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Honduran President Embraces "White City" Myth in Push for Tourist Cash

1/9/2016

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The president of Honduras embraced the myth of the lost White City of the Monkey God in a speech delivered to university students this week. According to published accounts, Pres. Juan Orlando Hernández announced that a team of archaeologists had set out on Wednesday for the site of the lost city during a speech to private university students at the presidential palace in honor of the nation’s literacy program. The president made plain that he was embracing the myth out of a sense of national pride and for potential economic reward.
“Right now people in Europe are watching documentaries about Honduras,” Hernández said in a Spanish-language speech I am translating here from a transcript. “And the magnitude of the exposure Honduras has received is something we have not had before.” La Prensa, a Honduran newspaper, explained that a recent National Geographic Channel documentary on the site attracted 60 million viewers in 15 countries.

Hernández visited the site of the supposed lost city last spring and has embraced the potential value of the site for Honduras over the past year.
 
Hernández added that the so-called Ciudad Blanca would be a major tourist attraction for Honduras. “The rest of humanity is talking about us and the White City in terms of tourism, and we must place this in the context of the new infrastructure we are building in terms of highways, airports, and ports. We must prepare as a country to take advantage of this great opportunity.”
 
In other words, the White City’s true value is the publicity it can generate among credulous Europeans and Americans who might visit the country to see an archaeological site that can be passed off as the fictitious city of legend.
 
There is, of course, no evidence that the ancient site currently being excavated was ever the supposed White City of the Monkey God, especially since the story of such a city does not predate the twentieth century.
 
The deep origins of the myth allegedly start with letters written by Hernán Cortes and Cristóbal de Pedraza describing, respectively, a wealthy Honduran city and a place where nobles drink from golden cups. The letters are real, but they make no mention of a White City or a monkey god. Nothing much happened after this until the twentieth century, when Eduard Conzemius recorded a version of the legend in “Los Indios Payas de Honduras” in the Journal de la Société des Américanistes 19 (1927). Therein Conzemius attributed the story to a secondhand account told of rubber tapper who alleged that he had stumbled across ruins of white buildings sometime between 1900 and 1910. “All the Indians say that they do not know of it and that it is all a myth,” Conzemius reported. Somehow, around 1958, this account from 1927 became conflated with archaeological survey flights conducted by Charles Lindbergh in British Honduras (now Belize) in 1929, and after 1958 it was claimed that Lindbergh had discovered the ruins of the White City. No such record exists, but it the legend is so entrenched that it appeared in the recent bestseller Jungleland and a recent Ancient Origins article on the speech given by the Honduran preseident.
 
The Monkey God legend was more or less made up in 1939 by some American adventurers and then folded into the Ciudad Blanca myth. The legend proved popular enough that in 1960 Honduras named a preserve after Ciudad Blanca and has had a low level endorsement of the myth ever since. Now, a modern story concocted from vague references to real ruins, a rubber-tapper’s almost certainly fictitious story, and a bunch of modern fabrication is being hailed as the next frontier for Honduras.  
 
This seems to be part of a trend in governments embracing historical fictions for modern gain. Turkey’s controversial president, you will recall, embraced a twentieth century Islamic fantasy that willfully misread Columbus’ poetic description of a Cuban hill as looking “like” a mosque as proof that Muslims discovered America first. He even provided money to build a mosque in honor of the imaginary achievement. Similarly, the controversial prime minister of India has embraced fringe history claims about high technology in Vedic India, including airplanes, to glorify Indian scientific prowess.

44 Comments
lurkster
1/9/2016 12:36:09 pm

Hmm. For some reason I find this more amusing in a cute way than the Turkey thing that annoyed me to no end. So I might be drifting into fringe-overload mode.

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Mike Jones
1/9/2016 01:43:00 pm

" in honor of the nation’s literacy program", boy, isn't that ironic? The President or Prime Minister, or whatever he is, of Indonesia has also embraced fringe "history" claims.

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Ysne58
1/9/2016 01:45:54 pm

If it gets archeaological sites protected, it's worth it.

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Duke of URL
1/10/2016 10:20:36 am

@Ysne58
Isn't it more likely that frauds such as this suck the money away from real archaeology?

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Shane Sullivan
1/9/2016 01:59:20 pm

Not really about history, and pretty tame compared to Vedic airplanes, but Hillary Clinton's recent comments about aliens ("I think we may have been [visited already]. We don't know for sure.") sort of belong in this category.

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Time Machine
1/9/2016 04:08:58 pm

That the Whites are a superior race is not a myth but a fact.

Get over it and get a life everybody.

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Time Machine
1/9/2016 04:10:26 pm

And if that was a "racist" statement - good !!
It was a factual statement that races are not equal.

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Birds of a Feather
1/9/2016 04:31:38 pm

Do your goosestepping elsewhere, Himmler.

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Time Machine
1/9/2016 04:49:32 pm

That's right - the Africans and the South Americans and North Americans invaded Europe and introduced civilization.

LOL

It wasn't that long ago when this racism crap didn't exist AT ALL.

Spoon
1/9/2016 06:21:28 pm

Ah yes, the Europeans who built the giant Inca and Aztec cities. The Europeans who introduced the complex tribal societies of North America. Those objectively superior Europeans; who unlike the primitive South Americans never believed in a divinely chosen monarch, were never obsessed with ostentatious displays of wealth, and who definitely believed in silly, archaic pantheons of deities. Oh... Wait...

Objectively superior. As proved by infallible, never debunked and totally accurate Victorian science. Go read some more Vox Day or something you embarrassing simpleton.

Time Machine
1/9/2016 06:57:42 pm

It's not "Racism" -- it's anthropology.

And no academic would agree with the bunkum that South American civilization of ritualistic sacrifice was superior to that of 15th century Europe.


Only Me
1/9/2016 08:15:01 pm

Actually, let's speak of archaeology. This is important, as current consensus among archaeologists recognizes six sites as the beginning of civilization: Mesopotamia, the Nile River, the Indus River, the Yellow River, the Central Andes, and Mesoamerica.

Oops, it doesn't appear that Europe is included in that list.

15th century Europeans had the technological advantage, but that isn't enough to declare one group as superior to another. All of the "non-white" civilizations had writing, language, recording systems, mathematics, calendars, etc., too.

Really, all of this nonsense is you trying *way too hard* to stir up trouble. You're on record saying racism shouldn't be part of the conversation, you've tried to defend Eric von Däniken—in spite of evidence of his racist remarks—and now your making fallacious arguments about white superiority.

Verdict: noob antagonist on duty.

Shane Sullivan
1/9/2016 08:23:23 pm

I'm not sure you want to hold up Europe's golden age of execution for heresy as a shining exemplar of cultural superiority.

Time Machine
1/9/2016 08:26:41 pm

Funny thing, nobody accused EvD of being "racist" until recently, and EvD has been in circulation since 1969 - that's 46 years. Ronald Story (amongst others) devoted books to debunking EvD from the 1970s onwards - and not once was EvD accused of being a "racist" once in any of those books.

To be honest, this allegation of "racism" against EvD is a modern fad by modern skeptics trying too hard and falling over their feet in the process. Nothing more, nothing less.

To repeat once again --- EvD filtered out the racist elements contained in Magicians of the Gods. The Ancient Astronaut theory began well before EvD and nobody is calling those authors "racists".

Anyway, if Homo Sapiens originated from Extraterrestrial Eugenics then you would have to call that Outer Space species superior to Homo Sapiens.

And again - this would not be "racism" but anthropology.

Assuming EvD and all the other Ancient Astronauts theorists were correct in their assumptions that Homo Sapiens were the product of extraterrestrials.



Time Machine
1/9/2016 08:36:15 pm

Anthropology is not to be confused with racism,
Anthropologists speak of primitive tribes all the time and examine their societies. Anthropologists are not accused of being "racists" because of that.

The same thing applies to Ancient Astronaut theorists. They are not "racists". If a vastly advanced species of extraterrestrials created Homo Sapiens through eugenics that's anthropology, not "racism".

Nobody could deny those extraterrestrials were vastly advanced to Homo Sapiens and that in itself is not "racism".

Only Me
1/9/2016 09:41:02 pm

No matter how hard you try, EvD made racist statements and nothing can change that.

Oh, how quick you are to switch gears after having your arguments destroyed. Keep accessing the rectal database in a futile attempt to justify your earlier comments. You made the assertion that whites are superior due to RACE, not technology or society. That means your alien example is also based upon technology, not RACE.

You cannot and will not ever prove someone is superior to another based solely on RACE.

V
1/9/2016 11:49:16 pm

That would be easier to accept as factual if there were any such thing as "race." "Race" is a social construct that changes meaning on the basis of political climate change. It doesn't even line up properly with "ethnicity."

From the University of Wisconsin anthropology department website: "Hence, race has no real anthropological meaning." (http://www.uwfox.uwc.edu/academics/depts/ant/perspective.html)

From the American Anthropological Association's statement on race: "Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them." (http://www.americananthro.org/ConnectWithAAA/Content.aspx?ItemNumber=2583)

REAL anthropologists understand the difference between culture and "race"--which is to say that "primitive tribes" are CULTURAL, not racial, and culture is learned rather than inherent.

And pretty sure that "ritual sacrifice" is rather superior to "vicious politically- and greed-motivated genocide" and "greed-motivated slaughter in the name of religion," both of which were perpetuated by Europeans, both on other Europeans (Spanish Inquisition ran from 1478 to *1834*) and on Native Americans. If you're going to base "superiority" on levels of bloodshed, then frankly, our CURRENT society is greatly inferior to 15th-century Europe, since we kill FAR fewer people. Oh, you mean that LESS bloodshed is preferred? Then the Incans, Mayans, and Aztecs were all SUPERIOR to 15th-century Europe.

GIGO, there is just no way for you to be remotely right about this one, and you're making yourself look like the garbage you're full of. Is there anything to you BUT garbage? Because you haven't given the remotest sign of it so far.

Time Machine
1/10/2016 02:51:17 am

Only Me,

You keep referring time and time again to historians.

How many English-Language Historians refer to the fact that France is governed by a secular, atheistic and anti-Christian government - whether it's Left Wing or Right Wing. How many can you think of ?

Time Machine
1/10/2016 02:55:36 am

V.

You are the GIGO.

If you lack common sense, remain silent.

Time Machine
1/10/2016 03:09:26 am

Definitions of Racism:

"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

Nothing has changed in this respect and the above definition is a recent definition accommodating Political Correctness. There are inferior and superior races today, 10 January 2016. And that should be an anthropological fact, like it has been for centuries until only recently, when it became a fad to substitute the word "race" with "racism".

Time Machine
1/10/2016 03:32:57 am

Only pathetically weak people that don't have the balls to say what they feel and mean are politically correct pussies.

Only Me
1/10/2016 10:18:50 am

No, it is *you* who keeps referencing historians, as you are incapable of making supporting arguments for your own claims. No one here cares about France's government, except you, so stay on topic.

I know what the definition of race is. I'm glad you could look it up. Now, show me where technology or society—the supporting arguments you make for white superiority—are included in that definition. Oops, again. Their *not* included. Since society is not a part of that definition, anthropology cannot prove or delineate one race as superior to another. Do learn the definitions of scientific fields before you throw them around in favor of your fantasies.

You still can't prove your original premise: whites are the superior race.

fake monkey god
1/11/2016 06:35:13 pm

"Its anthropology" LOL maybe anthropology 100 years ago. Anthropology has come a long way since then and yes that means anthropologists all agree one ethnicity or "race" is NOT better than another.

Only Me
1/9/2016 05:28:41 pm

Troll level: novice

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V
1/9/2016 11:50:14 pm

Troll level: brick to the face, F----- for subtlety. Needs to be returned for further schooling.

Birds of a Feather
1/11/2016 05:56:28 pm

I have to ask, Time Machine, what are you getting out of rambling in Jason's comment section? The only person who has acknowledged you was Scott Reaney, hardly a ringing endorsement, that. From all the contradictory diatribes you've engaged in, I have yet to really understand what your worldview is beyond a certain obsession with Freemasonry in a very specific time and place. Instead of polluting us with constant off-topic dribble, why don't you make your own site so we can go there for laughs and then come back here for serious discussion?

Ken
1/9/2016 05:07:22 pm

It's a well known fact that government leaders do not have to be rational to be in charge. Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter saw UFOs and Nancy R. had a White House astrologer. And obviously none of them would ever have been elected or otherwise attained power if they didn't at least claim to believe in the invisible man in the sky.

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Bob Jase
1/11/2016 11:34:12 am

To be fair, Jimmy Carter reported seeing a ufo - not an alien spacecraft and he does not dispute the identification later given for it.

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Erica Ward
1/3/2017 07:56:34 pm

Even if most (not all) of the rationale behind astrology is preposterous, (and it is), those who use it to guide their lives find it quite effective. If you figure why that could be, you might actually learn something. And it is unlikely that civilization could have developed without the discovery of astrology.

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Mbking
1/9/2016 09:15:00 pm

On a genetic level, race doesn't exist. We are all Homo sapiens. There is also the fact that hominids first evolve in Africa. We are all descended from those first Aftican hominids. That is paleoanthropology.

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V
1/9/2016 11:52:37 pm

Race is simply a social construct that changes with the blowing of political winds, and has no more actual validity than what hand one holds one's fork in when one eats does. If one uses a fork at all. Unfortunately, it is one of the most pervasive examples of "peer pressure" at work that can be located, and in a remarkably unpleasant and bullying level.

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Time Machine
1/10/2016 03:13:42 am

V.

That's only your (mistaken) opinion.

There are countries all around the world that just do not have the intellectual ability to evolve into countries like the United States and countries in Western Europe.

Get a life,

Time Machine
1/10/2016 03:16:01 am

BTW, my statement above was to do with "race" and not "racism", the old-fashioned pre-Political Correctness version of anthropology.

Spoon
1/10/2016 12:17:24 pm

"Old fashioned, pre-political correctness version of anthropology"

Yeah, that infallible Victorian science I mentioned. Truly the pinnacle of anthropological thought. Any research, any advances in the field that might suggest that idiots such as Time Machine here can't cling to some perceived racial superiority to make up for a distinct lack of individual achievement or notability MUST be insidious political correctness.

I'd love to hear TM's opinions on "Cultural Marxism", or feminism. Just kidding, no I wouldn't.

Ph
1/10/2016 05:30:48 am

Darn this oversensitivity and political correctness.

Yes there are genetic and biological difference between the 3 major 'races': Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid.
In some cases even different medicine is used based on the difference in physiology.

It's almost like a taboo sometimes, people are being bullied by the self appointed moral police into saying and thinking that all humans are the same. They are not. They won't even investigate the reality.

But when you start discussing about 'better' or 'superior', you better well first establish parameters of what is good and what is bad, then back it up with the genetic information, because in my opinion, 99.99% of all the 'race' talk is NOT based on scientific data, but on egocentric perceptions.

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Time Machine
1/10/2016 06:42:45 am

Political Correctness is a malignant cancer that has taken over the world, affecting every branch of society - it is the erosion of basic common sense,

Comedy on UK is not funny anymore because every joke has to be passed through a committee and if it is considered to be funny it is banned.

And there is nothing less funny than a politically correct joke.

People in the UK have to turn to the Internet to find funny jokes not contaminated by political correctness.

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Time Machine
1/10/2016 06:47:13 am

There is only a sliver of a difference between the word "culture" and "race".

Use any word you like in place of "race" --- that's fine with me --- because the situation remains identical whichever word is used.

There will always be inferiority.

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Time Machine
1/10/2016 06:55:44 am

And the word inferiority was used in a non-pejorative and non-racially discriminating way --- in the way understood by common sense anthropologists of the past before the advent of political correctness.

Another symptom of political correctness was the banning in the UK of the family entertainment show "The Black and White Minstrels" that was based on 100% ignorance of history. White singers blacked themselves in honour of the black man because he had a superior singing voice. It's crap to suggest this was racism - it was the direct opposite. When Elvis Presley first started he was complimented as being the closest thing the Whites had to a Black voice.

I cannot find words enough to express disgust at the existence of Political Correctness.

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Mike Jones
1/10/2016 09:36:28 am

I'm sure you can.

Fake monkey god
1/11/2016 06:41:46 pm

Wrong. Dude, you need to read an actual anthropology book. Anthropologists do not refer to ANY "race" or "culture" as inferior. If they did, theyd be out of a job as theyd be shitty anthropologists. Ever heard of the term"ethnocentric" ? its a term anthropologists would use to describe you. Anthropologists might refer to a cultures technological complexity as more advanced or complex, but thats it.

Bob Jase
1/10/2016 11:04:30 am

Ignoring Captain Nazi above.

Let's see - the Lost White City of the Monkey God isn't white, isn't lost and has no Monkey God. This is even better than Ham's Ark Park.

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Duke of URL
1/10/2016 11:51:25 am

Hernández visited the site of the lost White City of the Monkey God...
Wouldn't that make it a FOUND city?
---
Everytime I see something like this, I automatically start shuffling them:
City of the White Monkey God...
White God of the Monkey City...
White Monkey of the God-City...
Monkey City of the White God...

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Jason Colavito link
1/10/2016 12:44:53 pm

Well, technically, they haven't actually found a city yet, only a suspected site that hasn't been excavated.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
1/11/2016 11:57:00 am

The Monkey-God in the White City... about Hanuman wandering the Chicago Columbian Exhibition.

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