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H2 Host Scott Wolter and Former American Nazi Leader Frank Joseph Speak at Fringe History Conference

9/28/2014

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Last night America Unearthed host Scott Wolter was scheduled to give a presentation to the Ancient Artifact Preservation Society at its annual fringe history conference at the Holiday Inn in Marquette, Michigan. This is the same conference where in 2011 Wolter and Frank Joseph, the former Nazi party leader turned fringe history writer, carpooled with diffusionist author Wayne May, who is also in attendance this year. Last night Wolter was to focus on discussing the impact of 3D microscopes on the study of allegedly anomalous pre-Columbian North American artifacts.

Frank Joseph was also in attendance this year and was again a featured speaker on Friday, offering his views on Atlantis.
The conference was sponsored by Ancient American magazine, owned by May, which continues to employ the magazine’s former editor, the ex-Nazi and convicted child predator Frank Joseph, as a special correspondent.

According to the AAPS, Wolter made special requests of his producers to ensure that he could attend the conference after missing the last two due to America Unearthed duties.

Jo Lorichon, the publicist for the AAPS, told The Mining Journal, “Our emphasis is on knowledge that has, hitherto, not been distributed in the mainstream regarding pre-Columbian America.” The AAPS, however, recognizes that this information takes many forms, including claims that are mutually contradictory, or outright ridiculous. AAPS president Glen Devlanminck said “We don’t publicly criticize any of our speakers, even if we don't agree with them. We honor the speaker, we honor the data.” He added that archaeologists have been dismissive toward hypotheses advanced at the AAPS’s conferences.

Devlanminck did not address the issue of Joseph’s Nazi past, his former advocacy of Aryan supremacy theories, or his more recent writings for the Barnes Review, a Holocaust-denial publication. This must fall under the no-criticism rule.

However, like any fringe group, the AAPS has its specific hobbyhorses. In this case, the primary purpose of the conferences has been to explore claims that Old World peoples mined copper in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula and used it to fuel the Bronze Age in Europe.

The claim was proposed by Ignatius Donnelly in 1882 and has recently been adopted by Gavin Menzies and Scott Wolter.

This claim has been debunked time and again, yet true believers continue to maintain that 1.5 billion tons of copper are “missing” from Michigan and must therefore have been sent to Europe to make bronze, despite the non-appearance of bronze in Michigan. This number is derived from a series of faulty figures related to wild-guess estimates about every aspect of copper mining, combining assumption atop assumption. As Dr. Susan R. Martin explained two decades ago, “The figures are made up out of thin air and can be sneezed away. That’s because no one has a means to measure any of these variables accurately or with any precision. All of these figures are built on ill-constructed estimates.”

Yet among the attendees of the AAPS meeting, estimates for the “missing” copper developed in the 1960s in support of speculation from the 1880s remains at the forefront of “current” research.

Particularly telling was speaker Bob Wheeler’s view of an allegedly ancient petroglyph depicting what he says is a Minoan ship in Michigan:
Some people have said it was drunken college students up there on a whim, cranking that out. But, it’s artwork. It’s detailed. It’s well-done, done by an artist. […] To me it’s old, but there’s no proof of that.
This is a neat inversion of the ancient astronaut idea: Here the modern person is assumed to be too incompetent to draw a picture of a boat!

Other presentations included “evidence” for the Knights Templar on the Great Lakes and the life lessons Sasquatches have to teach us.
154 Comments
.
9/28/2014 02:32:45 am

it would have been neat if the main theme of the Fringe
History Conference was more focused on the Sasquatches...

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Scott Hamilton
9/28/2014 02:59:53 am

The link to the Mining News is broken. (And do you mean The Mining Journal?)

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Jason Colavito link
9/28/2014 04:24:05 am

Sorry about the broken link. I've fixed it, as well as the name of the Mining Journal.

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Mark link
9/28/2014 03:08:42 am

Sasquatches have so much to teach us. How not to be seen, for example; that's a skill that would come in handy at awkward department meetings.

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Only Me
9/28/2014 09:01:55 am

The Sasquatches were only there because the Knights Templar left behind caches of Oreos.

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Steve in SoDak
9/28/2014 12:35:11 pm

speaking of not being seen, one of my favorites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmMJntSfQI

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lurkster
9/28/2014 05:34:37 am

I don't recall ever seeing Wolter use a 3D microscope on AU? And WTH does 3D microscopes bring to the field of identifying pre-Colombian artifacts anyway? Oh right... it's Wolter who's specialty is concrete. My bad.

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Josef Karpinovic
9/28/2014 09:17:23 am

I've heard that Oreo cookies have been banned from all of the national parks because of the Sasquatch problem.

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EP
9/28/2014 09:19:34 am

That's racist :P

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Only Me
9/28/2014 09:32:57 am

Messin' with Sasquatch :)

EP
9/28/2014 11:40:15 am

"Even a Sasquatch could do it!"

Josef Karpinovic
9/28/2014 09:48:14 am

Oh, c'mon. You know how *THEY* are...
:p :p :p

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H. Gomez
9/28/2014 10:19:03 am

AAPS president Glen Devlanminck said “We don’t publicly criticize any of our speakers, even if we don't agree with them. We honor the speaker, we honor the data.”

I think This gets to the crust of the problem. How can data that is clearly innacurate be honored? And then to honor the speaker of unhonorable data? This can not be right

I need to look up some thing about that boat I saw some where, like worm heads at the ens instead of dragons.

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H. Gomez
9/28/2014 10:31:21 am

Here is that link. Some where in there about worm and snake heads on the ens of the boat. That boat at Copper Harbor there talking about has snake heads and eyes on it. You can see it's a Viking kind of boat, for sure, not a ancient boat. See that picture if you can. They don't have the boat right. That boat shows Scandanavia people crossing by on Lake Superior, probly on the way to Runestone Hill! They got the boat wrong! Ha! Ha!

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H. Gomez
9/28/2014 10:32:41 am

Whooops,

http://www.shipsonstamps.org/Topics/html/viking.htm

I hope this helps some one.

H. Gomez
9/28/2014 10:51:58 am

Here I found that boat.

Do this: copper+harbor+petroglyph+boat+carving

then look at the pictures. You will see it right away. That's the boat, with the Viking snakes on it. They like snakes and worms! Same boards. Same kind sail. Not that old, probly only just before columbus times

EP
9/28/2014 11:38:32 am

They once confused The Torah and the Upanishads... and in the same episode promoted the work of one of the most prominent Neo-Nazis alive today... while glorifying Nazi technology and calling Einstein a German scientist.

What you're talking about is getting it *right* by comparison :)

EP
9/28/2014 12:27:27 pm

Disregard the above comment. I must have gotten confused about which thread I was in. Durrrrr...

Rev. Phil Gotsch
9/28/2014 11:43:01 am

*sigh*

Again … not for the first or second or third or fourth time …

Scott Wolter is not a "Nazi" -- "neo-" or otherwise ...

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EP
9/28/2014 11:49:06 am

Probably not... but how do you know? Have you seen his "Not a Nazi!" license?

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
9/28/2014 11:55:03 am

*sigh*

Again … not for the first or second or fourth or fiftieth time …

I have known Scott Wolter fir 25+ years as both a personal friend and a professional colleague …

He is not a "Nazi," neo- or otherwise …

(Now I will wait for yet another juvenile insult laced with foul language … )

EP
9/28/2014 12:12:44 pm

For a non-Nazi Scott Wolter sure does knowingly deal with prominent Neo-Nazis quite frequently.

That's something that calls for an explanation, no?

Jerky
9/29/2014 03:40:22 am

Rev., I knew my uncle for 25 years yet just 3 days ago I learned he was a member of the Klan for the past 20 years, so just because you "know" some one for 25 plus years doesn't mean you "know" every thing about what they do behind closed doors.

CHV
9/30/2014 08:58:01 am

>>>>I have known Scott Wolter for 25+ years as both a personal friend and a professional colleague …

DRINK!

Jose Simental
10/2/2014 03:52:34 pm

Come on EP, he was granted the "Not a Nazi" license over a cup of coffee with one of his mentors.... :-)

Laetitia
9/28/2014 12:28:10 pm

Who wrote that he was? The title of this blog entry is "H2 Host Scott Wolter and Former American Nazi Leader Frank Joseph Speak at Fringe History Conference." No person reading that could interpret that to mean anything else.

Why do you insist upon stating something that hasn't been suggested?

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Cathleen Anderson
9/28/2014 12:32:58 pm

I suspect that the good reverend really is no friend to Scott Wolter. If he really is a friend...well...with friends like him, who needs enemies.

Will
12/28/2015 10:10:54 am

Yes, because that was in *no way* trying to tarnish Wolter's reputation by desperately associating the two in the headline. *Surely* it was there incidentally. Like Jason would try to do that.

Only Me
9/28/2014 12:35:19 pm

Defense through repetition...no matter how weak it is. Not surprisingly, Phil is attempting to reinterpret what was actually written, just like before.

Broken record time! (Insert catchphrase), *scratch*, (insert catchphrase), *scratch*, (insert catchphrase), *scratch*...

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EP
9/28/2014 12:44:39 pm

Rev. Phil Gotsch won't rest until google starts suggesting 'Scott Wolter Nazi' :)

BillUSA
9/28/2014 10:49:01 pm

C'mon, you're not talking to a bunch of tin-hatters here. There is such a thing as guilt (for lack of a better term) by association. Scott Wolter is either so eager to get his name out there or he has a serious ethical deficit. In my opinion it's a mixture of both.

People like yourself, who overlook such important issues in a person while clinging to them as friends, get dragged down no matter how much denial you throw at it.

Do you suppose anyone on the Titanic suggested openly that "oh, it's just a list" while holding on to something not already sliding into the Atlantic? He's the boat, you are the passenger. Head for the davits.

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Tara Jordan link
9/28/2014 01:29:45 pm

The way I see it,both sides are approaching this dilemma (Wolter associates with neo Nazis Vs Wolter is not a neo Nazi) from an emotional perspective,instead of a rational.I have no problem with the idea of interacting,debating with extremists from all shapes and forms,for the sake of intellectual purpose,researches,studies etc... I have done it myself.But there is a big difference in my opinion,Scott Wolter is sharing the stage with these individuals,in an effort to promote himself,reaching a larger audience,In lay man`s terms,he is doing it as self gratification,for financial/commercial purpose.This behaviour is unethical,especially since Wolter is a public figure & the host of popular TV show.If he was honest, he would publicly acknowledge what he does off the show.I may be wrong but I don't think that many among his "mainstream followers" are aware of the fact,that he is associating with neo Nazis and right wing extremists.

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EP
9/28/2014 01:45:01 pm

I'm sorry, what exactly is "emotional" about either position? I happen to believe both that Scott Wolter is not a Neo-Nazi and that he associates with them in an unethical way.

In fact, I don't see what you're trying to get at by distinguishing your view from that of virtually all sensible posters here. It's not like anyone ever blamed him for being in the same room with them

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Tara Jordan link
9/28/2014 02:12:17 pm

This is Sunday pissing contest?.
"sensible posters",indeed,those who decide what is acceptable and permissible.
In my world,freedom of expression has no boundary,"il est interdit d'interdire"

EP
9/28/2014 04:15:40 pm

Not sure I understand your reply either. I wasn't talking about freedom of expression. I was merely confused about what you mean bu emotional. Even the Rev is not being emotional (just a broken record) and positions you mentioned aren't intrinsically emotional.

Ad long as you're not saying anything to the effect of "everyone's emotional but me", I suppose it doesn't matter that I didn't get what you were saying...

BillUSA
9/28/2014 10:56:48 pm

Tara -

I wouldn't sweat it over EP. He might actually know a thing or two, but neither of them is knowing just when to keep his opinion to himself.

You know how it goes; "Don't do as I do, do as I say."

EP
9/29/2014 01:26:43 am

The man ranting about "Hollywood power homosexuals" encroaching on his right to be a bigot. Speaking of keeping his opinions to himself.

LOL

Rev. Phil Gotsch
9/28/2014 02:55:54 pm

Long long ago … as a high school senior … out of morbid curiosity … I attended a speech by George Lincoln Rockwell, who was the founder and then leader of the American Nazi Party …

The whole bit was very interesting not least because it was so BORING and strange …

But … IMHO, even MORE strange and boring is the bad old fashioned MaCarthy-esque attempt to attribute guilt or fault by association, by an implied *smear* …

I dunno ...

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Jason Colavito link
9/28/2014 03:08:56 pm

The trouble, Phil, is that Wolter shares the stage with Nazis and racists. He went on Frank from Queens' radio show and *accepted and award from him* for service to the white race rather than call him out on his racism. In his book he explains why we should accept Nazi scientist and racist Jacques de Mahieu's work at face value--because the Nazis were super good at science! He isn't guilty by association; he is creating trouble for himself by purposely appropriating these people and ideas to support his own. He chose to use Nazi research in his book uncritically; he chose to appear on a racist's radio show and accept an award from them.

And remember: Wolter says any orally delivered award is the equivalent of an honorary university degree, so you can't pretend that Frank's award isn't important!

Rev. Phil Gotsch
9/28/2014 03:13:14 pm

IOW … You essentially concede that you are attempting a *smear* …

Are you deliberately trying to invite / induce a law suit … ???

Only Me
9/28/2014 03:58:44 pm

Scott's had more experience as a defendant than as a witness, so I doubt he knows the requirements for a lawsuit anymore than he understands basic science.

Tara Jordan link
9/28/2014 04:17:24 pm

Rev. Phil Gotsch

This is not about guilt by association (I have been guilty as well. Apologies to EP for taking about myself again...),I see it as an ethical issue.Can you imagine Scott during one his programs on H2,declaring," by the way,in order to deal with a particular controversy & set the record straight, I do from time to time,share the stage with neo Nazis (one of these lunatics is also a paedophile) and right wing extremists,but I have neither political nor ideological affiliation with these individuals.....".

Personally I couldn't care less if Scott was playing golf with Ernst Zundel or Tom Metzger,but he is walking a very dangerous path.One day,organizations such as the ADL or the Southern Poverty Law Center ,will find out about he does,and his career will be over.If you really are as close with Scott as you claim,you should tell him to terminate his occasional association with these lunatics.In his frenetic quest for recognition,Scott is actually committing suicide.

I have no particular sympathy for him, but I`d hate to see him burned at the stake because of his vanity.What we do here (holding him accountable for his floppy researches),is nothing in comparison to what organizations like the ADL or the SPLC will do to him.Do the right thing,because so far you are not helping him,

EP
9/28/2014 04:20:21 pm

It's not a smear if there is reasonable doubt whethet Wolter is willing to associate with the Neo-Nazis for the purpose of unscrupulously popularizing his views or satisfying his ego.

It's not that anyone is accusing him of ideologically associationg with the Nazis. Though there is enough of a pattern to leave room for doubt on this issue as well...

EP
9/28/2014 04:24:22 pm

@ Only Me

Maybe if Wolter were to get legal advice from Gunn it would work... :)

Cathleen Anderson
9/28/2014 06:01:19 pm

You aren't helping your friend any Rev. What Joe McCarthy did is completely different than the comparisons happening here. The fact that Scott Wolter continues to engage in the behavior does look at the very least odd.

Jason Colavito link
9/28/2014 11:35:33 pm

Seriously, Phil? You read that as a "smear" and claim that listing specific facts will invite a lawsuit? The point I was trying to make, Phil, is (as I explicitly say) this is not guilt by association. What you read as such is the inevitable result of Wolter's own choices. There is no way to honestly describe his activities with you seeing his own choices as a smear. The only way to avoid this is to intentionally leave out relevant information, which is unfair to the audience.

Only Me
9/28/2014 11:38:49 pm

For you, Dickey.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/397511936/h31BE7231/

Every time you thread bomb, a kitten dies. Think of the kittens, too.

Harry
9/29/2014 01:04:09 am

Phil, by using the work of, and appearing on "scholarly" panels with, and on programs hosted by, Nazis and other racists, without criticizing their racist worldviews or the problematic elements of their supposed scholarship, Wolter is implying that he takes them seriously as scholars and that everyone else should take them seriously, too.

He is, of course, free to do so, and it does not make him a racist or neo-Nazi, but he is not free to avoid criticism for doing so from those of us who find that attitude and conduct troubling.

What Wolter is doing is much different from someone who sits on a panel in order to debate Nazis by pointing out where they err, or someone who, with no commitment to Nazism, attends a single Rockwell speech out of curiosity. I applaud the first and can understand the second.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
9/28/2014 04:30:39 pm

Having been a personal friend and professional colleague of Scott Wolter for 25+ years, I know that he is NO "Nazi" -- of any stripe ...

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Only Me
9/28/2014 05:11:40 pm

(Insert catchphrase), *scratch*, (insert catchphrase), *scratch*, (insert catchphrase), *scratch*...

Also:

What is it about Jason Colavito that has you (and Scott Wolter) so worried and upset? A better question: why do both of you feel so threatened by him? What are you trying to hide?

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EP
9/28/2014 05:16:38 pm

If Scott Walter was a Nazi, how would you know, Rev?

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[J.A.D]
9/29/2014 09:13:25 am

likewise, equally so... were Scott Wolter an ancient
un~activated Soviet 'sleeper' agent for the old USSR
we'd be in the dark equally so... to be a very successful
closet Nazi is 2 B on the very same level as the Soviet
Sleeper Agent that J.Edgar Hoover;s FBI guys never
found. We can't know, we only judge him by his actions.

Portland Dangler
9/28/2014 05:07:54 pm

Rev. Phil Gotsch, as a honorary DDS (University of the Bahamas), I would like to tell you that I endorse Scott Wolter's "America Unearthed" toothpaste and floss campaign.

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BillUSA
9/28/2014 10:34:35 pm

The thing I find most troubling is that a convicted child predator was in attendance and there was no news of anyone making a scene.

And fringe theorists wonder why they aren't taken seriously by mainstream science or society.

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Tara Jordan link
9/29/2014 08:24:29 am

Fringe theorists probably consider that paedophilia is an alternative sexual orientation.I does make sense if you follow Jeffrey Dahmer`s rational "love takes many forms".
Fringe theorists don't stop at being ridiculous,when they have no problem associating with sex offenders and sociopaths,they are also borderline dangerous.They disregard the very principle of "the buck stops here".

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EP
9/29/2014 05:26:32 am

Let's not forget about Wolter's participation in a Barnes Review-sponsored, Stormfront-advertised "Third International Conference On Authentic History And The First Amendment".

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t25433/

That was back in 2002. This supports the contention that Wolter has a pattern of associating with these people.

This doesn't make Scott Wolter a Nazi. But what *does* it make him? That is the question...

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Matt Mc
9/29/2014 06:29:50 am

The kind of person that thinks he can sell a few books to some Nazis. Not to much different to the kind of person who will go to a Nazi speech because they are curious.




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EP
9/29/2014 08:51:44 am

Sometimes you wanna go
Where everybody knows your name
And they're always glad you came:
A Nazi rally.

Tara Jordan link
9/29/2014 08:32:01 am

You may say anything you want about Scott Wolter, but no one can deny that he is open to criticism.On this blog,he doesn't censor negative comments,and personally responds.

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EP
9/29/2014 08:54:56 am

Yeah, that's not true.

He refuses to post comments he finds objectionable. He openly admits to that in the comments to his latest post, for example.

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Tara Jordan link
9/29/2014 09:23:51 am

What I posted yesterday proves it otherwise.Scoot Wolter has no sympathy for me but he never censored any of my comments.

EP
9/29/2014 09:57:28 am

Last I checked, you weren't the only person posting there. :)

It's easy to confirm. Go to the comments and read Wolter saying that he rejected some comments.

Tara Jordan link
9/29/2014 10:39:20 am

You don't have to make it so personal.I am not trying to be egocentric.This is not about Tara Jordan,I have nothing to sell.Although when I express a particular opinion,I am doing it from my own personal perspective,therefore I speak as Tara Jordan.Last time I checked,anyone posting on this blog is doing the same thing (expressing a particular position associated with a name or alias).If that makes you uncomfortable,I could post anonymously or under a phony nickname?.

EP
9/29/2014 10:53:06 am

Tara, I honestly don't get what you're saying. I merely pointed out that somethig you said (formulated as a general claim, the way you formulated) is incorrect. If you meant to speak of your personal experience only, you should have restricted your original claim appropriately. As it is, you are the only one to blame for being misunderstood.

I most certainly have no intention to hinder your expression of opinion. (I only hope you return the favor, even when it comes to expression of opinions about your opinions and/or their expression...)

Kal
9/29/2014 10:02:40 am

Your reverend friend here is clearly a troll out for attention. Do not feed it. Also there's not hate speech grounds here for a lawsuit. SW did indeed attend the conference and there was a known neo Nazi there. He didn't say that he liked his ideas.

"If you tell a lie long enough, anyone will believe it."

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EP
9/29/2014 10:15:16 am

Someone's making laughably empty legal threats? On the Internet?

Well I never! :)

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LPH
9/29/2014 05:58:44 pm

Phil - It's not really that complicated. Anyone should be ashamed and embarrassed to associate with anyone with an affiliation with the neo-Nazi party. I take it you do not feel that transitive property type shame. That is your choice, but you wear it nonetheless.

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Matt Mc
9/30/2014 01:17:28 am

Phil is just curious about it all, I think that and his statements defending Wolter goes far to demonstrate his the great sense of ethics he has. Sad thing is that he is a preacher and has a congregation


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EP
9/30/2014 01:52:58 pm

Have you listened to his cermons? (I linked one in some recent thread, I think...)

Any congregation stuck with him can only be pitied.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
9/30/2014 09:43:36 am

So …
If you're intent upon public transportation or shopping in a store … before entering you first conduct a survey/poll to determine the political*social views of the other passengers*customers … ???

uh huh

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Only Me
9/30/2014 11:09:07 am

Strawman argument. You said yourself, Phil, you attended a speech by the then leader of the American Nazi Party out of curiosity. What do you think the consequences would have been if you had attended as a reverend?

That said, Scott Wolter was advised not to attend the Barnes Review sponsored conference but did anyway. He went on air with, and accepted an award from, a racist. He adopted and defended the work of a Nazi sympathizer and has continued to associate and collaborate with another former ANP leader. He *knew* or could have found out about the backgrounds of these men.

If this is so harmless, Phil, why aren't you pals with Frank Joseph? Why haven't you offered your services to deliver the opening prayer for Barnes Review events? Why haven't you peddled Scott's "Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers" as vociferously as you've done for "The Kensington Rune Stone: Compelling New Evidence"? Why don't you rub elbows with Frank from Queens and tell us all how he's such a nice guy?

I continue to be amazed how you disavow the facts of Scott's activities with a skill that would shame Baghdad Bob, while also divorcing Scott's shortcomings from Scott himself.

Matt Mc
9/30/2014 12:45:10 pm

Like Only Me said strawman argument.

What part of American Nazi Party Speech made it something that would seem like it is interesting to attend?

I honestly just cannot think of a scenario where someone would so "Hey I am curious lets go listen to the Nazi speak, who knows they might have something interesting to say?" There are only two type of people I can see going to a Nazi Speech, those who are interested in what they may have to say or those going to protest the speech.

I wonder if you went to a Klan rally in the past also because the Barbeque was good? You know because they are good with lighting fires.



EP
9/30/2014 01:50:29 pm

I am sufficiently twisted that I can see myself saying "Hey, let's go check out the Nazi rally and have fun at the expense of the freaks!" However, I also know enough about the people who attend it to know that I'd find being there absolutely revolting.

Anyone who would describe it as "boring and strange" ahead of any other adjective has something wrong with them.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
9/30/2014 02:42:50 pm

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa …

I do indeed not "pal around" with persons I have never met …

Hello … ???

EP
9/30/2014 02:58:03 pm

What the hell are you talking about?

Rev. Phil Gotsch
9/30/2014 03:32:07 pm

"Goddess" --

{{{HUG}}}

Only Me
9/30/2014 05:34:48 pm

Yes, indeed, Phil. Hello? Are you conscious?

I asked you, specifically, if Scott's associations and relationships are harmless, as you try to claim, then why:

- aren't you pals with Frank Joseph?
- haven't you offered your services to deliver the opening prayer for Barnes Review events?
- haven't you peddled Scott's "Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers" as vociferously as you've done for "The Kensington Rune Stone: Compelling New Evidence"?
- don't you rub elbows with Frank from Queens and tell us all how he's such a nice guy?

In other words, if there is no risk from these associations, why don't you introduce yourself to them as Scott has done? You keep making laughable excuses for him, so there must be something inherently troubling about who he's chosen to be seen with publically.

While I'm thinking about it...

What is it about Jason Colavito that has you (and Scott Wolter) so worried and upset? A better question: why do both of you feel so threatened by him? What are you trying to hide?

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/1/2014 02:57:59 am

"Only You" --

LOL … I don't pall around with Fred Johnson from Omaha, Nebraska, either … nor have I offered to give an opening prayer/blessing at the annual meeting of the The Northwest Lumberjacks Association (that, despite the fact they're "okay" -- "they sleep all night and they work all day")

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Only Me
10/1/2014 04:05:04 am

Thank you.

You've proven beyond a reasonable doubt you are both unable and unwilling to answer the questions, and by doing so, you've proven everyone else right.

You're not here to defend Scott...because there's nothing that can be defended.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/1/2014 07:32:51 am

"Only You" --

1. I do respond to your queries … You just don't like the responses …

2. You don't ask "questions" … You attempt to conduct an interrogation ... and you DEMAND submission to your authority (whatever you imagine it to be) … (Whoever you are …)

Only Me
10/1/2014 04:08:27 pm

Wrong on both counts, Phil. That conspiracy mindset must be comforting to you, so you're welcome to it.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/1/2014 05:00:10 pm

"Only You" (whoever you are) --

LOL …
I'M not the one who sees "Nazis" hiding in plain sight everywhere ...

Only Me
10/1/2014 05:21:38 pm

Name's Only Me, Phil. You tried that crap with Ge Ki, but it won't work here.

Reverting back to another repeated stock response proves yet again you can't defend Scott. You're done. You've lost. Get OVER it.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/1/2014 05:33:44 pm

"Only" (whoever you are) --

LOL … Get Over It ...

Only Me
10/1/2014 06:31:32 pm

There's nothing for me to "get over", so, LOL until you get over your whatever. Duh.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/2/2014 01:46:21 am

LOL …

*whatever*

EP
10/2/2014 02:27:31 am

Rev. Phil Gotsch said: "LOL … I'M not the one who sees "Nazis" hiding in plain sight everywhere ..."

You only see them at the Nazi rallies, apparently.

Matt Mc
10/3/2014 02:28:05 am

He tried that name crap with me also in the past and used a Racial slur against me.

Claimed he did not know, I called bullshit, I think it was very deliberate.

I was very becoming coming from a preacher. Somehow he thinks making fun a a person name or handle is empowering. I personally think it goes a long way to explain his tolerance of Wolter's working with and along side of Nazi's and other racists. I have found people who have racist tendencies, no matter how hard they try, cannot hide there true feelings for too long you just need to let them speak (our in this case post) enough.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/3/2014 05:44:00 am

Matt Mc (whoever you are) --

Nonsense …
Relax. Take a couple deep breaths.
Get over it.
(or not) … *whatever*

EP
10/3/2014 06:08:57 am

Hey Phil, attended any good Nazi rallies lately?

If not, you should ask Scott Wolter's buddy - I'm sure he can hook you up.

Matt Mc
10/3/2014 07:11:27 am

Hey I am not the one who used a racial slur in identifying someone.


Your sarcasm and not so witty responses speak volumes.

It does not surprise me that someone who makes statements like that would go to a Nazi rally or take such a defense about themselves and their friends not being racist

Keep rambling Phil over time you have been good at demonstrating why your friends affiliations do not bother you.

It really is a shame that you actually have a people who take your word seriously and is a great example of the failures of organized religions.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/3/2014 09:31:27 am

"EP" & "Matt Mc" (whoever you are) --

LOL …
Relax. Take a couple deep breaths ...

EP
10/3/2014 09:32:38 am

I'd make a gas chamber joke, but even I have boundaries :)

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/3/2014 03:49:00 pm

yeah

nothing is sacred to you

Only Me
10/3/2014 04:45:42 pm

@Matt MC

Until Phil made his "slip of the tongue", I had honestly never heard the term "Mack" used as a slur against those of Irish descent. Because of my unfamiliarity with the term, I *was* willing to give Phil the benefit of the doubt. That went away though, once Phil started making Cosa Nostra and other Italian/Sicilian references at Jason's expense.

This coming from a man so concerned about imaginary "character assassination" attacks aimed at his friend.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/3/2014 05:22:37 pm

Oh … Wow ...

EP
10/3/2014 06:13:07 pm

Is Rev. Phil Gotsch a racist? Does that have anything to do with his defense of Scott Wolter?

Stay tuned!

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/3/2014 06:42:02 pm

No …

I am not a "racist" nor a "racialist" …

Scott Wolter also is neither of those ...

Only Me
10/3/2014 06:47:14 pm

Phil Gotsch, "Oh...Wow..."

Do you need a reminder of your past words, Phil? No problem.

When Is It OK to Discuss a Fringe Historian's Background?
4/27/2014

Rev. Phil Gotsch 04/27/2014 6:14pm

I dunno …

The "Colavito" Family … "Italian," yes … ??? Hmmmmm … "The Mob" … ??? "La Cosa Nostra" … ??? THEY'RE "Italian," right … ??? Hmmmm ...

That was an excerpt from your full comment. Need more?

Fringe History's Frank Joseph Problem
4/29/2014

Rev. Phil Gotsch 04/29/2014 11:51am

(But … Jason Colavito … YOU are "Italian," yes … ??? Why don't you make use of every opportunity to DENOUNCE The Mafia, La Cosa Nostra, and the WEIRD antics of Silvio Berlusconi … ???)

That's also taken from your full comment. How about your unapologetic exchange with Matt MC?

Fringe History's Frank Joseph Problem
4/29/2014

Rev. Phil Gotsch 05/06/2014 5:50pm

Oooops …

Not to "Only Me," but to "Mack Mc" … (twins separated at birth … ???)

Matt Mc 05/06/2014 7:44pm

First Rev. names Matt, I get the Mack part however, funny how in stating you friend is not a racist you address someone with a potential Irish last name with a common racial slang used in identify Irishmen. Good one defending a friend from racism by using insulting terms yourself does not help ones argument. Now am I calling you a racist, no I just think you are being ignorant and are trying to provoke. I really don't care and I have been called worse names in my life but it goes to show that racism is indeed a topic that is needed to be addressed because in attempts to insult even people of "faith" choose to resort to it to insult others.

And to put it clearly as I can, what I said was the since you are good friends with Wolter your own personal feelings about the man are preventing you to look at him the public persona he has created for himself objectively. Because of the displayed personal bias you are unable to understand and do think these subjects should be addressed and explored. Also because of the openly displayed bias your statements should be taken with a grain of salt.

So have a great evening and I forgive you for the racist statement because I do believe that you are better than that its just that your passion for Scott leads you to do silly things.

Rev. Phil Gotsch 05/06/2014 11:12pm

(Whoever You Are) --

Huh … VERY interesting … I have trouble sometimes keeping exact track of exactly which circling "snark" is on the attack at any given spot, and I don't always get the monikers correctly …

But, no … I had no idea that "Mack" (a "slip" on my part) is an insult to Irish folk, nor (obviously) did I know -- or COULD I have known -- that you are Irish …

But anyway (whoever you are) … have a nice evening ...

These are YOUR words, Phil. Since they're part of this blog, anyone can find them. Even in the context in which they were made, the fact is, YOU brought Jason's heritage into play. YOU screwed up and called Matt MC by a slur, and when it was pointed out to you, you didn't have the decency to apologize. None of this is, as you put it, "nonsense".



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Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/4/2014 03:33:27 am

*sigh*

My pointing out of Jason Colavito's (apparently) Italian heritage was merely (and obviously) intended to emphasize the ridiculous nature of trying to tie Scott Wolter with "Nazi" ideas …

THINK …

Yes … The whole bit IS nonsense … isn't it … ???

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EP
10/4/2014 04:38:11 am

Are you *sure* you weren't being racist? Because between that and nonchalantly attending Nazi rallies we're beginning to see something like a pattern emerging...

Only Me
10/4/2014 05:02:18 am

No, Phil, just no.

Your references to Jason's heritage were deliberate slams, and you know it. After all, you're backing Scott's "Columbus myth" crap, which, as Jason discovered, originated from the racist agenda of Thomas Sinclair. Too damn "coincidental" for my tastes.

Since you didn't address the slur moment, I take it you are accepting responsibility for it. No, wait, you still consider it "nonsense".

You're supposed to be a servant of God. You're supposed to be setting an example. You're supposed to be a pillar of the community. How can you fail at all three and make peace with that?

Matt Mc
10/4/2014 06:15:31 am

Phil's denial speaks volumes and his actions are the same as most who are caught making racist statements. I am surprised he has not used the "I even have friends of different races and ethnic backgrounds" statement yet.

The whole thing is just admit it, everyone makes racially insensitive statements from time to time, the difference is that most when called out admit to the wrong doing and apologize and hopefully learn from the mistake. The lack of seeing the problem shows how ingrained the racism is, it does not have to be overt to be ingrained most of the time it comes from the environment that one was raised in and the company they keep. LIke I said I feel sorry for Phil for he is not able to have a little self reflection to notice that the statements he made where deliberate racist statements and even sadder that it come from a supposed man of the clothe who is supposed to preach and teach about self reflection and forgiveness. I guess in Phil parish below the surface racism is tolerated, which also is not a surprise.

Like I said before based on the these statements and others it is no surprise that he does not find Scott's associations objectionable because in his world they are normal.

So Rev keep making these statements and keep thinking that the reactions are nonsense because the more you make statements like that the more people can see how foolish you are.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/4/2014 06:06:13 am

LOL …

It seems to drive you fellas nuts that I don't respond as you hope either to *flaming* or to interrogation ...

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EP
10/4/2014 06:12:57 am

I don't know about anyone else, but so far you've surpassed my most optimistic expectations.

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Matt Mc
10/4/2014 06:51:30 am

Agreed, EP, Agreed.

Phil is responding exactly how I thought he would and I hope he continues to do in the same manner.

Only Me
10/4/2014 07:02:49 am

Actually, Phil, you've responded EXACTLY as I knew you would. You can't help it; it's in your nature. And that's what we've been addressing.

You make highly questionable and even inflammatory remarks on this blog, which are unbecoming of someone with your status. That you do so, while excusing equally questionable behavior from Scott, resonates loud and clear.

I'd tell you "Shame on you", but we're past the point that would do any good.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/4/2014 09:35:07 am

There is a certain kind of personality that delights in making a hobby or even a career of searching out "offense" … to the extent that even if it isn't there, it gets ginned*up / invented … in order to have the experience of those voluptuously delicious feelings of self righteousness …

I dunno ...

Matt Mc
10/4/2014 11:03:27 am

I telling yourself that makes you feel better Phil, keep doing so.

I was waiting for you to use deflection in your response to this thread.

Took a little longer than I expected

Only Me
10/4/2014 02:34:46 pm

THINK about what you said, Phil. That is a perfect description of your behavior on this blog, the only difference is, you're doing it on behalf of Scott Wolter.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/4/2014 03:12:07 pm

Well … Okay …
LOL …

So … Let me simply state it again …

I have been a personal friend and professional colleague of Scott Wolter for 25+ years … I know him to be an essentially honest person of good character … He is not any sort of "Nazi," neo- or otherwise …

For some reason when ever I have posted this personal knowledge in these … ummmmm … "discussions" … some folks just go nuts and accuse me of all manner of sordid ethical lapses …

I dunno … Go figure … *whatever* ...

But, yes … I do very well withstand "flaming" and interrogation, and bullies find me to be distinctly uncooperative …





Only Me
10/4/2014 03:43:42 pm

Oh, Phil, you ARE guilty of sordid ethical lapses, just like Scott. We continue to point them out, in response to your endlessly recycled catchphrases, because neither of you seems to have any lick of common sense. You want to do as you please, say what you please, and then feign innocence when your words and decisions are held accountable.

Just for the record, you've cooperated brilliantly. I knew it wouldn't take much for you to hang yourself with your hypocrisy. This has all been very revealing, so thank you for playing!

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/4/2014 04:15:02 pm

(1) Resisted bullying …

(2) Bully declares *victory* …

*cognitive*dissonance*

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EP
10/4/2014 04:19:27 pm

So Phil, what do you think about Scott Wolter repeatedly participating in Neo-Nazi-affiliated events?

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/4/2014 04:30:56 pm

Have you stopped beating your spouse, children, and companion animals … ???

Only Me
10/4/2014 04:47:38 pm

So now Phil is accusing EP of domestic abuse and animal cruelty.

What a turd.

EP
10/4/2014 04:53:14 pm

Scott Wolter's actions I was referring to are a matter of public record. Do you have any evidence of me acting in the way you are alleging? Because if you do not, i looks like we can add committing outright slander to your many foolish choices on this blog...

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/4/2014 05:17:30 pm

"EP" (whoever you are) --

I can indeed understand why you are reluctant to answer a "question" which is obviously nothing of the sort, but is only meant to trip*up the recipient …

Point made …

I will withdraw the "question" … but the "witness" is not excused (yet) ...

EP
10/4/2014 05:39:05 pm

Look at Rev. Phil Gotsch acting like he's all "in control" and everything...

Now, since my question was a real question (one of the many you keep trying to ignore), what do you think about Scott Wolter repeatedly participating in Neo-Nazi-affiliated events?

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/5/2014 05:41:25 am

EP (whoever you are) --

I obviously don't recognize your presumed right to conduct this interrogation ...

Matt Mc
10/5/2014 05:45:57 am

and in return I can say I do not recognize your presumed right to defend Wolter's associates no matter what you claim and I am sure others both active in the forums and readers will agree with that.


Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/5/2014 05:55:06 am

Matt Mc (whoever you are) --

See … One of the huge problems in this strange blog series is the virtually continual deliberate distortions and misrepresentations put forward by the Wolter bashers …

E.g. … I have NEVER defended "Scott Wolter's associates" (I don't know them) … I have consistently risen to defend Scott Wolter from unwarranted mean spirited personal attacks on his character ...

Only Me
10/5/2014 06:07:11 am

One of the huge problems in this strange blog series is the virtually continual deliberate distortions and misrepresentations put forward by the Wolter worshipers...

Fixed.

Matt Mc
10/5/2014 06:37:39 am

Phil,

That was my phone auto correcting let me fix my statement (and add something)

return I can say I do not recognize your presumed right to defend Wolter's associations and misrepresentations no matter what you claim and I am sure others both active in the forums and readers will agree with that.

EP
10/5/2014 08:16:59 am

Lest we forget...

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t25433/

"Third International Conference On Authentic History And The First Amendment"

Some of our speakers will include:

-Nina Renfrew on the continuing genocide of the people of Iraq.
-Scott Walter & Richard Nielsen on the amazing Kensington Rune Stone.
-Rabbi Yisroel Weiss and others describe the bloody Zionist movement.
-A panel of experts ask the tough questions and give you answers about 9-11.
-Dale Crowley will discuss the Christian origins of the First Amendment.
-Michael McLaughlin uncovers suppressed post- WWII Allied atrocities.
-Hans Schmidt, a German veteran of WWII, sets the historical record
straight.
-Populist favorite Eustace Mullins among the 9-11 panel.
-Jurgen Graf, Fredrick Toben and Russ Granata reveal their latest
findings about the Holocaust.

Only Me
10/4/2014 04:46:07 pm

1) Hypocrisy, near-racist comments and lies exposed

2) Phil declares innocence

*DISSOCIATION*

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/4/2014 04:58:58 pm

I have known Scott Wolter as a personal friend and professional colleague for 25+ years …

He is is not a "Nazi" of any sort, "neo-" or otherwise … nor am I …

(1) Resisted interrogation …

(2) Inquisitor declares *victory* …


Only Me
10/4/2014 05:17:31 pm

1) Hypocrisy, near-racist comments, lies and slander exposed

2) Phil declares innocence

*DISSOCIATION*

Matt Mc
10/5/2014 09:55:29 am

Funny thing is nowhere has anyone claimed that either you or Wolter is a Nazi or Neo-Nazi.

People have proven that Wolter associates with Nazis, this association is most likely only in a for profit/exposure thing for Wolter and the only thing to be taken from it is questionable ethics.

Also despite admitting that you (Phil) have gone to a Nazi rally no one has claimed that you are a Nazi or Neo-Nazi. People have claimed and shown that you have been known to demonstrate questionable comments and responses that fit a pattern of a person that display racists attitudes, however no direct claim was made to you being a racist.

So not sure why you keep insisting that you and Wolter are not Nazis or Neo-Nazis no one claimed that either of you are.

All it seems to present is that you and your good friend and colleague of 25 years are birds of a feather and both have done things in public (or in your case on this forum) that brings into question your ethics.

As asked before why should someone take your defense of Wolter at face value as you present it when you have shown that your own view of the world and ethical thinking appears to be corrupt?

And that is not a question present or based in a integrative manner rather it is presented in an attempt to clear up some questions your comments have brought up. You know a discussion of the facts as have been presented something you say you welcome.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/5/2014 12:18:11 pm

Matt Mc (whoever you are) …

See … You have a habit of deliberately relentlessly misrepresenting what others say and/or do …

E.g. … I have NEVER "attended a Nazi rally" … NEVER …
When I was a high school student -- out of curiosity -- I attended a (very boring) speech given by George Lincoln Rockwell … It WASN'T a "rally" of any kind …

Why do you go out of your way to invent to invent such lies … ??? Just for *kicks* … ??? … as an attempt to *flame* … ???

That kind of intentional false and misleading nonsense is TYPICAL of these Wolter bashing blog spots ...

Matt Mc
10/5/2014 03:02:33 pm

Phil,

I do not understand why you wonder who I am and why you feel the need to add the whoever you are,

As for the rally part sorry about that you are correct I should of said speech and I am sorry for the misrepresentation of that. As I said I do not think you or you're long time friend of 25 years are Nazis or Neo Nazis just to be clear I also do not think your friend is a racist nor for you that matter despite what statements you have made. I do think you have tried to use racial attacks to empower yourself just as you feel the need to add (who ever you are) at the end of a name. I do think you like to avoid real questions and lack a true sense of ethics and general respect, something I find very unbecoming of someone who claims to be a man of the cloth.

Now you still have not answered the question so I will ask it again, and again it is not ment to come across as an interrogation but rather a question to help in better understanding your reason for coming here and saying and acting the way you do.

Why should someone take your defense of Wolter at face value as you present it when you have shown that your own view of the world and ethical thinking appears to be corrupt?

And I would like to add a second one.

Why should anyone care if you are Wolter's friend and what does that have to do with the real fact that Wolter himself has chosen to make relationships with groups as a presenter and quest that asks people to question his ethics?

Again neither question is not ment to be confrontational or interrogative but rather asked to better understand your position and purpose. And before you answer we are aware that you are Wolters friend and professional colleague of 25 years and you find him to be a good person and someone who tells the truth 99% of the time.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/5/2014 03:17:03 pm

Matt Mc (whoever you are) …

Wow … Straightforward honesty … I can deal with that …

I am Scott Wolter's personal friend and professional colleague, so I can and do publicly speak of him and his public work from that (my) perspective and direct personal experience …

I am NOT Scott Wolter's publicist or agent or supervisor, so I decline to make any public comments -- either critical or supportive -- about matters that do not concern ME, as to any other of Scott's acquaintances or associations, of which I do NOT have direct personal knowledge … IOW, I eschew gossip ...

Matt Mc
10/5/2014 03:34:45 pm

Phil,

I have never been anything but straight forward and honest in my interactions with you. I did make a mistake about the rally thing and after I went back and read the original statement I apologized for my error, its what adults do.

What should anyone care if you are a friend of Wolter? And how does acting in a manner of questionable ethics stand in Wolters defense?

Honestly I am not sure what you are even really defending when it comes to Wolter, he is a grown man and has chosen his path. He chooses to make the statements he does, work with the people he does, and to make some of the more weird obscure claims he does and well at least he owns them. So I am not sure what needs defending, he has chosen his public persona and he seems to like it. It is no one fault but his own that it can reflect negatively upon him.

I am sure he is a nice guy, I never doubted that and well after all you time repeating and raving about him all it seems like you have ever said is just that. So what is your point?

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/5/2014 03:46:43 pm

Matt Mc (whoever you are) …

My "point" re: Scott Wolter remains what it always has been (quite without any "raving," but as a simple declarative statement):

I have been Scott Wolter's personal friend and professional colleague for 25+ years, and as such, I know him as a person who is essentially honest and of good character ...

Matt Mc
10/5/2014 04:02:14 pm

So basically we are to take the word of a person who was shown and demonstrated a lack of respect and ethical decisions in dealing with people that Wolter is a good person.


See that is where the problem lies, your persona (whomever you are)here is that of a person who lacks even in the most basic interactions the ability to show others respect so why would you tell the truth about Wolter.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/5/2014 04:10:39 pm

Matt Mc (whoever you are) --

Oh, no … of course ... I don't expect you to just roll*over and "take my word for it" re: the basic honesty and good character of my friend and colleague, Scott Wolter …

But … I know what I know, and know whom I know … *whatever* ...

Matt Mc
10/6/2014 03:35:28 am

Thanks for clearing that up so there is absolutely no reason anyone should take what you say has any real value or merit.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/4/2014 05:00:48 pm

I must say … this bunch is *interesting* ...

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EP
10/4/2014 05:40:03 pm

...unlike that Nazi rally you went to, right? ;)

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Only Me
10/5/2014 05:35:47 pm

The World According to Phil Gotsch

Criticism = gossip
Misrepresentation/distortion of what others say, intentionally false accusations, lies, near-racist comments and slander = defending a friend
Proof of the above = bullying/interrogation

"I am NOT Scott Wolter's publicist or agent or supervisor, so I decline to make any public comments -- either critical or supportive -- about matters that do not concern ME, as to any other of Scott's acquaintances or associations, of which I do NOT have direct personal knowledge … IOW, I eschew gossip ..."

However, your comments contradict the above statement, and you have demonstrated you are willing to engage in the aforementioned questionable tactics for the sake of being disruptive. You are also one of the three individuals that forced Jason to amend the comment policy, based on readership complaints. It hasn't stopped you from continuously showing up to drop your pants and bare your ass to everyone visiting this blog.

I find it "interesting" that for you, it's always Jason, Jason, Jason. I can even prove that, too.

From your favorite hang-out, "Scott Wolter's Apparently Non-Existent Degree", we have Mitch Wolters telling Scott, and I quote,"I hope you and your son get killed by a car driven by the producers of ancient aliens." To date, no response from you.

Josh Reeves said that Scott's father "died in a diving accident that Wolter claims was his fault" and Jason took him to task over it; we all did. Your response was a tepid "I had never heard of that guy, Reeves, until this blog post (above) … Yup, he is obviously so far OFF the fringe, his stuff is beyond any reasonable characterization ...". Where was the disdain, the passionate defense of your friend that you exhibit whenever Jason mentions Scott's name, even in passing?

Gunn went on a rant last year where he stated with false authority that Scott was going to Hell. Where was your rapid-fire defense? Nowhere to be found.

It appears your outrage is highly selective. This is yet another reason why your self-appointed crusade is an ongoing contradiction. Pretending otherwise doesn't give you the moral high ground.

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EP
10/5/2014 05:43:52 pm

Wait, ignoring Gunn is, like, never NOT to one's credit :)

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/5/2014 05:55:31 pm

"Only Me" (whoever you are) …

Ummmmm … LOL ...

I am NOT "Mitch Wolters" (whoever he is) or "Josh Reeves" (whoever he is) or "Gunn" (whoever he is) … nor have I ever met those folks … So ...

What's your bloody point … ???

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EP
10/5/2014 05:59:11 pm

What about Dickey or JaredMithrandir?

Only Me
10/5/2014 06:48:18 pm

Stupid response is stupid.

I didn't say you *were* these individuals or met them. My point is that all three said things that were vile towards Scott, but you were conspicuous by your absence. On the other hand, Jason writes an article that mentions Scott's name one time, and Holy Shit! Here comes another round of righteous indignation from Philibustering Phil! That's the fucking point.

Matt Mc
10/6/2014 01:40:34 am

I am beginning to think Phil has some reading comprehension problems, perhaps that is why his responses are so canned and generic and why he lacks basic respect.





Rev. Phil Gotsch
10/6/2014 02:55:00 am

Guys …

I DO have a life off line ...

EP
10/6/2014 05:27:07 am

All jokes aside, while I too am by no means convinced that Scott Wolter is a racist, I think it must be pointed out that we don't exactly have any evidence that he isn't one, either. (Other than the Rev double-pinkie swearing that he totally isn't one...)

I think that in light of a pattern of questionable associations with racists and racist organizations, Wolter's stance on racism is at the very least open to questioning. While we shouldn't accuse him of racism, everyone who disclaims that he is one with apparent certainty is overstating the case...

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Matt Mc
10/6/2014 05:44:24 am

agreed, but I do think he acting more on the trying to market himself to whatever audience that will listen to him, sadly the white power/diffusionist community seems to really eat it up. In Wolter's case it seems more a a ego and money thing that anything else.

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EP
10/6/2014 05:54:11 am

If I had to bet, I'd bet on what you're saying. But ask yourself this: (1) Does ego preclude one from being a racist? (2) If Wolter's behavior more indicative of someone who is at least sympathetic toward racism, or of someone who isn't?

Matt Mc
10/6/2014 06:02:46 am

and those are good questions to be asked and no clear answer can be given based on what knowledge is out there, however it is enough of a question that could lead one to speculate that he could be sympathetic to racist or certain racist groups beliefs.

Either way Wolter is walking a very fine line, one that many public figures have walked before and one misstep could lead to severe damage to public reputation. If I were to give any advice, I would say cut those ties, politely state you do not agree with those beliefs ,and then create as much public profile distance as possibly can.

EP
10/6/2014 06:05:41 am

What do you mean "no clear answer"?! Surely you see that (1) is merely rhetorical! :)

Matt Mc
10/6/2014 06:10:11 am

Of course it is rhetorical, perhaps I should of emphasized that in my response. Its not like there are examples in history of racist leaders or historians who have large egos. It all is very speculative

EP
10/6/2014 06:34:34 am

So we agree, then, that there is no good reason to deny that Scott Wolter is a racist?

Matt Mc
10/6/2014 06:56:00 am

I will only go as far to say, that I could understand how one could conclude that Wolter is a racist or is sympathetic to racist beliefs. This is wholly based on his theories and associations.




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