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Hominins in America 130,000 Years Ago? Plus: Vedic Voyagers to Ancient America?

4/27/2017

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​You probably saw the news that broke yesterday that a new paper in the journal Nature claims that an unknown human species occupied the Americas around 130,000 years ago and butchered a mastodon found in California with large rocks. The study used uranium-thorium dating to date the bones, which were originally discovered 25 years ago, and the team conducting the study used experimental techniques involving rocks and elephant bones to attempt to prove that the damage to the mastodon’s bones had been caused by intention butchering with stone tools. 
​This is exceptionally shocking because our species is not believed to have left Africa before 120,000 years ago, meaning that the species using the tools must have been a different member of the genus Homo—or possibly a nonhuman species that had learned to bang rocks.
 
No hominin bones were found at the site, nor any other signs of human or pre-human occupation.
 
I don’t really have much to add to this because it’s way beyond my area of expertise. National Geographic noted that many experts are unwilling to accept the claims without more evidence. Overnight, more news outlets ran reports raising questions about the claims. Several experts unconvinced that the rocks found near the mastodon are actually stone tools. As National Geographic reported:
For one, the paper doesn’t satisfyingly rule out the possibility that natural processes carried the large rocks to the scene, says Vanderbilt University archaeologist Tom Dillehay. Nor does it fully rule out the possibility that the wear patterns on the stones were a result of rocks bumping against one another in a stream, he says.
 
“When you put the total package together, there’s certainly more evidence to reject [the study] than accept it,” Dillehay says.
​Dillehay is one of the archaeologists who worked at Monte Verde, one of the most important pre-Clovis sites in the Americas. He is no stranger to breaking paradigms. My sense, for what it’s worth, is that this story will follow the trajectory of most major stories. The initial claim will be found to be overstated, and further research will either find that the uranium-thorium date was thrown off by unsuspected errors or contamination, or the stone tools aren’t actually tools. Nevertheless, it is interesting to consider whether the findings could be true, and however it shakes out the fact of the matter is that the findings received publication in a major journal and were reported around the world in the news, and therefore if nothing else serve as evidence that the scientific establishment isn’t trying to suppress the “truth.”
 
Vedic Settlement in the White City?
Meanwhile, in a different archaeological controversy, a Hindu supremacist website called Detechter ran a story claiming that the so-called White City of Honduras is actually a Vedic Indian settlement. Regular readers will recall that a team of adventurers and filmmakers claimed that an archaeological site they explored in Honduras is actually La Ciudad Blanca, a legendary lost city of white buildings and white walls whose story was first recorded in the twentieth century. The modern legend of the White City became conflated in the 1940s with a completely fictitious “Lost City of the Monkey God” first reported by Theodore Morde in 1939. Morde had claimed to have found a walled city with statues of a monkey god resembling the Hindu deity Hanuman. According to his journals, he never found any city and had made up the story for publicity.
 
The article in Detechter simply accepts that Morde’s city is La Ciudad Blanca and that both are the same city that the filmmakers explored, even though the archaeological site promoted today as La Ciudad Blanca lacks the massive stone structures and white walls visible from the air that characterize the (fake) reports of the city in the past. Consequently, the writer concludes that Morde’s comparison to Hanuman refer to an actual Vedic settlement in Honduras. The writer then adds this howler:
In the Ramayana, Kishkinda Kanda tells the story about the Trident of Peru in South America, and also about Yuddha Kanda, a war episode where Hanuman travels to Paatala Loka, somewhere in Central America and Brazil, trying to meet his son Makaradhwaja, who resembled him.
This is a bizarre claim. Many of you will recall that in Peru there is a large geoglyph called the Paracas Candelabra, dating to about 200 BCE and likely representing the lightning-trident of Viracocha. However, for the past two decades or so, Hindu extremists have claimed that the trident is actually inspired by the Ramayana, an ancient Hindu epic, in discussing the Kishkindha, a monkey-kingdom. The relevant passage occurs in Book 4, chapter 40, and is a rather big stretch:
A triple-headed palm of gold--
Meet standard for the lofty-souled--
Springs towering from the mountain's crest
Beneath whose shade he loves to rest,
So that in eastern realms each God
May use it as a measuring-rod.
(trans. Ralph T. H. Griffith)
​This is the “evidence” for the Paracas Candelabras in the Ramayana. The claim is part of an elaborate Hindu extremist reading of the Ramayana in which the epic’s mythical geography has been transposed onto the entire globe, with little more than wishful thinking and a political agenda to attribute all world cultures, from Australia to the Andes to the Aegean, to Vedic origins. I’ve found references to this claim going back at least to 1996, but I am not sure where it originated.
 
Ancient Aliens Again
And this is the reason that I wasn’t too happy with Jason Wright’s speculative article on how to look for ancient aliens in our solar system. USA Today completely misunderstood the hypothetical nature of Wright’s paper and produced this video alleging that Wright actually claimed that these ancient astronauts really existed, and they mistook to the article for an academic case for a lost alien civilization a billion years ago. Watch for it on Ancient Aliens​ any week now.
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orang
4/27/2017 10:29:18 am

Here's an article that attempts to discuss what kinds of things might be considered if doing Martian archaeology work searching for billion year old cultures:

http://ufonalyzer.blogspot.com/2012/05/martian-archaeology-and-erosion-by.html

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BigNick
4/27/2017 10:30:41 am

Oh my God, the sex apes are real!

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Shane Sullivan
4/27/2017 12:31:56 pm

That makes so much sense. Rock Vegas was famous for its sex workers.

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Weatherwax
4/27/2017 12:29:26 pm

I'd heard about the 130,000 year old site several years ago. One person connected with it, whose name I don't remember, told me the mastodon tusks were mounted in the ground forming an arch, which I don't see mentioned anywhere in the release, which if true I'd think it would be.

As it is, I was reading FB comments by an archaeologist I'm acquainted with, who was not directly involved but connected with people who are. When asked if there were any archaeologists actually involved with the work, or if they were all paleontologists, her response was "was “Arch's take off when they hit Paleo soil as well as stuck in their egos and old paradigms....” and “The NAT history museum has been finding things for years, such as fire hearths with extinct animal remains and have pretty much given up on the Archs cause most can't see beyond the old paradigms...”.

So I'm even more skeptical now.

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Weatherwax
4/27/2017 01:33:26 pm

I'm very proud to have The Natural History Museum in San Diego, but I'm sorry to say I think this is going to end with egg on their face.

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E.P. Grondine
4/27/2017 02:23:42 pm

I can see massive amounts of bigfoot and giant nutzbarkheit coming.

As far as the junction of Theosophism with HIndu supremacism, that has been going on for quite while.

Jason, you need to read William Gibson's comments on blogging.

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Americanegro
4/27/2017 05:22:23 pm

"Jason, you need to read William Gibson's comments on blogging."

Why don't you just go ahead and summarize them for us?

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Jason Colavito link
4/27/2017 06:47:46 pm

During his break from blogging in 2003, Gibson said that blogging distracted him from writing books. But the world has changed since then. The fact is that more people read this blog than have ever read one of my books. Unless you're in the top tier of writers, it's much easier to build an online audience than to get people to shell out cash for books. If I recall correctly, when one of my books was put up for illegal download on a torrent site, something like 20X the number of people downloaded it from that one site before the publisher sent a cease and desist letter than ever bought a copy.

Americanegro
4/27/2017 07:54:20 pm

Wasn't suggesting that you, Jason, should summarize, but thank you for doing so. I would think it's all grist for the mill, but why would anyone care about someone else's process anyway?

"You should really read the Book of Mor Jehovah's Witnesses Sex Ape Handmaidens!"

Yeah, no I shouldn't.

Only Me
4/27/2017 02:53:27 pm

After reading both articles on the mammoth site, I found one claim a little odd:

"Nor could smaller animals have done it, the team argues, because scavenging carnivores can’t chew their way through the middle of a fresh mastodon femur."

Is no one on the team aware of the cave hyena?

Anyway, interesting read.

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Shane Sullivan
4/27/2017 06:58:50 pm

Were there cave hyenas in California? I'm not aware of any species in North America. Also, I haven't read the articles, so I don't know what they mean by "smaller animals", but if they mean smaller than a human, then I don't think cave hyenas fit the bill; they were the size of rather large humans.

Unless, again, there was a species this side of the Pacific that was smaller than the Old World variety.

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Only Me
4/27/2017 07:24:08 pm

Looking a little closer, they were a European species. My bad.

Still, there were American lions, short-faced bears and dire wolves that would have been happy to scavenge a dead mammoth. Depending on the circumstances of its death, the carcass wouldn't have necessarily been scavenged shortly after.

In fact, the team didn't offer any explanation as to the cause of death. I'd think that would be important if they're proposing the possibility of an unknown human species using this particular mammoth as a resource over 100K years before the Clovis Culture.

Titus pullo
4/27/2017 06:30:32 pm

Pons and Fleishman...remember cold fusion. This guy might be sinking his career...

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Bob Jase
4/28/2017 01:00:58 pm

Of course the White City doesn't look as Morde described it - their agents who spy on the outside world reported back to them and they changed it, complete with antiquing.

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NeilB link
7/5/2017 04:56:50 am

Dear Mr Colavito, I write a blog about scientific papers on the peopling of the Americas. While researching a post on the 130,000 year old Cerutti Mastodon remains from California I came across this post of yours.
First let me say I am a great fan of how you use factual arguments and research to support arguments against pseudoscience and fringe commentators.
I was therefore, somewhat disappointed that you had not given this paper the same level of in depth consideration you do for some fringe science claims.
Simply saying "I don’t really have much to add to this because it’s way beyond my area of expertise." is pretty lame!
I suspect you have not read the paper in full. If you had done so you would be in a much better position to add a reasoned comment.
I know you are a smart guy - I've read your blog extensively - so you are more than capable of making up your own mind based on the facts.
Firstly re-quoting the possible objections of the archaeologist Tom Dillehay as if his point hadn't ALREADY been addressed in the paper is unfair to the scientists from the San Diego Museum who wrote the paper! If you read the paper you'll see his objections had been discounted by nearly 20 years research.
Secondly, that quote itself may have been taken out of context by the the reporter at the National Geographic (the source for your quote), so who knows what Tom Dillehay actually said.
I have a long and detailed look at the evidence presented in the paper in my blogpost at the link below. Perhaps you would care to take a look at it and offer your opinion?
Best Regards
Neil B
http://thefuzzysasquatch.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/a-130000-year-old-archaeological-site.html

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