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How the Nephilim Survived the Flood

11/1/2013

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I’m sure most of you are getting bored with the various arguments put forward for why the Nephilim, the sons of God, the Anunnaki, or some other group of supernatural super-friends are actually aliens, time-traveling inter-dimensional demons, or what-have-you. But I pride myself on trying to be as fair as possible to alternative claims, and in this case I owe it to L. A. Marzulli and Trey Smith to offer a bit of additional information about the “Watchers” and their kids that helps to explain an issue I’ve had trouble understanding: how it is that the Nephilim-Giants were all killed in the Flood and yet somehow also managed to survive to be the source of evil and sin through corrupted DNA.

As many of you know, I’m most comfortable with Classical material, and the biblical apocrypha is not an area I have encyclopedic knowledge of. When Marzulli, for example, states that he is a biblical literalist, I naturally assume that means that he is basing his claims on the traditional Bible, with which I am familiar. But that’s not the case. Marzulli and Smith both adopt the Book of Enoch, canonical only in Ethiopia, to back their ideas. In Enoch, we read how the Watchers fathered the race of giants, and that these giants were all killed in the Flood. So far, so good. But then the author of Enoch decides that these giants—who in Genesis 6:4 are the famous heroes of old—are not just the sinners who caused the flood but in fact demonic spirits.

In Enoch 15:8-11, God explains that the ghosts of the dead giants will continue to plague and torment humanity until the End of Days:

8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.

In the later Book of Jubilees (10:9), this blanket license to the dead giants is restricted to a smaller, more manageable number. God says: “Let the tenth part of them remain before him [Satan], and let nine parts descend into the place of condemnation.” If you enjoy textual literalism, ask your literalist alternative history friends to explain which of these two contradictory accounts must be interpreted symbolically, and why.

So there you have it. While the Watchers are themselves imprisoned beneath the earth, their kids are angry ghosts who wander the earth causing trouble. Thanks to the popular conflation of the Sons of God and/or Watchers with their children, the Nephilim-Giants, the seemingly contradictory claim that the Nephilim descended from heaven, were imprisoned under the earth, were killed in the Flood, and were currently active on earth can be resolved. It’s not particularly elegant as a solution, though, since Trey Smith’s whole notion (one repeated by ancient alien theorists) is that this continued existence takes the form of demon DNA. There is no textual support for the idea that anything physical is involved in the nebulous half-existence of the giants. The punishment of the Watchers, to be bound in chains beneath the earth, tormented by hellfire, is exactly the same as the punishment of the Greek Titans, similarly chained and bound in Tartarus, also for their misrule over the earth.

Here I think it’s important to recall exactly who the Jewish writers imagined the Giants were. In the Book of Giants, we know exactly who they envisioned, for they are named: Gilgamesh, Humbaba, and the other figures from Mesopotamian mythology. (Again: Ask literal interpreters of ancient texts how Gilgamesh can live before the Flood in Jewish texts but after it in his own Epic.) In a broader sense, the Giants, whom Genesis specifically identified as the heroes of old, were similar to the Greek race of the Heroes, who were also believed to have been giants, part of the widespread hypothesis of degeneration, which held that the earth was running down from a bigger, better original state. Some believe this to be inspired by the discovery of fossil bones of megafauna, misinterpreted as the bones of ancestral giants. It’s an open question, though, whether the bones gave rise to the myth, or whether the myth governed how the bones were interpreted.

Why is this important? This is important because the Mesopotamians and the Greeks and many of the other Near Eastern peoples believed that the spirits of the heroes continued to be potent, powerful, and active within the earth. Gilgamesh, the great hero, achieved cult status and even before the time of the writer of Enoch was worshiped as a god. He survived in Arabic lore as the demon Jiljamish down to the early modern period. More to the point, in the time and place where the Enochian writer was composing, the Near East was littered with shrines associated (rightly or wrongly) with the Greek heroes. The Hellenistic Greeks identified the Phoenician god Melqart with Heracles, and they everywhere found (or founded) shrines to the hero Jason, the so-called Jasonia. At hero shrines, they offered sacrifices to the heroes in return for the help of the heroes in various everyday affairs.

We further know from Deuteronomy 18:11’s prohibition on oracles of the dead and the biblical discussion of the Witch of Endor raising the spirit of Samuel (1 Samuel 28:3-25) that such beliefs also existed among the Jews; indeed, 1 Samuel 28:13 makes the witch say that she sees “Elohim” rising up from the underworld, which could literally mean “gods” or whatever creatures the son of God (the binay Elohim) were originally meant to be before apocalyptic Judaism made them into Fallen Angels.

In this context, it seems to me that the writers of Enoch and Jubilees were continuing the process of diabolizing non-Jewish gods and heroes, the pantheon of paganism, a process that recognized the power of these other beliefs but held them to be false idols and demons. It’s an interesting dichotomy between those who held firmly that the pagan gods were demons in disguise (a tradition carried over into Christianity, where the ghost of Samuel was routinely identified as a demon in disguise) and those who felt that they were imaginary. Not long after the compilation of Jubilees, the translators of the Septuagint altered Isaiah 65:3 to say that the pagans burn incense on brick altars “to demons who do not exist at all.” This goes beyond recognizing but demonizing the power of one’s enemies to instead reject the idea that they had any power at all.

All of this is the long way around saying that there is in fact an interesting story to tell about the development of the Watchers myth, and even the strange punishment their children receive, but that it doesn’t have much to do with canonical Bible beliefs, or DNA. It seems to be the story of how monotheistic believers tried to reconcile themselves to a world where polytheists had temples full of wonders and claimed to command the powers of the dead heroes of old in the underworld. In this regard, the newly-developed myth that the dead giants became evil spirits seemingly serves to explain how mediums and witches could call up the ghosts of the dead, and how pagans can receive boons from sacrifices made to the dead antediluvian giant heroes, like Gilgamesh.

50 Comments
Shane Sullivan
11/1/2013 12:26:44 pm

"It’s not particularly elegant as a solution, though, since Trey Smith’s whole notion (one repeated by ancient alien theorists) is that this continued existence takes the form of demon DNA."

I <i>still</i> think that sounds like the novel (and subsequent film adaptation and videogame sequels) Parasite Eve.

"And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences."

Wait, so not only was L. Ron Hubbard a fraud, he wasn't even original? Imagine the shock when all of Hollywood hears about this...!

Oh well. Insightful work as always, Mr. Colavito.

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Shane Sullivan
11/1/2013 12:29:23 pm

(Whoops, sorry about the HTML tag; force of habit)

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Isaac Smith
8/13/2015 09:34:19 pm

There's no ghost. Only Satan and demons. The dead is dead

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Cola Cola
7/5/2019 05:31:23 am

What is a denon

Ken Ammi link
7/5/2019 11:47:12 am

Cola Cola, pardon me for chiming in. The answer is not a simple as some may make it seem. Some claim that demons and fallen Angels are different things. Some, based on apocryphal folklore, claim that demons are the spirits of dead Nephilim. Personally, as I elucidated in great detail in my book "What Does The Bible Say About Demons? A Styled Demonology," I think that when the fallen Angels were incarcerated their spirits remained on Earth and we call them demons.

Tyrone isom
6/9/2018 07:59:43 am

Read man on the goat trail Man in the safari suit by T .Isom

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Josephus
6/15/2018 10:16:50 pm

They were able to materialize and
dematerialize at will so they dematerialize
to escape the flood this is when God lock them in darkness until the end of time. But still very powerful. However, they are not able to physically harm you, but able to enter into your body.

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Kimberly
7/7/2022 10:16:43 am

If Noah's wife wasn't his sons' mum, but their stepmom; then she could have had Nephilim blood. Perhaps she had an affair with Ham and that's why Canaan was cursed. Tradition has it Naamah was Noah's wife. She was a daughter of Cain.

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Ken Ammi
7/8/2022 11:16:21 pm

But inventing any such un-biblical tales not only implies that God failed and the flood was much of a waste but people invent such un-biblical tales exclusively to support one single verse which merely records an evil report by utterly unreliable guys whom God rebukes. Neo-Nephilology is literally based on that that one single, utterly unreliable, verse--Num 13:33.

Gunn
11/1/2013 03:53:18 pm

Yes, the idea of calling up the ghosts of the dead is a falsehood. The dead are on the other side of a gulf, if you will. That is not to say that God would not allow someone to temporarily cross that gulf, with His permission and for a good enough reason, perhaps in the case of Samuel. But usually, there is a deception taking place, as you pointed out.

Demon spirits pretend to be the ghosts of Christmas's past. Basically, there is no such thing as a ghost, only a demon impersonating a dead person...whether in sight, or in communication, such as with a Ouija board. Even here, there is the problem with corrupted information: lies, cleverly mixed in with truths. Satan is the author of lies.

By looking outside the Bible, the information you seek has been corrupted, and is unreliable. It may be the lie mixed in with some truth. Are you looking for truth, or do myths satisfy your searching?

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John Chisholm
4/24/2018 03:25:12 pm

I am certainly seeking the truth as far as possible. But I recently took an interest in spirit medium ship. Although I seem to get fairly impressive messages from spirit mediums on a regular basis I am not really a believer as I am an ex Jehovah's Witness and I still think they could be correct in their teachings. They teach that all these things come through Satan and the Demons(Nephilim) and that the dead are at this time non-existant. My conscience is fast telling me to quit spiritualist churches as no one can prove anything to me.

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Karen Peebles
7/27/2018 09:52:15 pm

As an ex medium, now Christian, I encourage you at all costs to give up the practice of communicating with the dead. It is not life-giving and robs one of time better spent studying scripture and sharing the gospel. Anything God calls an abomination cannot possibly benefit the soul.

Tony
8/8/2018 03:51:02 pm

I've been in and out from the Jehovah's Witness organization. Now currently one and I have asked my self why do I go back. Because I too believe their teachings are correct if not they are trying to teach it in the most honest way possible.

Sue
1/12/2019 07:30:09 pm

You can't prove it because life is designed for faith. We are to become the Lord's family and you don't just hand over a ferrari to a five year old. They need proper raising for responsibilities.

Re the spirit mediums, the bible clearly says not to use them because they are deceptors being used by satan and his demonic entities. They will lie to you but mix in truth with the lies. Using them opens up demonic entities to allow them to harass you and control your mind.

Chase Staples
5/17/2018 11:11:59 am

Thank you. I am a believer and I appreciate boldness and truth when I see someone speak the truth of scripture. I have a few theories (none about salvation, there is only one way) as well as curiosities about Biblical history and how it relates to what we (humans) have found as evidence of our past. Do you have something published or know of a reliable source for our Origin, Rephaim, Dinosaurs etc?

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Remycuaterno link
6/9/2018 11:15:00 am

But what about the catholic they believe in ghost,in trinity,in ghost of forefather,they believe in hell!

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Sue
1/12/2019 07:32:28 pm

"But what about the catholic they believe in ghost,in trinity,in ghost of forefather,they believe in hell!"

Catholic theology does not believe in human ghosts. Yes, of course Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and yes, they believe Hell exists.

ERICKA C WITOVER
11/3/2019 05:34:37 pm

Of course there is a hell. Otherwise what was the point of Jesus coming to us as a man t die for our sins if we weren't all going to end up there upon death? It would be stupid for Him to do that. But it's because there is a hell and he came to save us from going there if we repent of our sins and accept Him as our Savior. Just read the Bible, it's all in there.

Ella
8/24/2021 04:58:49 pm

When I was a kill I looked up the word hell in the dictionary and it said mankind's common grave. I'm 65 now. So maybe that helps. I know desires no man to die. I figure that means because you are forever gone.

Ella
8/24/2021 05:02:44 pm

I'm 65 as a 5th or 6th grader I looked up in hell in the dictionary and it said mankind's common grave.

Salverda
11/1/2013 09:00:53 pm

One or more of the wives of the passengers of the Ark are sometimes blamed for carrying the bad genetics through the Flood. In my youth I used to think that the Giants were so tall that they could stand on the mountain tops and "wade" out the Deluge. "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered." (Genesis 7:20) Only about waist high to any respectable "Giant," in my view.

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Pedrazza
11/5/2014 01:14:17 am

It started over again... all over the earth till the time line of goliath.. too much evidence and monuments....
Too many individuals are tricking themselves by believing that it was mankind that built all the remnant monuments... but don't realize that they still existed after the flood. (nephelim)

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norman
8/16/2016 05:00:41 pm

your correct and it was Noahs wife... she was like 10' ft tall. they found the ark on Mt. Ararat in Turkey

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJCqqMsy1xM

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Sue
1/12/2019 07:36:43 pm

The waters rushed up from the earth, along with the rains, and destroyed most of humanity so its doubtful anyone would have had time to make it to the top of the Himalayas, LOL.

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Jan Pospisil
11/2/2013 01:26:39 am

Have you not seen Prometheus? The giants melted into the flood of course, and polluted the Oceans with their infectious DNA. ;)

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pedrazza
11/5/2014 01:10:55 am

Ya, I've seen it... and noticed that....

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Paul Cargile
11/2/2013 06:10:14 am

8. And now, the robots, who are produced from the code and programmer, shall be called Cylons upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling, or in space. 9. Cylons have proceeded from their factories; because they are designed by men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the defense ministry is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be Cylons on earth, and⌉ Cylons shall they be called. [10. As for the Lords of Kobol, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the Cylons, which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling, or in space.] 11. And the Cylons afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these Cylons shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.

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Christine Thompson
2/9/2019 07:57:26 pm

WOW! That was interesting. What is that all about??

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Ivar Nielsen link
11/3/2013 06:18:17 am

One has to know something about the global Stories of Creation and of the term of "Milky Way River" in order to get the Flood telling right. It is not a great flood historically ON the Earth but OVER the Earth, namely the Milky Way River which is closely connected to the global Stories of Creation and thus also with connected to the Giants.

This natural explanation of course excludes all the emotional and literally translated talk about a personified deity punishing the humans.

Links:
Milky Way Mythology/Great Sky River - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way_%28mythology%29

List of flood myths - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

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Sue
1/12/2019 07:38:32 pm

Sounds like you're doing a dance.

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Julius link
11/21/2013 01:14:25 pm

Gen 6 they mated then and thereafter. In Enoch it states that some of the sons of God hid among the humans to escape capture. Also Enoch states that the sons of God who committed these evils will be released again. Keep in mind in Moses and Joshua days there were more giants. I dont know if I would go as far to say these guys are faking to be aliens but possibly. In ancient days bones of giants were often displayed but the so called church, catholic church, Martin Luther, all theses "councils" that determined what was the "word of God" hid many of these artifacts.

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Liza
6/14/2017 07:04:55 am

Nothing was hidden. You can still read all the books rejected as the word of God. How they chose which books would be included was if things book mentioned something that another book mentioned and so could be verified. Also if there was only fragments so it was unreadable. Research. Do not assume.

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Dona
4/4/2019 09:58:35 am

Absolutely.. I understand that the Days of Noah shall repeat itself. I also think their escape was by water as they perished entered into sea creatures called marine spirits, like the Leviathan-dragon. It is known on earth they violated animals and beasts, ate their flesh and drank their blood.
Like the Days of Noah the children of disobedience will attempt to draw from the DNA bones of the giants so that they will roam again on the earth to torment mankind. Woooow!

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Ken Ammi link
7/5/2019 11:58:31 am

Friend, for the sake of clarity, ensure that you keep in mind that “the Days of Noah shall repeat itself” but only in as far as how Jesus elucidated it. Jesus’ reference to the days of Noah is clearly just about people going about as business as usual while being unaware of coming judgement. And you can know that by reading the whole statement Jesus made and also the one He made in Luke 17 about how “it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
As how they, specifically the Nephilim, escaped well, you are inventing a story and doing so based on a fundamental misunderstanding: there is no such thing as post-flood Nephilim nor a return of them—ever. Also, the only way they “violated animals and beasts” is by having eaten them—period. And, since the issue is Nephilim then jumping to the vague, generic, subjective and un-biblical English term “giants” only confuses matters. In short, if even part of God’s purpose for the flood was to do away with Nephilim and their genetics then you are implying a successful thwarting of God’s purpose.

JOSEPH KELLER
7/14/2022 01:08:15 pm

I agree whole-heartedly with Ken Ammi's comment.

Ken Ammi
7/15/2022 10:33:21 am

Well then Joseph, you must be right ;o)
Feel free to check out my various Nephilology related books here: https://www.amazon.com/Ken-Ammi/e/B071NW4F4W%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

Paul Pedrazza
8/11/2014 01:00:44 am

Hi, I've been doing research on this for up to 20 years.. and now the truths are coming out. It needs to go public as much as possible

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Chris
11/4/2014 04:22:43 pm

Hey Paul, Are you able to lead me to your further research on this matter? I'm really interested in learning more, I hope I can find peace in it. Regards.

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Pedrazza paul
11/5/2014 01:21:29 am

Hi, one book is the book of Enoch. He started a journal that was passed on all the way to Noah, and was passed through to the Hebrews. It is actually the Dead Sea Scrolls ... they were buried before the Hebrews were captured and enslaved... there is a good reason why the dead sea scroll were preserved..
It explains what happened after Eden, the weather patterns, the dreams that all were having on earth regarding the coming of their end, and the creation and species of the Giants, and genetics...there is more...
one place you can find this translation is in prophecy in the new online for under twenty some dollars... it's worth it.
Let me know what you think

Paul Pedrazza
9/3/2015 06:07:21 pm

HI,, There is so much that happened, being that there was a different timeline before the flood.... and so much has happened... truth of the matter the difference between the Nephelim and regular giants,, is the DNA and Double row teeth... Then, the earth was different , meaning that the atmospheric pressure was different.. and things just got big.. look at the size of fossils like dragonflies and all that existed.. even humans were big... It was a rich Oxygen environment with atmospheric pressure different than now and the shield around the earth protected the first humans... meaning that man should've lived forever... taking care of this earth like it was suppost too.. What I find puzzling why the dinosaurs were created, and by whom, was it the leader of the fallen one, was it part of genetics, and why are they still alive, is it to put man in his place...? We will found out more when the time comes, it doesn't matter what opinions people have, but to give everyone the benefit of the doubt to be proven.
Look at what they do to football players as well when they have injuries, they put them in a tube with pressure controlled. They heal faster...
One thing for sure is that not all that were big were Nephelim, Only the certain characteristics like double row teeth, DNA and Size. They were much bigger... man got around 9-15 ft tall.
Take a look at Prophecy in the news or look up the old translated book of Enoch...

Paul Pedrazza
1/22/2017 12:20:20 pm

I have 19 different pages on Face Book under paul Pedrazza.. go there and I'll check u in.. or I think I've made it visible for everyone.. just comment.. La Marzuli does a lot of research on this.. He is friend of mine on two sites. This research of the Nephilem and Rephaim is a big subject... just be careful, there are sites that are fakes, and even some like to take the real photos and change them to something different..... know one thing, that the earth was different in those days, and man was big as well... So any skelleton that is found and is large is not Nephilem, unless DNA and 6 digit hands and feet are found or any abominations on Hybrids

Paul Pedrazza
1/22/2017 12:30:21 pm

PS.. when U scroll down.. U'll see UK radio.. skip that and go all the way untill U see Last day events unfolding, and As in the times of Enoch and Noah.
There are Three site on face book.. Look for the one with My station, it is all like wood panel and a chair

Pedrazza Paul
11/5/2014 01:26:50 am

The way things are suppost to be is that we shouldn't be having all this technology we have. The Earth should be stable meaning , no harsh weather, no cities, and every one should have his own place.
A place where no one dies, and no sickness ..and so on...
This was destroyed along time ago... Mankind one day will have to give up all technology.

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angel
9/21/2016 04:50:59 pm

Correct "Demons are the disembodied spirits of the Giants (Nephilim). The 'Mighty Men of Renown' are the Gibborim created by the Watchers when they left their heavenly abode and came down to the daughters of men as recorded in Genesis Chapter 6:4 of the Old Testament. They are half breeds, angelic hybrids, the Titans.

NEPHILIM HYBRIDS & ANGELS - BOOK OF ENOCH - ORIGIN OF DEMONS & GIANTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YinCWgp8IU&list=PLV7Wy_Z8JeGhbeJAtFKQNn-a3cPkpB9Kw

When fallen angels shape-shift into a form of human being they can have intercourse but not without some aberrant genetic changes. The union of these beasts with humans produced children that were different in many ways. The first apparent difference was that they developed giantism. They were giants or Nephilim. Og the King of Bashan had a bed that was 13 to 15 feet long; and Goliath was 6 cubits tall (9 feet). The second aberration was that they had six fingers and six toes... "The aberrant genetic tendencies of the Nephilim were unfortunately cloned into the D.N.A. of mankind. According to the Bible, only Noah escaped
this genetic intervention at the time. There are no records of these perverse tendencies prior to the intervention of the Watchers. These dormant genetic tendencies still surface today at times in different people ... The Watchers are a guardian class of angels that were assigned to watch over the earth and protect mankind from just this sort of thing happening.

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Joe
6/11/2021 07:50:29 pm

I thought the Gibborim were David’s mighty men? Nephilim is what the giants and legends of old were called. Therefore, marvel’s series called Gibborim is way off; totally wrong.

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Ken Ammi link
6/17/2021 06:38:13 pm

Gibborim is just the male plural for might/might. Thus yes, it is a term used for Nephilim, for some of David's soldiers, for Angles, for Boaz, for God, etc. Whether "Nephilim is what the giants and legends of old were called" depends on what you mean by "giants" since the old usage comes from the Greek "gigantes" meaning "earth-born" but the modern usage implies something vague about subjectively unusual height. See my various books about such issues, if you will: https://truefreethinker.com/no-end-books-publications

j
1/21/2017 09:39:22 pm

I recently thought the term Nephilim just meant giant, or mighty man. The ones in Genesis 6:4 were unique since they were actual hybrids, however the ones like Og or Goliath seemed to be fully human, after all they descended from Noah.
Maybe the prehistoric Nephilim did turn into ghosts that wander earth, however since they were partly human I wouldn't think it would be true, rather that their spirits would go to heaven or hades.
Also I notice how many cultures have demi-god figures, some like Hercules may be just examples of hero-worship but i do think some were actually real. We have Nephilim, Annukai, Titans I think were this, Hindu mythology has examples of this too I think, etc. Some today think humans had alien dna around the time Homo Sapiens came on the scene, in order to speed up human evolution. Interestingly we do see more humans appearing around that time, with Homo Erectus being before this event and several new species arriving, Homo Sapiens, Neanderthals, Densivonans, and maybe others, just like how the bible says that the Nephilim appeared at the time the worldwide population was growing. It would work with some ideas about the Nephilim dna being preserved through Noah's wife or inlaws, even though I don't believe that was the case.
Either way, lets focus on God and salvation, ok?

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Ivar Nielsen link
1/22/2017 05:02:04 am

The human mind itself gives names, attributes and qualities to everything on the Sky, and thus it describes the creation as such by both physical and spiritual perceptions "in the mind of the humans".

For instants: Smaller and larger star constellation images on the Sky are mentioned as human beings revolving, on the Sky. And the largest i.e. gigantic, object in the Sky is the white/grey contours of the Milky Way, which encircle the sky around the Earth.

The entire Milky Way contour is often mythologically mentioned as The Great Serpent or The Celestial River and if dividing the contours into the Earth two hemispheres, one can easily imagine these two figures as a Great Woman (Mother Goddess) on the southern hemisphere and a Great Man (Father God) on the northern hemisphere as illustrated here - http://www.native-science.net/Forefather.Worship.htm

"Giants" then logically all belongs to the Milky Way contours as the largest objects in the Sky and Giants even is connected to the pre-creation of the MIlky Way galaxy.

That is IMO: You have to be familiar with the mythical names of the star constellations and of the Milky Way contours in order to grasp the ancient tellings from all over the world.

The Milky Way Mythology is specifically connected to the numerous cultural Stories of Creation and this again doesn´t speak of a creation of the entire Universe, but specifically of the creation of the Milky Way and the Solar system.

Read more here on my Mytho-Cosmological site - http://www.native-science.net/index.html

Regards
Ivar Nielsen
Natural Philosopher

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Frank
1/12/2019 07:24:39 pm

"If you enjoy textual literalism, ask your literalist alternative history friends to explain which of these two contradictory accounts must be interpreted symbolically, and why."

In Enoch 15:8-11, God does not say what percentage "remain before satan." In Jubilees, it does. How is this contradictory?

DNA is everything. The blood of Christ, the mixing of fallen watcher angels with human women (book of Genesis). The long genealogies of the bible show that Jesus earthly father had mixed blood/DNA, but his earthly mother did not. The coming Mark of the Beast will change your DNA to add to it Nephilm blood/DNA, thus sealing your eternity in judgement in flames of the lake of fire.

As to how did DNA carry over? The daughter in laws on Noah's ark had Nephilim bloodlines. Noah's family did not. It took a couple thousand years of time for the Nephilim bloodlines to make impure 99% of humanity so that God destroyed the world with the flood. Nephilim bloodlines made it through. The "ghosts" (demonic entities) then began their work on mankind to get things back to the way they were, and after more than 2,000 years their control of many men has allowed them to re-create what they did in the beginning with human DNA, working with human government. At the end of time, the fallen Watchers will return, and the Nephilim will inhabit possessed humans and actual bodies created for their use to make the end times the great torment of the tribulation, before Jesus return and they are destroyed, along with their human captives.

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Ken Ammi link
6/21/2019 05:53:13 pm

Biblically, this is much simpler: the Bible knows of no such thing as post-flood Nephilim nor a return of them—ever.

99% of neo-pop researchers of Nephilim and “giants” (a vague, generic, subjective and actually un-biblical term—meaning that it does not reflect any Hebrew term) are simply mistaken on a fundamental level on this and thus, they must literally invent tall tales about how Nephilim were done away with in the flood but were not done away with or returned.

If even part of the reason for the flood was God doing away with
Nephilim and their genetics then any concept of post-flood Nephilim implies a successful thwarting of God’s will and purpose.

And post-flood existence as demons is not the only claim of post-flood Nephilim claimants: they claim that Nephilim survived or returned in the flesh as they were pre-flood (some claim that their genetics made it past the flood so that Nephilim are still among us today but in such a genetically deluded form that, guess what, they conveniently look just like humans).

There is a reason why Nephilim are only mentioned once post-flood—they are not mentioned in the many references to the peoples of the land of Israel and surrounding lands nor in the various references to conquering such nor in descriptions of battles and even hand-to-hand combat—they are referenced in Numbers 13:33 which was stated by 1) unfaithful/disloyal spies who 2) were said to present an evil/bad report 3) for which they were rebuked, 4) wherein they made three claims about which the whole rest of the Bible knows nothing, 5) who contradicted Moses, Caleb, Joshua and God, 6) and who after supposedly
seeing beings who made them look like grasshoppers in comparison, get back to camp and the first thing they say is, “Hey, check out these grapes!” They literally made us a “don’t go in the wood” style fear mongering scare tactic tall tale.

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          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
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          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
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          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
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          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
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        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
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      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
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          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
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          • W. Scott-Elliot >
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        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
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        • The Many Wives of Jesus
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        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
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          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
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          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
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        • Book of Howth
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        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
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        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
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        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
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        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
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        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
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        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
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        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
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        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
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      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
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        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
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        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
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      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
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      • The Devils of Loudun
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      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
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      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
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      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
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        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Scrapbook
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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