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Heinrich Himmler and the Ancient High Technology of the Lost Civilization of the Norse Gods

7/17/2018

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​Yesterday, U.S. president Donald J. Trump met with Russian president Vladimir V. Putin in Helsinki for a controversial summit denounced by Republicans and Democrats alike. In advance of the summit, members of an anti-immigrant organization known as the Soldiers of Odin, whose leader is a self-described Neo-Nazi convicted of a hate crime, knelt before Trump banners in a show of deference to the American leader. The anti-immigrant hate group was founded in Finland in 2015 to intimidate immigrants, and it now boasts chapters in Anglophone countries, including the United States, Canada, Australia, and the U.K. Although the organization denies being racist or Neo-Nazi, studies by the Southern Poverty Law Center and Finland’s Yle public broadcaster found that its members were predominantly white supremacists and supporters of the extreme right.
​The use of Norse pagan imagery—the god Odin in this case—as a symbol of white culture in opposition to largely nonwhite immigrants is reminiscent of Nazi efforts to revive Germanic paganism, a close cousin of Norse paganism, as an alternative to Christianity more acceptable to National Socialism.
 
This caught my eye because I spent this past weekend making some revisions that the editors of All About History requested for my article about Hitler’s wonder weapons. In doing so, I came across an unusual quotation from Heinrich Himmler, the head of the SS, in which articulated the exact type of argument that ancient astronaut theorists and lost civilization speculators now routinely make about pagan mythology.
 
In May 1940, Himmler commissioned a study of depictions of Thor’s hammer in “Aryan” art in order to determine whether the weapon, and similar armaments held by other gods, was something more than a magical piece of myth-making. He had come to believe that Thor’s power involved “not natural thunder and lightning but rather a case of earlier, highly developed weapons possessed by only a few, namely by the Aesir, the gods, and presuming an extraordinary knowledge of electricity.” It sounds too science fictional to be real, but this was actually written by Himmler himself in a letter sent to Walter Wüst, the head of the Ahnenerbe and recorded in the Kriegstagbuch Kommandostab Reichsführer-SS, currently held in the U.S. National Archives among Himmler’s papers seized at the end of World War II.
 
Himmler’s idea sounds strikingly like something you’d hear today on Ancient Aliens, and indeed, it actually is something that was on Ancient Aliens in 2013, and also on True Monsters, when both shows alleged that Thor’s hammer was actually a piece of high technology wielded by entities masquerading as gods.
 
It was hard for me not to compare this to Erich von Däniken’s infamous description of the Ark of the Covenant in Chariots of the Gods, which he similarly imagined as a piece of high technology demonstrating amazing knowledge of electricity: “When passing cattle shook and threatened to overturn the Ark, Uzzah grabbed hold of it. He fell dead on the spot, as if struck by lightning. Undoubtedly the Ark was electrically charged! If we reconstruct it today according to the instructions handed down by Moses, a voltage of several hundred volts is produced.” It is probably only a coincidence that Chariots was heavily edited and rewritten by Wilhelm “Utze” Utermann, under the penname Wilhelm Roggersdorff. Utermann had been a Nazi party journalist who edited the Hitler Youth magazine.
 
One might reasonably wonder how it is that Heinrich Himmler stumbled onto an ancient astronaut claim decades before the ancient astronaut theory came to prominence. The easy answer is that he borrowed heavily from Theosophy, with its claims of extraterrestrial gods, and from the Atlantis theories of Ignatius Donnelly, and from assorted other science fiction claims. The real answer is a little more complicated. It does, indeed, involve these influences, but it is grounded in a literal reading of the Eddas, which Himmler took to be a true and pretended were an accurate record of ancient Aryan migrations from Central Asia to northern Europe.
 
In the prologue to the Prose Edda, composed by Snorri Sturlson as a Christianized compendium of Norse myths, we learn that the Norse gods were actually human beings, princes who were born in ancient Troy and who migrated across Europe when the Greeks destroyed their city. Here is how Snorri described the birth of Thor, the god we are most interested in here: “One king among them was called Múnón or Mennón; and he was wedded to the daughter of the High King Priam, her who was called Tróán; they had a child named Trór, whom we call Thor.” Snorri operated in the tradition of Euhemerus, turning the gods into mortal men, kings of old, in order to make them more acceptable to his audience.
 
Himmler therefore had it in his mind that the Norse gods were ancient Aryan kings—he called them “the earliest Aryans” and though they contained the pure “essence” of Aryanism—and their weapons were therefore actually high technology from the prehistoric Aryan homeland, the one Himmler kept trying to find in Atlantis, Thule, and Tibet.
 
Although Himmler’s specific idea did not survive him, strangely enough, something of it finds an echo in one of the most influential fringe history books of the twentieth century. In Morning of the Magicians, Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier provided one of the first popular accounts of Himmler’s Ahnenerbe and its occult investigations into ancient history. Their account helped inspire later writers to take the group’s twisting of history seriously, even though the authors themselves did not. While they did not discuss Thor or his hammer in the context of the Ahnenerbe, they did mention him in discussing the allegation that the Gobi Desert had been nuked in ancient times, pushing the ancient Aryans out of central Asia and into Northern Europe about three or four thousand years ago. “The Scandinavian god Thor,” they wrote, “is supposed to have been one of the heroes of this migration.”
 
Although they do not identify their source, they are describing a bizarre French pseudohistorical claim from the late 1800s revolving around the imaginary homeland of the Aryans, Agartha, which was derived from Asgard by Alexandre Saint-Yves d’Alveydre and place in the Himalayas—the putative home of the Aryan race in Nazi theory and a number of other white supremacist ideologies. In time, he moved it under the earth when it became obvious that it didn’t exist on the well-documented surface of the planet. Anyway, later writers, specifically Ferdynand Ossendowski, popularized it, and Theodore Illion alleged that he had visited the place in travelogues published in 1930s Germany from Nazi presses. At times it was a lost city, a massive occult university, the home of Theosophical Ascended Masters and the Great White Brotherhood, and any number of other fantasies. Depending on whom you ask, it might be located beneath anywhere from the Himalayas to the Gobi. This (fake) esoteric tradition, allegedly of Buddhist origin, served to ennoble the emerging idea of a Proto-Indo-European homeland by imagining it not as the plains patrolled by itinerant herders but as the capital of a civilization befitting the world’s master race.
 
The direct source for Pauwels and Bergier, however, was Maurice Doreal, who took these ideas, along with a heavy dose of H. P. Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos, and repackaged them in a pamphlet in the late 1940s called “Mysteries of Gobi,” which alleged that an underground civilization once lived beneath the Gobi and had been destroyed by a nuclear weapon. Oh, and the inhabitants of this civilization were snake-men.
 
Pauwels and Bergier went on to inspire Erich von Däniken, who was forced to admit as much when the publisher of the former threatened to sue that of the latter if they didn’t get proper acknowledgement for the material that von Däniken borrowed from them. Although the path from Himmler to von Däniken was not direct, the same core components—ancient gods were flesh and blood beings, ancient weapons were high technology, etc.—came together more than once among people drawing on the same building blocks, coming to similar results.
33 Comments
Scott Hamilton
7/17/2018 09:43:17 am

Mysteries of the Gobi sounds pretty interesting. Is it in English?

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Jason Colavito link
7/17/2018 10:14:16 am

Yes, but I wasn't going to pay $8 for a reprint.

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AMERICANINJA
7/17/2018 10:39:26 am

Where can I get your Cult Of Alien Gods book for less than $60+?
Don't wanna Kindle etc etc.

Scott David Hamilton
7/17/2018 01:34:45 pm

There’s a couple places I’ll check around a Chicago to see if I can find an original. It might not be too expensive, if it’s post 1945.

Racist
7/17/2018 12:29:37 pm

It is interesting that other races can be openly racist, but it is prohibited to the white race.

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vonmazur
7/17/2018 06:04:51 pm

Yep....Seems to be the norm. I would advise against anything from the so called SPLC....No law and no poverty there, just making money from their donors and other sources.

Is this site completely ethnocentric all the time? Why is that? Why not a denunciation of Afrocentric theories, or Asiatic racism, there are lots of other racists around the globe, all with all the usual theories of why they are the best race....

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Jason Colavito link
7/17/2018 06:49:23 pm

I did a whole series about Ivan Van Sertima's Afrocentrism a few years ago, along with the 1920s theories about West African voyages to America.

I regularly cover Hindu nationalist fringe history in India, and I also did a report about Chinese claims about Zheng He and southeast Asian claims about Roman temples in the Khmer territory.

But I live in the United States, so the dominant streams in fringe history here take up the most time.

An Anonymous Nerd
7/17/2018 07:01:57 pm

[ I would advise against anything from the so called SPLC]

Including their labeling the New Black Panther Party and Black Nationalist groups generally as hate groups, as I cited above? Good to know.

[Is this site completely ethnocentric all the time? Why is that? Why not a denunciation of Afrocentric theories, or Asiatic racism, there are lots of other racists around the globe, all with all the usual theories of why they are the best race.... ]

A bizarre accusation.

Mention of Hindu Creationism here:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-8-million-year-old-norristown-inscription

and here:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/creationists-attack

and here:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/on-the-rhetoric-of-anti-elitism-in-fringe-history-and-right-wing-politics

Afrocentrism:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/afrocentrism-and-the-aztec-calendar

and here:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/afrocentrism-ancient-astronauts-and-black-sea-africans

Granted those aren't the focus. I can't speak for Mr. Colavito, but I can make a great guess as to why that is.

I think it's because Mr. Colavito lives in the United States of America and for the most part addresses stuff that's particularly-relevant to that county and its Fringe History. (Example: The show "Ancient Aliens.") And, in that country, it's the White Supremacist Fringe and Right Wing Fringe that's most-dominant, popular, and well-funded. So therefore it's those topics that to him seem to be the most-important to address and which garners him the biggest audience.

Finally, regarding Afrocentric Fringe History, something I've noticed over the years is that it's basically the same as White-centric Fringe History. Whereas White Fringe folks see aliens or a long-lost White civilization, Black Fringe folks see a long-lost Black civilization.

Therefore, there's an important degree to which once you've debunked one, you've debunked the other by default, whether you say so explicitly or not. Especially if you subscribe to the notion, as I do, that you can debunk the Fringe by pointing to a good, rational, evidence-based explanation for whatever the topic is.

-An Anonymous Nerd

An Anonymous Nerd
7/17/2018 06:48:01 pm

[It is interesting that other races can be openly racist, but it is prohibited to the white race. ]

I take you to mean that it's socially acceptable for non-White hate groups, presumably who target White people.

That's really the only thing you can mean in context.

I can debunk this with reference to just two quick examples, both from a group, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) your friend who posted below doesn't like. (I'll address him or her shortly.)

One, here's the SPLC referring to the New Black Panther Party as a hate group.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/new-black-panther-party

Two, here's the SPLC highlighting Black Nationalism groups generally as hate groups.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/black-nationalist

So when you say "other races can be openly racist," which I take to mean that it's socially allowed and not criticized openly? I can clearly debunk that. And I just have.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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V
7/17/2018 07:27:11 pm

Honestly, how openly racist any given group can be varies from place to place and time to time. Right now it very much seems like whites in the US can be openly racist whenever they feel like--if they weren't free to be openly racist, there wouldn't BE so much visible backlash. Go to Japan and whites can't be so openly racist but oh, the Japanese can! In China, it's the Chinese.

Funny, isn't it? Almost like the dominant group in any given political entity can be as racist as they want against anyone else...

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Doc
7/17/2018 12:53:48 pm

It is quite interesting, at least from a historical perspective, that an anti-immigrant white supremacist group that originated in Finland is now operating in the U.S. In the early 20th century the Finns were perceived by some here as quite the problem group for reasons ranging from the racial to the political.

Just the name Soldiers of Odin sounds kinda cool in a biker gang chic sort of way. I wonder how many members of Soldiers of Odin tuned in faithfully to the series Sons of anarchy while it was on TV?


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americanegro
7/17/2018 02:35:15 pm

"In the early 20th century the [fill in the blank] were perceived by some here as quite the problem group for reasons ranging from the racial to the political."

Finland was the only country to beat the Soviet Union in a war for quite some time, arguably ever. Of course that was before they became "our sworn enemy" plain old Russia.

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Doc Rock
7/17/2018 03:10:29 pm

Irrelevant

Quite shaky. Will leave that to the military history buffs though

But considering that we could have potentially been subjected to a lecture on which of the two nations is currently the most popular vacation spot for pedophiles I guess this is an improvement.

I'm in a rustic mood today. Think its time for a couple Pabst Blue Ribbons.

Sorry, a brief relapse. From now on I promise I will ignore him.


Americanegro
7/17/2018 04:06:07 pm

Not shaky at all, widely known.

"But considering that we could have potentially been subjected to a lecture on which of the two nations is currently the most popular vacation spot for pedophiles I guess this is an improvement."

Yeah, right, I'm the problem because I read the newspaper.

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7/17/2018 01:51:56 pm

What does being a neo-nazi mean these days? Hitler was a national socialist. Is every nationalist and socialist therefore a neo-nazi until the end of times.

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An Anonymous Nerd
7/17/2018 07:29:55 pm

Let's see here...

"Nazi" refers to a political movement and political party from Germany in the 1920s through the 1940s. While the name is short for "National Socialist," there wasn't really much "Socialist" about their political program. They took the name (popular at the time) and had an implied critique of Capitalism and that was about it. The "Nationalist" part was pretty much their focus. They came to focus on Jews as the racial and cultural enemy of the "Master Race" they believed their own ethnicity to be, with catastrophic results. They also were, despite Pat Buchanan's attempts to argue to the contrary, responsible for the Second World War.

So for part of your question: "Is every nationalist and socialist therefore a Neo-Nazi until the end of times." The "Socialist" part is a definite no. I also don't think that every "Nationalist" is a Neo-Nazi either. I think it's more particular than that.

"Neo" of course is Latin for "New," so the term actually, quite simply, refers to those who are from the present day but politically identify with Nazism. Literally "New Nazis." Sad to say there's plenty of them in the United States, and they have proved problematic of late.

The American Ku Klux Klan, for example, might ally with Neo-Nazis or have crossover members but they aren't quite the same thing, just related. I also am unaware of anyone who considers "Russian Nationalists" to be Neo-Nazis but they do indeed appear to exist.

I'd go for identification with the Nazis as the defining characteristics, and folks should recognize that Neo-Nazism is not the only reprehensible, racist ideology that poses a problem to the United States and its ideals.

Kenneth Hoover's "Ideology and Political Life" is a good source to use. (Especially note his analysis of the Nazi belief system on page 155. You'll see there's not much Socialism, if any, in it.)

Also see here:

https://www.newsweek.com/nazis-democrats-socialists-alt-right-650572

and here:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

both sites consult experts and cite sources, whereas their critics mostly just over-react to the fact that the word "Socialist" is in the name.

I hope that helps.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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V
7/17/2018 07:33:03 pm

Actually, there are numerous discussions as to what constitutes "Neo-Nazi," and it's not hard to find a fairly uniform definition that is not nearly as broad as "nationalist and socialist." Generally speaking, it's more synonymous with "white supremacist," sometimes with "Holocaust denial" added in, and sometimes with "veneration of the Third Reich" thrown in instead or in addition to Holocaust denial.

A simple Google search told me this much. Perhaps you should try that next time. Unless, of course, YOU are of that affiliation and are pulling the well-known rhetorical technique of obfuscation.

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Riley V
7/17/2018 10:37:48 pm

I’ll admit is can get confusing, especially if you only read Am Ren or Breitbart.

I remember it this was:

National Socialists are Socialists, it says so in the name.

The People’s Republic of China are Republicans, it says so in the nene.

The Islamic Republic of Iran are Religious Republicans, it says so right in the name.

The United Nations is made up of Nationalists, it says so right in the name.


/sarcasm off.

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Aaa
7/18/2018 03:43:06 am

Does being against uncontrolled immigration make one a neo-nazi? I do not see how being against immigration makes one a “white supremacist”.

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AAA
7/18/2018 04:21:00 am

Would also say that being against uncontrolled immigration does not mean one hates someone. It is just about preserving your own culture and way of life.

An Anonymous Nerd
7/18/2018 08:28:00 pm

This is an insincere question, because the Soldiers of Odin aren't really having this kind of policy debate. Further, while I suppose some might favor unrestricted immigration into, say, the United States or Canada, that's not really what's being debated here.

The Soldiers of Odin are not subtle as to their racist intentions.

Here is their writeup by the Anti-Defamation League.

https://www.adl.org/resources/profiles/soldiers-of-odin-usa

Here is a video about them in Canada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9NdN4a6D_g&pbjreload=10

It notes how they align themselves with other racist groups.

Here is the Facebook page of their USA branch.

https://www.facebook.com/Soldiers-of-Odin-USA-187223598303003/

Finally I note the irony of using a Viking God to oppose Muslim immigration into the West. The Vikings almost destroyed the very Western Culture that their would-be successors claim to want to protect. Their raids are well-documented.

And, importantly, the Vikings used to enslave Western Europeans. Some of their victims were sold in....the Muslim countries! Yep you read that right. I first realized this when I read a few books some years ago about the slave trade in the Muslim countries during the Dark Ages and the Medieval period. Also Google the phrase vikings slave trade with muslim countries and you'll get a lot of results.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Americanegro
7/18/2018 09:38:24 pm

Anti-Defamation League? That's Meir Kahane's group right? He of the studded nunchucks? Burn in hell Meir.

You left out the part where the Vikings traded with the Arabs, for goods and crafts, and EVERYONE did slavery back in those days. Okay, maybe not everyone, I'll leave that to the local know it alls.

It sounds like you care about the Vikings enslaving Western Europeans rather than enslaving in general. Mighty white of you.

Fun fact: long before the Spanish got the idea, which was long before the Germans got the idea, England evicted all the Jews in the 1200s. Great culture. Glad the Vikings didn't mess that up.

Cesar
7/18/2018 08:42:17 pm

“National” = SS

“Socialist” = SA

The SS crushed the SA in June 30 to July 2, 1934 and the Nazi became only nationalistic.

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Machala
7/17/2018 03:39:47 pm

Very interesting Jason. Himmler's fascination with all things occult and his desire to mold the Schutzstaffel into modern Teutonic Knights is fairly well documented, but I hadn't realized how closely aligned Pauwels and Bergier were with his thinking when I read "Morning of the Magicians" many years ago.
I wonder if Frank Herbert drew his ideas for his "Dune" series from Doreal's "Mysteries of the Gobi" ?
From an historical perspective, Finland was an integral part of Sweden until 1809 and as such participated in several wars with enemy Russia. From 1809 until the Russian Revolution in 1917 it was under Tsarist Russian rule. It broke and became independent from Russia on Dec.6th 1917. The Soviet Union lost the Winter War to Finland in 1940. Today's relationship between Finland and the Russian Federation is a very prickly one. They are outspoken in their dislike of Putin and his henchmen but also openly critical of Commissar Trump and his minions.
To paraphrase Garrison Keillor, you can't trust a Finn who never takes a sauna....

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Doc Rock
7/17/2018 06:56:04 pm

Finland didnt win the winter war. The conflict was ended in a treaty in which the finns were forced to make major concessions. Even though the conflict had reached somewhat of a stalemate, it was clear that Finland couldn't withstand another major Russian offensive. So they were pressured into terms highly favorable to the soviets. It was at best a stalemate for the finns since they were able to do pretty good against a huge nation with a massive military. As such it can be viewed as somewhat of a moral victory, especially if one is Finnish or Finnish American. But in terms of an actual victory, its a big stretch.

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Machala
7/17/2018 09:38:54 pm

Moral victory sounds better to me than stalemate. I think Uncle Joe knew he was going to be too busy with those pesky Germans and didn't want to expend anymore energy on the finicky Finns. Now, those Lapplanders, on the other hand......

Doc Rock
7/17/2018 10:42:55 pm

Yeah, a final push wasn't going to be fun for the Russians and things would have gotten quite complicated when they took helsinki. So best to get the finns to sign over karalia and agree to a Russian base on their home turf and call it a day. Bigger things were about to get served on their plate.

Titus pullo
7/17/2018 10:52:03 pm

And what is forgotten is the allied Norwegian campaign was originally envisioned to deny Germany the supposed massive iron reserves in Norway and support the fins against the soviets who were nominally allies with hitler at that time. And how the American left condemned when Britain and France landed troops in Norway.

Titus pullo
7/17/2018 08:33:22 pm

And the communist party endorsed Obama. And obama wasnt a commie. Honestly waiting for u to condemn all tribalism(aka multiculturalism) and not just “white” tribalism.

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T. Franke link
7/18/2018 09:59:31 am

Please do not confuse Himmler with "the Nazis". This is not the same. On the other hand, it is true, that especially today's Neo-Nazis often show an ideology as if Himmler and not Hitler once had been the leader of the Nazi movement.

IMHO the phrase "ancient astronaut claim" is not fitting to Himmler's ideas, because Himmler just had "earthly" pseudo-scientific ideas. I cannot see any "outer space" aspect in Himmler's ideas, such as aliens who give technology to human beings. On the other hand, it is interesting to see how these aspects united at a certain point in time.

What I really find interesting, and what I had not known yet, is the Euhemerism in the Edda. I thought so far that the Edda imitates Homer's epic, yet I did not know that the Edda even tries to attach its story to Homer's epics.

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Cesar
7/18/2018 01:22:39 pm

There are people that not only believe in Nazi UFOS, but even saw them until recently. They lived in Colonia Dignidad (now Villa Baviera) in Chile, the Nazi stronghold, child molestation center and place for torture in the Pinochet era.

Along with French writer Savitri Devi (1905-1982), the Chilean diplomat, best-selling author (C. G. Jung and Hermann Hesse: A Record of Two Friendships) and ultra-Nazi Miguel Serrano (1917-2009) was the major theoretical author of these nightmares.

“R. Núñez: And the flying saucers and those forces that you allude, from where they come?

Miguel. Serrano: These forces do not come from outside. That was a technology, a science discovered at the end of the Third Reich. In the year 1938 they were already supplying the Antarctic bases. I was in Antarctica in 1947 and 1948 in search of this since I knew it. Now, that technology is made with implosion, not explosion, now we can talk about another reality. Why? With this technology you can reach the speed of light, it disintegrates, but at the same time it is a disintegration similar to television, and that does happen to another reality, but it passes to another reality integrating itself into that reality, and if we retain the powers they can be integrated into this; for this reason the discs are seen and disappear. But, that does not have anything extraordinary or extraterrestrial, it is a thing produced here, now if this existed in the past centuries, it is very possible within the eternal return, it is very possible that this is the case, and it is also very possible that in other galaxies they exist and they come, but now we are talking about the Earth.”

http://forosmp.com.ar/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?nomobile=1&f=8&t=3541

Colonia Dignidad: A Trading Post for Nazi UFOs?

“After his visit to what he certainly believed had been Hacienda Dignidad or a similar enterprise in the remote foothills of the Chilean mountains, Mattern was of the view that this place was a supply base for fresh fruit and vegetables picked up by “flying saucers”. He also felt that the colony served as a rest/recuperation and medical facility for German-staffed UFO bases further to the South like Tierra del Fuego and even Antarctica proper.”
https://rense.com/general52/dewi.htm

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/02/28/colonia-dignidad-a-trading-post-for-nazi-ufos/

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/06/return-to-friendship-island-a-south-american-conspiracy-revisited/

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Americanegro
7/18/2018 04:28:32 pm

"They lived in Colonia Dignidad (now Villa Baviera) in Chile, the Nazi stronghold, child molestation center and place for torture in the Pinochet era."

I can't believe you're trafficking in the myth of pedophiles in South America! I will now retreat to my fainting couch and if someone could bring me a diet soda that would be nice.

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Cesar
7/18/2018 08:04:15 pm

I had not related Colonia Dignidad with the ongoing crisis of pedophilia in Chile. Good point.


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