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Have You Seen the "History Trippers" Show Proposal?

8/3/2016

40 Comments

 
On his blog late last week, Graham Hancock announced that the paperback edition of his recent book Magicians of the Gods will be released in Britain in two weeks’ time. Hancock said that the new edition will contain an additional two chapters of material as well as an appendix covering what he says is new scientific material related to a possible Ice Age asteroid impact and an alleged lost civilization. I’m not sure what the new material is, but it apparently wasn’t persuasive enough even to tease.
Meanwhile, I wonder if you have seen the updated website for Scotty Roberts’s and John Ward’s History Trippers proposed TV series. You will likely recall the sizzle reel that the men made for the show a few years ago. Now the two men have posted a revised full proposal for their program, laying out 26 episodes of visits to familiar historical sites. The evaluation I offer below is merely my reaction to its substance and style; your mileage may vary.
 
According to the proposal, the pair intend to use their “brotherly” bond to engage in a “breathtaking, intimate” adventure to the same sites that viewers see on similar shows past and present like Expedition Unknown, America Unearthed, Digging for the Truth, and others. The sites include the usual suspects—Rosslyn Chapel, Rennes-le-Chateau, Glastonbury. The topics are familiar from other shows—Robin Hood, King Arthur, Bible mysteries. Even Burrows Cave, discussed once on America Unearthed, makes an appearance.
 
But if the proposed list of subjects is overly familiar, the aesthetics of the proposal are unfortunate. As with the sizzle reel, the proposal leans heavily into the iconography of British colonialism, though they say they are going more for Indiana Jones. We know this because the cover page literally says they are striving for “an Indiana Jones sense of adventure.” The trouble is that the two men seem to have no idea how they look. One photograph literally features the two men sitting astride jackasses while Ward, dressed in ascot and scarf, holds an umbrella over his head in bright sunshine like a strange synthesis of Tom Baker’s Fourth Doctor and Mary Poppins.
 
To be entirely honest—and I don’t mean this as a personal insult, only an observation—Roberts and Ward in their staged photographs look uncomfortably similar to Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi as their characters from the ITV/PBS sitcom Vicious.
 
I also hate the title. “Tripper” is most common in British English and sounds odd to my American ears. In Britain, it may literally mean “one who takes a pleasure trip,” but this both suggests more of a vacation than an adventure and also has the unfortunate effect of trivializing the subject matter by making it seem unimportant, the subject for a right proper jaunt, but not an expedition or an adventure. What is the purpose of this show? To investigate history, or to provide a travelogue of a vacation? It doesn’t help that colloquially “tripper” carries the meaning of “using hallucinogenic drugs” or “acting crazy,” secondary meanings in Britain but often given first in American dictionaries.
 
The only word I can use to describe the aesthetics of the image they are projecting is “twee.” The look is just wrong for the content and purpose of the show because the connotations of fussiness and peacocking contrast markedly against the supposedly rough and ready adventure described in the text. Even Giorgio Tsoukalos—no stranger to absurd outfits and glittery scarves—knows (well, learned, anyway) that you can’t wear an ascot in the field and come across as a he-man adventurer.
 
I have a hard time believing that a TV network here in the United States would be able to find an audience for such iconography, but with the growing number of cable channels and their ever-smaller audiences, it isn’t as impossible as it might have been 10 or 15 years ago.
 
More troublesome is that pair’s plans to turn their history road trip into a supernatural quest for what they describe as “real” occult underworld forces. To that end, they plan to include Chris Conway, a self-proclaimed psychic medium from British TV, to provide a “spiritual” evaluation of historical sites. Their exploration will include an evaluation of what they somewhat ungrammatically call “esoterics, magicks, occultist and hermetic practices.”
 
The proposal also contains some deceptive descriptions of Roberts’s and Ward’s credentials. It says that Roberts had formal education in seminary, which is technically true though it is my understanding that he did not graduate. It also describes John Ward as “Dr.” even though his alleged doctorate came from a Knights Templar fan club in Great Britain and is not accredited. The proposal describes both men as historians, which is OK insofar as there is no formal qualification to take that label. Ward is described as an “Egyptologist, archaeologist and anthropologist,” though his claims to those titles are only through the work he does as an assistant to his wife, who holds those titles through formal education and training. I’m not sure why credential inflation is so prevalent among fringe historians, but such is life.
40 Comments
Scott Hamilton
8/3/2016 11:50:51 am

I wonder what the point of a Burrows Cave episode would be, if they can't film in the cave. I'm surprised anyone would bother after the America Unearthed episode.

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DaveR
8/3/2016 12:12:23 pm

Looks to me like a couple of more guys trying to get a TV show so they can get paid to travel the world having fun.

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Only Me
8/3/2016 12:49:47 pm

My only complaint? Why can't these shows visit sites that aren't already well-trodden from prior efforts? Unless something new is being brought forward, it's all familiar territory.

Hancock may be introducing new material in the paperback edition, but it still doesn't follow that a comet/asteroid impact is evidence of a lost civilization.

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David Bradbury
8/4/2016 03:14:25 am

There are no sites that aren't already well trodden. What do you expect, an entire Bronze Age village mysteriously destroyed and abandoned overnight?

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Only Me
8/4/2016 07:53:26 am

No, David. I expect new shows to give me something new. We've already had multiple journeys to Stonehenge, the pyramids of Egypt, the sites Jason mentioned above, etc. It's the same stopovers from the fringe's list of old favorites.

David Bradbury
8/4/2016 08:39:03 am

Sorry, that joke misfired- BBC just showed a fascinating documentary about an entire Bronze Age village mysteriously destroyed and abandoned overnight (which happened to be a lake village, so everything collapsed into the water and was preserved in the sediment, right down to the fine textiles and the food in the hastily-abandoned cooking pots).
http://www.mustfarm.com/

Only Me
8/4/2016 08:46:39 am

Well, shit. That's what I get for reading and replying before my first cup of coffee!

I'll check out that link. Thanks!

DaveR
8/4/2016 09:15:26 am

That Bronze Age site is amazing.

Bill Birkland
8/7/2016 12:33:45 pm

Entire lakeside villages and towns have been destroyed and abandoned within historic times. For example, there is Villa Epecuén, Argentina, in which was submerged under Lake Epecuen as a result of an abrupt rise in lake level when the climate turned abruptly wetter. Changes in precipitation and / or evaporation oftens causes abrupt changes in lake levels. In addition, prehistoric Native American villages were flooded and preserved by burial as the result of tilting caused glacial isostatic adjustment along Lake Champlain in Vermont. Other villages were flooded and buried when the rivers were temporarily blocked abruptly by landslides or gradually by glacial isostatic uplift of their dwonstream segments. There is nothing unusual about villages being submerged by natural changes in lake levels.

tm
8/3/2016 01:19:10 pm

From the History Trippers website:
"Scotty Roberts and John Ward, while seeking stories of adventure, historical mystery and unexplained phenomena for their publication, Intrepid Magazine, take the viewer on a visually stunning expedition to historical and archaeological sites in various exotic locales around the world, crisscrossing the connectivities in cultures through the ages, delving the historical significance, the monarchs and nobity (sic) of antiquity, exploring the cultural changes and the alternative and paranormalist aspects."

Do they still run that contest for the worst first sentence in a novel?

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lurkster
8/3/2016 01:29:55 pm

A couple of crazy brits, doing a travelogue of American vacation spots in "tripper' mode to see oft visited spots by elementary school kids on field trips?

Gee, that sounds an awful lot like the new Ozzy & Jack's World Detour show on the History channel. Except the Osbourne show has actual intended humor and a surprising twist - it's not as horrible as the trailers made it seem (if you're like, 12y/o and grounded for the summer.)

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Kal
8/3/2016 01:58:36 pm

If they invited a third person, it would be Three's Company, which had a character named Jack Tripper.

If they combined it with that pothead version of AA they could have comedy gold. I thought for a moment from the title it was going to be the stoner version. Tripping is after all stoner lingo.

Or perhaps they mean tripper as in someone who falls a lot, like in old silent films.

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expat link
8/3/2016 02:18:20 pm

FYI I reviewed the latest "Ancient Aliens" travesty.

https://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2016/07/ancient-aliens-continues-its-mission-to.html

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Sticker
8/3/2016 02:30:02 pm

Why can't we have funky and interesting shows about actual archaeology? Britain had "Time Team," which went on successfully for 200+ episodes. It was legitimate AND fun. Why, TV, why?!

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David Bradbury
8/5/2016 02:06:24 pm

It may be pertinent to note that the UK overnight audience figure for Tuesday's above-mentioned BBC documentary about a Bronze Age village was 901,000.

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Tom
8/3/2016 03:20:50 pm

In Britain the term tripper is usually used as in Daytripper.
These "historians" probably use it in the way they do just to give the audience a sense of a very short pleasant visit to mildly interesting places.
Incidentally, they will find Glastonbury a washout and would be better employed reading John Cowper Powys huge novel the Glastonbury Romance to their audience......or perhaps they have already thought of doing this.

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David Bradbury
8/3/2016 05:13:00 pm

Glastonbury a washout?
It only rains there in June, well known fact.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
8/3/2016 03:53:40 pm

Call a spade a spade here, guys want someone else to pay for their vacation. Personally I'm not against it, I indirectly subsidized Josh Gates going on vacation for years, but I expect something for it. I'm just dubious about Ward and Roberts can deliver that.

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Clete
8/3/2016 04:18:15 pm

Looked at the site and it was hilarious. I mean, they travel around the world, together, without their wives. Posing for pictures, they look like a couple I knew years ago, Sam and Jerry, the gay travelers.

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Judith Bennett
8/3/2016 04:48:06 pm

Ward calls himself an academic and scholar? As I recall, the man has no formal education beyond the high school level.

As for their aesthetic, well, if television doesn't work out, they could always try their hands at rap, and perhaps battle Mr. B or Professor Elemental...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiRPBCiJg2c

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Rotty Scoberts
8/3/2016 05:19:20 pm

Neither Ward nor Roberts has an education beyond high school. Roberts attended a fundie Baptist bible college that wasn't accredited, dropped out and that was that. Ward is nothing more than a scuba diving instructor who married an archaeologist.

Oh. lets not forget the two of them have some troubling ideas. Ward is an occultist and apparently a bit of a neo-nazi type, judging by Jason's expose of him elsewhere on this site, where Ward used the SS ring as his corporate logo.

And Jason also exposed the Christian Identity roots of Roberts' ideas about Noah. lol

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Uncle Ron
8/3/2016 05:03:05 pm

Absolutely fabulous!

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TheBigMike
8/3/2016 10:36:41 pm

No, that was a different British shown. A terrible attempt at a comedy about two drunken women who don't do anything. THIS show will be a terrible comedy about two gay men taking day trip to different sights and spouting uneducated nonsense. Probably while drunk. So... not too different, I can see how you would make that mistake.

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DaveR
8/4/2016 08:11:42 am

Oh now, Sweety Darling, you're just being nasty.

TheBigMike
8/4/2016 12:13:21 pm

Lol... maybe to AbFab...

DaveR
8/4/2016 12:58:27 pm

I'm glad you got the joke.

Tandemcross
8/4/2016 07:25:59 am

Haha... I remember that vid... I believe I left a comment on it making fun of them for looking like The Ambiguously Gay Indiana Jones Duo.

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Jb
8/4/2016 07:31:36 am

It is galling that it took me 9 years of studying and research to be comfortable in my abilities and knowledge to call myself an historian (that's an MA, Masters, and PhD). These charlatans have the audacity to call themselves historians and then the gullibility and desperation of similar idiots allows them a platform to spread their moronic ramblings!

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SPG
8/4/2016 09:09:33 am

Agreed. Why on earth did I go through the blood, sweat and tears of an archaeology PhD when I could have just bought one. Silly me.

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E.P. Grondine
8/4/2016 03:09:52 pm

Hi SPG -

Why?

Probably for all the pizza and beer during the summer field school excavations.

It is clear that education is not a requirement for making television shows.

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Jb
8/5/2016 02:21:07 am

It would seem that it is positively discouraged.

DaveR
8/5/2016 08:08:44 am

All of these shows are produced with ratings and advertising revenue in mind. The producers and the network executives don't care how accurate or factual the statements made by the various personalities are, so long as the programs get decent ratings and generate money for the network.

As a result, the personalities don't need advanced degrees, rather, they need to be what they are, personalities. I think that's the reason why Giorgio's hair and attire gets more outrageous as the seasons of AA progress.

Jean
8/8/2016 04:02:53 pm

I'm always a little surprised how snarky, arrogant and holier than thou some of you can be. Saucers of milk all around -- I find your attitudes and your remarks very like old ladies in a knitting circle. Do any of you ever have any fun? Lighten up.

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Rotty Scoberts
8/8/2016 06:17:25 pm

Wellllll...hello Scotty Roberts (under a fake name, of course)!

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Jean link
8/8/2016 07:12:19 pm

Rotty Scoberts...unlike you, I have the courage to use my real name.I don't go around posting snide comments to make myself feel elevated or compete to leave a nastier comment than the one before. I would take the company of these two fun loving friends over anyone in this comment section. While everyone is allowed the right to an opinion...one does not in my opinion have the right to rip people to shreds--and you might ask yourself why you do it in this manner. Are you a bully of sorts in real life too, or do you anonymously stalk web page comment sections and leave nastyiness for your jollies? Frankly, I can't see how any of you have any real friendships--you seem to be short on humility and enjoy far too much making sport of others. History Trippers will be great fun for me and I anxiously await seeing my friends at the sites...fun times. Were you thinking these two men have no friends? If you were under such an assumption then you are delusional. I admire Jason's intelligence and his research methods-- but in my opinion...much of what he writes is ignored by people such as myself--because of the poison pen vitriol it is served up with. I don't frequent this blog often for that reason and if one were to judge it by the comments left..not many with civility do. You can find me on Facebook or on Twitter. https://twitter.com/jeansteeley https://www.facebook.com/jean.judy2

Clete
8/9/2016 12:53:57 am

Do not worry. If they show up at the same places you do, you can be certain they will not cast loving glances your way. They seem to only have eyes for each other. Love and kisses.

Rotty Scoberts
8/9/2016 10:35:37 am

Well Jean, I can say this much; you obviously are talking to Roberts about your posts here, since your whining about not posting under our real names is patented Scotty Roberts fare.

And yes, the two screwballs have friends, but that circle is getting smaller every day due to their lies and manipulations. I can name 3 former supporters of Roberts who are no longer friends with him due to some not so honest claims.

Tell Scotty to come here and speak for himself rather than sending his few pals left to carry his water for him. That is if he isn't too busy hunting ghosts in the woods with his boyfriend...err...partner...err...companion...well you get the point.

Rotty Scoberts
8/9/2016 10:35:57 am

Well Jean, I can say this much; you obviously are talking to Roberts about your posts here, since your whining about not posting under our real names is patented Scotty Roberts fare.

And yes, the two screwballs have friends, but that circle is getting smaller every day due to their lies and manipulations. I can name 3 former supporters of Roberts who are no longer friends with him due to some not so honest claims.

Tell Scotty to come here and speak for himself rather than sending his few pals left to carry his water for him. That is if he isn't too busy hunting ghosts in the woods with his boyfriend...err...partner...err...companion...well you get the point.

Only Me
8/9/2016 03:50:49 am

Well, Jean, I'm glad you don't frequent this blog. You complain of snarky, arrogant, holier-than-thou attitudes while displaying one of your own.

Yes, you sure are a fun-loving gal, what with the way you assert none of us have friends and lack both humility and civility. I bet you're a barrel of laughs!

Oh, and Jean? I have had a lengthy conversation with Scotty on this very blog. He thanked me for being fair, polite and respectful. It helps to load your brains before shooting off your mouth.

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DaveR
8/9/2016 08:22:17 am

"I don't go around posting snide comments to make myself feel elevated or compete to leave a nastier comment than the one before."

In truth, Jean, your initial comment was snide and written in a manner to make yourself appear above all the other posters here, so you might want to take a good, long, lingering look in the mirror and think about how you just made yourself look.

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