabilitation therapy of addicts and criminals. In which capacity he has authored and co-authored many research papers.
EP
9/15/2014 07:46:07 am
...and yes, the two sides of the man are not to be kept apart:
CHV
9/15/2014 09:42:07 am
Repeat after me, Dr. Little - just because something is printed, it does not make it true.
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EP
9/15/2014 09:47:28 am
Little unironically needs to be reminded of that. Witness his books (thanks largely to Paul Smith's amazing bibliography):
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EP
9/15/2014 11:24:16 am
Maybe you should ask him to sign your tin foil hat.
Only Me
9/15/2014 10:04:41 am
Perhaps Greg should remember his own observation:
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EP
9/15/2014 02:36:49 pm
Greg Little's article is adorable. He really, really wants to come across as the voice of reason and moderation. Too bad he can't help but twist and distort the facts in order to fit his pre-existing agenda (which includes Atlantis, stargates, and semen-gathering demons).
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joseph d pomeroy
6/21/2016 01:30:43 pm
I would like to say that your argument is very logically fallible. You use induction to base your thesis off of, which is never good. Not saying i believe a lot of these nut jobs, but I think it should still be taken into account and not slandered.
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12/15/2016 04:24:58 pm
Hi Jason, remember me? (Jack) ;-) To be brief ... I have never believed the conspiracy theories about this cave and still do not. The change in my thinking from when we first discussed this until now (2016) is this: In short I think Kincaid (or Kinkaid) did exactly what he said he did in 1909 and found exactly what he described in 1909 in the cave. I also think the rooms and other areas in a cave, were modifications of a natural cave. (carved) I think that much of the speculation on the cave as written in the Gazette article in 1909 was not necessarily scientific in that it was speculation by both Kincaid and the authors of the article. (probably Charles Akers or Harry Tritle. (editors/publishers) or another possible not credited journalist/author. I have finally decided to write a book on the evidence for the reality of this cave. I will use the 1909 article as an outline and guide and mainly stick to actual evidence that points to the possibility of this being a very real place. I will not use hearsay, rumors, or conspiracy theories in my case for it being a real place. Take care and I'll let you know when the book is published.
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