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How to Argue with an Ancient Astronaut Theorist

9/24/2011

350 Comments

 
One of the problems skeptics face in countering the insidious nonsense of the ancient astronaut theory is that skeptics treat the suggestion as though it were subject to the rules of science, and therefore they criticize it using physical evidence—radiocarbon dates, archaeological site reports, the laws of physics, etc. This approach is understandable since most skeptics tend to come from math and natural science backgrounds. But it isn’t effective outside the field of science.

As anyone who has perused the pages of Skeptical Inquirer or Skeptic has undoubtedly noticed, most articles in those publications would not be out of place in Popular Mechanics or a medical journal. I love science as much as the next skeptic, but I feel that skepticism needs to be broader than science—it needs to embrace the humanities as well, and to speak to people in a language they can understand rather than the rarified jargon of the academy.

The ancient astronaut theory is not science, and it does not believe in science in any real sense. Despite the lip service it pays to science, the theory uses scientific evidence only as decoration for a philosophy—an ideology—that is essentially a product of the humanities. No amount of scientific reasoning will change the minds of the true believers because they are immune to evidence. They cannot be reached, and there is no fact that will make them change their minds. Scientists and the science-literate, on the other hand, need no convincing to realize that the ancient astronaut theory contains no evidence and withstands no scrutiny. Skeptics do not need to preach to that choir because no persuasion is necessary.

The real battle, then, is for the hearts of those who are curious about the ancient astronaut theory, or merely intrigued by the Ancient Aliens documentary. Almost by definition, the majority of those in this group are not scientifically literate or they would already have rejected the theory. Reasoned appeals to scientific methodology, burdens of proof, and rules of evidence are simply meaningless in this context because the ancient astronaut theorists pay no attention to them, and it is simply not possible to rebut the ancient astronaut theory while simultaneously teaching the scientific method and inculcating an understanding of the history of science—all in the space of a few sentences or sound bites.

There are genuinely people who believe that an unidentified “they” would never allow TV to broadcast statements that aren’t true, and these people, who take it on faith that the talking heads on TV are honest, will not see past the false equivalence of talking heads. They will not place greater faith in a “scientist” versus an “ancient astronaut theorist” so long as the media pretend such titles are equivalent, and therefore even-handed discussions of facts, evidence, Occam’s razor, and probability will do nothing to counter enthusiastic citations of “ancient texts.” The dispassionate recitation of a scientist reads as boring, while an advocate’s passion translates into an emotional connection with TV viewers.

And this is where the humanities come in. First, too many science-based skeptics have conceded vast territory the ancient astronaut theorists (AATs) by allowing them to spew nonsense and lies about ancient literature. Understandably, most skeptics are more comfortable with the hard facts of natural science than the more subjective world of literary interpretation. But more than half of the “evidence” for the ancient astronaut theory comes from literary sources, and letting AATs defined the terms of the debate gives them far too much power.

Second, countering AATs’ claims is not a case of simply presenting scientific evidence and conclusions and trusting the audience to come to the right conclusion. No, one must actually use the tools of rhetoric, criticism, and the whole panoply of the humanities to present an effective case, one marked by the same enthusiasm and passion as the AATs demonstrate for their fake theory. This is not a rejection of science but a recognition that once the scientific evidence is in, it requires strong communication skills to deliver the message effectively.

One of the most effective tactics for countering AATs has nothing to do with science and everything to do with the art of rhetoric. My preferred method is to, for the sake of argument, presume all of the AATs claims about ancient texts are true and then, through remorseless logic, show how their own published or broadcast beliefs, which they cannot very well then deny holding, produce paradoxes and contradictions that undercut or demolish their own ideas. Many audiences don’t understand science, but they certainly understand when AATs tie themselves in knots trying to explain away their hypocrisy and contradictions. Understanding science is challenging; understanding when someone is making things up or lying is a lot easier.

For example, I recently demonstrated how Ancient Aliens “theorist” Giorgio Tsoukalos’s claims about aliens and pyramids produced an impossible dilemma. In a tweet attempting to explain his position on pyramid-building, Tsoukalos made three claims:

1. The beings called the “gods” were actually extraterrestrial beings.

2. Pyramids (and by extension other ancient buildings) were not built by these aliens but were instead built with the intellectual aid of aliens.

3. Ancient texts, taken at face value, prove the first and second claims.

Someone working from a natural science background would approach such claims by arguing about archaeological evidence, the probability of alien intervention, etc. But, as is obvious, the nebulous claim of “aid” makes it impossible to effectively refute these assertions based on physical evidence. (The aliens, for example, might merely have run a seminar on pyramid building, for example.)

But working from a humanities perspective, it’s far easier to expose the lies at the heart of the ancient astronaut theory, presuming one has a good command of the relevant ancient texts.

As I showed, the ancient Babylonian text, the Enuma Elish, taken at face value states that the “gods,” whom AATs identified as aliens, were responsible for the physical construction of the temples and great ziggurat of Babylon. They molded the bricks and stacked them into buildings.

Now, AATs have a problem: Claim 3 cannot be correct since another “ancient text” offers a different view. Claim 2 is now contradicted as well by a plain reading of the text under the assumptions the AATs themselves agreed upon. If the AATs wish to keep their theory intact, they need to choose one of two paths: recant their belief that ancient texts are literally true (impossible) or admit stated claims are wrong and accept against facts that aliens built the ziggurat, which can demonstrably be shown to be the work of human beings. To be fair, we have not proved Claim 1 is wrong. But here we can apply scientific evidence, and not just as decoration. Is there any scientific evidence for extraterrestrial artifacts in Babylon? Of course not; and now the evidence is all the more convincing because it comes on the AATs’ own terms.

This is why, pace C. P. Snow, the use of all the tools of the humanities is such an important complement to scientific facts when it comes to public communication. In the case described above, we are now in a much stronger position to ask Tsoukalos and the AATs whether they are ignorant, liars, or hypocrites—in short, are they just making things up out of whole cloth? Yes, this come close to an argumentum ad hominem, but the subject of the attack is not the personal character of the AATs but the intellectual underpinnings of their theory. And this line of attack—more than dry discussions of date, rocks, and probabilities—makes for an easy argument to follow and one that provides the requisite entertainment value needed to hold the attention of the media that put on such intellectual freak shows as Ancient Aliens.

350 Comments
Jim
4/26/2013 11:54:08 am

Please read:

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/andrews_star_people.htm

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Jason Colavito link
4/26/2013 01:46:35 pm

A lot of people in the 1990s believed in aliens. I'm not sure what you're suggesting.

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Aaron
3/3/2014 04:14:16 am

How do you explain one the megaliths such as puma punku or the vimanas in ancient indian texts which explain flying machines in detail and how they work

Jason Colavito link
3/3/2014 04:20:19 am

The vimana text you are referring to was published in the 1950s and was claimed to have been channeled from the spirit realm in the 1920s--after the advent of manned flight. Such technical descriptions do not appear in genuine ancient Sanskrit epics.

What of Puma Punku? Its rocks were carved with metal chisels and moved with human power.

Neah
7/19/2014 03:40:03 am

I think, this blog post is very close minded to possibilities. In fact, Ancient Alien Theory has more evidences than any religion can present!

I think logical people will always look for logic behind historical events, instead of simply believing in stories.

Brian Noble
11/17/2014 11:08:56 am

The criticism of the A.A.T is that it is unscientific. That it uses pseudo science to make its arguments. Well clearly Jason Colavito has not read 'The Third Explanation' on Amazon. An A.A.T book for the scientifically minded. If you are intelligent you should read it, whatever your current opinion, you will have a different one afterwards.

Rich
1/30/2015 07:01:13 pm

I have to say that you are wrong about 1 thing for certain in this article. You stated that:

Tsoukalos made three claims:

1. The beings called the “gods” were actually extraterrestrial beings.

I have never once heard him call them extraterrestrial beings, although I have heard him call them exraterrestrial plenty of times!

marc d
6/12/2015 07:22:24 pm

Jason you said, "What of Puma Punku? Its rocks were carved with metal chisels and moved with human power." There is no way for you to prove that and actually the cuts in those stones most likely cannot have been made so precise (when looking at them under a microscrope) with a chisel.

Jae Thompson
7/19/2015 08:43:55 am

I will be writing a compare and contrast report and will be using this website as a NON RELIABLE source. You should feel honored!

Tablekid
9/13/2015 09:06:14 am

You must know that even the decades before the 1990s, there's a lot of people already believed that aliens exist. Our planet is not the only planet in the whole universe, in fact, we're even smaller than the grain of sand in the whole beach of stars and planets in the galaxy. Therefore a 99.9% of possibility that another life exist dwells in another planet. The problem with us earthlings, if we cannot detect life supporting elements such as air and water in another planet, we always assume that life is impossible to exist. What if the poisonous gas for us in Jupiter is the main life-supporting elements for those who dwells in their?

david young
9/13/2015 01:38:15 pm

I like to think I'm pretty open minded and a.a.t is an interesting one but regardless of what you believe it is very evident that at some point in history there had to have been a higher intelligence on this planet. The a.a.t does offer a better explanation for many things mainstream scientists continue to scratch their heads over but I remain skeptical and I encourage you people to do the same,,don't believe everything ancient aliens claims. Remain skeptical and form your own opinion

cullen nunyabeesknees
1/11/2016 07:47:35 pm

My only problem is you putting down us scientificaly intellegent people if we think the show MIGHT be possible.I mean, your just as bad as the people who persecuted Galileo Galelei for his idea of a heliocentric solar system, just cuz its not exactly what YOU believe.Its not that likely, I agree, but don't hate against the people who think it is.

Andunodis
2/8/2016 07:43:24 am

Bollox you served no evidence just your own belief ,,,,, and preach like your doing someone a favour talking this dribble ,,,, its no very clear to many people our history has been manipulated to suit the current leaders ,, and that has been for hundreds of years ,,,, people didnt jus get savvy in the last century ya know .


Open your eyes

A
2/14/2016 02:55:51 pm

You mean not having a single physical shred of proof and a bunch of people basically making up a storyline about a bunch of figures carved intova rock isn't a slam dunk for you?????

Sabaton
4/9/2016 09:50:35 am

I love arrogant assholes who undertake not one not jot of serious research in order to show their stunted level of intellect.

The only way religion and it's uncomfortable snippets of technological musings makes any sense is with one of two theories, be it ancient astronaut or that of a lost high tech civilisation.

Not to mention the big spanner in the pure Darwinian evolution theory. If the mechanism for change and adaptation is a slow evolving over vast epochs, the time span and evidence is clearly out of sync and would not give rise to the homo sapien as presented in such a small time frame.

Jay
7/21/2016 11:16:07 pm

I have stoned artifacts that r magnetized of aliens with angel wings. And they r dressed like an Egyptians.Please email at the above. Thanks

Kathleen
1/9/2017 06:24:36 am

Jim sends you an interesting Native American legend about the star people that used to come and visit them, stories they have preserved and passed down from generation to generation, and all you have to say is.. "a lot of people believed in aliens in the nineties"?? Really? How sincerely thoughtful of you. 🤔🙄

jojo
2/14/2017 08:15:25 am

ok prove there were no past alien visit. cause u havent proved anything. there is as much proof there was as theres proof there was not.. its kind of like GOD prove there is one. ok prove there isnt. but hey what do u expect the great men the thinkers the ones with the high IQs what have they done with there great minds cured cancer . poverty. hunger wars. developed a free energy source?? man in all his wisdom cant explain nothing. how did we get here what caused the big bang how does everything come from nothing??? ok give me some answers the biggest thing that gets me is there beaming signals into space and listening for alien contact WHY? cause they believe its out there so to believe they couldnt have visited in the past is the same denial they argued that the world was flat the great minds at that time

Mr Cabbage
11/23/2019 04:06:24 pm

Ha ha ha! Alien "theorists". The comments section only helps to demonstrate the point made in the article that you can't reach fruitcakes with logic or reason. The whole idea of "ancient aliens" doing all these things claimed by the fruitcakes are so ridiculous, and utterly lacking in evidence, that a sane person doesn't even know where to begin in "refuting" them. How does one go about "refuting" bullshit? If a child says they have an imaginary friend, does one "refute" it? No, of course not. That would be a waste of time. The only sensible responses are either to ignore the brat or laugh out loud at their ignorant innocence.

G Burgers
7/16/2014 03:02:58 am

There are many signs of extraterrestrial life, , they found tablets on the pyramids with designs of planes and spacecrafts, I think it is not something you can ignore and call stupid

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J Hughes
10/13/2014 11:38:13 am

Actually do some research.. Any rep. Site explains it.. Your seeing a couple different overlapping symbols.

Emery Rapkay
2/1/2017 02:22:21 pm

I look at what is written and see that there are still some among us that are from the flat earth era. The Bible, The ancient structures, the texts ARE ALL PROOF that other worldly events happened on Earth in the distant past as humankind could not have built, written any of this on their own. It is not the AAT's that have this wrong, it is the old school dinosaurs that cannot accept the truth. Dismissing everything as hear say and innuendo instead of using their intelligence to put 2 and 2 together and see the facts for what they are.
and not what they would like it to be. Take your blinkers off, smell the coffee, open your eyes and embrace the truth - be enlightened. The proof you say that AAT's are wrong is flawed in so many ways to the point that it is ridiculous to believe that you may be right. Understand one thing that Skeptics and critics go out of their way to debunk things, drawing strings through semi truthes, lies and misinformation in order to make a point - sad but true

jake
11/28/2014 07:12:32 am

Hi, the basis of your article was that the alien theorists haven't been using science properly or at all to explain their theories. In your article you do not present any actual evidence to counteract their theory. Please do not refer to their scientific method being invalid if you will not present your own alternative. I respect any opinion but if you do not back it up with legitimate points then i can not take it as valid.

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Rich
7/29/2015 04:41:28 pm

Exactly what I was thinking, short of using big words, no counter evidence is provided in this rant to undermine any of the theories proposed by the AAT, I'm not saying I am a believer but the fact of the matter is the show Ancient Aliens sparks one major lesson in my mind, a lesson I was taught by my high scool biology teacher. The lesson is " question everything" don't take what "experts" say as doctrine unless you research the theory yourself. And lastly, people have believed in religion on this planet for thousands of years without one recent shred of evidence or demonstration, yet even to this day people take the beliefs handed down from one generation to the next as "gospel" based solely on faith so what is so different for someone like me who feels more scientifically bound to take something like the AAT that ties physical evidence, explained with alternative theories that make more sense in my mind and heart as possible.
Lastly, nowhere in the AAT does it contradict the belief in Religion or a god, in fact in my opinion it actually reinforces religion, it just gives it a more scientific explanation. Gods = aliens or Aliens = Gods what's the difference? The only difference I see is that with aliens, religion loses some of its mystery thus defusing some of its power over man through the church, it allows the common man to connect with them and not feel like religion is a business dictated by one correct sect, but rather it is a globally connected phenomenon and all religions and holy texts are the account of the same events from different points of view.
The human race needs to unite as one to push our planet into the future, we need to stop the hate and accept the fact that nobody really knows "for sure". And that we are all equal, I feel the AAT provides that because it included everyone under one belief. Rather then segregating humanity based beliefs in "different religions" even though if one looks at the core values and stories of all religions they basically are the same.

Kathleen
1/9/2017 06:32:13 am

Thank you Jake!!! My thoughts exactly!

Mr Cabbage
11/23/2019 04:03:30 pm

Ha ha ha! Alien "theorists". Comments like yours only help to demonstrate the point made in the article that you can't reach fruitcakes with logic or reason. The whole idea of "ancient aliens" doing all these things claimed by the fruitcakes are so ridiculous, and utterly lacking in evidence, that a sane person doesn't even know where to begin in "refuting" them. How does one go about "refuting" bullshit? If a child says they have an imaginary friend, does one "refute" it? No, of course not. That would be a waste of time. The only sensible responses are either to ignore the brat or laugh out loud at their ignorant innocence.

GE Steiger link
1/16/2015 07:36:12 pm

I see a lot of unfounded criticism here and personal opinion, nothing more. There is science in some Ancient discoveries, more than you have here to prove otherwise. Don't be afraid to learn something other than the whay your indoctrination has falsly lead you to believe. One of the most logical tthoughts of our beginning is from Space Aliens. Where is you science of God, aka Jesus? Evolution has science behind it and the missing linkmight just be Aliens. You are angry and have a very narrow view.

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Xris
9/12/2015 07:18:01 pm

The missing link is aliens? Shows that you know nothing about evolution, at all. There are multiple missing links in any given tree, and just because it's there, doesn't mean "aliens did it". That's tantamount to the god of gaps fallacy, and is laughable.

mike Gaensslen
3/26/2016 02:23:43 pm

Right on GE, you put it where it is at! In addition, nothing has and still is causing more grief on this Earth then Religion! The AAT might just unite us more.

russell
4/10/2015 06:19:33 pm

What do you think about perhaps the coming of God has been happening for centuries in a sense that ancient technology was not reinvented until the time that we really can grasp now. In years to come we might have to start all over again just like the past

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RICH
7/29/2015 04:46:22 pm

Agreed, what if a plague hit that killed off 99% of our population, no internet, no electricity, no cell phone, no basics, no doctors, no farmers, no scientists would that 1% now how to rebuild all the technology we have today? Or would it plunge us into a dark age where people would have to slowly relearn everything we already know, it would take thousands of years to regenerate all the knowledge lost. I know I don't know how to do open heart surgery, do you?

John
6/17/2016 11:56:17 pm

Are ancient astronaut theorist suggestions all 100% reality? Ancient astronaut theorists say, "yes," have any of them been smoking to much weed provided to them by extra terrestrial terra formers, ancient human beings like me think so.

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lsume link
3/15/2017 06:37:37 pm

As a mechanical engineer with a fair amount of experience in R&D and physics, I can't watch those programs where every minor engineering marvel is explained as coming into being by an ancient astronaut. They might try to explain a singular such feat with their imaginations but everything!!! Ever since "The Forbidden Planet", I think that there have been people that think that reducing a living creature to light patterns and reassembling them at some distant location is possible. If there were intelligent beings living elseware in the universe, there simply hasn't been enough time since the Big Bang for these other creatures to have developed such technology. The odds of a tornado blowing through a junk yard and randomly creating a 747 is infinitely more probable than for a single living cell to occur at random. As the author of the lead article stated, it's impossible to reason with ancient alien theorists using the general theorems of pumutations and combinations.

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Anu
3/16/2017 12:54:08 am

You mean to tell me 4+ billion years is not enough time to develope interstellar travel. And that's just going off the scientifically projected age of our Earth, which is relatively young compared to the rest of the celestial bodies in the known universe. The claim that AAT proponents have no real scientific knowledge is hog wash. As mentioned in previous comments, the earth was once believed to be flat, and at the center of the universe. We now know the Earth to be round, 1 of 8-9 planets( if you still include pluto) that actual orbit the sun in an arm of the milkyway galaxy which is no where near the center of the universe..... Maybe one day we will find the hard evidence you so desperately need to believe other worldy beings actually came to earth and helped our ancestors achieve greatness. Im sure you believe in some form of a higjer power with no scientific evidence to support your claim right?

lsume link
3/16/2017 08:57:56 am

Based on your name and response ANU, I can see that you are upset. 3 billion years is insignificant when you consider how much time it takes for a planet to cool and stabalize. It's practically no time when you consider the time that it would take for a single cell organism to randomly form. I certainly didn't want to upset you nor did I wish for others to insult you. However, your reponse seems to have elicited both. Perhaps a concise study of the general theorems of probability and combinations and then a study of the Krebs cycle long enough to get the idea of what I was trying to get across in my post might help.

Masd
7/7/2017 11:08:10 am

If that is the best the AAT haters have, they need to come harder then that. To people that really understand the THEORY, there is much more evidence to suggest intervention.

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diviine curtis
5/21/2013 04:13:04 am

you really have no clue what reality is your false perception and ignorance of your half working non purpose being of a self amuses me

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mike gaensslen
3/26/2016 02:31:10 pm

And I'll bet, you feel like you are smart divine curtis? People like you make me sick and support the Churches! Rich's thoughts are right on the money and maybe it is time that 99% of us disappear forever, just hoping that the 1% won't be you oe the whole mess will repeat itself!

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D.K.
7/14/2013 08:02:55 am

wow I had no idea sheep could write articles.

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Kyle link
8/14/2014 04:45:32 pm

See, I don't believe this crap. But for Christ's sake, I barley believe anything. I'm prettymuch a fucking Nihilist. The problem I have with the Ancient astranaught theorists (argue with my dad about this all the time sense he's a huge fan of the show), it is a cool theory, it does make sense AT TIMES with SOME things that they say. The BIG PROBLEM it gives me is, they don't sit there saying we THINK, or anything. They may, but that ends up crumpling away, and they begin going into "YES! YES! AND THEY DID THIS AND YES, YES AND THEY DID THAT! AND YES, THAT HAPPENED, THE HAD TO HAVE THIS!!!". The thing is, we don't even know everything about our planet. I mean, there could've, KEYWORD: COULD'VE, been a ancient civilization millions of years back that was extinct, NO ALIENS, just similar beings to us, or the exact same thing. And they had technology, likewise to how we have in modern day, and were able to create buildings like this with more ease than our history books will tell us. Hey! That's a theory! It's POSSIBLE, but is it WHAT HAPPENED? I really don't know. Is ancient aliens what happened? I don't know, and neither do you or the Ancient astranaught theorists or anyone else. No one can answer any of this, we can THINK, we can have OPINIONS and THEORIES. But we can't say ANY of it is WRONG or RIGHT unless there is PROOF. This is how it works in that thing most people forget about, reality. Idgaf if you're a scientist, or speaking scientifically, same goes for them. Scientists cannot put their theories down, unless they have evidence to put it down. If they don't, they can say "I don't know" or "Maybe" as anyone should, because no one has proof. HAH! It's such a fucking joke dudes!! These guys "we're right" those guys "no we're right". WTMF? Who cares, for one. For two, let's actually spend this money discovering things about Earth we don't know, like exploring under the ocean which we really barley know ANYTHING about when you look at how much we haven't even reached. Yet we're exploring space. Man we are a stupid species in so many factoring ways, that's one thing I can point to as fact, with PLENTY of evidence. HAHA! xD Back to seriousness... I just feel that there's no reason to say Ancient astranaught theorists are wrong, unless it can be proved without a shadow of a doubt they are. For instance, I know they like to say "that beam of light they talked about in this book(usually the holy bible or an ancient text) was actually a UFO being piloted by an intelligent-creature as ourselves. "Okay.. Now I personally don't think its correct. My opinion. but I will NOT go as far to say it's impossible, ever, unless PROVEN without the shadow of a doubt that it IS impossible for the theory presented to be incorrect. And in reality, we have no way to know most of these things because we can't trust history 100%, how much do you think has been lost, changed and destroyed by cultures over thousands of years? A lot, for places all over the world. So barley anyone knows a thing about history, and again, we weren't there for many of these historical events. So, we cannot look a world history, let it initiate us to make a theory and say it's true, or say it's false. It's *maybe*, and until proven or disproven, that's what it remains. *maybe*
Just like Jesus Christ, God, Odin, Thor, and prettymuch any god from an ancient civilization. No one has the proof to say it's real, or not real. It's all a big fat maybe, and I feel we waste valuable time trying to figure out answers to things we're never going to find by thinking. We can only find these answers, if even there to find, by going out and learning, and discovering. If we don't do this, than the answers, however many, that ARE THERE TO FIND, may never be found, again, IF they are EVEN THERE. Keep an open mind everyone, and thanks for reading(if you did). \m/

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alan hughes
2/12/2015 12:03:37 am

I would take more notice of you if you could spell.

Rich
7/29/2015 04:52:22 pm

When we landed on the moon or eventually when we land on Mars are we the aliens now? Instead MARTIANS we would be call Earthtians

John
6/18/2016 12:23:57 am

Me thinks that you have a good grasp on reality. I have a saying don't piss down my back and try to tell me it's raining. Ancient astronaut theorists have great imaginations, some of them suggest interesting maybes or might haves, but to blatantly state, yes this is how it is or must be, or to state some of these far fetched suggestions, are what happened, is preposterous to me. I'm 50 years old, back in the late 60s and 70a duck, up until a couple of years ago the three words Ancient, Alien, Theorists, didn't even exist together in that order, that was no such thing as an aat. Not in any dictionary. Just a bunch of the dumbest smart people, trying to put credence to something that really shouldn't matter or like you said, who fucking cares, get back down to earth, and explore more important tangible things here in the present so we might have a better understanding of the here and now so as to ensure a future human state of being, I'm sure future generations would tell aats to get a real job.

Christopher A Kastronis
9/24/2016 10:44:04 am

I love you. I am a believer in AAT. However i am because i realize that we know nothing for sure. Yes the show does try and make everything exact. But its a tv show and they neef to make it exciting and ground breaking for people to watch. Alot of what they say is false and they twists facts to make there point who doesnt do that. The fact is nobody knows for sure as you said and thats the beauty of it. Nothing we know is exact the earth was thought to be flat at one point and you were crazy to think otherwise. So really nothing is certain. However i do beleive in AAT because it interests me and i enjoy believing in it so am i wrong for that? Isnt that what religious people do and have done for years and killed for??? Same thing in my opinion except AAT arent waging wars over their beliefs.

Paul
12/16/2016 08:24:24 pm

Alex Jones
3/16/2017 01:10:10 pm

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

MassAppeal
7/7/2017 11:24:13 am

This dude is a clown. He thinks so highly of himself he feels as if he is above explanation. He presents absolutley NO facts. EXPLAIN. Why did the Mayans dissapear? How did they aquire such precise astronomical knowledge? You imply that all of the ideas presented by AAT can easily be explained saying humans acted among, while also refuting the flood theory, so how/ when did we lose this technology? Gebleki has now totally destroyed mainstream archeology's human advancement timeline. There is no question about that. How did people right out of the Younger Driys period produce this? It cannot be explained by your logic. Your rational discounts the work of very intelligent people, by labeling them all as crazy. Graham Hancock has some of the best work that is backed up scientifically. Every civilization in history has stated in their ancient texts that the gods came from the SKY and taught them in various disciplines. You cannot refute that. Dummy.

Trav
7/29/2017 03:32:04 am

Kyle,
I find myself on the other side of the argument. I do feel the aat is a likely possibility. However, i am open minded enough to know that it is ONLY a possibility. While i disagree with your opinion that the aat is not probable, i do very much appreciate your ability to accept that you could be wrong. What it all comes down to, is that NOBODY KNOWS. It is extremely rare to find and individual who has a belief, and knows that it is simply that. If all people were rational enough to accept that at this current time, we can not possibly KNOW if any religion is true or not, then the entire human race would be far better off.

Sophie
12/9/2017 03:21:28 pm

Hey Alex

Perhaps I can run this

" I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. "

past Don Shipley and see if your name is in his database.

Mike
8/5/2019 10:52:08 am

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rd
1/25/2015 12:03:39 pm

Lmao

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Mike Gancot
5/4/2019 04:24:28 pm

Be careful what you wish for!

Erik
8/7/2013 10:28:51 am

Please, keep in mind that their are still many, MANY unasnwered questions in regards to exactly why/when/HOW many of the world's megaliths were constructed.

At the very least I believe there were likely advanced human civilizations before the last Ice Age, whom were wiped out due to said Ice Age, and the remnants of which were carried away to sea when said Ice Age ended and the world began to melt and flood.

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John
6/18/2016 12:31:02 am

We build greater things in the here and now. Tunnels through mountains, who's to say that our technology hasn't been discovered throughout the past many times. From stoneage to modernity to ascension, or inhalation, then back to stoneage again repeating itself from the very beginning of human existence, whenever it might have began. Think on that shit, monoliths are child's play dude

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Erik
8/7/2013 10:33:43 am

Additionally, please understand that many religions Holy Books ACTUALLY STATE that their "Gods" were PHYSICAL BEINGS, WHICH DESCENDED TO EARTH FROM THE HEAVENS amidst flames, great winds, and chaos (animals scaterring, land burning, trees be toppled instantly).

These things are often referred to as "Dragons" or "Chariots of Fire." Several religions actually speak, SPECIFICALLY of what they (in their native tongue) have named "Space People"

Let me ask you something: Do you believe that YOUR God requires a dragon or a chariot of fire to move throughout the Universe?

Since my God created the entire Universe (and this is basically the belief of any/every religion) I don't believe he would require any sort of "vessel" to navigate the vastness of space.

A true "God" would have an infinite understanding of the Universe he created.

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Jason Colavito link
8/7/2013 11:42:59 am

Would that God be Yahweh? Psalm 18:10-11 says Yahweh flies on a "cherubim," and Ezekiel 10 and 11 describes the chariot/vehicle of God as a "cherubim." So it seems that Yahweh has a chariot after all. Or is his merely poetic while all others are literal?

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Brian Manjuck
11/23/2013 04:59:53 am

I understand your arguments against AAT's But there is a lot of unexplained impossible buildings and the way they built with stone. Puma Punka for example there is no way that man could have done some of this stuff. I think you believe we are the only life in the universe! open ur mind Jason!

tyler
1/10/2014 10:51:27 am

all you did was give a bible verse. you didnt disprove the fact that God doesnt need a craft to move through a universe He created. also, a cherubim is an angel. thanks for playing though ;)

Neah
7/20/2014 02:56:54 am

I have nothing against the Bible, or any religious book.. but have you realized those were written by HUMANS too?? Like, thousands of years ago when "Aliens" and spacecrafts and "spaceship" are not yet in the vocabulary. Just give it a thought.

Steve
1/15/2015 01:21:22 pm

As a believer, the bible clearly states that God and his angels use vehicles. What that exactly means is as good as the imagination allows to extract these descriptions and draw oneself a mental picture of it. It does not necessarily mean a flying saucer. I have no problem with advance mankind doing any of what archeology has found over the years. I think it a bit arrogant to assume we are more advanced just because we carry around smart phones today. The ancients( mankind that is) were obviously very technologically advanced in structural practices. Ok, so they never created a video game console but that's a different kind of technology...not necessarily more advanced than a structural achievement like the pyramids. Biblically, I have to take a lot of it on faith. Even if I could prove the existence of God....which I can't, it would not be with natural science, since natural science would obviously not be equipped to deal with the supernatural...how could it possibly?

Joseph Stamdingbear
7/22/2015 07:19:41 pm

Jason, great post about science, but it sounds so mainstream. Science is never ending and evolves and is very to even state the obvious its fact of origins. you quoted scripture from The King James Bible which fails to gives a totality of truth. when you have the Sinaitic Codex out there spelling other sayings. IDK about Aliens, How come we cannot emulate the structures of acient times? Whatever technology they used to assist and increase human strength should have evolved thousands of years prior to our technology of robotics and technology of today. Or it has been harness and has been kept form the common people to make life much mor efficient. Ask me thi, What is C.E.R.N up to? And you know very well what I am talking about!

John
6/18/2016 12:48:55 am

Subjective, as interpretation of ancient biblical texts are often metaphorical. Rule one when reading the bible, it's the holy spirit that reveals the meaning to the reading believer.

Sophie
1/21/2017 02:41:25 pm

Do you not think that in the rush to denounce AAT that you are actually stating things yourself that would need backing up.
Puma Punko is an interesting example. If you know anything about buildings and construction methods, this may make sense. I suspect that it is constructed from prefabricated concrete blocks, and that is by no means modern, the Romans used a from of concrete a lot. No one knows what the mix was, and as such how it may have simulated a harder form of natural rock. I am not saying this concrete hypothesis is true, it would have to be tested. But to simply dismiss someone's idea out of hand (Like AAT) and at the same time offer no viable hypothetical alternative is not really science either. As for the Hebrew writings, (Ezekiel) that is a tough one given that thanks to the loss of a lot of literature from the time, it is hard to put in in any context other than the ones presently stated (Religious or speculative)

John A
9/2/2017 06:36:32 am

Psalm 18 10-11 doesn't say that at all and Ezekiel 10:11 is in the context of "a vision". Psalms are poems, songs and prayers to Yahweh and have a great deal of figurative and literary devices. Ezekiel is prophetic and apocalyptic literature and it also uses a great deal of literary and figurative language especially in describing visions. It is important to approach the scriptures with the appropriate "lens" of its genre. Remember there are 4 senses of scripture and the literal meaning is but one.

Missile Man
1/30/2014 11:38:09 am

Actually, only the three Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) believe their god is the creator of the universe. All of the other religions of humanity, past or present, believed in pantheons of gods, one (or a very few) of whom created the earth and it's nearby environs. According to ancient texts from Sumeria, Akkad, Egypt, Assur, and Hattus (a.k.a., Hatti), these gods were apparently "accumulated" over the ages as various groups combined to create larger groups, with each elemental group donating their gods to the combined pantheon. Frequently, gods with similar characteristics where considered to be one-in-the same, and a conjunctive name was adopted (e.g., Amun-Re), or one or the other of the group's names was adopted by all groups (e.g., Sumerian's Anu and Enlil originated in the Mesopotamian area near ancient Uruk, but were adopted as the names for gods with similar characteristics across the entire ancient orient). As to vehicular travel, I'll cite several example of gods needing such to move about. Apollo had his golden chariot. Mercury had his winged shoes. Egyptian gods such as Osiris and Amun-Ra traveled in canoes or ships (depending upon the translation). The Babylonian Marduk traveled on a dragon.

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J man
10/13/2014 11:48:52 am

Guess these aliens that built all these places could talk to us, tell us how to build shit. Give us all this knowledge but could not explain to the humans they where not gods and that was not a magic dragon but a STAR SHIP.. Dumb ass aliens..

Brian Noble
11/22/2014 03:24:12 am

Good - someone doing some research for a change.

Anu
3/16/2017 01:18:53 am

Jman, you wield greater power when you are perceived as divine, than a mere mortal. Look at the Incas Mayans and Aztecs. When the spanish conquistadors land in the americas they were perceived as the prophesied return of their gods. The never made any correction on the false assumption because the indigenous peoples were easier to control and eradicate when under the belief that they were in the presence of true gods.

mike Gaensslen
3/26/2016 02:43:59 pm

Boy, Erik, did you ever hit the nail on the head!
Most people seem to closed minded to understand this. God is not a what, it, God is what we call in human terms "I don't know". Everything stems from Nature, is Nature and always will be Nature. Mankind's brain is not developed to understand nature to it's entirety but only to the point necessary for mankind to survive. Praying to God only will condition a humans consciousness and take action from there, without the humans knowledge. The whole thing of Religion has been the greatest Con in human history!

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John
6/18/2016 12:45:03 am

Birds are physical beings that descend upon the earth from the heavens. People worship all kinds of God's, physical and non physical, hieroglyphs are ancient carvings that no longer relevant, although interesting, maybe we should look at them as beautiful works of art, instead of trying to decipher every little meaning, and appreciate the cultural elements of antiquities, and leave a little mystery something to the imagination, instead of over anylizing things until the case goes cold or filling in the blanks to try to make sense of simple things, that maybe we don't need the knowledge of perhaps try to explain which came first, the chicken or the egg and you'll get what I mean. More important things are in the here and now, though archeology would be a nice hobby, but most archeologists me thinks are nothing more than glorified treasure hunters.

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Trav
7/29/2017 03:44:27 am

The chicken had to come first. The egg can't hatch without a chicken to incubate it.

Anastasia
8/9/2013 07:24:35 am

I was really hoping for a solid argument against the ancient astronaut theory. While I am currently leaning toward believing it, I am eager to find contradicting evidence. I read nothing here worthwhile. You argued that AA theorists are idiots and ignoring scientific evidence to the contrary of their beliefs while I'm sitting here looking for just that. You went on for paragraphs about the lack of scientific evidence for AA theory and promised you had evidence proving it wrong, but neglected to share it with me.

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Jason Colavito link
8/9/2013 07:27:37 am

I've written more than 200,000 words about the ancient astronaut theory on this website, and you complain that the "paragraphs" you read don't have enough information? You are welcome to start by going to the "Articles" tab and selecting "Ancient Astronaut Fraud" or "Ancient Aliens Reviews." All of the information is there, but don't expect me to rewrite 200,000 words of it because you chose not to read it. Come back after you've read all of that material.

By the way: You can't prove a hypothesis is impossible, only that there is no evidence to support it. That is what I have done.

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tyler
1/10/2014 10:56:39 am

also 200,00 words doesnt mean anything. i can type 200,00 words in this comment and it could say absolutely nothing. and it took you 200,00 words to type one paragraph to try and disprove one tweet from an ancient astronaught theorist and i still dont think you did very good job.

marco
4/12/2014 10:43:41 am

Jason your work is awesome and your grasp of logic and argument construction is very intellectual, I admire your approach as well as that of Chris White and Dr Heiser on this topic.
I almost got sucked into the AA thought process but I watched the ancient aliens debunked videos and swiftly felt like an idiot. Anybody on the fence should check those out, there are a lot of good scientific references during the video and bibliography provided.

As for you AA theorists I kind of hope aliens do come down and take all of you with so the rest of us logic based individuals on this planet can continue our evolution and progress without your naivety bothering us along the way.

Jason Colavito link
4/12/2014 01:15:59 pm

Thanks, Marco!

Ari Royce
4/12/2014 05:14:44 pm

Marco, you're idiot. Don't get sucked by this TG Jason (The Goat), and Chris White, and Heiser - they're all idiot. I also hope you don't subscribe to creationist and kindas - you're smell one - because it would make you completely super-idiot.

AA theory is never get debunked. Ones that get debunked are just their fake evidences - but never the theory itself. AA theory and as any other theories start a new idea because there're things that don't belong to any existing theories. This idea started long before the Von Daniken itself - which as for your information, this Von Daniken guy is just a free rider on that AA theory - so in order to boost his book sales, he faked many evidences. The same case with this Jason The Goat but from the opposite direction - is just free rider to AA theory - using fake evidences to say having debunked the theory. The AA theory would lives well, and would still serve as one good theory well as long as there's still no better explanation to those "disturbing" evidences. You just have to be open mind but not until your brain falls off, in either way like fake AA "theorist" or falls of in other direction like this Jason The Goat.

marco
4/13/2014 05:52:00 am

Geez, first of all don't believe that I follow creationism based off your ignorant assumptions. I just follow logic based off of more believable evidence, it does jot have to be creationism. Not only that you're comment had nothing of any tangible substance in it, just a conglomeration of awful grammatical errors. For your info I am aware erik von danichen did not start aa theory and that started it. Both of who have no valuable experience in ancient history or summerian language but have an awful lot of experience in making up nonsense stories. I'll admit the prospect of aa is super interesting but I think believing it stems from a longing for something more or a greater understanding of our origins as humans. If you want to pursue that study look up useful information about homo erectus or a very interesting guy named Denis Dutton rather than subscribing to a bunch of fanciful stories that some money hungry individuals fabricated because they had no other valuable skills to offer. Just use logic please

marco
4/13/2014 05:52:38 am

Geez Ari, first of all don't believe that I follow creationism based off your ignorant assumptions. I just follow logic based off of more believable evidence, it does jot have to be creationism. Not only that you're comment had nothing of any tangible substance in it, just a conglomeration of awful grammatical errors. For your info I am aware erik von danichen did not start aa theory and that started it. Both of who have no valuable experience in ancient history or summerian language but have an awful lot of experience in making up nonsense stories. I'll admit the prospect of aa is super interesting but I think believing it stems from a longing for something more or a greater understanding of our origins as humans. If you want to pursue that study look up useful information about homo erectus or a very interesting guy named Denis Dutton rather than subscribing to a bunch of fanciful stories that some money hungry individuals fabricated because they had no other valuable skills to offer. Just use logic please

marco
4/13/2014 05:56:09 am

Ah sorry about the double post !

Ari Royce
4/13/2014 06:48:37 am

Marco!!! "You'll admit the prospect of aa is super interesting"??? Denis Dutton?? And then you're asking tangible substance??? Do you know what it is?? It's right in front of your balls: "THEORY STARTS FROM NO EVIDENCE" G.E.T I.T !!!??? Look up the dictionary - there may be a slot for you next to the "i"Word. Congratulation you just booked a sit in creationist place where no evidence is stretched as argument to lengthen the life of dark age teaching. Wow just reading about your "believing"... for you information : no-healthy-mind believes in something whatever it is like your statement. Feel sorry for you to just wandering in this kind of idiot blogs seeing idiots arguing their believing.

My english - I love my english - Im proud of inventing my own grammar. Don't you want to try it???

marco
4/13/2014 07:39:02 am

You're a lost cause.
You really should learn to analyze things more critically.

Although, the main piece of evidence I can't wrap my head around is how Giorgio tsiokolas gets his hair to be that way, clearly he must have some sort of antigravity alien technology,

marco
4/13/2014 07:43:22 am

Ah hopeless
You really should learn to analyze things more critically.

Although, the main piece of evidence I can't wrap my head around is how Giorgio tsiokolas gets his hair to be that way, clearly he must have some sort of antigravity alien technology,

marco
4/13/2014 07:43:40 am

Ah hopeless
You really should learn to analyze things more critically.

Although, the main piece of evidence I can't wrap my head around is how Giorgio tsiokolas gets his hair to be that way, clearly he must have some sort of antigravity alien technology,

Ari Royce
4/13/2014 07:59:39 am

Giorgio Tsiokolas??? Really??? That's the name in your mind that you bring up to this discussion?? Is that the reason of why you claimed you've debunked the aa theory??? What's next in your mind?? Atlantis theory?? That stupid Baghdad's battery?? No wonder you're aaahh soo hopeless.

Critically?? Really?? Critically nggghh.. such yourself by praising this goat class of blog?? This is like you're saying gravity theory is non-sense by debunking illusionist that bends gravity. Whata creationist logic!

paul
10/20/2014 03:23:59 am

sigh, no that is not what you've done. by outright saying that you've defeated AAT evidence, you've ruined your credibility. Because AAT does have a lot of strong evidence, even if it is (if only a little bit) ridiculous

Steve
1/15/2015 01:30:50 pm

"By the way: You can't prove a hypothesis is impossible, only that there is no evidence to support it. That is what I have done."

I think that this is a much more reasonable approach for a skeptic to take....this coming from a Christian...who's belief is faith based....The term evidence is a funny one and misunderstood more than not....evidence is not proof necessarily, but it's an arrow of direction toward a means of trying to prove something. No two lawyers( opposing ones that is) are going to agree on the same interpretation of any given piece of evidence....that is why we have defense and prosecution. The judge will ultimately make his ruling based solely on his perspective shaped by the way each lawyer presented his case. The person listening to any evidence will ultimately have to be the judge on matters such as these.

Missile Man
1/30/2014 11:47:13 am

I cannot argue against the entire AA concept. There are nuggets there that are difficult to refute. However, there are ideas and concepts that bear greater scrutiny or a simple application of science and logic. For example, AAT rationalizes, based upon Sitchin's theories, that extraterrestrials came to Earth to retrieve our valuable minerals such as gold, iron, copper, etc. However, the asteroid belt contains hundreds of times the amount of any given mineral found on Earth, and it would require much less work to get those minerals. For one thing, the ETs would not have to contend with entering or leaving Earth's gravity well, which represents the majority of the expense for human space programs. It would be much easier to mine and process materials from asteroids as only mass must be contended with, and not the difficulties that Earth's gravity adds to the equation. I don't propose to claim to think like ETs, but from a standpoint of pure logic, it would seem that mining asteroids would be the cheaper and easier course; a much, much better cost/benefit ratio.

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stink
2/17/2014 05:57:15 pm

unless you need a workforce

Brian Noble
11/22/2014 03:28:41 am

All of you should read The Third Explanation Amazon Kindle.

April
5/20/2014 06:41:14 am

I agree Anastasia. This article felt more like a whinny rant against the AAT verses a solid argument discrediting the AAT.

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J man
10/13/2014 11:54:17 am

Go look up contradictions between Stitchins made up translations and actual cuniform translations.. 99% of them are off by miles.. The so called ancient texts don't even say what the AAT. Claim...

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Engineer
6/17/2016 05:53:29 am

Dear Ancient Astronaut Enthusiast:The intent of this letter is in the interest of research, not confrontation. In no way do I intend to impugn anyone'scharacter. What I ask is that you provide answers and data to support your theories. Here are my questions / requests.1.Can you please provide transcripts of Zecharia Sitchin's academic ancient language work? I would like to postthis information on my website, and would gladly do so.Zecharia Sitchin never claimed to have had an accademic scholarship, he was a self-taught linguist in akkadian andsumerian.
2.
Can you explain why Sitchin's work on Genesis 1:26-27 overlooks so many obvious grammatical indicationsthat the word
elohim
in that passage refers to a single deity (as demonstrated on this website)?The issue that Zecharia '
overlooks so many indication
' is an assumption of yours. Zecharia never enters the problem of whether there are indications for plural or singular, and NEVER says that Elohim must ALWAYS be seen as a plural. If you think otherwise please provide the exact phrase in Sitchin's books where he tells it.The point in Sitchin discussion is that when the writers of Genesis copied from the sumerian tablets, they had torearrange the plural forms and acts to a single deity. But at the same time in the Genesis there are traces of a plurality of beings, and by the way it is the same thing YOU say in your website.Let's compare an excerpt from Sitchin's “The 12
th
planet” with the content of you 'Elohim' webpage:Sitchin:
In the Sumerian versions, the decision to create Man was adopted by the gods in their Assembly. Significantly, the Book of Genesis - purportedly exalting the achievements of a sole Deity - uses the plural Elohim (literally, "deities") todenote "God," and reports an astonishing remark: And Elohim said: "Let us make Man in our image, after our likeness." Whom did the sole but plural Deity address, and who were the "us" in whose plural image and plural likeness Man wasto be made? The Book of Genesis does not provide the answer. [...]Since the biblical story of Creation, like the other tales of beginnings in Genesis, stems from Sumerian origins, theanswer is obvious. Condensing the many gods into a single Supreme Deity, the biblical tale is but an edited version of the Sumerian reports of the discussions in the Assembly of the Gods.
Heiser:
Genesis 1:26 And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.”[…]So why the plural pronouns “us” and “our”? You know I hold that those speak of the presence of the divine council here.
You call it 'supreme council', Sitchin calls it 'assembly of the gods'.You did a long analysis of the occurrences of the word Elohim, but it is useless since you are wrong on the main point. Nay, i believe you BY CHOICE decided to shift the focus on another matter, stating that Zecharia tends to affirm thatElohim is always plural, which he never wrote.As for Genesis 1:26 itself, you should have taken time to read where Sitchin identifies this passage with thecorresponding part of the Atra Hasis and the Enki & Ninmah myths. In the texts we have a perfect corrispondence withthe byble.In both myths we have a single deity (Mami in the Atra Hasis, and Enki in the Enki & Ninmah) who talks to plurality of gods, exactly as in Genesis 1:26 where a single deity talks to a plurality of deities.
3.
Can you explain why Zecharia Sitchin (or you in turn) have not included the comparative linguistic materialfrom the Amarna texts that shows the Akkadian language also uses the plural word for "gods" to refer to a single
deity or person (which of course undermines the argument that elohim must refer to a plurality of gods)?Again Sitchin never says anything about ILANU, he mentions the ILU term, and the ILANI term, used as 'god' and 'of the god'. You again shift the point creating a false argument. Provide the exact location where Sitchin says that ILANUis plural.4.Can you explain how the interpretation of the word "nephilim" as referring to "people of the fiery rockets" is atall viable in light of the rules of Hebrew morphology? In other words, can you bring forth a single ancient textwhere naphal has such a meaning?Sitchin never says that 'Nephilim' MEANS 'people of the fiery rockets', he says that the Nephilim WERE the people of the fiery rockets identifying them with the sumerian Dingirs. By the way, you make a mistake in your paper about theterm Nephilim and its grammatical analysis. According to Prof. Ronald Hendel (Professor of Hebrew Bible BiblicalLiterature, Religion, and History, Northwest Semitic Philology, Comparative Mythology ) of the University of Berkley,the NEPHILIM is the QATIL form of the hebrew verb NAPHAL (see his treatise: “of demigods and the Deluge” -image at the end of the document, note 46 of his treatise)
5.
Can you produce a single text that says the Anunnaki come from the planet Nibiru - or that Nibiru is a planet beyond Pluto? I as

Brian Noble
11/22/2014 03:25:54 am

Anastasia. See The Third Explanation Amazon Kindle. Needs some editing, but all the facts are kosher.

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Joe link
12/26/2015 11:14:57 am

I understand the grief that scientists have with programs like "Ancient Aliens" that are intended for entertainment purposes. Scientists are dedicating to finding the truth. Entertainers are dedicated to entertaining! And the "Ancient Aliens" series is definitely entertaining. It is full of wild theories, and frankly, plenty of baloney, in my opinion. The nice thing about entertaining people is you do not have to have any evidence whatsoever to pose a question like, "But what if it was really aliens....?" Of course it is possible that aliens have visited earth, and even interacted with mankind throughout history. But it is possible that there are other explanations for a lot of the questions that are posed on the series.
At certain points in the series, I stop and think to myself that perhaps if the Library of Alexandria had not been destroyed, at least a few of these questions might have answers.
Some ancient civilizations may have been more advanced than we will ever know. I personally believe that a great deal of human knowledge has probably been lost, waiting for us to rediscover it.

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Tristan
8/15/2013 07:43:20 pm

wow, just wow, i read it all. And you my friend are correct. I also noticed how you seemed to receive a lot of religious based hate. Wow. just.....wow. I landed on your sight because of some of ancient aliens facts, beliefs....theories....most are reasonable........but the science was always....ignorant. I don' t know if your religious. But I am not. I have my own theory. obtained it as a child. I'm sorry I'm ranting.....I'm saddened that now even basic science is becoming a religion.

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Joe Tobia
11/4/2013 04:44:02 pm

I agree. They were just talking about Noah and Methusaleh and how they lived so long. They were not ancient aliens, and time measurments were not distorted. The fact seems to be that it had not rained since the beginning of time and so humans were shielded from the harmful rays of the sun. After the flood, human life gets shorter and shorter....no mystery to me.

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William
11/14/2013 01:39:02 pm

Joe- I am having trouble following your statement; "The fact seems to be that it had not rained since the beginning of time and so humans were shielded from the harmful rays of the sun." What do you base this comment on?

Tom
9/20/2013 03:27:09 am

theories are just that, and to me it means there could be other explanations or a more complete truth to be had as we learn more. Science doesnt know everything and is in fact a tool used to learn and gain information. just because something doesnt make sense to us here today doesnt mean it isnt real or true maybe only that we dont have the knowledge yet to completely understand it.

by closing your mind you have missed the forest even though you see the trees.

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Nick
10/14/2013 04:30:09 pm

Exactly!

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Tom
12/25/2013 04:54:37 pm

I agree

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Chris
10/15/2013 03:16:56 am

Just watched 'ancient aliens' on H2 and thus doing a bit of online research came upon your blog, and it seems to me that AAT is believed in just like a religion were a leap of faith is needed, and thus it is impossible to argue with somebody who believes in AAT because just like God you can't prove it isn't true just as they can't prove it is true, no amount of reason or logic can open their mind to doubt what they believe to be true. Take the pyramids built around the world by different cultures that had no contact with each other, this is often cited as proof of aliens helping build these objects, when clearly a pyramid is the logical way to build an object when trying to reach it up as high as possible .......watch a 3 year old play with bricks they will build pyramids without the aid of aliens. It is possible aliens helped my 3 year old build that pyramid but I don't think they did.

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Kenny
10/31/2013 06:13:02 pm

I really want to believe that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited earth during prehistoric times and influenced the development of early humans. I do so because the ancient astronaut theory conveniently explains the gaps in the archeological records of ancient structures, buried cities, and sunken civilizations. Another reason I want to believe is because the AA theory offers a more reasonable explanation of our origins and development than the alternative, i.e., organized religion. To me the entire idea of creationism is ludicrous and represents man’s attempt to conveniently explain away natural phenomena and the unknown. It’s more convenient for me to believe in the AA theory, for the bible and the religion behind it is the result of early humans attempting to explain what their minds could not comprehend. Yes, I truly want to believe in AAs, but alas there is no physical evidence that earth was visited by AAs. If they were here, surely artifacts or pieces of their tech would have been left behind. Perhaps we have not unearthed such remnants. At the end of the day, both the AA theory and the Christian God are more or less an explanation of convenience.

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stink
2/17/2014 06:05:37 pm

its easy to say they left nothing behind but they never actually left how can you explain UFOs theyve been documented since long before man built the first plane suck on that for a while jason and spit something out son!!

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WH
11/20/2013 06:47:07 am

Wow. Just because there is seemingly no facts to some AAT theories, doesn't mean it is not true. One who believes that because we can't see the evidence, it must be wrong, is a fool. At one time, the Earth was not round and you could fall off. At one time, diseases were curses from God(s). At one time, well you see the point. People have believed incorrectly many times and because nobody could at the time offer evidence, should they have been as naive?

If you don't believe something because of a lack of evidence, well, then you are just plain ignorant. Yes there are some ancient alien theories that just don't stack up, but some others do. When someone calls what they're saying a theory or they are a theorist, remember what the definition of THEORY is.

You have some strong theories here in your article, and I won't bash them, but you must understand, that it IS possible for us to come from aliens, been visited by aliens, etc. Just because something can't be explained, doesn't make it false. Many people were killed in the past for having theories that actually ended up being correct.

I love a good argument, and I also believe that there is no single God watching everything we do and etc.

Let's ask a better question, and I'd love to read you response:

If there is a Christian God which supposedly can control everything and see everything, and people in churches say:

If something bad happened to you, it's God testing you, and if something good, than God is rewarding you. Therefore God would have to have control over the other people and factors that are your test or reward. If that is so, than the people in this control, truly don't have free will if it is a God pulling the strings. Therefore, do we or do we not have free will?

I believe that any group of humans is faulted. We are faulted beings. Therefore anything complex, such as history, etc., can be considered possible to the same faults. Therefore the Bible, written by man, is most likely faulty in some way.

Oh by the way, with billions of galaxies containing billions of stars and life habitable planets, how mathematically could you even explain or show that there is a low or no possibility of intelligent life elsewhere? Our Universe is many billions of years older than our planet and species. Therefore if you do the math, it is most likely possible, that life exists elsewhere as well as intelligent life. Since there is such a gap between our planet's existence and our species existence from the supposed start of the universe, there is a great possibility that there are other, more intelligent lifeforms out there. To not see that math and be ignorant to think we are the only ones, is just as stupid as believing the Earth was flat.

Yes, AAT's may have some theories wrong, but that doesn't mean they are all incorrect.

Oh, I love how regular people try to tell a bunch of actual PhD possessors, that they don't know shit or what they're talking about. That's like the grocery bagger telling the CEO that they don't know how to run a company. Not your place nor do you have the qualifications to say such.

How do you think intelligent life came to be? How can you explain that there is most likely no other intelligent life out there? Again, there is no evidence truly for these. Only what people interpret and therefore again fall victim to human faults. So since there is no evidence that we came from apes, or that we weren't visited by E.T.'s in the past, should we also say your theories are wrong? No. Not by the basis of a lack of evidence.

Just as you can't see other dimensions and the oxygen you breathe, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Happy hunting :)

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Jason Colavito link
11/20/2013 06:56:22 am

Ancient astronaut theorists do not, as a rule, have Ph.D.s in the relevant areas. Giorgio Tsoukalos has on a B.S. in sports communication.

You are confusing the possible with the proven. Of course it is POSSIBLE that aliens visited in the past, but there is no evidence that it ever happened. That is the difference between speculation and a theory. A theory requires evidence.

By your standard, we should still be looking for phlogiston because it is POSSIBLE that it exists.

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Brian
11/23/2013 05:25:43 am

Sorry Jason there is evidence open your eyes its all over the ancient world and in texts. people don't just make this stuff up. People wrote down what they saw and painted pictures too. that's proof.

stink
2/17/2014 06:17:40 pm

are you an atheist Jason because if you open your eyes you'll see there is plenty of evidence that something incredible in our ancient past steered the course of humanity some call them gods or deities but nowadays we're finding out that a LOT of the past can be explained with modern technology or in other words it wasnt until we had this ourselves could we say "hey thats a GD space suit!"

Rob
5/12/2014 01:03:20 pm

So because someone did not spend 10's of thousands of dollars on a piece of paper (phd) they cannot do any research of their own. Google it...Plenty of people with degrees are not specialists in their field, and people without degrees can be specialists. I think I have a good understanding of the AA Theory and I do not have a degree in Archeology...by the way what are your qualifications to debunk these theories? Christianity and the theory is my favorite topic as I was raised Catholic, since I always had doubts. Jesus was not the first Virgin Birth story. The HARD evidence is you ignore is everywhere. You only have to look. We must start to doubt our traditional beliefs and question everything. I saw a UFO fly out of Lake Michigan as a kid. Thsts why I question everything. By the way I was with 3 friends, and 4 adults we all saw the same thing. The only flaw with the AA Theory...is that it continues today. I could care less if you cant accept the simple truth...we are not alone, our "Gods" are flesh and blood and we were created in their image. It cant all be a coinicedence...There are hundreds of arrows pointing at the same answer...but you will continue to claim you can dissprove the greatest theory EVER...this theory can explain all of our unanswered questions. We have to continue to have the guts to ask these tough questions, rather than keeping our heads in the sand. Remember we are just asking questions...if you did Not find them a challenge why write 200,000 words to "debunk" them. Hmm

Nick
5/17/2014 07:15:57 am

Jason, when you say their is no evidence of aliens visiting the world. By definition what is an extra-terrestrial? "coming from or existing outside the planet Earth" So by that definition if you believe in any God, then you would admit the belief in extra- terrestrials...what is your understanding of our creation? and also, you claim there is no evidence, but what do you make of ancient hieroglyphs that depict our galaxyand the many others that we are just now discovering? How could ancient people have done this without some higher power?sorry if you have answered this before... please refer me to specific articles if you have. I am new here btw. interesting reading.

Jason Colavito link
5/17/2014 07:34:33 am

We are referring to "extraterrestrial biological entities," which would exclude gods; however, ancient astronaut theorists have recently taken to proposing that the aliens are spiritual rather than material to avoid the pesky need for evidence.

You're welcome to try to show a hieroglyph depicting an accurate map of the cosmos (not just their apparent position/shape from the earth), but such things do not exist.

paul
10/20/2014 03:29:46 am

you dig your grave with horrible comparisons

Jime
11/21/2013 04:25:25 pm

Scientific theory is not permanent, but renew from time to time

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brent
12/3/2013 01:30:08 pm

Simply put. Your a fuckin idiot. You alone with im sure thousands more still want to push aside evidence and truth for your own ignornance.

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poop
12/3/2013 01:34:47 pm

And by the way just because the word alien is used it doent mean short little grey aliens all the time. Alien is used in contrast as in different then those of that civilization.

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Chris
12/9/2013 07:26:14 am

Good article and discussion topic.

I have not believed in Christianity/God since I was subjected to church as a youth and finally stopped trying to be a believer in my late teens. To me, people who believe in god and structure their life around the teachings of the church are silly, just as you likely believe AAT's are silly.

As noted many times above, people are not going to change their beliefs. Most religious believers have been brainwashed to not question their "faith" since early childhood, so of course their beliefs are going to be held tight. Religious zealots are quick to shoot down theories such as the AAT, however, they pattern their whole lives around an even more bizarre theory based on faith in a book written by cult-followers.

Religion is big business, period, and like any big business they want to protect their revenue streams ("donations") and will attack anything that challenges that. The church is a corrupt organization (which can be proven!) that has a long history of murder, molestation, betrayal and misinformation.

While I respect and enjoyed your viewpoint, I think you made no solid argument whatsoever to dispel the theory of AAT's.

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Steve Steele
12/16/2013 06:04:50 pm

None of you know for sure of any theory. Science just like religion is plagiarized and bastardized in order to perpetuate ones belief or theory. One thing is for sure we are biological and spiritual; therefore, we we have God and Science encoded in our DNA. I think the best thing we can do as humans is agree that we just don't know the answer. In that... we can rest and have peace.

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Tom
12/25/2013 05:10:09 pm

You can believe or not in ancient aliens just look at the size of space and this should tell us something. That there must be more out there to be discovered.The history channel H2 would not put ancient aliens on t.v. if some of it were not true.

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Kip Oliver
11/8/2015 12:55:11 pm

Yes H2 would put something on that's not true. It a theory. A theory is not a fact because you cannot prove or disprove it. I have seen no AA evidence to their theories that lead me to think they have fact.

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Fresno
1/11/2016 09:12:43 pm

"The history channel H2 would not put ancient aliens on t.v. if some of it were not true."

Aaannnndddd there's the problem with AA believers.

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Steve
12/29/2013 04:20:33 am

In my opinion the AAT will be proven correct within the next three decades. I’m not buying all the connections presented on H2, some are silly, i.e. Bigfoot, but I think the underlying theory is sound and has enough evidence to support it. A big selling point to me is how the AAT neatly ties a bow around many of the major religions noting the similarities in their depiction of their God(s) and how they came to be. Also, anyone with an ounce of common sense can only come to one conclusion when looking at the remains of Puma Punku, the Ajanta Caves, or the Moai on the Easter Islands. These (any many others), could not have been constructed by man. While I’m sure there are many holes in the AAT, I applaud any theory that can logically explain our origins and potentially topple the blood thirsty, money hungry organized religions that have dominated our behaviors and thought processes and kept us at war for thousands of years.

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Steve Steele
12/29/2013 06:02:47 am

To Steve: well said!!! I also agree that religion and governement has lied to us for ages and have kept us battling over ideas for the benifit of a few profitiers. For those who dont believe that ETs exist just remember this. Once man left or tiny little Earth to explore space... WE indeed became ETs. To not believe there are ETs is to not believe in your own existance. In "THE END" I feel that we will be amazed and perplexed as to how very simple the answer is to our existance. Once we see the simplicity we will cry and rejoice at the same time in utter relief.

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Brian Noble
11/22/2014 03:32:38 am

Steve: Read The Third Explanation Amazon Kindle. Still needs some editing but all the facts are there!

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Kip Oliver
11/8/2015 12:56:14 pm

A book that still needs editing is not factual.

M. Stephens
1/1/2014 02:54:00 am

Jason is misunderstanding the gulf between the lay believers and the scientists. He creates an argument that will lift his side, and yet contribute nothing to the actual mystery that is being addressed by AAT.

The "science club" operates on a set of rules dubbed the scientific method. If you are going to be in the club, you first have to agree to the rules. These rules of evidence, hypothesis, experimentation and theory are often misunderstood by the lay thinkers that are being beat down here by Jason. Let's give them their own club and their own rules for comprehending the universe. We'll call it faith and intuition. Now, we have two competing clubs, each with their own rules. Each looks at the universe and imagines how it works. Let's see how each operates. We'll say Joe is the Scientist, and Pete is the Intuitive.

Pete looks at the pyramids and all the interesting sites of ancient construction under discussion. Pete's intuition tells him that this didn't occur in the progression of man as taught in school. e.g. Neolithic, stone age, bronze age and so on. Pete's intuition sees an obvious interference pattern, interruption, divergence, external operator. Pete is not ignorant or stupid, but he's not bound by the rules of science, because he isn't a member of the science club. He's therefore free to rely upon his collective intuition to see possible answers. One of those is the AAT.

Meanwhile, Joe sees the exact same pyramids and sites that Pete sees. Joe however, has agreed to operate under the science club's rules. He therefore can jump from A to Z unless all blocks B, C, D....and Y, have been discovered, accepted as theory by the club. In short, what has to be understood is that the science club is a serial and linear process. One can't jump from A to Z. Not allowed. Pete, however is perfectly free to go from A to Z, because he is not bound by the science club rules.

Notice, that neither case has anything to do with reality. When you are standing at A, Z might be true, and it might not be true. If it is true, then Pete the intuitive was right, and Joe the scientist was wrong. Over time, if evidence B, C, D, ....Y comes to light, Joe will then accept it and then agree with Pete.

Pete of course could also be wrong. But what we are really arguing about is the different systems of understanding the universe. Science wants to be sure it never errors, and yet ironically it can only advance when it errors. The intuitives can be wrong just as often, but they are derided for it. That's unfair, since science only advances on its own errors.

In the current controversy over AAT, those with intuition and faith should not be discouraged by the other club - the science club. They are progressing on a different set of rails. 500 years from now, we may know the answer to the questions about AAT. One of the two groups will have been right. It's not clear today which one.

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Jason Colavito link
1/1/2014 03:06:46 am

You're right that the issue is whether one needs evidence to support speculation, but first one must demonstrate that there is a "mystery." How can you say there is an ancient astronaut mystery if that exists entirely through "faith" and "intuition" that you admit cannot be demonstrated to others in a way that can be demonstrated objectively?

Intuition is a starting point, not an end point, and one must have evidence if one is to convince others that one is right. Otherwise, you can convince no one but yourself.

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M. Stephens
1/1/2014 05:17:27 am

Jason,
You're making a circular argument based on your club's rules. I understand that, because it is the only argument available in that club. What I offered was not an answer using your rules, but an answer using the other club's rules. Intuition can never be the end point. That's a rejection of the premise of intuition.

Let me try using a different analogy. A policeman and a layman arrive at a murder scene. The policeman collects evidence like bullet shells and cigarette butts and such. The layman thinks carefully about the whole of the crime scene. After some time, they have this discussion regarding the dead man.

Layman: I think the wife did it.
Policeman: That's absurd. There is no evidence for that conclusion. We have only a shell case and some butts and.... It could be anyone from the husband to an intruder to a thief. We need more clues, more evidence.
Layman: I don't see it appearing like a robbery, and the most common killer of husbands, aside from robbery, is a jealous wife. I am going to bet it was the wife.

Now, time has to go by. The policeman will continue to collect evidence as they do. What we know is that the evidence might lead to the wife, or it might lead to someone else. If it leads to the wife, the layperson was right without the need of a shred of evidence. You can't refute that. It's the entire meaning of intuition. Your policeman can squeal all he wants about the guy making a lucky guess, or the guy being ignorant because he didn't use rules of evidence, or any other argument you care to make. What you can't do is refute his intuition.

Your case is simply this. You want to use a lack of evidence as evidence for your club's position on this. You have every right to do that within your club's confines. In fact, your club demands it. But when you step out to the bigger world, your argument collapses.

One of the problems with the intuition argument is that instead of the layman in my example suggesting the wife, he suggests let's say, a dead relative. When suggesting the wife, it seemed plausible. When suggesting a dead relative it seems ridiculous. And yet both are claims of intuition. Yes, that's a real problem. One answer deserves more respect than the other.

In AAT discussions, there is a wide variety of intuitions. This makes the scientist nuts. But, it doesn't automatically disqualify intuition. It just means it requires more discernment. The ATT proponent might start with this: We are probably not the only intelligence in the universe. Now, even the science club acknowledges that there are ways to make calculations to support that idea. We might call that a point of agreement. What happens next is that the scientist has to stop right there and wait for the next "cigarette butt, or bullet shell". He needs more evidence to proceed. The layman doesn't. He simply extends the idea and says well, maybe that intelligence was once here on earth. And of course, off you go to the races from there.

We know that science is not in the business of disproving things. We don't ask science to "prove there are no pink unicorns." So, in fact, you are stuck. You can't disprove the AAT because that's not the business of the science club. You also have no reason to deny the intuition or faith of any other person. So in fact, your entire premise here is totally flawed. What you can do by your club's rules is simply state what you know about these pyramid sites, and state whatever hypothesis you have about them. That's it. But, for reason's we don't know, you want to overstep that boundary. You aren't happy with your club, and want to change the other one?

Jason Colavito link
1/1/2014 05:30:36 am

The argument isn't circular; you are instead arguing the postmodern view that methodology is inherently limiting and that emotion should be given equal weight to reason. This is a philosophical position, but one that inherently is unable to provide testable evidence that others can trust and believe in. If I were to tell you that I intuited that you were really an alien in disguise and then declared that it was up to you to prove my intuition wrong, under your methodology, there would be no way to prove or disprove the point. That is the difference between speculation and documentation.

Speculation is fine and dandy, but it doesn't provide evidence that those who don't share your assumptions can measure, test, and evaluate. It's just words.

M. Stephens
1/1/2014 02:57:10 am

My apologies for the typos above. There is no edit function, and I must admit I was typing with too much enthusiasm.

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Kip Oliver
11/8/2015 01:06:56 pm

Your modern argument about the poiceman and the layman sums up the issue perfectly. A layman offers theories only, and has no proof of his theories. He may know the husband was cheating, and the wife was jealous, and he can reach a theory about the murder. But you can't arrest a wife and charge her with murder based on a theory. You have to apply scientific methology to your theory to either proove it right or wrong. There have been many murder cases where the cops would bet solid money on their theory of The Wife Did It, but when scientific method is applied, the wife is cleared and a new murderer appears. The problem with AA theory is that it does not hold up to scientific method. To say that "monoliths were carved by aliens because there was no way they could be carved by man" Is like saying that "the wife shot the husband because nobody else wanted him dead." To say, "It can't be man so it must be aliens" is not scientific method. It's stating a theory as proof, and if there is proof, gained via the scientific method, then it is no longer a theory.

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M. Stephens
1/1/2014 05:29:23 am

How to Argue With a Scientist

Always acknowledge and respect the rules of their club - the scientific method. Make sure they acknowledge their allegiance to it, and then make sure they don't stray from it.

Then, simply step out of that club's rules, and present your case for the existence of art, intuition, faith, and imagination - the attributes which drive the world forward. How does the painter or the novelist follow the scientific method? They don't. And yet, what we know beyond a doubt it that those people are very capable of revealing human truth. Can this be questioned? How? Are such truths less valuable that scientific truths? If you can't make the argument for that, you probably shouldn't have engaged in the first place.

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Kip Oliver
11/8/2015 01:14:22 pm

You seem to lack understanding on what truth is. You can see a painting or read a book. One does not need to apply scientific method to things that don't need proof. You don't need to prove a tree is there because you can see it with your own eyes. But you personally have never seen Richard the Lionheart, yet you would agree he was a real person. The fact that he lived and died is true, and held up to scientific method. A theory is something that starts off as an idea. Then you gather evidence to either prove or disprove it. AA has offered no proof that their theories are true. All they've done is say, "It couldn't be man, so it must be aliens." And when science proves it could be man, AA uses myths as proof. That's like saying Hogwarts is a real place because it was written in a book.

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M. Stephens
1/1/2014 05:56:23 am

"It's just words."

I can hardly believe you said that. Especially now that I have reviewed the whole site a bit more carefully. Shakespeare and the Bhagavad Gita are "just words," as is Moby Dick, and I suppose we may as well say that Starry Night is just paint to put an exclamation point on your claim.

The question of importance is how truths affect the human condition, not what process what used to find those truths. Unique to science is the belief that the process changes the value of the underlying truth. Sometimes, that is true, but not always. The moment before I swallow my prescribed pill in the morning, I am thankful for the scientific process which produced that truth about relieving those symptoms. But likewise, the moment before I offer some kind words to an unfortunate person, I am likewise thankful for the process which created such truths as the value of human kindness. That process, followed by such mythical figures as we might prefer in our own beliefs, used processes outside the tradition of science. And I am enriched by them.

The argument for AAT doesn't need to be a scientific argument per se to have validity. It can just as easily be an exercise in mythology, art and literature. The meaning of such sites as the pyramids changes if the creators were space aliens in place of Egyptian slaves. And because of that, the variety of explanations has specific value today. Waiting another thousand years for all the evidence to be gathered and a good hypothesis formed in science, is simply one of numerous valuable outcomes from the examination of these sites.

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Jason Colavito link
1/1/2014 06:04:43 am

You are conflating two very different concepts. An abstract notion and art can have *value* without being true. Shakespeare's plays are not literally true but have value because they are art. But you can't go to Rome and try to dig up Titus Andronicus' cooking pot.

You aren't arguing that the ancient astronaut theory is physically true in an objective sense; you are arguing that it has value as a myth. In that, I concur; I wrote an entire book (The Cult of Alien Gods) about its use as a modern myth. But that doesn't make it objectively true in a physical sense.

You seem to have taken post-modernism a bit too far and have run together the abstract and the concrete, the imaginary and the physical. The stories we tell ourselves have value, but they don't all have a basis in physical, material reality.

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M. Stephens
1/1/2014 06:33:32 am

No. I am not conflating them, I am contrasting them. Without using a value as the currency, all arguments would be pointless. What I showed was that you place far too much value on the process. In your case, the scientific process. And, too little value the meaning of all these explanations. My analogy of the crime scene demonstrated that process is often irrelevant. "The wife did it" is what was important, not the collection of cigarette butts and shells.

To obsess over prove/disprove is wasting energy that could be applied to the understanding and extracting the value contained in the arguments. And here once more, you are making an argument about imaginary versus physical reality is if you know there is some important difference, or if we know anything at all about reality. We don't read Shakespeare to investigate the physical reality of it. We read it for the understanding of human nature. That's where the value is.

"No basis in physical, material reality" is not an ultimate standard. It's important for airplanes to fly, but not important for my interactions with the pilot and crew. If we sprinkle the value around, it falls on all these aspects of our life.

Myth is not a pack of lies to be spread like propaganda. Myth has valuable content and meaning that is often far more useful and valuable than reliable fact.

What I see in my limited time here on this blog is an obsession with showing others are "wrong" and you and yours are "right" about something for which there is no right or wrong. And, that the right and wrongness is based on nothing more than a comparison of process. I know that science always begins with the premise that only its process is useful in life, but that is implausible just on the surface.

Why not let them have their intuition? What are you personally gaining by proving them wrong? Well, there is the commercial value of your argument, that's understandable. But, what beyond that? What will your persistent attempt to prove them wrong do for humanity?

Jason Colavito link
1/1/2014 06:50:44 am

The problem is that ancient astronaut theorists aren't saying that they are developing a myth to nurture our souls. They are saying that they are proposing a scientific paradigm for understanding history, which can be tested through physical evidence. Since they have chosen that standard, that is the standard I judge them by. If you would prefer to be a Raelian and meditate on the mystical power of aliens and mythology, then you would safely be beyond scientific criticism. But if you want to use the language of science and appeal to its authority, then you have to provide actual evidence.

Science doesn't declare an idea wrong based on methodology but on results. Ancient astronaut theorists make specific, factual claims, and these can be tested. When the test turn up nothing (like when they lie about the content of texts, or when they fabricate physical evidence), then their claims are removed from the realm of science into the realm of myth.

If you'd like me to treat them differently, please get ancient astronaut theorists to stop making scientific claims or appealing to science as the arbiter of truth.

M. Stephens
1/1/2014 08:23:33 am

You win points by explaining their inappropriate use of a scientific model for their more mythical hypotheses. I grant you that. But let's not be too harsh. Intelligent people from all walks of life are confused over the rules of science. We know this from direct conversation. People get confused over theory, the null hypothesis and the arcane use of words by the science club. Too often, science then clubs them over the head for that error. I want to first, forgive that error as one of jargon and special nature.

More important, is that the mythology, art and literature - which is now called AAT - will take a long time to mature and coalesce into useful and valuable meaning. Maybe we haven't struck the right chords yet, I am not far enough into that community to make a good judgment on that score. But I know that as a general point, science becomes pedantic and less meaningful when it attempts to enforce a sense that only their process is valid for interpretation of the world we find ourselves in. Maybe I could say, what's more important today, Quantum Mechanics or the Bible? Evolution or Dostoyevsky? Don't jump to conclusions. Suppose we just dismiss all but the process of science from life? What have you then?

Better to cooperate than to fight. The intuitives should cooperate by acknowledging the rules and conditions of science, and begin to fully appreciate the powers of literature, dreams, mythology and art. The scientists should cooperate by acknowledging the obvious benefits man receives from non-science processes, and stop trying to win an argument of process orientation. Contribute the appropriate hypothesis when possible, but don't keep flogging the intuitives for wrong process grounds. The detective in my analogy should take the intuitive's proposition about the wife being the perpetrator, and let it be one of the alternatives of possibility until his evidence clearly produces a better, more useful truth.

I am a scientist. I love the scientific method, and I continue to apply it wherever and whenever I can. But as I grew older, I discovered the amazing powers and properties of myth and storytelling and literature and faith, and art. I realized they are not competing with science to have the superior process, they are alternative processes altogether which mankind can not do without. I know of no scientists who reject out of hand art and literature as "useless." But I know of many who can't grasp the related field of mythology. And here, like the folks who get confused over certain science jargon, I think the scientist gets confused over the meaning of myth and fixates on the idea of "untruth, lies" which misses the point entirely.

Give a little, get a lot. Society to date has shown a great ability to make use of all these processes in different ways. Whether science approves or not, Jesus, the Buddha, and Moby Dick do not need to be physically real in order to serve humanity in positive ways. And like it or not, the intuitives and artists have to give way to the stupendous value to mankind brought forth by the scientific method - the ability for us to enjoy this nice conversation being one of those stupendous wonders!

It's been decades since I thought much about the AAT. Having stumbled here by a long string of little accidents though, I think I will give it some new consideration and read some of the newer works on the subject. Have a nice new year Jason. I enjoyed bumping into you today.
Mark

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Jason Colavito link
1/1/2014 08:27:29 am

I wrote an entire book on the horror genre, so I am hardly immune to the power of literature. I have a new book coming out on the myth of Jason and the Argonauts, so as you can see I also value the power of myth. But these are different questions than whether aliens really came to earth in the past. Socrates' philosophy is useful whether Socrates existed or not; ancient astronaut theories tell us that they live or die by whether aliens really did come to earth. That's a question for science, not myth.

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M. Stephens
1/1/2014 09:04:01 am

I can't accept your pithy summary of the AAT. That may be something being posited by an individual or a group, but I can't accept the idea it covers the entire genre.

AAT is about the relations between man and gods. Familiar mythology then, right? Another attempt at addressing man's insufficiency questions right on down to the meaning of life. How exactly is that a question for science? Are there any scientific theories which are being negated by belief in AAT?

Jason Colavito link
1/1/2014 09:29:51 am

But AAT is NOT a philosophy; its practitioners--Zecharia Sitchin, Erich von Daniken, Robert Temple, David Childress, etc.--claim it is a science. What you are describing is Raelianism. And yes, AAT has a serious impact on the idea of human evolution (precluded by belief in ET genetic engineering), as well as archaeology.

Matt
9/18/2014 01:23:42 pm

Hi guys, a fine intelectual sparring match indeed. Jason, I think we can both agree that Mark has made his arguments coherently and dare I say dispassionately enough to command a respectful response, not that I think you have done anything less than that.
Mark, you arguments on the side of intuition, that club that does not need the rules of the science club is all well and good, and even somewhat persuasive. Where i see it falling down is when we look back over the history of events to determine the relative success of each club. True, in the case you described, it may well have been the wife, a nice piece of intuition. There is a reason our justice system is not based on intuition, it is simply not reliable. Mythology is great, but our history books will show the scientific method has done a better job finding vaccines.
This is where I think Jason finds the AAT to be so distasteful. They have come to intuitive, mythology based conclusions but now want the blessing of the scientific method to give it the gold stamp of Fact. They don't get to do that.
I think it's fun to think about the 'What if the great pyramid was a plutonium breeder' or 'What if the aliens come back to turn stone henge back on', just as it's fun to read Moby Dick. I would be happy if these AAT guys just had a show which presented the honest truth, and then some fun

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Steve
1/1/2014 08:54:11 am

Jason perhaps you should provide us with examples of misinterpreted text and fabricated physical evidence. I’m smart enough to figure out the physical piece, but being a lowly holder of a bachelor degree, and a bean counter by day, I’m not qualified to know whether the AAT is misrepresenting the ancient text of the various cultures they’ve examined.

As I type this out, the “Einstein Factor” episode is airing on the History channel. It proposes that certain people had insight to extraterrestrial knowledge. So, in order for this to be true then there must be individuals among us now that have the same abilities. Well, I have identified one such individual but will keep their identity a secret, unless of course Giorgio or Erich would like me to divulge their Godly presence:-) And by the way, my hair looks just like Giorgio’s when I wake up!

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Jason Colavito link
1/1/2014 09:05:16 am

There are plenty of examples of both. In the articles section above, you can select "Alternative Authors' Quote Fraud" under "Ancient Alien Fraud" to see a list just of texts they have blatantly lied about or fabricated. This doesn't include material they take out of context.

In terms of fabricated physical evidence, this ranges from modern hoaxes like Ica Stones or the Acambaro Figures, and the Father Crespi gold tablets to older hoaxes and frauds like Bat Creek Stone, the Davenport Stones, the Tucson Lead Artifacts, and many, many more.

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nick
1/17/2014 04:19:58 pm

My parents are seventy years old and cant stand watching the AA series on history channel, and they cant stand watching any ufo documentaries either. I know you cant teach an old dog new tricks, so I have to ask are you 70 years old or a paid shill? No evidence huh? I have only watched about 1/5 of the total episodes and have seen plenty of evidence. In fact there is so much evidence its hard to keep up. Oh no, it must all be hoaxes, blah, blah, blah. sure.

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Kenny
1/17/2014 05:03:47 pm

I really want to believe in AA and the existence of intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. Unfortunately there isn’t a shred of tangible, lay-your-hands-on physical evidence that Earth has been visited in the past by ETs. Surely, if they had been here, there would be remnants of their time spent on planet Earth, much like the trash left behind by human explorers. There’s physical evidence on the Lunar surface that humans have been there; likewise there’s evidence on Mars that it’s been visited by rovers and probes launched from Earth. The Voyager space probes are evidence that humanity is venturing out into interstellar space, leaving trails of our existence. Evidence of our existence is abundant throughout our solar system. But alas there isn’t any such evidence left behind by ETs. What is pitched on Ancient Aliens is pseudoscience consisting of speculation, conjecture, and dubious information. However, I still want to believe and keep an open mind to the possibility that we’re not alone. There’s no alien tech that has been found. Conspiracy theorists are quick to claim that governments have hidden what evidence has been recovered. That said, I do look forward to episodes of AA because I really do want to believe; it’s just that there’s no physical evidence to support the claims as reported by AA theorists. But hey, maybe the evidence will be unearthed in America.

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nick
1/18/2014 03:18:12 am

There is plenty of evidence available, but one needs to know what they are looking for and how to interpret said evidence. Every professional has their own bias depending on the enviroment they grew up with, some are religious fundamentalists and some are atheists. The scientific community in general tends to be atheist or at best agnostic dominated. The bias tends to get in the way of objective research too often. Look at the pyramids recently unearthed in bosnia and how the nwo wants to shut it down at any cost despite the natural tumulus formation that screams pyramid to most locals and visitors alike. Besides I heard you have to belong to a secret society to go on digs otherwise a)they wont let you dig and b)even if you manage to get funds to do the research mainstream science will ridicule you.

This the nature of the matrix. I belive the reason all alternative science is put down on purpose so that only masons and the wealthy elite have supreme knowledge. They want to create a planet of zombies that follow their every word by the controlled media. The media has been bought out a long time ago by the bilderbergers, who are the real nwo.

Its not that there is no real evidence, its that its controlled, aka classified! 50 to 100 years from now there will be evidence of a hollow earth, alien underground bases, an artificial moon put into orbit, etc. I just we hope we dont self destruct ourselves via religious wars.

danger007
4/8/2015 05:54:18 am

So you want to say that there is not any evidence of ETs to be found.
Let me tell you a fact : Metals corrode.
This is the simple and 'scientific' reason behind the disappearance of any technology that may have been left behind by the ETs.

chino
1/19/2014 04:13:20 pm

Interesting entitled opinion but you do know it has the word "theory" at the back of all this. Something that may or may not exist. Your arguing over A THEORY. Not a real based opinion that wants to be a fact but a theory. I dont want to be so harsh or I dick but I dislike it when people try to state there own opinions like its a fact.

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Will Hart
2/3/2014 09:18:37 am

Gee, I guess you consider Nobel Prize winner, Sir Francis Crick to be a purveyor of drivel, certainly beneath your intellectual pedigree, since he proposed the 'directed panspermia' theory way back in 1970. Scientist keep an open mind, you are obviously no scientist....

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Jason Colavito link
2/3/2014 09:19:58 am

Who's disagreeing that directed panspermia is possible? The question is whether there is evidence for the various flavors of ancient astronautics.

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Karl K
2/3/2014 03:45:24 pm

Jason, you can't use "lack of definitive evidence" as evidence enough to completely dismiss what science cannot explain. If you cannot logically conclude that the AAT is absolutely impossible (which you obviously cant), then I'm willing to listen to any and every logical reason that can explain why it may actually be possible. My conclusion based on research and logic: It may actually be possible. Your conclusion: If there is no video footage of ancient times, it was impossible. Do you not see the fundamental problem with your argument?

Your argument is ignorant and intellectually arrogant. Until anyone can prove that ancient man actually did accomplish what modern science and engineering cannot duplicate today, LOGIC is all the evidence I need to believe that someone ELSE did. Your article was merely 200,000 words of eloquent "fluff" arguing absolutely nothing and I truly believe youre just hating for a shot at 5 minutes of fame. Galileo was condemned by the Catholic Church for studying the stars and today, the Vatican has the 2nd largest observatory in the world. My point: Feel free to jump on the bandwagon before the reality of your very existence hits you like a ton of bricks and makes you feel as ignorant as you already sound. Feel free to e-mail me anytime karlkoen21@gmail.com I love this s#:+!

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Jason Colavito link
2/3/2014 10:33:18 pm

You seem to want to ask all of humanity to humor you until your view could be proved incorrect. But that isn't how logic or science works. You also confuse the possible with the probable. Let me ask you this: Pausanias said that the Mycenaean ruins were built by a race of one-eyed giants. Should we accept this until we have dug up ever square inch of the earth and scoured all of space to see if we can find the remains of a single giant? Or do we accept that the Mycenaeans built the buildings because all of the artifacts ever found in them were Mycenaean and human-sized?

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Karl K
2/4/2014 04:27:14 pm

Jason, Mary Shelley painted an even more realistic picture than Pausanias did, but it doesn't mean I'm going to start looking for Frankenstein. If 5000 years from now, someone digs up the story of Lincoln the Vampire Slayer, I don't expect that person to believe it was true even though Lincoln was a real man with legendary accomplishments.

I will agree that many of the theories connecting ancient man to E.T.s are likely a stretch of the imagination and I am not surprised that the majority of the theories that don't convince me are derived from literature. As far as I'm concerned, much of the literary history of ancient times is likely more glorified hear-say than fact. I'm with you there. However, what I cannot dismiss is the tangible evidence that was impossible to fabricate thousands of years ago with the technology and knowledge of the time when it came to be. Just like intelligence, knowledge and technology do not regress. History has proven that they only advance and at an exponential rate. Given how difficult it is to recreate these structures today with modern knowledge and technology, are you suggesting that these engineering marvels were nothing more than a perfect accident? They "guessed" right and stumbled upon knowledge and techniques that won't be discovered for another 1000 years? This type of tangible evidence is what helped spark the imagination that created the subsequent, far-fetched theories that you are arguing as false. It doesn't matter what you argue at this point. What you or science will never be able to explain already has everyone convinced. Attempts to dismiss this theory were futile long before you had your chance to give your 2 cents.

Try to explain how Sacsayhuaman was constructed over 1000 years ago. 100 ton granite boulders dragged by llamas up a mountain and geothermally fused together like melted marshmallows by an ancient tribe using primitive blow torches? With no traces of mortar, perhaps they applied magma to the stones as if it were makeup? Maybe they developed industrial sized diamond-tipped chisels to make the geometrically precise cuts on one of the hardest stones on Earth? From Sacsayhuaman, to the pyramids in Giza, to the very blood that runs through your veins, the evidence is all around you; evidence enough to suggest more "possible" or "probable", as millions of people already believe, than "impossible" as you have concluded.

Contrary to what you believe for the sake of your argument, I am not confusing possible and probable. The reason why I am so convinced on this matter is actually because I can identify both very well. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone that my belief in the AAT is the truth. I don't need to. I am just disappointed that such an intelligent man like yourself chooses to argue "impossible" without even wondering how the intelligence that helped you formulate your argument got there in the first place.

danger007
4/8/2015 05:57:18 am

thumbs up on "Your conclusion: If there is no video footage of ancient times, it was impossible"
Nice.

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Eric Sawyer link
2/3/2014 09:13:14 pm

As an alien human hybrid I am unable to refrain from commenting in regard to Jason's skewed vision of human development on planet earth. My mother is a human. Her egg was fertilized with genetic material possessing the DNA of several beings of alien origin. These breeding projects are carried out with cooperation from human genetic scientists and hybrids, engineered to replicate the traits desired from non human species......The ability to alter one's resonating frequency is the prime objective of the program from which many others including myself have been genetically tailored to accomplish.......What many people might call different worlds or realms are simply dimensions existing at an infinite number of frequencies......As far as there being a creator or monotheistic entity, I am unaware of any such being.But of course many species are the result of another's creation. Intervention in the present state of man on earth has and is always evolving due to natural and otherworldly means. The more we learn merely opens up a set of expotentially

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Eric Sawyer link
2/3/2014 10:19:07 pm

Jason....I don't know what happened but I had written a reply that is simply to exhausting to try to repeat and was just knocked off. Any explanation.There was nothing offensive,swear free and actually quite interesting to anyone who chanced to read it. Is there a way to recover it. Written just moments before this post

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Jason Colavito link
2/3/2014 10:30:00 pm

It was probably a glitch. I checked my log, but I don't see one submitted from you, so the problem happened somewhere between your computer and the server.

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Karl K
2/4/2014 04:27:51 pm

Jason, Mary Shelley painted an even more realistic picture than Pausanias did, but it doesn't mean I'm going to start looking for Frankenstein. If 5000 years from now, someone digs up the story of Lincoln the Vampire Slayer, I don't expect that person to believe it was true even though Lincoln was a real man with legendary accomplishments.

I will agree that many of the theories connecting ancient man to E.T.s are likely a stretch of the imagination and I am not surprised that the majority of the theories that don't convince me are derived from literature. As far as I'm concerned, much of the literary history of ancient times is likely more glorified hear-say than fact. I'm with you there. However, what I cannot dismiss is the tangible evidence that was impossible to fabricate thousands of years ago with the technology and knowledge of the time when it came to be. Just like intelligence, knowledge and technology do not regress. History has proven that they only advance and at an exponential rate. Given how difficult it is to recreate these structures today with modern knowledge and technology, are you suggesting that these engineering marvels were nothing more than a perfect accident? They "guessed" right and stumbled upon knowledge and techniques that won't be discovered for another 1000 years? This type of tangible evidence is what helped spark the imagination that created the subsequent, far-fetched theories that you are arguing as false. It doesn't matter what you argue at this point. What you or science will never be able to explain already has everyone convinced. Attempts to dismiss this theory were futile long before you had your chance to give your 2 cents.

Try to explain how Sacsayhuaman was constructed over 1000 years ago. 100 ton granite boulders dragged by llamas up a mountain and geothermally fused together like melted marshmallows by an ancient tribe using primitive blow torches? With no traces of mortar, perhaps they applied magma to the stones as if it were makeup? Maybe they developed industrial sized diamond-tipped chisels to make the geometrically precise cuts on one of the hardest stones on Earth? From Sacsayhuaman, to the pyramids in Giza, to the very blood that runs through your veins, the evidence is all around you; evidence enough to suggest more "possible" or "probable", as millions of people already believe, than "impossible" as you have concluded.

Contrary to what you believe for the sake of your argument, I am not confusing possible and probable. The reason why I am so convinced on this matter is actually because I can identify both very well. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone that my belief in the AAT is the truth. I don't need to. I am just disappointed that such an intelligent man like yourself chooses to argue "impossible" without even wondering how the intelligence that helped you formulate your argument got there in the first place.

Jason Colavito link
2/4/2014 10:45:49 pm

Karl, who has ever said that ancient astronauts are impossible? In my book, "The Cult of Alien Gods," I take great pains to explain, as Carl Sagan had done, that the claims isn't prima facie impossible, only that its advocates have failed to put forward actual evidence in its favor. To your point about technology: You assume that all types of technology are remembered forever. But this isn't true. How many people today could hand-craft a clockwork automaton? It was a common ancient skill right down to the Industrial Revolution, but with mechanization, it vanished. Technology improved, and the obsolete technology disappeared. If our civilization were to collapse (as occurred frequently in ancient times), any memory of those older machines would utterly vanish with the last scholars who had studied them even though nearly everyone would remember computers.

Karl K
2/5/2014 08:32:36 am

I understand your point. However, deliberate transportation and geothermal fusion of monolithic granite is more than merely an ancient art or discipline. Im talking about a force that until recently could only be achieved by the sheer power of the core of the Earth and Im not even taking into consideration how they were even able to transport the stones. The stretch of the imagination comes in when you factor in the ancient story of how it was constructed. According to legend it was a giant bird that shot fire out of its beak. It sounds hard to believe, but if you believe in the AAT, it sounds more believable than trying to convince me that ancient man carried the 100 ton boulders and melted them with a simple flame. Its not proof, but its a story that makes sense after all "impossibilities" are considered and tied together.

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Jason Colavito link
2/5/2014 11:08:31 am

I have no idea what you are referring to when you talk about geothermal fusion of monolithic granite. Whose granite do you believe to be artificial? Why do you think it isn't natural?

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Karl K
2/5/2014 03:22:23 pm

Sacsayhuaman... The same example of tangible evidence Ive been referring to over my last two posts. This not one of the Greek fairytales that you like to mock or an ancient science fiction haiku. This is a true ancient mystery that you can see, touch, and marvel at today. Simply put, the granite boulders - real granite boulders, not your kitchen countertop - are melted together to form the walls of an ancient civilization. They look like melted marshmallows - 100 ton melted marshmallows. No mortar. Shaped and pieced together like a giant jigsaw puzzle.

Again, Im not trying to convince you or anyone that the AAT is the truth. Im just pointing out that there is evidence out there - the type of evidence that you clearly tend to overlook for the sake of your argument. If you're waiting for photographic evidence of who built it or how it was built, i can assure you that you will never find it. What you WILL find is the legend of how it was built. However, what was written is the type of story that you would consider laughable. I prefer to look at it this way: If i built something so magnificent, i would be sure to take all the credit for it. Why bother saying it was a giant bird that shot fire out of its beak? When you see this ancient structure up close, you begine to realize that there may actually be some truth to the legend afterall.

Jason Colavito link
2/5/2014 10:32:52 pm

The stones are and remain natural. There is no evidence of melting anywhere. This is a claim made in "Ancient American" magazine but applied not to the entirety of the stones but only to quartz crystals within the stones, which were likely melted by natural forces long before the stones were quarried.

Karl K
2/6/2014 03:03:19 pm

The stones are not symmetrically shaped and none were cut equally to another. When you factor in the fact that there is no mortar, it leaves one to wonder how such a perfect structure was pieced together. The sheer size of these stones alone makes such a feat virtually impossible without some sort of advanced technology. Even perfectly cut bricks today require some sort of mortar to fit perfectly against each other.

These boulders are curved and rounded and seem to have somehow been sanded down to get such perfect shape. If you refer to moh's scale of mineral hardness, not many stones can sand down granite which stands at #7 on the scale. Unless they figured out that only corundum, topaz, or diamond can be used to sand down granite, they could only use extreme heat to give it such a perfectly inter-locking shape. Quarrying and transporting granite alone was difficult on such a large scale. Getting them to fit so perfectly so that you cant even slide paper between them, is an even greater feat of extreme knowledge and technique, even with modern technology. Remember this is an ancient tribe we're talking about - a tribe that reigned and mysteriously disappeared long before European explorers discovered South America.

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Karl K
2/6/2014 03:22:46 pm

The fact remains that quartz found within these boulders proves without a doubt that extreme heat was applied to the stones at some point. To say that the quartz was created before it was quarried, is just as valid an argument as it is to say it was created while the stones were deliberately shaped in order to fit so perfectly together. When you see the walls up close it makes the theory of extremely advanced technology even more plausible. When you factor in this now plausible theory, the unbelievable and unexplained logistics of accomplishing such an engineering marvel suggest that the legend of Sacsayhuaman may in fact be true after all.

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Jason Colavito link
2/6/2014 10:37:55 pm

The appeal to ignorance and the appeal to incompetence is not a valid argument. The fact is that Sacsayhuaman's stones were pulled down by Inca peasants after the Conquest and reshaped into the blocks used to build structures nearby, all while the Spanish watched. This more than shows that the blocks could be and in fact were shaped and altered by human hands without any high technology.

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Karl K
2/7/2014 06:09:22 pm

Facts according to whom? According to the first conquistadors who arrived in Peru, they were astonished at how the Incas built those walls. Juan Pizarro (brother of the conqueror Francisco Pizarro) was killed in 1536 in one of the doors at Sacsayhuaman from a blow with a stone when the Spaniards attacked the rebel forces of Manco Inca at the enclosure of Cusco. Francisco died in 1541. This structure was built before the conquistadors arrived. No one knew how it was built then, and no one knows how it was built today... Except you, apparently... And you make it sound so easy.

You say the stones were carried by peasants from nearby? Unlike the pyramids in Giza whose quarries were located at the base of the structures, Sacsayhuaman was constructed with granite quarried from 10 miles away and the boulders were many times larger than those of the pyramids. Carrying 100 tons of granite over flat land is something that not even I can do, and I have a 500 horsepower truck. With no elephants in South America, these peasants you refer to had to "carry" the stones up to the top of a hill and I am supposed to believe they did this by hand and with no technology?

Jason Colavito link
2/7/2014 10:37:40 pm

Do you deny that the Romans moved stones as large as the Egyptian obelisks? If not, what makes the Inca less capable than the Romans?

Karl K
2/12/2014 11:58:24 pm

No one can deny what history has documented. The Romans took credit for and even bragged about their architecture and engineering. Their masterful technique was no mystery.

Almost every complex ancient structure around the world was built by "gods" according to what little history there was back then. Why build something so complex only to give credit to a "fictional" character? To insist that they HAD to be human despite the historical account is to be as arrogant as the Romans were. What makes the extra terrestrial history of Earth so much different to that of man? Every ancient civilization around the world clearly stated that man and "gods" coexisted at one point. Is it just a coincidence that they coexisted around the same time? Or were they just apes that "evolved" faster than the others? If the super-intelligent were, in fact, nothing more than an evolutionary anomaly, why didnt these "gods" survive? They were obviously the "fittest" to do so. What makes this so "unbelieveable" in your eyes? You want proof, but refuse to acknowledge what these civilizations said was the truth. Just because you believe in human innovation, doesnt mean we didnt have help during the early stages of our evolutionary development. The history is in the books, on the walls, and in the "fairytales" you refuse to acknowledge. THAT, my friend, (and with all due respect) is ignorant.

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Jason Colavito link
2/13/2014 12:06:19 am

Against this you have Pausanias who reported that the Mycenaean ruins had been built by Cyclopes, sons of the gods. Few would claim them as alien ruins, and we know who built them. The fact is that civilizations collapse and without written records the successors centuries later don't know what came earlier.

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karl k
2/18/2014 01:53:56 pm

Im not arguing what ET's or fairytale beings are capable of accomplishing. Superman could make the Earth rotate backwards (sci-fi) and any beings capable of intergalactic travel would surely have the technology to constuct anything that we can build here on Earth (AAT). Im questioning what HUMANS, namely ancient tribal people, were able to accomplish, especially with the technology of ancient times. You're adamant that ET's had nothing to do with ancient engineering mysteries, but not you, or anyone for that matter, can explain how humans ALONE could do it.

stink
2/17/2014 07:09:08 pm

honestly i cant believe you have put this much time and energy trying to disprove and dissuade the AAT which is something you cannot do you cant prove or disprove the THEORY. youre worse than scott disick

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vickie
2/27/2014 03:29:59 pm

If AAT is correct who created the aliens? something can not come from nothing. At some juncture we must know that the universe and us in it, is not a random event no matter the method of our origin. Fear not, have joy the possibilities are infinite.

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Mondo Zappa
2/27/2014 09:35:49 pm

Nice article.

While I think you could've perhaps gone into a bit more depth at times, you got the main points across.

AATs frustrate me. I have a friend who fervently believes this stuff and he seems immune to reason. In his case, any appeals to science are dismissed outright because he believes scientific methods are inaccurate and that scientific bodies and institutions like NASA are engaged in a disinformation conspiracy (that is, they wish to hide the truth of ancient aliens from humanity).

Here is what infuriates me about these people the most:

1. If you disagree with the AAT then it means you think there's no other intelligent life in the universe. I often hear this one (I've even seen it on here), and it is infuriating because it is not what skeptics are saying. What we are rejecting is the notion that space people came here, built or helped build our ancient monuments and then disappeared without a trace. It is not the same as saying there is no other intelligent life in the universe at all. So please stop using this argument, AATs.

2. AATs also like to set up a false dichotomy: it's either aliens or god (specifically the Christian god as it is the one most recognised by those living in the west). They make it sound as if these are the ONLY options available, so if you don't believe one, you must believe the other. The idea that someone might think there are natural explanations for our existence and the creation of our ancient sites is (if you will pardon the pun) alien to them.

3. It undermines the achievements of ancient peoples by giving unknown space people the credit for their accomplishments. The idea that we, as a species would've been too dumb to figure stuff out for ourselves and that we needed intervention from outside sources is frankly insulting.

4. Saying you can't disprove something doesn't make that think true or likely. You can't prove I don't have an invisible pet dragon that eats bubbles either.

5. The way they hijack ancient texts from other religions and read their own theories into those texts is dishonest, especially when they try to argue that those texts could be literally true if you just replace "god" or "gods" with "aliens". AATs are typically skeptical about religion (and rightly so), yet they happily plunder religious texts when it suits them, which I find very odd. I've heard crazy nonsense about Noah's Ark being true and that it was a spaceship and Noah was an alien, that Moses was also an alien and the Sodom and Gomorroh existed and were decimated by nuclear bombs. Uh… no. These are mythical stories written by ancient people. They are not true in any way and they did not happen. Science and archaeology confirms this. Stop embarrassing yourselves.

Ultimately, AAT is just a creation myth for non-religious people who are still gullible and credulous. If we were created by ancient aliens (as some theorists posit), then who or what created those aliens that created us? This is the same corner that religious folks who claim "goddidit" paint themselves into. It addresses a mystery with another mystery and answers nothing.

These people should put they obvious creative skills towards science fiction writing rather than trying to pretend that mythical, unproven claims are historical facts.

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Ari Royce
3/2/2014 02:51:17 am

Mother fucker type of stupid people like you always make me sick. Open science book Dude, just then talk about science. Don't just rumble fantasy and science in your tiny neocortex shit. No, don't. You're actually just fucking god's pet is the fact that my cat can think better han you. Read Steve below - I just don't have patient like him to you.

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Ari Royce
3/2/2014 03:03:20 am

True scientist, I can be sure would not talk to you. Reading one-two words from you make me feels like downgrading my IQ. So be sure you're just talking just to stupid same level as you shitty people. Don't generalize it to others. (If you understand what's this "generalize" means.)

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Steve
3/1/2014 04:27:59 pm

Mondo the AAT’s welcome scientific evidence. What is frowned upon is mainstream science that can’t think outside the box and only offer generic explanations of how some of these incredible ancient ruins were constructed. Disappeared without a trace? Really dude? It’s carved in stone all across the globe sir. Now granted, the ancient folks had nothing better to do at night than to watch the stars and bang super hot women at will (ah the good ‘ol days), and over several centuries they probably got very good at it, watching the stars that is! But the incredible precision of the pyramids to only expose 8 sides on the summer equinox, and the Mayan calendar that is as accurate if not more than the atomic clock is freaky. On and on and on here man…

I’m not going to argue your point on Noah’s Ark, I’ve always struggled with that one too, but all the AAT is doing is trying to make sense of what doesn’t make sense when translated through mainstream religion. I’m not qualified to translate the ancient text and neither are you, so we’re kind of at the mercy of what we’re being fed. But the AAT makes way more sense than the drivel that was forced down my brain in that huge deep East Texas money machine church A.K.A Six Flags over Jesus. Who by the way said himself he was an extraterrestrial in John 8:23.

The AAT is not a myth, it’s a theory. It has holes, it has issues, but it also has teeth. And for me it has tied a nice neat bow around many religions and made them all make more sense. I don’t think our ancestors sat around and made all this shit up dude. In my opinion it’s you that is insulting their accomplishments and beliefs. I guess only time will tell…

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danger007
4/8/2015 06:10:09 am

Thumbs up on "bang super hot women at will".
Very nicely summarized reply.

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Ari Royce
3/2/2014 02:57:15 am

What's up goat face??? You deleted my post. Well it's my honest thinking of you. It's much much better than you money famous driven HYPOCRITE monkey. Your logic is like my asshole logic - it's even smell better than yours.

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Jason Colavito link
3/2/2014 03:47:58 am

Your posts are in violation of my comments policy of 1/28/14, which bans offensive language. You are free to restate your views without offensive language to avoid deletion.

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Ari Royce
3/2/2014 04:30:10 am

NOP. Your post is EXACTLY just like my post. The difference is you're hypocrite, hiding behind words, I'm not. You may just too idiot to realise, too ignorance, or simply your so called god's mindless pet. One for sure there's no scientific value nor spirit, at all, in your post. Its content is just as rude as mine and I'm making this point clear. SO if you delete my post, delete also your blog.

Jason Colavito link
3/2/2014 04:32:54 am

My so-called God? And which one might that be? Zeus? Zagreus?

You realize that this particular blog entry had a specific purpose and had nothing to do with scientific research. If you'd like the scientific underpinnings for why I believe ancient astronaut theorists are wrong, you're welcome to review the literally hundreds of other blog posts I've written on the subject.

Ari Royce
3/2/2014 04:53:26 am

That is, you even cannot write the word god with lower capital. Remember in this context, we're discussing something that we haven't agreed yet. You cheat if you name it as if it's already agreed. One thing, you cannot name something that you cannot define. You can however assume it like some variable, but again you cannot write it in capital letter.

What do you mean by nothing to do with scientific research??? Scientific is a whole word for idea and research, and whatever the progress it would made, you cannot say meaningless in-complete thing like that.

AAT cannot be proved to be wrong or otherwise, just like any other theories. Science is about idea exploration, even the slightest chance to be correct, or wrong, is worth to be explored. Yes AAT supporters are filled with idiots and stupid believers, money oriented assholes, and to some degree including the great Von Daniken itself, but it cannot stop that the idea itself is astounding. Just reading some words that exaggerates of how you could prove it wrong, is so ridiculous. If you're genuine, then just get rid of wrong facts and false ideas of AAT, but do not claim it's wrong, you cannot, and there's never be such a thing in the spirit of science. Using science to underpinning your assertion, then using it in the spirit against science, is exactly the definition of hypocrite.

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Jason Colavito link
3/2/2014 05:11:20 am

Using a capital letter to distinguish a singular God from a multiplicity of gods is a literary convention. It signifies nothing else. In traditional orthography it is: God, a god, the gods. It's a style issue, not a philosophical one.

Similarly, this blog post was about rhetoric, the art of argumentation, not factual support for a point of view.

If you cannot distinguish between art and science, you have no right to accuse me of hypocrisy for discussing the former when you have mistaken it for the latter.

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Ari Royce
3/2/2014 05:31:27 am

What a literary convention??? The literary convention is name is written using capital letter. Don't crap with such an exotic convention. "god" and "gods" is good enough to differentiate singular and multiplicity of god.

How to differentiate art and science??? EASY: when the later has too many un-calculable parameters and results, it comes the art - guessing with your gut feeling. OOOOOHHH rest assured that science is always well defined, so you by it you can always define art. NO CONFUSION. By then it implies you cannot argue on art.

This blog is about rhetoric?? I just remember some wise man said "You cannot have argument with un-logical people" - then what's the usefulness of this blog?? Just entertaining?? But by trying to destroy a theory as its price??? You bet it big as hypocrite - and this is my rhetoric :)

Jason Colavito link
3/2/2014 01:34:27 pm

I'm sorry, but it appears that you and I are not communicating clearly about the same thing, or even the basic meaning of words and ideas. I wish you the best of luck, but I won't be able to have a discussion with you if you are not able to distinguish between argumentation and what is being argued.

Ari Royce
3/2/2014 04:53:37 am

That is, you even cannot write the word god with lower capital. Remember in this context, we're discussing something that we haven't agreed yet. You cheat if you name it as if it's already agreed. One thing, you cannot name something that you cannot define. You can however assume it like some variable, but again you cannot write it in capital letter.

What do you mean by nothing to do with scientific research??? Scientific is a whole word for idea and research, and whatever the progress it would made, you cannot say meaningless in-complete thing like that.

AAT cannot be proved to be wrong or otherwise, just like any other theories. Science is about idea exploration, even the slightest chance to be correct, or wrong, is worth to be explored. Yes AAT supporters are filled with idiots and stupid believers, money oriented assholes, and to some degree including the great Von Daniken itself, but it cannot stop that the idea itself is astounding. Just reading some words that exaggerates of how you could prove it wrong, is so ridiculous. If you're genuine, then just get rid of wrong facts and false ideas of AAT, but do not claim it's wrong, you cannot, and there's never be such a thing in the spirit of science. Using science to underpinning your assertion, then using it in the spirit against science, is exactly the definition of hypocrite.

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Alexandra
3/6/2014 09:37:48 am

Actually scientists take relevant information and use it to determine theories that could possibly fit with the evidence that is available. A true scientist knows they never have the exact truth but are always looking. I know, just like anyone else, you are looking for the truth. To discredit a theory simply because it doesn't fit with your current paradigm is, in essence, the opposite of scientific. You are cheating yourself most of all. We would be in the dark ages if we didn't let go of our past expectations of how the world works. Fortunately, we are all in this together. Stop looking for enemies in people who only seek to understand.

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Sonja Heunes
6/19/2014 08:45:45 pm

Alexandra. That is exactly the problem with the human race today. Everybody wants everything explained so that they can understand it and that is not necessary. All we need to know Is that God is the only creator and ruler of earth and Satan wants to destroy all of Gods creation. Satan uses AAT and people like them to do this.

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Steve Steele
6/23/2014 09:47:46 am

The difference between science and religion is simple. When Science is proven wrong .. then science must change. Religion however, when pushed back by science, refuses to change. For instance the ancient writings that refer to Jesus having wife and child. Christians refuse to accept it even though it was written just like eveything in the Bible was written, The science of religion refuses to budge or adapt newly found concepts. that is why science wins everytime.

Sonja Heunes
6/19/2014 08:50:27 pm

Alexandra. That is exactly the problem with the human race today. Everybody wants everything explained so that they can understand it and that is not necessary. All we need to know Is that God is the only creator and ruler of earth and Satan wants to destroy all of Gods creation. Satan uses AAT and people like them to do this

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Steve
3/13/2014 02:53:19 pm

Excellent job Alexandra! I think that pretty much puts a nail in the coffin. If you’re anywhere near the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex I’d love to buy you a drink. I know a place downtown that serves a mean 8-Sided Pyramid and Puma Punku Juice! If you don’t drink the hard stuff we could always meet for a beer at The Flying Saucer:-)

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SeanDartez
7/27/2015 06:03:19 am

for the sake of argument what if aliens have souls

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Cody
3/25/2014 06:10:40 am

Jason, I just wanted to say something. You seem like a well educated man who's done the research & I respect that, a lot. I just have one little problem. You're not a credible source. I'm not credible. In fact, NOBODY ON EARTH is credible on this subject matter because nobody currently alive on planet earth lived in those times! All the science, all the speculation, all the blind faith on both sides....nobody really has a clue because we weren't there.

You haven't proven any theory to be right or wrong, yet you use terms like "debunked" & "paleo babble", which is just disrespectful & implies that you're the only one who's correct. You say "sure, it's POSSIBLE" but you don't really mean that. You're just hellbent on being right & telling others they're wrong. That's the same kind of thinking that has lead us to every single war in human history. People just can't respect others' opinions. Otherwise, you would've said something like, "I respect your theory or opinion, you could very well be right & so could I, we just don't know". But, you didn't. Quite frankly, you take a rather naive & arrogant stance & criticize others that challenge you. I heard a saying once that really rings true in this case. "Never trust those who claim to have the answers, only in those who seek them". The difference between AATs & scientists is science lives inside a box WE OURSELVES created. Scientists are bound by how advanced their field is at the time. If you were to ask a "scientist" in 1920 if we'd ever be able to store & listen to hours & hours of music on a device no larger than a half dollar, what do you think that scientist would say? Do you think he'd say, sure I suppose it's possible? Or do you think he'd say, there's no evidence to support that theory? I'll let you answer that one.

The only real truth is we can't possibly comprehend a higher intelligence than ourselves. Will we ever uncover the truth about our origins? I don't know. All I do know is that "science", as we know it, is not the end-all be-all. Science only explains what it's capable of explaining at the time. Science has serious limitations. Ancient Astronaut Theory requires one to question everything they know & be open minded. It requires one to think outside the box, as all great men in history did. I'm sure scientists thought DaVinci was crazy in his time. He did & said things that were unheard of, incomprehensible. But, he turned out to be one of the most significant figures in human history & we wouldn't be where we are today without him. I'm just saying, either one of us could be right. I'm not claiming you're wrong. I'd just like it if you could say the same instead of disregarding everything you don't understand as hogwash. That's not how we progress.

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Ari Royce
3/25/2014 06:43:39 am

You're ABSOLUTELY right, this blogger is just ignorance crap, self logical delusional, and in desperate need for his dent in his miserable life.

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Jason Colavito link
3/25/2014 06:55:32 am

First, I don't use the word "paleobabble." That's Mike Heiser. Don't confuse us. I also don't use the word "debunked." That's Chris White. Don't confuse us either.

You seem to think that there is no value in negative information? If we *know* that what Giorgio Tsoukalos says about al-Maqrizi's Al-Khitat is wrong, do you not consider this valuable? If we *know* that David Childress's quotations from the Mahabharata are wrong, is that not valuable?

There is no point in accepting a theory without facts to support it. Eliminating the wrong facts should make a theory stronger because that leaves only the right facts. You should support the work of skeptics, who remove the bad facts and poor arguments. If any good remains, you'd be all the better for it.

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Ari Royce
3/25/2014 03:09:39 pm

OOoo Goat you did it again! Accepting theory without fact?? Tell me which theory that starts with obvious fact! And what do make you think Cody, and we, are not skeptics?? We're skeptics with open mind - that we don't need fucking arrogancy like you - concluding by ignorance on the main idea. By writing tens of "debunked" articles?? You think???You're no doubt just assholes try to lift your pants up.

Alien Guy
5/7/2014 01:11:12 am

Yea you know who I am. Aliens didn't just visit in the past.. They are still here around the solar system. They left clues of their existence in what appears to be Hints. They intended for mankind to search for them in the stars. They left a whole bunch of things around that ppl would find. It was intentionally for that purpose.

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Christopher
5/30/2014 12:36:07 pm

Here is my interpretation of the AA theory. All It takes is a little bit of research to debunk nearly every one of their theories and hypothesis. Ancient Aliens does a good job of raising curiosity on the subject and presenting it in a way that seems believable.

The main problem I have with their theories in the 1st place is it takes away from humanity as a whole. That clearly we are not nor were ever intelligent enough to figure things out on our own. Humans by nature are curious animals. It is this reason we are set apart from the rest of the animal kingdom. That curiosity is what led us to discoveries of the wheel, fire, and later building planting and cultivating. The AA theory suggest we are all idiots and need an advanced civilization in order to learn these things.

Now to play devils advocate..... I am not opposed to the notion that early and modern man may have been visited by E.T. If in fact they have been I truly believe it was to observe. Not to interfere. Science is finding new discoveries everyday to the idea it may be possible to travel amongst the stars or even travel faster then light. Mathematically there is clear evidence to support these theories. Who are we to say whether or not a more advanced civilization out in the far reaches of space have not already figured these things out. My assumption is that if aliens have come to earth it would be for the same reason we observe animals and primitive life. To learn observe and record. I seriously doubt they have ever interfered with our evolution or our way of life. If aliens of that nature had come to earth it would be in my opinion like when Columbus came to the Americas.

So far there has been no concrete evidence of aliens interacting with humans during any point of our existence. No remains of bodies and or technology left over from such a visit. If E.T. came to earth and had such a profound effect on human evolution there would at least be some kind of trace evidence. Statistically based on numbers alone the possibility of E.T. life is a near certainty. Some of those being may have learned to travel amongst the stars in ways we yet do not understand. and it is very likely that they may have come to earth and observed mankind. But in my opinion if E.T. has come to earth it was for nothing more than to observe and record and move on because clearly we are not advanced enough to make contact with. this would explain the absence of evidence of them ever having been here.

For those of us who do have a love for science we do need to remember to be a little open minded about things and that just cause we cant prove it now doesn't mean we cant later as more evidence comes to light. But as for these quacks that claim that aliens built the pyramids, pumapunku and the heads of easter island, it is of my opinion that they are good con-men. They look at things at face value but fail to research further to back up their claims. There are things in and around this planet that have yet to be explained. some of the questions they raise may have merit, but as of yet nothing they have mentioned is creditable.

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Thomas
10/22/2014 09:22:42 pm

"The main problem I have with their theories in the 1st place is it takes away from humanity as a whole. That clearly we are not nor were ever intelligent enough to figure things out on our own. Humans by nature are curious animals. It is this reason we are set apart from the rest of the animal kingdom. That curiosity is what led us to discoveries of the wheel, fire, and later building planting and cultivating. The AA theory suggest we are all idiots and need an advanced civilization in order to learn these things."

To say that we weren't intelligent enough to figure things out on our own would be incorrect. If you recall, Ancient Sumerian texts are believed to say that we were created by aliens for the sole purpose of being a slave race. If this were true, then how are we as advanced as we are today? Why should the aliens have given us more intelligence than was necessary?

"Now to play devils advocate..... I am not opposed to the notion that early and modern man may have been visited by E.T. If in fact they have been I truly believe it was to observe. Not to interfere. Science is finding new discoveries everyday to the idea it may be possible to travel amongst the stars or even travel faster then light. Mathematically there is clear evidence to support these theories. Who are we to say whether or not a more advanced civilization out in the far reaches of space have not already figured these things out. My assumption is that if aliens have come to earth it would be for the same reason we observe animals and primitive life. To learn observe and record. I seriously doubt they have ever interfered with our evolution or our way of life. If aliens of that nature had come to earth it would be in my opinion like when Columbus came to the Americas."

You doubt whether or not they have interfered with our evolution or our way of life? Don't make me laugh. How do you explain the last 100 years, even the last 60, compared to the beginning of time (time being the beginning of recorded time for humans)? We have made more advances and discoveries that could only have happened due to aliens. Roswell for instance. Do you not believe that an Unidentified Flying Object could have crash landed in a farmer/rancher's field because of some malfunction? I don't believe we would have most of the technology we do today if it wasn't for reverse engineering of these UFO's. Christopher Colombus might have discovered the America's for Spain, but there is evidence to suggest that the Vikings were here long before he was.

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danger007
4/8/2015 06:23:11 am

Have you read 'Technology of the Gods'. If you haven't read it.
And also give us a solid method according to you as to how stone blocks as heavy as 2000 tonnes were chiselled, lifted and pit into place by human beings themselves.
And one more thing : You cannot prove a theory wrong. You can just correct some mistakes which occurred while formulating the theory.

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Steve
6/6/2014 04:14:42 pm

Well there’s no concrete evidence that Jesus turned water into wine, or Sampson killed 1,000 men with the jawbone of a donkey either. Yet billions of people pour their hearts, their souls and their money into the idea that it’s true. So why is it that when a theory comes along that makes perfect sense when viewed from a few miles up people shoot it down, debunk it or whatever you want to call it in favor of something that clearly makes no sense when taken literally?

The fact is man 10,000 years ago wasn’t all that bright. You’re giving them way too much credit. And I disagree, there is physical evidence. Thousands if not millions of documented UFO sightings by credible witnesses (including me), a plethora of cave paintings, 2,000 year old rituals and let’s face it, like you said a lot of things we still can’t explain!

Gee I don’t know man, until someone convinces me otherwise my money is on the AAT. I like reading input from other people on this topic and I’ll keep my eyes peeled for a solid deal breaker, but for now I haven’t seen it.

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Ari Royce
6/20/2014 05:50:38 am

You're my man!

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Sonja Heunes
6/19/2014 08:32:38 pm

I do not have a degree or any other scientific knowledge but I do know that there is no such thing as an alien and all ancient astronaut theorists is talking bull. There is however demons who would like to mislead us and fools who would like to believe in everything that anybody tells them. I believe in God, creator and ruler of earth and Satan who wishes to destroy God and all of his creation and he can succeed through idiots like ancient astronaut theorists.

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Ari
6/19/2014 09:00:36 pm

You should take one (scientific knowledge). Seriously.

Second, there's no such a thing like Demon. It’s bogus. There's no one (yet) die and rise from the tomb and ascend into heaven. Okay? That. Did. Not. Happen. Yet. God did not take the form of a little bird and fly down and impregnate an unwed teenage virgin girl so that she could give birth to a half-human half-divine man-god. Immaculate conception, virgin birth, raising people from the dead, walking on water, loaves and fishes — great stories, but correctly filed under “fiction.” This sounds like a form of mental illness.

Third, your god is powerful, you-are-nothing. So-if-that-satan-wants-to-destroy-your-god-you-should-stay-away-from-it-bokaayhh. You are nothing, remember, nothing you could possibly do to help. He is so powerful-you are nothing. Worst that your god would be so busy to keep you safe that satan could eventually destroy him - you will be just un-necessary distraction in his way. So KEEP-AWAY. KEEP-AWAY. Say this mantra over-and-over-again.

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Sonja Heunes
6/22/2014 07:06:45 pm

Wha haha. I feel sorry for you and everybody that believe the crap you believe in. My God is powerfule, even more than satan and I am the apple of His eye.

Steve Steele link
6/23/2014 04:18:25 am

Uuuuuhhhhh! religous people?! yes hunny, we know that Chritians are the only ones going to heaven, and that you are the only one who knows anything, and we know God only recognizes your religion. Ya'll leave this lady alone... she is tourtured enough as is. remeber religion is a mental disorder.

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Steve Steele
6/23/2014 09:36:01 am

Sonja, How is it that you know for sure there is no ET life?

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Steve
6/23/2014 12:53:29 pm

So let’s turn this around. Since Jesus said he is not from this world (extraterrestrial) in John 8:23, maybe it’s you Sonja that is the non-believer in Christ. Maybe it’s you committing the unforgivable sin by not taking him at his word. Read your Bible… he was not from this world.

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Sonja Heunes
6/23/2014 09:05:15 pm

If you would like me to school you in the ways of God and the Bible I would do so gladly, but not to humor you foolishness. You are free to believe what you want, but I will believe what I want. I do have prove that there is eternal life and that there is a God and will not share this with fools. Psalms 14:1 and 53:1

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Steve Steele
6/24/2014 04:41:55 am

Sonja, I cant speak for everyone on this blog. I never said there was no GOD. I spent 27 years being indoctrinated into the Christian nonsense. However, knowing what God actually is, is the mystery that you (Sonja) nor I know for sure. If you believe that God is some spooky guy floating above the clouds and I believe God is an actual being from another place in our universe, then, we both still believe in God. Its just a matter of your judgement on logical thinking people that separates us. I once was an unevolved Chritian like yourself who was brainwashed into thinking that the Bible was the ONLY source of knowledge. Someday you will wake up and realize there is an entire world of information at your fingertips. As a Christian you do yourself no justice by going to church and listening to the preacher give his view of what the Bible says. Never believe a preacher, their job is to keep you in their church so they can pilfer as much cash from you as possible. Jesus is named in several other ancient writings, such as the Quaran, Book of Magdalene, and several others. If you would like a lesson on who Jesus really was. I would be happy to help you out. I will start with, Jesus was liberal Jew which is far removed from what Christianity is today. Good Luck

Jamie
6/29/2014 11:02:01 am

First time poster
I love the vast amount of comments from people it really is a strong topic. I have been watching Ancient Aliens for ages and find it a good entertaining programme I have a love of history so seeing a different point of view is great. I don't have a belief in god I believe that it is human beings own ego that cannot imagine that we are just an amazing construction of biological tissue and want to believe that we are a soul and will live forever in some form. It is hard to imagine our life not existing. But if it was not god where did the stories of religious texts come from and that's where we get stuck if it was not god what was it that inspired all these texts. It really could be misinterpreted texts that will have been edited over the years like a game of Chinese whispers for example a fiery vehicle can easily be changed over the years. But it could be people creating a fiction that ultimately gives them respect and power. The idea of Ancient Aliens is a great update of old beliefs but it does lack actual physical proof it needs to be more to change history. I believe that there is aliens out there on other planets possible a lot more advanced than us but I don't believe that we or them would ever be able to travel between planets I would love the concept to be true but it feels too distant still. As a race we are capable of creating the most amazing. Who knows what our history was the shocking fact is no one knows. It has been agreed that AATS go a bit too far with some theories but it does add to the entertainment

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Ari Royce
6/29/2014 04:58:42 pm

Just look-up to the sky, calculate the astronomical amount of stars, planets, and galaxies, then decide yourself what's more likely, are all of these just there to entertain our intelligence??

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Jamie
6/30/2014 08:07:34 am

There has to be alien life out there and most likely an advanced race out there. But the question if space travel is possible over the vast distances. Science says it's possible through theory scientists such as Einstein and Stephen Hawkins believe in the possibility. So the question would be if space travel is possible then there's a good chance that it will have been discovered by an alien race and used to visit earth. I would however like to imagine more physical proof that is not just mystery and speculation but love the alternative concept and feel it stands better grounds than religion

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Ari Royce
6/30/2014 05:07:25 pm

Jamie, I don't think there would be a definitive answer until we meet them and they confess to us :) Even so, we may not get a “nice” answer from them. Stories such from Mahabharata and Bible suggested there’s war between themselves. We don’t know why, or if it really happened, but we may end up asking the wrong side, and that could be bad for us :)

Indeed the status of this AAT is a big mess right now as there’re too many instant scientists and money seekers involve in the whole things. But if we try to be more open minded and in the same time keep aside stories, evidence, and conclusions that’re too far stretched, we have to admit that there’re much coincidences that could not be explained without involving them.

One of my favorite is about the age. It can be checked in Bible that the age of several messiahs, that often met their “god” in “heaven”, are almost 1000 years old. Folklores from ancient China were also telling more or less the same story. That is if someone was invited to god’s party – somehow the time was slowing down to them. They think they went for a week, but when they came back, the earth had moved ahead for tens of years. And then we know that Einstein’s Special Relativity Theory is indeed true: time for someone (or particles) that move in high speed relative to light would slow down.

I think the main big idea here is we as human are exploring things, always looking for answers, BUT we don’t need, and may not necessary, to always find the answer! The exploration itself is already showing us, regardless where we came from, regardless what we’re meant for, that we’re human, and that is already something that we could enjoy immensely. Hence the problem with religion is not in the religion itself but in the shortsighted people that flock more into its tradition rather than exploring its way of thinking.

I hope you can find more peace in your search and exploration :)

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Caesey
7/9/2014 04:13:29 pm

Just because it can't be proven scientifically, doesn't mean it isn't true. I believe in evolution, but I also believe that DNA of primates was messed with a long time ago by extraterrestrials and human appeared. I don't think science will ever be able to prove or disprove this.

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Steve Steele
7/19/2014 10:21:14 am

In time everyone will come to the realization that we are a part of a wonderful and scary cosmic family. Ancient writings are nothing but evidence of interaction with other people from other planets. I do believe they will visit again as the Bible and other religions teach us. Their planet passes the Earth every 2600 years. We will se them then. Some will claim it's the second coming of Jesus or whoever your religion says it will be and others will say they are extra terrestrials. We are talking about the same thing here people. The only difference is that religion lacks logic and therefore is disingenuous.

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Kirk D
8/2/2014 11:47:41 am

I will never understand why these debates always get personal. They become attacks of ignorance claiming the other is more dumb.

I am a believer in a creator and aliens. I believe there is enough reasons around us to feel both are plausible. I however do not believe the creator is all powerful, infallible, and pure love. Neither seem provable to me at this point in time. At the rate our knowledge of ancient history is evolving, death will be my way of finding out. If that will even answer it.

For me, It is the journey to gain knowledge I enjoy most in this world. I enjoyed the author's views just as much as the responses. But to really move forward in a debate, we need to drop the name calling and just listen and reply. But reply with tact and sincerity. A point will never be heard when said through clenched teeth. Clenched teeth only elicits defensive responses like we have seen.

Just two cents from an average guy.

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GeoFabricio
8/6/2014 11:00:56 am

Man! I read all of your article with the hope that u present some kind of valid argument that coud contradict the AA theory, but all you say is that the AA does not support itself on scientific evidence.
As i read some of your later arguments replying some of the coments i found one that u says that the stones in the walls of Puma Punko was carved with metal tools.
Been so, i gotta ask you whats your formation?
Are you a phisisist? Qhimist? Arkeologist? Do you have any kind of scientific formation?
If not, all your arguments are void!
The stones in Puma Punko was cuted by metal tools?
Were are thoes tools?
Dam! Do you ever hold a piece of granite in your arrogant hands?
I trully dont believe it, because if you would, you know the impossibility to cut and drag 5 ton bloks of granite with any kind of tools and wat ever men power they dispose!
Suggest you review your arguments with less arrogancy and study a bit more.
By the way, i am a geologist and i see lots of logic in the AAT arguments. And i hold lots of granite in my hands!

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Ari
8/7/2014 06:23:07 am

You're absolutely right. This goat is just trying to sell himself with idiotic arrogancy.

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Kyle link
8/14/2014 05:02:18 pm

Well, technically him and the AAT are both stating their sides are correct. Both sides need to stop making assumptions, and leave it what it all is. A theory. Until proof is presented to make it FACT, or until proof is presented to make it DEBUNKED officially. If one of the two has yet to occur for the specific subject at hand, then it is a big fat *maybe*, people can discuss all they want just like God, but there is no proof. And even English-written text, from Jesus Christ could not be found and viewed as "yes! jesus was real! look he wrote this himself!". Okay, so? A guy named Jesus Christ wrote it, now you say that Jesus Christ,the son of God from the book The Holy Bible is true because you found some form of diary or auto bio from JC himself? Irdc, if YOU weren't THERE. YOU DON'T KNOW, NOR DOES ANYONE ELSE. (not directed to you guys, just ranting at the overall situation of this debate crap) Plz read my cmnt below, and understand I don't choose either side in this specific debate. To me, it's a maybe. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. If it did, cool. It happened. And that's that. It wouldn't change my life to know it happened. It's what it is. But no proof, so. Looks like life will be the same afterall. LMAO XD jking
I just don't see how a scientist can say it's incorrect when the scientist is using, excuse me, what proof? And I ALSO don't see how an AAT could sit there and say "they had to've had to do this! it's the only logical explanation". No, it's not buddy. It's a DAMN GOOD explanation, but it's not "THE ONLY" logical explanation. Not by the thinnest of hairs it's not. There could've been GIANTS, who knows, I'm not sure, but I CAN TELL YOU WHO DOESN'T KNOW; US; Meaning AAT, Scientists, and anyone else.
We THINK, we do NOT "know". Those who go as far as to say they know, without showing the evidence support them trying to say it's true or false should be ignored as anything more than a theory of what they're speaking of, because it's a maybe without factual evidence. And AAT's should be asking scientists where their proof is for debunking the *KEYWORD*~POSSIBLE~ theory.

Kyle link
8/14/2014 04:44:47 pm

See, I don't believe this crap. But for Christ's sake, I barley believe anything. I'm prettymuch a fucking Nihilist. The problem I have with the Ancient astranaught theorists (argue with my dad about this all the time sense he's a huge fan of the show), it is a cool theory, it does make sense AT TIMES with SOME things that they say. The BIG PROBLEM it gives me is, they don't sit there saying we THINK, or anything. They may, but that ends up crumpling away, and they begin going into "YES! YES! AND THEY DID THIS AND YES, YES AND THEY DID THAT! AND YES, THAT HAPPENED, THE HAD TO HAVE THIS!!!". The thing is, we don't even know everything about our planet. I mean, there could've, KEYWORD: COULD'VE, been a ancient civilization millions of years back that was extinct, NO ALIENS, just similar beings to us, or the exact same thing. And they had technology, likewise to how we have in modern day, and were able to create buildings like this with more ease than our history books will tell us. Hey! That's a theory! It's POSSIBLE, but is it WHAT HAPPENED? I really don't know. Is ancient aliens what happened? I don't know, and neither do you or the Ancient astranaught theorists or anyone else. No one can answer any of this, we can THINK, we can have OPINIONS and THEORIES. But we can't say ANY of it is WRONG or RIGHT unless there is PROOF. This is how it works in that thing most people forget about, reality. Idgaf if you're a scientist, or speaking scientifically, same goes for them. Scientists cannot put their theories down, unless they have evidence to put it down. If they don't, they can say "I don't know" or "Maybe" as anyone should, because no one has proof. HAH! It's such a fucking joke dudes!! These guys "we're right" those guys "no we're right". WTMF? Who cares, for one. For two, let's actually spend this money discovering things about Earth we don't know, like exploring under the ocean which we really barley know ANYTHING about when you look at how much we haven't even reached. Yet we're exploring space. Man we are a stupid species in so many factoring ways, that's one thing I can point to as fact, with PLENTY of evidence. HAHA! xD Back to seriousness... I just feel that there's no reason to say Ancient astranaught theorists are wrong, unless it can be proved without a shadow of a doubt they are. For instance, I know they like to say "that beam of light they talked about in this book(usually the holy bible or an ancient text) was actually a UFO being piloted by an intelligent-creature as ourselves. "Okay.. Now I personally don't think its correct. My opinion. but I will NOT go as far to say it's impossible, ever, unless PROVEN without the shadow of a doubt that it IS impossible for the theory presented to be incorrect. And in reality, we have no way to know most of these things because we can't trust history 100%, how much do you think has been lost, changed and destroyed by cultures over thousands of years? A lot, for places all over the world. So barley anyone knows a thing about history, and again, we weren't there for many of these historical events. So, we cannot look a world history, let it initiate us to make a theory and say it's true, or say it's false. It's *maybe*, and until proven or disproven, that's what it remains. *maybe*
Just like Jesus Christ, God, Odin, Thor, and prettymuch any god from an ancient civilization. No one has the proof to say it's real, or not real. It's all a big fat maybe, and I feel we waste valuable time trying to figure out answers to things we're never going to find by thinking. We can only find these answers, if even there to find, by going out and learning, and discovering. If we don't do this, than the answers, however many, that ARE THERE TO FIND, may never be found, again, IF they are EVEN THERE. Keep an open mind everyone, and thanks for reading(if you did). \m/

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Carl
8/17/2014 03:57:30 am

Look, I have watched AA since the show first appeared. They clearly have discussed at all times "isn't this possible" or "couldn't this be" statements...and yes they say yes. Because that is AAT findings and their opinions. They even go as far to tell you other opinions scientific or not. As far as religion, many of you that dreadfully oppose AAT because you feel that it denounces your religion or they don't believe in a God or your God. I have actually heard Georgio actually talk about his God and what he believes. AATheorists are not saying they don't believe in God nor have I ever heard them say that. They just believe God may not be what you perceive God to be. Have you Jason or any of the rest of you who discount AAT to its core seen the answers to whether any religion, scientist or theoretical physicist, or any other revered notable theorist, have discovered all the true answers. Of course you have not. No one does. And, by the way, AAT has noted in even the title of their belief and "Theory". It is Theory not the exact fact. Do you discount Einstein? He has a lot of Theories. Do you discredit him? Some have been proven and some have not. I use Einstein as an example cause he is most noticed. A man with theories. They are theories. You should take that word for what it is. I have never once heard anyone around this community under AAT say they are right and everyone is wrong. They are working towards the truth and what they believe is what they are hoping the truth is. I really can't stand when people like you name call and make every attempt to discredit when you yourself have no proof or no clearly science does not have it either. I have also seen plenty of people on the blog name calling back at Jason and his followers. Why stoop to this level. They use this tactic out of ignorance. Jason, it's ok if you do not believe it or a little bit of it. But you truly have no proof against it. Your article is written short of a political speech. Says a lot that says nothing. Over time proof will unfold and you will believe the earth is flat while others will have theories it's not and eventually the answers we seek will unfold.

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NateMan
8/22/2014 12:27:24 am

MY theory is this: Some point in the near future, or even sometime in the recent past, humans discovered time travel. We use that for the exact thing many movies, books, blogs, etc. have depicted we end up using such a power for; we go see the dinosaurs. The pyramids. The creation period. From cause and effect, which is explained in all these movies, we have changed things dramatically. Humans were in spacetimes that they shouldn't have been in. Back in the future, we have destroyed humanity because we destroyed the spacetime continuum. But its okay. We are still in the time machine. It isn't destroyed yet. It works outside of reality(Explain it anyway you want, I'm just going with it.) So, using that, we go back to when we created the time machine. We lay down some rules. Rule one; don't be seen. Rule two; find the certain set of circumstances in human history that create the "perfect" reality/world/dimension that leads to eternal human existence. So with these new rules, our time machines(UFOs) may interfere, but not let on that our own race is responsible for all these dramatic events.

This is my little fun theory that I believe explains every question ever about the universe. Not really, but its totally just as good an explanation(I THINK) as a deity or aliens.

My debunk for whoever(whomever?_not sure on correct usage there) mentioned the theory with the deity's ability to give us obstacles(tests, i believe was the word used) or rewards; instead of seeing the objects of receiving these tests or rewards as other humans, maybe he could as easily use an animal or object. Sure, he would still be pulling the strings on them, but not so much us. A bad debunk, i know. But I've pondered over that one a many a time. I will have to get stoned later and think on it. But a very amusing and introspective article. Great job, EVERYONE!!! Except those of you with bad grammar and English. Not your fault. Maybe you don't care or whatnot, but still. Assholes.

All in all, my ULTIMATE belief is the Christian(or maybe its not Christian origin, I can't say that I have researched the origin nor do I care to) DO NOT JUDGE. Which more than half of you did when you read Jason's article. Shame.

Other than that, a good lesson for all:

You do not know what you do not know. And that is simply fact. And with technology being around, seeing is really believing nowadays. As far as I know, the pyramids don't exist. All I know is what this computer shows me. I can't prove a damn thing. And I accept that. Maybe you should all too.

And done. I do care if you would drop a comment on my eccentricity. Thanks!

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asshole
9/10/2014 05:56:16 am

How about the chips found implanted in humans, and hundreds of videos posted online and even on news stations?

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Giorgio
10/2/2014 12:07:32 pm

Now I'm not saying its aliens..but its aliens.

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SDM link
10/12/2014 02:49:40 pm

I would like to ask a few questions to you JC;

1) Can you 100% prove that evolution is how early hominids evolved into modern day human beings (homo sapien sapiens)?

2) Can you prove that ANY of the religious texts (worldwide) are 100% accurate as to the events that have been recorded and/or within the context that they have been written?

As you probably know, the answer to both of these questions should be "no".

I do not believe everything I have heard or seen on the show Ancient Aliens but 10+ years of research in this subject has brought some interesting things to light. For instance, common sense tells me that it does not make sense for man to go from hunter/gatherers, that are covered in fur (hair) all over their bodies, to losing most of that fur/hair (naturally- through the evolution process) but then having to cover up with the fur of other animals to stay warm.

That is just one of a plethora things that makes me ask many questions about the common religious and/or evolution paradigm. The point is that nobody has the 100% truth and that keeping your mind open and trying to find the truth is more realistic than saying that certain theories are basically impossible because they go against those common paradigms!

SDM

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Ari Royce
10/12/2014 04:48:31 pm

Yup, JC is a goat.

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paul
10/20/2014 03:18:08 am

Your arguing skills (which are more nitpicky than argue-y) < ancient astronaut theory tbh

don't quit your day job

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SDM
10/20/2014 03:46:58 pm

@ Paul

Are you addressing me? If so, what's "nitpicky" about asking for some answers to questions that are just as plausible as asking an Ancient Astronaut theorist to give proof! Your post sounds defensive. Yet you offer no answers?! Hmmmm.

I could bring several things to the table that warrant some serious research for the ancient astronaut theory and really (in most cases), are no more questionable than a religious or evolutionary stance!

SDM

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Thomas
10/22/2014 08:52:22 pm

I have a small problem here. You might have already answered this, but I'm not going to read through 160(+) comments to find it. My question is, how is Giorgio Tsoukalos wrong by saying this?

1. The beings called the “gods” were actually extraterrestrial beings.

2. Pyramids (and by extension other ancient buildings) were not built by these aliens but were instead built with the intellectual aid of aliens.

3. Ancient texts, taken at face value, prove the first and second claims.

Your argument:
As I showed, the ancient Babylonian text, the Enuma Elish, taken at face value states that the “gods,” whom AATs identified as aliens, were responsible for the physical construction of the temples and great ziggurat of Babylon. They molded the bricks and stacked them into buildings.

Now, AATs have a problem: Claim 3 cannot be correct since another “ancient text” offers a different view. Claim 2 is now contradicted as well by a plain reading of the text under the assumptions the AATs themselves agreed upon. If the AATs wish to keep their theory intact, they need to choose one of two paths: recant their belief that ancient texts are literally true (impossible) or admit stated claims are wrong and accept against facts that aliens built the ziggurat, which can demonstrably be shown to be the work of human beings.

In Girgio's tweet, claim 3 can still be true. You have only proven it half correct. How, you might be wondering? Claim 3 does say ancient texts, plural, prove one and two to be true, which you do put into question with your evidence, but your evidence contradicts that in only one instance being Babylon. What other proof can you provide to further contradict claim 3? In claim 2, he didn't say ALL ancient buildings were built with intellectual aid from aliens, but used the word other. Therefore, claim 2 can still be considered true.

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Ari Royce
11/22/2014 03:41:09 am

Are you kidding yourselves?? Are you trying to show off your little intellectual?? Back to the topic, moron.

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Tom
6/3/2015 12:06:20 pm

For the love of god you can't even write properly and you want to be taken seriously?
You're the one who thinks "arrogancy" is a word...a hint that your argument is weak : when you start attacking the messenger and you have no rebuttal on the message itself.
Go ,take a break,get some thorasine you poor deluded dimwit

julie g
10/31/2014 02:45:22 pm

How funny... r u twins with Jon colavito? If so, what an amazigly small world this is!

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Ghouliusboozler1
11/2/2014 12:23:44 pm

Hard to imagine people arguing over what is largely speculation. Does logic have more than one interpretation?

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Ari Royce
11/22/2014 03:45:32 am

The moron here is just Jason. He tries to banish a theory by arguing the unknowns. Anw it's really fun actually, using the same argument such as his, I can safely say Jason is a goat because he didn't invent Relativity theory.

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Tom
6/3/2015 12:09:22 pm

...invent relativity theory. What the fuck are you talking about? First off all what you mean is called general relativity . Second of all STOP USING WORDS THAT AREN'T EVEN WORDS! It has zero fucking bearing on anything. It makes you sound like a petty kid who doesnt know what those "BIG WORDS" actually mean.

Shut the fuck up already

Jin
4/24/2016 01:42:18 am

Ari, is the most annoying person on the blog.

William Young
11/21/2014 04:57:52 pm

In the book of Ezekiel (if I remember correctly) , it is written that "Chariots of fire decended from the sky, picked man up, and lifted him to the heavens ".

If whomever wrote that was living in our current time and saw our land, sea, air and space vehicles, Im sure he would have written "Vehicles of fire decended from the sky, picked man up and lifted him to the heavens "....aka "Space".

Also, what would you call this that Iv stumbled upon.......Soul Or Alien?: http://youtu.be/5haU4E2QNFw

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Ari Royce
11/22/2014 03:47:12 am

Hi Mr Goat, try to answer this one. Jason.

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Tom
6/3/2015 12:10:56 pm

What's your fixation with goats? Did you mean sheep perhaps? What an incessant cretin...

Jin
4/24/2016 01:43:44 am

He means G.O.A.T. (greatest of all time)....That's why he keeps calling Jason a Goat. LOL!

uisce
11/24/2014 12:42:37 am

Was just having a look at this website to try and gain both perspectives on the ancient alien theory and everyone has very interesting points of view. although I am religious I'm deeply interested in archeology and history and fact but it is very tempting to believe in theory's such as ancient aliens when there are certain things that are unexplained or with no evidence to the contrary and it would also be very unintelligent to completely refuse to believe that there COULD be other life or life that we simply don't know about yet. my humble theory is that these unexplained things such as the pyramids around the world to hieroglyphs of lightbulbs and helicopters and ancient battery's are just leftovers of civilisations, tiny scraps of evidence of these people's life on earth and that at some point these or other civilisations of people were simply more intelligent than we are now and that for all that we have achieved as a race we simply cannot accept that somewhere someone may have done it first or better or whatever and that's the reason we can't explain it. I mean with all the technology, know how and evidence we have how could we fail to understand how a pyramid Was built unless we are just not as intelligent as the peoples who built it. However that is just another theory and know one can actually know the answer to any of it but we do as humans believe in things that are far more unbelievable that'll another race of beings(religion) being one of them but I think we have to accept that we are not going to know everything about everything and nor should we for all we know we may be merely repeating a cycle that has already been before.

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Sasanka nath
12/16/2014 01:21:28 am

Hi friends im a new supporter of alien life in universe . Before dissmis the the AAT you need watch and research about modern UFOLOGY and contact with MUFON and the real people who become the victim by alien abduction. And finaly you should read " THE BLUE PLANET PROJCT"
remember stephen hwaking warn us that there are must exsist alien life in the vast universe and not contect with them ? Why ? You know Why ! Do't think that you are along in the universe .

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Dave
1/5/2015 09:03:03 am

One thing is certain, "AAT's" are far more interesting and thought provoking than this article.

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Jeremy
1/16/2015 06:21:11 pm

Why do we have to argue over other peoples beliefs? Can't we all just accept the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Who cares how narrow minded it may sound. No need for name calling.. who cares if people believe in aas or not. If you don't, good for you. If you do, awesome. Nothing is right or wrong here. It's kind of sad someone would spend so much time trying to debunk something rather than spending the time trying to prove something..

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Jacq
3/6/2015 01:45:32 pm

Why do we have to argue over people beliefs?
You mean that you don't know, Jeremy.
You must pay attention if you want to live. That simple.
Examples to enlighten your thoughts:
1- In WW2, 6 millions Jews died, many in gas oven, because one single bad guy propagated too successfully his very wrong beliefs.
2- In the 1950, 30 millions Russian people died due to the severity of Stalin.
3- In the 1500s, 15 millions people died following the conquest of Mexico by the conquistadors while they were there to propagate their faith.
4- How many Muslims died for only the beliefs that the successor of Mohamed must be elected or must be in his family.
5- More millions dead people that I can list this month.
Yes, as you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. As long as he is not using this opinion to shoot you, me or half the population of the country.
So, Jeremy, for the safety of billions of people, not everybody must be allowed to use his beliefs to kill me, you or one single person based on his beliefs.

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GE Steiger link
1/16/2015 07:59:31 pm

What are the all the physcial drwainings of what appear to be ancient travelers on this planet? Is it not evident that the idea came to different people planet wide from somewhere? How can we explain ancient maps that dipict with accuracy, our planet from a high altitude view? What about Biblical accounts, eye witness accounts? You have a narrow view and could use some speculation in your life. Boring! Listen If it looks like a duck, smellslike a duck, and quacks like a duck intuition tellsus it's a duck. get over it please. I suppose your a Jesus believer or better put, The creation Story that was 6 magical days of science huh? I've seen and heard enough to believe this theory over any other that's being offered out there. Stick with horror or baseball, you've no place being the judge of this topic, but entiteled to an oinion of which I disagree.

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Chris
1/30/2015 12:49:03 am

Jason completely discredits himself with one simple line. When asked to explain the incredible ruins at Puma Punku, he responds: "What of Puma Punku? Its rocks were carved with metal chisels and moved with human power." There are two problems with just the first part of this response. First - the indigenous people of that area were just one step above nomadic. They had no written language or metal working abilities, so they had no metal tools or experience with using them. Second - For the sake of the argument however, let's say someone gave them metal tools. This brings up the second problem that Diurite stones are the second hardest material on earth, second only to Diamonds. Diurite stones have to be cut with diamond tools, metal hand tools do not work with Diurite.
If Jason had studied the topic to any degree he would know this and would not have made such an egregious error. He is clearly not informed to any substantial degree about the topics that he speaks so vehemently against.
This simple error on Jason's part show's that his motivations are personal and not scientific, and that he has an agenda that has nothing to do with logic, proof or science.

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Jin
4/24/2016 01:51:04 am

I don't think so. AAT/AAH/AAC. What the hell are you talking about?The idea that ancient astronauts actually existed is not taken seriously by academics, and has received little or no credible attention in peer reviewed studies. Ancient astronauts have been widely used as a "plot device" in science fiction. SERIOUSLY? LOL

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Terran Grey
1/30/2015 07:46:05 am

"No amount of scientific reasoning will change the minds of the true believers because they are immune to evidence. They cannot be reached, and there is no fact that will make them change their minds"

The exact same thing can be said about followers of any religion. Example: Why do christians celebrate jesus' birthday on december 25th if science has proven jesus was born in the summer?

Followers refuse to believe contrary because of faith, pure and simple. I am an AAT. Personally I'd rather believe in advanced beings posing as "gods" than to believe a benevolent ghost that burns his/her followers.

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Yvan
3/6/2015 02:54:34 pm

Oh Terran!
Can you really demote the ignorance of the religious people on one side and only promote the same level of ignorance on the other side by declaring that you are an AAT?
Nobody can be an AAT. It's just a TV show. It's not real. it just pretend to be more true that reality. The AAT guys do the show for money. And they know how to catch money with stories. Because I have to tell you that they don't know much about history.
Please read my other comment below.

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danger007
4/8/2015 06:47:22 am

Now you prove yourself to be a complete punk in front of everyone by saying that nobody can be an AAT. Visit these websites :
www.ancientastronautsociety.com

http://www.pdf-archive.com/2013/02/05/technology-of-the-gods-the-incredible-sciences-of-the-ancients-david-hatcher-childress/technology-of-the-gods-the-incredible-sciences-of-the-ancients-david-hatcher-childress.pdf

Elrond Hubbard
2/3/2015 02:47:43 pm

I'm watching Ancient Aliens right now, it's very intriguing, but I totally gotta go w Jason; no real supporting evidence.

That said, holy good Jesus you AAT people are something else. I had no idea there was a literal Noah's Ark's worth of people who defend AAT with utter seriousness. My head assplode.

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Chris
2/13/2015 04:41:29 am

To Elrond Hubbard and those who share his sentiment, if you really want to see some evidence that is concisely laid out and clearly articulated then I suggest you read Humanity: The Alien Project by Vincenzo J. Macrino. Macrino is a retired detective who approaches writing the book as if he were presenting evidence in a court room to a jury. He doesn't draw conclusions for you or bombard you with propaganda, he simply says here is the evidence, consider it for yourself. It is a must read for any AAT or anyone who wants to know what evidence there really is.
Understand also that it is not enough to be presented with the evidence, you have to have the courage to consider the evidence and let it change your world view.

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Undecided link
2/24/2015 04:44:03 am

I find this post offensive that I am not decided and I have been called scientifically illiterate. I am curious of this theory and am confused by the multitude of conflicting evidence.

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Yvan
3/6/2015 02:35:16 pm

Jason
The real thing you and me should be worried about is not about asking if Tsoukalos and the AATs whether they are ignorant, liars, or hypocrites.
They are just intelligent enough to play the game of money. All they do is to provoke people's thoughts enough to steer some crowd movements, then attract avid TV producers to spend some money on them, produce shit material that says just about anything non-sense but intriguing and attractive and voila, they make money.
Most of the AAT guys don't seriously believe what they wrote in their books (nobody ever said that what you find in books must be the truth. Right? And this comment includes Holy Book like the Bible too.

Most likely the AAT writer get together at the pub every Friday night and take a drink to laugh at us, the s... people who watch their TV (money game) series. Oh! I am their too. Actually I find it very funny to watch how crazy they are to come up with such creative (obviously false) solutions to mysterious situations.

Their crazy stuff that make me laugh the most is this story (and they bring it every time) is that those extra-terrestrial gods got so attracted by our terrestrial women that they could not resist (even Gods could not resist so these girls were nice) having sex with them and give birth to our present race.
Oh ya!. And what about those orangutangs, gorillas and chimps who's DNA is more than 99% identical to human DNA? Does that mean that the Gods had sex with all the apes and monkeys too?
And what about the common house fly? It has 75% of our DNA too.

Ok Jason. You said that the AAT guys don't need scientific know how to describe their stuff. But it does not mean that we have to accept replacing truth with stupidity either.

One last one. One of the AAT guy asked this most famous question?
Why there are twelve items in a dozen?
OK guy, there are twelve items in a dozen because dozen is a French word that means 12 something together, in a recognizable bunch. If dozen would have been translated in the Anglo-Saxon language, it would have become a "twelvezen". And then we would have known that when we have a twelvezen, then we have 12 things in a bunch.

Nobody needs an excuse to be stupid. But the guy makes money. We have to respect his ignorance.

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Steve
3/7/2015 01:45:33 am

Well Yvan, if they’re just out to make money they have a long way to go until they catch up with religion. If you were to compile all the net income from all the churches on the planet and compare it to the Ancient Alien series the score would be trillions to 1. Also, the AAT’s didn’t come up with the story of angels mating with humans. They’re just trying to get people with low IQ’s (like you) to try and look at what was written thousands of years ago from a different perspective.

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Yvan
3/7/2015 09:32:36 am

Oh Steve!
You have to be careful here.
About the Churches being $1,000,000,000,000 ahead of the AAT guys, I have to agree with you that they are way ahead. More more that that. Religions started the business of collecting money more than 4,000 years ago. The AAT guys surely don't expect to make that much money anyway. They are not competing against the total religions history, they are competing against religion today.

About the angels mating with people, I know that it is ancient story. More ancient than the AAT guys.

About the IQ thing, I have to let you know that angels are spiritual beings (meaning not material you know) and that means that they can't be considered extra-terrestrials since they are not even in our material universe. So tell me, Steve, if you think that knowledge is a question of IQ for you, then do you think that the angels had sex with the monkeys and the apes too? Because I can show you real proofs (real modern documents made by real scientists) that ape's DNA is almost identical to human DNA. So were are those angels so we can compare real stuff here, and not just believe in old stories.

And if my IQ is so low, it does not matter. Yours is below anyway when you believe that 5000 years old stories are better proofs that DNA analysis.

Hey Steve! Do you know that trees have DNA chains that are 3 times longer than human DNA? I wonder with what kind of angels they have mated with. Do you know?

Watch out for IQ values. You may be surprised.

Steve S
3/7/2015 02:53:46 pm

Love it! Another religious person that doesn't even believe their own bull. Angels are spiritual so they aren't material. and how do you know this? So you says non material beings are not extra terrestrial. Why? Terrestrial means of the Planet Earth to us. Extra Terrestrial would make one not from the Planet Earth. So logic would tell us that either a material or non-material being not from this planet would be Extra Terrestrial. I do believe that there are both types of beings. But we all should leaves are minds open to whatever truth reveals itself. For any human with our very limited knowledge of what is outside of this prison planet we reside on, to make claim with definitive language that we know what exists and what doesn't really makes you sound small and limited in your thinking.

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Yvan
3/8/2015 04:59:31 am

AH Steve!
It's incredible how you can get it all wrong.
Now open your mind. For you I will go very basic.

First, I am not at all a religious person. 0% religious.
I believe in God, in angels and in after life (actually it's not really after life since the soul does not die, it is only end of life in the material world).

Second, angles are souls. And souls are not material. Souls are spiritual beings. And spiritual beings don't need the Planet Earth, nor the sun, nor any stars, anything material what so ever, to exist in the spiritual world. Therefore how can angels, or non-material beings, be considered "extra terrestrial" when you must know the simple fact that they don't have an Earth in the spiritual world. To call them "extra-terrestrial" or non-extra-terrestrial" is totally irrelevant. It has no meaning. We live in a material Universe. They exist in a spiritual Universe.

Third, my mind is extremely wide opened (not at all closed like you say). I listen to what Religious people said. I listen to what AAT people say (yes Steve, I watch the TV series every week and even record every episode for my own references because sometime they show interesting archeological sites).

So now Steve comes the time where you have to see this with your opened mind (since you believe you have one). Religious people say "Man can't possibly have done this, so God has done it". AAT people say "Man can't possibly have done this, so extra-terrestrial people have done it". And because Man was very impressed by their beyond our comprehension skills, then what else can they be other than gods?

This, Steve, is the trace of very limited minds. But we, humans, don't have a limited mind (our physical body has some limited capacity but not our mind, since it is spiritual). But unfortunately we accept too easily to let other people impose on us some limits, so they can control us better, an collect some money in the process.

So where is the difference between religions and AAT? Do you see it?

Steve, you should read what i wrote to Jason (just a few comments above) about DNA. That should have given you a hint about my "religious" thinking.

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Jamie
3/8/2015 09:32:26 am

Yvan
You need to get over yourself you are trying to debunk a belief that some people have AAT whilt having your own belief in a "spiritual mind" and even have the cheek to tell Steve to "open his mind" yet you appear very closed. Let's be honest the theorist will appreciate getting money along with the rest or human civilisation but it doesn't make there ideas less relevant than your idea. Hypocritical to moan that someone called angles ET's when you "believe" them to be spiritual beings. Let's be honest no proof either way probably because they are not real (just a thought). The DNA stuff is great especially the part where we are close to a fly yet this was where you lost me and ruined it if we have DNA close to a fly (75%) and we arent perfectly ape then something could have had an effect between us and the apes just a thought but either way we as a society need to look at science and believe more in our own individual lives the immortal spirit is just humanities big egotistical way of not accepting that when you die the electronic patterns (proven) in your brain stop and your just a dead because that's all that is truly closest to fact.

Sonja
3/8/2015 07:29:05 pm

You go Yvan!!!

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Sam
3/25/2015 12:38:31 pm

AAT is interesting. Some of it really is great to watch and even stretch the imagination.

I don't know if it's 100% true I also don't know if God/Christ is 100% true also know that science isn't always 100% either people are fallible in all areas and will do what ever they can to prove their theory or testing.

I do consider this there are thousands of UFO sightings by legitimate people and also thousands of abduction reports i'm sure not all are liars.
And there are also thousands who speak to god i'm sure they aren't all liars.

I don't have the answer but it's not bad to think outside the box it's the only way we can really go forward.

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Yvan
4/7/2015 02:33:51 am

Sam. If you don't know of which side the reality is, I recommend that you go to Youtube and look for "Ancient Aliens Debunked".

They have a 3 hour movie and also a series smaller videos broken down by subjects. Its the proof you're looking for and will show you how the AAT is pure fantasy, and total lies. Have fun.

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Steve
4/7/2015 02:25:45 pm

"Ancient Aliens Debunked" does nothing more than restate the century old beliefs of how man created the monoliths. They don't prove anything. If they want to prove it then gather as many men as you can, give them all copper chisels and ropes and build us another Puma Punku.

Stephen
3/31/2015 05:27:26 am

Thank you Jason for your website. You have labelled it correctly. In the end, after the discussions have been made, the scientific and historic evidence unpackaged ... and the desire for people to STILL have allegiance to this alien theory is ... well, it's damn foolish. Embarrassingly foolish. In fact, I feel sorry for them that they are so misguided.

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danger007
4/8/2015 06:55:33 am

Much of the talks about the 'Chariots of the Gods'
Read 'Technology of the Gods' and post again.

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scott
4/15/2015 03:01:57 am

Geeze people the problem here is some of you are just spiritually blind if you turn off the TV and get off the Internet and leave behind all the brain washing rhetoric from articles like this and TV shows and scientific non sense (which by the way science is constantly disproving it's previously accepted theories.. it's just today's version of organised religion and will one day be irrelevant.) you would be able to listen to your inner voice which will tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth by listening to others opinions your drowning out that inner truth I've known since I was a child what the deal was and was born with the innate ability to cut through the bullshit so we're all of you!! Think about it. Peace!

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rocky
4/24/2015 05:28:13 pm

your all crazy

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Barney
8/19/2016 02:32:12 pm

Is "your" like "you're"?

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francesco
4/25/2015 08:08:23 pm

I read a number of your post, Mr. Jason, because I have a tendency of looking at both sides of an argument before judging facts from fictions and possibilities. Despite your dedication, your platform reasoning and backup evidences have so many flaws that even I can come up with a refute within 3 seconds for each point. It is just not logical, sadly. Also, some parts of the AA series are questionable, but still more probable in comparison with yours.

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Tom
6/3/2015 12:18:05 pm

Which flaws? If you don't point it out I might just as well believe you just because you say so...and I won't.
Everything you said against his "number of flaws" (a general statement within the community of the ignorant masses) is by definition a demagogic argument which has ZERO value.
I'm sure you haven't disproven anything exactly because you can't. I study history and I can confirm that the AA believers do in fact fabricate evidence or at the very least they chose to speak about it completely out of context.
Jason's reasoning is sound. It is in fact how scientists work.

What is more probable than Jason's? What's that "some of it" ? He stated the obvious and he presented how scientists work. Nothing what he said can be disproven,because it si demonstrably true.
That's pretty weak sauce... Sour grapes comes to mind

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The GRIM!
5/22/2015 09:38:23 pm

Jason is the bomb! He refutes everything and the simpletons that support the dumb AA can't take it!

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Clifford ingram
6/12/2015 10:01:42 am

I guess my last comment was lost in cyberspace. Our bible plainly states we were placed here. Plainly states there were angels among men . Plainly states we are in this world but not of this world. However ancient man laid on his back looking at the stars knowing deep inside that was where he came from he developed how to scale those dimensions. He developed an understanding of mathematics. He developed an an understanding of physics. We have lost what ancient man figured out due to our own development in technology. All we need and long for in the answers we seek is hidden in the night sky. Every bit of knowledge we have comes from above. God is not an alien...we are created in his image with his mind...we may be alien to where we are...but none of us are alien to our creator

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cifford ingram
6/12/2015 10:49:19 am

I have no doubts in our God. Everything I know and everything I see comes from somewhere beyond my compresion. If there may be extratrrestial life...it was created by my God. I have no doubts He exists and don't really understand how anyone else doesn't. Let trouble or disaster come....the very first words out of their mouths is Oh God orMy God...yeah every time. My God is all knowing all powerful master of all things that can befall humans. We are his greatest creation and He gave us the greatest gift in all the universe...our mind. There is no greater force in the universe than the human mind. I am an electrician 30 yrs + I know everything man knows is electrical in nature..whether by charge or force. Positive or Negative. Our brain is mass of jelly transmitting signals nonstop. No one can explain how. How do we feel . How do we know when our heart is broken by a lover How do we know anything !

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George Abinader
6/19/2015 01:01:55 pm

This author is correct in many things but I am a strong believer that when you insert subjective opinions into your argument it becomes less than reputable. That being said, ancient astronaut theorist (aat) is a made up title. It does not require any kind of degree or certification or any formal education. A large portion of the arguments on this show are speculation and anyone can say these things and be on TV. This is a show and it is meant to be entertainment. It is not actual science and just the name ancient astronaut theorist should mark that to most, since in science a theory is something that has been tested and (until proven otherwise) is regarded as fact by scientists (theory of gravity, theory of electricity). This ancient astronaut idea is not a theory in the scientific definition of the word. It is only meant to trick people into thinking it is legit scientific fact. I think it should be a crime to run this show without a lengthy narrated disclaimer before the show and after the commercial breaks stating that these are only hypotheses presented by people not associated with the scientific community. It is a real shame that shows such as this shape public opinion.

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Jamie
6/19/2015 08:43:16 pm

It feels that you are confusing scientific theory with theory on the broader sense. Part of the definition of theory states that it is a system of ideas intended to explain something. It is borderline opinion and belief. They rarely appear to use science as a foothold in there explanations they just ask questions and support it with an alternative opinion. There are some beautiful and extraordinary places out there that can't be fully explained and the aat theory is an option for people. I find the show entertaining and don't see why you think the show needs a "disclaimer" shall we put disclaimers everywhere like outside churches or mosques, maybe even soap operas to say they are not real. People get worked up about the AAT either for religious or science standings but at the end there's no debunking an idea, belief or a theory. I feel that people need to stop looking back and living through religious texts and look forward.

Mike Gaensslen
3/18/2016 01:29:12 pm

".. I see comes from somewhere beyond my compression."
Do you see the problem? God has "compressed" your brain a little too tight. Your "God" lives within you as your consciousness and is not something that constantly watches over you from the outside! It watches you for yourself and from within you and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it! If you screw around with your consciousness (praying) you will suffer! As simple, as that! God is something totally different then the brainwash we have been taught since childhood and for Millennia. God does not need a "Bible", a Church, and constant Attention". If you live your life right you live within "God's" boundaries. If you do wrong, you will pay for it and if you live right, you will be rewarded. There is nothing watching over you, or anyone else! As simple, as that, again!
Why do stupid brains always have to complicate things?

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Ryan
6/27/2015 05:03:10 am

Your argument makes no sense and is completely irrational. Talk about making things up?! Where/what are YOUR hard facts that disprove the AA theory? All you basically said in your argument was that AAT are making things up. That's the argument of an eight year old kid.

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Ryan
6/27/2015 05:27:27 am

What you describe in this article is basically a maladaptive desperate way of coping with the psychological dissonance that AAT creates in your feeble mind. Ironically YOU don't know how to argue or debate about the theory in a real scientific way so you suggest that others who share in your desperation, simply ignore or pretend as if the ideas should not be even taken seriously, and therefore don't deserve a real response. This is an obvious defense mechanism for defending YOUR irrational belief in an argument you don't know how to approach or win. Its like an alcoholic in denial. When one of your friends tries to tell you you have a problem you simple discredit them by responding as if the notion that you might have a problem is so ridiculous it does not even deserve a real response. This may be effective at keeping your delusion intact but is totally irrational and borderline psychotic.

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Chazz
7/3/2015 08:00:43 am

Awesome article Jason!

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steve evans link
7/22/2015 01:33:24 pm

Hello, I have been trying to get this photo out, with study of it without any controversy. Not so easy to get someone to look at it with some person's knowledge, of what it can do to the history of who we are, so I have been looking for someone who can understand what I have, to change, what is a history changing photo. Please help me in finding someone who wants to change history as we know it. I hope I didn't scare you away from the truth, that you don't know yet. Steve

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An Ancient Alien
7/28/2015 04:02:58 am

It pains me to read this blog post, which to me simply seeks to demonstrate the differences between approaching unhindered belief in an idea versus rational analysis, and then read JUST the first ten comments. I ...I can't. It hurts.

It pains me in my squishy skull thing

Thoroughly enjoyed the blog, though. The 'humanities' approach you laid out works quite well in many other areas- but it is far more amusing in an ancient aliens discussion.

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A More Ancient Alien
7/28/2015 04:10:36 am

Or the ones above this. I guess our minds are just too 'feeble'.
>YOU don't know how to argue or debate about the theory in a real scientific way
I believe almost the entire global scientific community would be on one side of this debate

-Xannu of the Zxrul Galaxy

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Jay
7/30/2015 08:48:47 pm

You are trying to say something but I dont understnad what you intended to say. You say that Ancient Aliens series say nonsens without any scientific base? Kindly come with proof.

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Dave
7/31/2015 08:56:17 am

The posts to this particular blog prove there is NO way to engage in a constructive, scientific debate with a believer of Ancient Aliens. That should be the definition of futility.

There appears to be NO amount of scientific or archeological evidence that will make them reconsider the "Ancient Aliens Theory" as being a valid explanation for anything they consider "mysterious."

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Jay
7/31/2015 03:23:51 pm

All are wise are in their own eyes, so they feel whatever they know is ultimate and true. Each mindset is different . Those who support ancient aliens, and deny them are true in their own idea. I dont think I am a blind believer or a person without scientific knowledge. What I think is AA s are true, they visited with us, they mixed DNA and we are indebted to them. I have spend 17 years in theological studies as well and I 100% support AA s

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Thomas Smith
8/16/2015 05:34:18 am

This was very difficult to read man. One paragraph one idea, and don't repeat ideas in separate paragraphs frequently. No offense, but as a writer I'd recommend you take course or consult fellow writers. This was tough to read, but you have potential to be alot better.

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James
8/16/2015 06:41:46 am

Are you sure you're a writer? I hope you're not a teacher as well.

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Dave
8/20/2015 03:27:57 am

Those who cannot do, teach, so I think he's a teacher.

Domonic
9/7/2015 10:55:06 am

I like how science is all about evidence and their beliefs of mankind is evolution witch has no proof because it is only a theory. Truth is science can't explain how mankind came about. I guess it is up to our ancient ancestors to explain, and nearly every ancient society believes their "Gods," their "creators," came from the heavens. There is a pattern going on with ancient societies and no one can tell us better than our ancestors.

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Dave
9/9/2015 08:42:29 am

There are far too many creation myths to see any pattern leading to a viable conclusion in the AA Theory, or for any god creator for that matter. If you want to use these myths from ancient peoples to live your life, that's fine, however you're only proving the point of this article.

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jack
10/1/2015 04:46:46 pm

Same can be said for you and your beliefs.

Dave
10/2/2015 07:38:22 am

You neither know me nor what I believe, so you have no foundation to make such a claim.

L Bow
9/8/2015 08:28:55 pm

I think Jason just wants to claim that he's somehow solved all these ancient mysteries, seeing his failed attempt as an archaeologist.

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Jack
10/1/2015 10:52:39 am

AAT has evidence. The Egyptian Pharaoh Akenaten was said to have descended from the sky and have an elongated cranium. He resembled what we today know as the grey aliens. He also took the name of the Sun God Aten. Was he the actual God (alien) Aten come to Earth to rule over Egypt?

One thing you should know is that half of all European males share DNA with Akenaten. So the 50% of male Euro descent are actually part alien (God).

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Jason
11/10/2015 11:28:39 am

Lol wow who let you off the space ship. His head was elongated due to head wrapping

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time tempest link
4/23/2017 04:19:10 pm

You must be unaware of the ones that clearly aren not homo sapiens sapiens...eg the oldest skulls from the Malta & Cuzco skull pits have no Sagittal suture & have a larger cranial capacity to human ones so arent the result of binding or boarding or wrapping

Entertained
11/2/2015 10:10:08 am

Wow. The spelling, the inability to read closely or think critically ... these comments are pure comedy gold. I have paid good money for less absurdity.

It's clear that at least a few of these comments are jokes. For the sake of my species, I hope they all are. But I know that's not true, so keep killing these sacred cows, Mr. Colavito.

"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

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Mike Gaensslen
3/18/2016 01:09:07 pm

You certainly are no Thomas Jefferson either. Why can't you just admit that there are some less and some better educated people in this world. But we are all people and have all the same rights. If you don't like the comments and the spelling, why don't you just not read them?
If you comment on the ideology of the comments, that is a different story but without belittling please!

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Jason
11/10/2015 11:23:36 am

Jason I think your right on target and I couldn't agree more. The biggest problem with AATs is they are not grounded not even in their own theories. They will always end with a ? that way when ever challenged or proven wrong they will simply reply " I'm just asking a question." Left unchallenged they are complete idiots.

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m
3/18/2016 01:04:35 pm

I am sure happy you found yourself!

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Jez
11/18/2015 06:43:55 pm

AAT is not science fact but truth be known mainstream science cannot prove it to be totally wrong, personally i think it is a theory worth consideration, don't forget history is wrote by the powers that be , and if you truly believe that these powers don't manipulate the truth your sadly wrong and definitely misinformed, look people what's the harm in looking at it with an open mind carry on digging for the most plausible explanation, something's I see on AA seem far fetched but some of it sounds very reasonable, like people who totally deny anything to do with AAT can be true, some people don't believe our governments would ever tell us lies, c,mon get real

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Sean
1/11/2016 07:35:28 pm

Right there with ya

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This is a dumb article link
12/2/2015 04:43:36 am

this is by far the dumbest article i have ever read on the internet

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Gem
1/11/2016 01:48:56 am

All of this and I still believe....... No one knows everything. I did enjoy the most of the debate. Thanks everyone !

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Sean
1/11/2016 07:33:07 pm

I am 17 and I consider myself a AAT, it makes sense and there's factual evidence to back it up the ancient drew, wrote, and depicted what they saw and who guided them. Its funny though how "Scientist" try to not include the truth about what they ancients have provided us with. Science isn't always the way sometimes u have to look at things on a way that is factual.

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Jin
4/24/2016 01:55:15 am

Sean, you're a 17 year old AAT/AAH/AAC? LOL!!! I hope the Aliens help you out if we ever lose our technology. The idea that ancient astronauts actually existed is not taken seriously by academics, and has received little or no credible attention in peer reviewed studies. Ancient astronauts have been widely used as a "plot device" in science fiction.

People on here are so ignorant. lol

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sking
1/26/2016 06:53:00 am

Not a convincing article at all. Far from it.

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Mike Gaensslen
3/18/2016 12:55:12 pm

You are right, because it is based on religion, one of the brainwash applied sciences of today!

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Mike Gaensslen
3/15/2016 04:22:17 pm

Here I am just taking one of your paragraphs and contradict your claims:
Now, AATs have a problem: Claim 3 cannot be correct since another “ancient text” offers a different view. Claim 2 is now contradicted as well by a plain reading of the text under the assumptions the AATs themselves agreed upon. If the AATs wish to keep their theory intact, they need to choose one of two paths: recant their belief that ancient texts are literally true (impossible) or admit stated claims are wrong and accept against facts that aliens built the ziggurat, which can demonstrably be shown to be the work of human beings. To be fair, we have not proved Claim 1 is wrong. But here we can apply scientific evidence, and not just as decoration. Is there any scientific evidence for extraterrestrial artifacts in Babylon? Of course not; and

now the evidence is all the more convincing because it comes on the AATs’ own terms.

Why would the Ancient people have lied in their texts (on the Clay Tablets for instance)? When they wrote them they were not sure if ever anyone would decipher them and understand them. Your statement of (impossible) is conceded as hell.
Certainly, the Ziggurats worldwide were build by human beings!
The Gods (god) created us in their image. So, they were built by Human Beings. Even though I do not completely agree with the Bible but that is what it says there.
Give it time to find scientific evidence of extraterrestrial artifacts. Most of the extraterrestrial activities were pre-flood and got buried quite deep, or probably washed under water in the oceans. It might also be that they didn't want any evidence left behind. Who knows? There are a few things we found that are quite unexplainable, like these flywheels they found in Egypt. Do you know what they are and where for? Nobody else does!
I suppose you believe in God and the Bible also but you do not believe in Free Energy, or its availability today? Science is not all it is made out to be but, for sure, is being used to brainwash the public. If you believe in Science, you also believe in the Easter Bunny!
Besides, if you believe in God like presented to us than you can add Santa Claus to it too.
God is our conscious and everything that there is. The laws of Nature have been determined at the "Creation" and are unshakable. Science is always trying to force Nature into something it does not do and is not designed to do. Thus, all the troubles we have in this world. Humankind is trying to force Nature into submission and will pay for it dearly in the not too distant future. Nature takes care of itself, always. It certainly will take care of our callousness.
Now, you give me a "scientific" explanation for all this! But in general, you are right; you just got it backwards!
Oh, yes, I am not "educated" and worked with a hammer and nails all my life! Give us suckers some rope, we might just be the ones who are right and not you! We both are just guessing.

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Mike Gaensslen
3/15/2016 04:32:19 pm

I forgot! Why are you all trying so hard to prove us AAT's wrong? Is there any danger in believing in Ancient Astronauts?
I must correct that: knowing there where Ancient Astronauts. The word "belief" and "God" both translate into "I don't know" and should be banned. We either know, or don't know! As wishy washy today's society is, they retained the word "belief" and use it heavily! And let's not even talk about "God".

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matthew
3/23/2016 05:59:00 am

The intellectual tools you are grasping at are like mysterious talismans in your mind, once dangled in front of your face by other sad people who don't know what to do with all this emptiness except classify until all the contradictions force them to devise a new set of terms for a new generation

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michael gaensslen
3/23/2016 08:47:10 am

Matthew, typical for you "university educated dipsticks", you just have to counter with "intellectual tools", "mysterious talismans", and so on. You just cannot replying just simple "workman's" language anyone can understand, can you? Maybe your "educated" ways have clogged your brain and make it impossible to see something more logical and interesting than "science". As I stated above, I have worked all my life ith hammers and nails and done REAL work, which makes me see things in a more colourful way and a more logical way, not polluted by "science". And, as I said, science is what got us into the troubles we are in now, as do the intellectuals of this world. Wars, killing, accidents (many not necessary), chemicals that kill us and nature, and do I need to go on? Don't tell me that your type s are the last word in this fake world of ours!
And just for your knowledge only, I came from an "intellectual" family in Europe. I just couldn't stand their conceitedness anymore and went oversees, fifty years ago. I have no contact with them and have forsaken any inheritances. I do not want to have anything to do with them anymore! Like you and most "intellectuals", they always want things their way and nobody else's way ("my way, or the highway"). AAT fits me just fine and I will defend it, as I see it! The day will come and you will have to admit to it too...

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gancot
4/9/2016 10:01:58 am

It always amazes me that there still are people (loosely) that still "believe" in "religion" and "god"! All these words translate into I DO NOT KNOW but I "believe". How gullible can one get? Just because some ass (translate Pope) says it is so, it is not so. You asses have been brainwashed for Millennia and don't even realize it! The Ancient Astronaut theory might look, sound, and feel like bunk but it explains all these mysteries of religion much better than anything else stupid man can come up with, even though it might be uncomfortable for most.
I do not proclaim to be a specialist at this , or any other subject, but I have a brain and a head on my shoulders (yet). Religion, give me a break!?

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Jin
4/24/2016 01:28:17 am

Good Article.

For Those arguing about AAT. It's a Theory meaning it's a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something. IN THIS CASE, In science, however, the meaning of theory is more rigorous. A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses." And, because there is way too much information missing from the start of time to our current existence on earth it makes these claims absurd. This theory is more of a formal OPINION that has substance/ theoretical justifications but NO PROVEN FACTS.

Sorry, not sorry. Jason nailed it with this article. Also Ancient Aliens TV show should be taken off of the History Channel and place of SYFY. Anyone that takes that show seriously should get their head checked.

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Matt
7/4/2016 11:29:25 am

:-( This is so sad. I just hope it is a vocal minority making these angry science-hating comments because if this represents the majority then we will never be worthy of joining those ancient aliens out in space. Science does not care whether the ancient alien thing is bollocks or not. Science cares about the truth (regardless of whether it is a painful truth or not).
The ancient alien theory is a lot of fun and I really used to enjoy imagining "what if" and allowing myself to suspend disbelief but the fun has been sucked out of it by people being so aggressive and downright nasty. If aliens "helped" us in the past then they clearly did an amazing job(!)
BTW Jason has actually been proved 100% correct by these comments - you can't win an argument against an AAT because they are under the impression that scientists are bad people who are hiding things from us and deliberately teaching us a false history.
Personally, I don't think Flat Earth Theory has been woven into the ancient alien theory enough yet. And lets get Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster involved in transporting the pyramid stones. After all, there's no scientific proof they didn't. Chuck Norris lifted the gold capstone into place on the Khufu pyramid!

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Rich Walker link
7/6/2016 11:46:11 am

A debunking that debunks nothing? Who do I go to and get my time back?

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Jake
7/10/2016 06:09:13 am

This article is a load of junk fueled by the mind of a quite biased party. For one to so easily refute the Ancient Astronaut Theory is no scientist at all.

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Lerina
7/19/2016 06:01:26 am

If you don't ask questions about the lies told by religions and goverments of the world and by people like you we wil remain stupid forever.

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TNA
7/21/2016 01:51:37 am

so why does every statement in this show always come as a question. why can't anyone make a definitive statement and stand on it. oh yeah, its all subjective bullshit. nothing stated has to actually be substantiated by anything approaching empirical truth, or am i being close minded and obtuse. you can't fight stupid

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Dave
7/28/2016 11:37:19 pm

Well folks, as an astronomer I know just how far away things are. How could the AAT think for one minute that aliens have visited this planet in the past or even in the future. Our sun is just an average star and is only 865,000 miles in diameter and from the VOYGER 1 SPACE CRAFT, ( which is now 20 billion miles from Earth) sent back pictures of our sun and it is just a little point of light. Jupiter is so small that you need a magnifying glass to see it. So how could any space traveller, if there are any, find our planet? Why would they want to land here in the first place. Earth is only a little over 7000 miles in diameter and from 20 billion miles away earth could not even be seen. AAT tries to tell you that aliens have landed here about 8000 years ago. Sure would like to know how they figure that one out. Earth in those days was a very quiet rock going around a yellow star and hidden in the hundreds of millions of other stars. I am sure finding Earth would be a very hard thing to do, just like trying to find a grain of sand painted red dropped on a beach 100 miles long. What would the chances be to find that red sand grain? Radio has been around now for about 100 years. Radio signals from earth is now reaching about 70 light years away from us. If alien space craft were actually out there, they may pick up our signals. S.E.T.I. if you know what that is, has been looking for alien radio signals now for many years and as of now heard nothing but background noise from deep space. SETI monitors thousands of frequencies and still nothing. Alien beings or other wise, could not live long enough to travel to other worlds even at the speed of light which is 186,262 miles per second. A light year is 5,877961691 to the twelfth miles. Even if there were a life form that lived say on a planet around a star say in the PLEADIES OPEN STAR CLUSTER, it would take 410 years at the speed of light to reach earth, think
they would still be alive, i'D BET YOU ON THAT.
AAT should think about trying to understand astronomy and the distances and the time it would take any alien lifeform to reach us right here. The AAT television show is just a way of using up an hour time. I am sure there are people gullible enough to believe anything they see or hear. FLYING SAUCERS---well that's another story.
Have fun everyone, go out side when the sky is clear at night and enjoy the stars.

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David
7/29/2016 01:36:34 pm

I believe we are children of these star people,who will show life amount stars. Think about it they have the answer to life eternally.

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Dave
7/30/2016 09:07:33 pm

Well David, I guess you are one of the gullible people I just mentioned.We are of this planet and not from some other place. Did you read the bit I put in about just how far things are? The only alien beeing that could survive the time travelled into deep space would be a robot, and they can:t produce anothe life form. Well maybe in your case they did.

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Steve
7/30/2016 10:53:08 pm

Well Dave, I think you might want to consider a new career. As an astronomer you should know that we are just now beginning to discover new planets that might be capable of supporting life. I think we all grasp the vast distances between these systems, but with technologies yet to be discovered and even the possibility of worm hole travel it might not be as far fetched as you propose.

Dave
7/30/2016 11:25:07 pm

Wel Steve I think my career is pretty safe. I know there is a lot of speculation on tv there days but you have to consider that a lot of it is just hyposis and it is very hard to comprehend to most people. Star Wars and other space programs are great to watch but don;t count on it realy happening. There would not be anyone happier than me to speak to an alien from another world. It may be probable in the far off future that humans may travel to distant worlds but that is not going to happen very soon. We have only travelled to the moon in our solar system and that took a few days. Again, we as humans will never reach planets out of our solar system. Don;t let STAR TREK influence you that we will travel at warp speeds. A planet the size of earth,so far, has not been discovered. Not only the size of the planet but the atmosphere is the next thing we have to find out if be can breath it. Water is also very important and not all planets have water on it.So Steve, maybe you will discover a way to travel at warp speed for all of us in the near future. Good luck.

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Steve
7/31/2016 09:41:02 am

Who said anything about Star Trek, Star Wars and warp speeds? I just find it odd to run across an astronomer that's not passionate about finding extraterrestrial life. I liken it to a preacher that's not passionate about God. Beam me up Scottie!

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Dave
7/31/2016 10:44:13 am

Well Steve don't you think that looking for a suitable planet to move to if we had to would be more of a priority than beeing passionate about finding an alien lifeform from some where else. The chances are that we will not find extraterrestrials. I know people, and you are probably one of them, think there are other life forms and there should be somewhere in this universe. No astronomer ever cancels out the possability there is. If we find extraterrestials that would be a bonus. As I said SETI has been listening for signals for many years now and has heard nothing but background noise. Of course that dosen;t mean there is no other lifeform out these..There two distint types of astronomers,optical observation and radio. It is the radio telescope astronomers that look for extraterrestial life and the optical astronomers that look for a livable planet. So Steve, as I said don't beleive everything you see and hear on the AAT tv show. We are humans and we are intelligent. Have a great day.

Winston
8/4/2016 10:55:03 am

I am neutral when watching AA... i really enjoy the mysteries, geographic and archaeology theories , and i google it if i hear something i'm curious about. Not that it is important but i would like to add that i have a background in Engineering. Just in case if people were wondering whether i have a B.S degree in flipping burgers.

I stumbled upon your page and always noticed your blog to be always at the top of ancient aliens, almost as if you are trying to rebut in a directly opposite manner to every single thing presented by AA. Just like Yin to the Yang, polarity... Almost as if you're trying to create and get more attention..of course you're building your brand name around the "Skeptic" scene... so i guess its only natural for you to be completely blind and ignorant in certain aspects.

My take on your post.

The AA program can be overly fantastical at times and doesn't present any hard found basis for its speculation. I guess old time documentaries cannot be aired in this day and age. The reason: Short attention span of 21st century humans. But also because of this program , that i began to do my own research and reading to understand more in depth.

I feel that you're also pretty close minded on certain aspects. You keep saying and using science as your bible..But i also feel that you're missing the bigger aspects of science that is every Law is subject to change , refinement and rejection based on new observations.. The AAT is just a theory, with many profound historical observations, myths, legends and facts that are simply dismissed because of status-quo , modern day , preconceived religious beliefs...etc.

Perhaps you shouldn't be using Science to judge this AAT, because it is more in the realm of pseudoscience.

"This is what truly separates a science from a ``pseudoscience'', such as extrasensory perception (ESP), astrology, unidentified flying objects (UFOs), pyramid power, etc.; one could in principle prove a particular scientific theory wrong, such as Newton's 2nd law of motion (and indeed it is wrong in certain cases), but one can never prove that your daily horoscope chart was wrong." -uwinnipeg.ca

Science is still very young compared to the history of the Earth, it has not even come close to understanding the Grand design or truth, far from it. You can explain certain things on Earth, but you still can't explain many things.

Actually i believe people like you have existed all along to , they're the ones that existed in the scientific community to condemn people like Kepler or Copernicus. They all sounded crazy at first. The preconceive notion of religious beliefs and common sense might actually be stopping you from further progress even in the field of science.

I take some of the speculations on AA with a pinch of salt, but because of AA, i recently stumbled upon Erik poltorak's presentation on Youtube , he presented pretty compelling evidence, sadly he has passed away. I do recount that you also wrote in one of your articles that seem to insinuate something negative about his background just because he opens a lingerie e-shop. He was a pretty Big Skeptic in the beginning as well... but went in search of the truth...



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jdk
8/5/2016 11:01:54 pm

I read your blog Winston and it is good. Just wondered if you directed your comments to anyone in particular.

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Ned
8/19/2016 02:13:26 pm

You must all lick the sweaty balls of the Annunaki and eat their poo poo NOW.

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Barney
8/19/2016 02:22:21 pm

Jason sounds like a little boy who had a dream of getting it in the butt from Giorgio, but alas, Giorgio said no. This made little Jason mad so he is now on a jihad against him. I think that Jason also likes to spend his days dreaming about gargling Donald J Trump's saggy balls in his throat while getting nailed in the butt by Erik von Daniken. Poor little Jason....

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Jason's Boyfriend
8/19/2016 02:43:10 pm

Stop it now. Jason does NOT dream about such things. Well, maybe he does, but he would NEVER do that sort of thing with anyone but ME. I can say with 100% confidence that my balls are the only balls that ever drop down his throat. Ok, sometimes I hire a hooker or two who get to nail him in his sloppy butthole, but only after church or a 3 day rave party. Gotta run now....he's calling me to the bedroom to take a dump on his face now. Ciao!

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JIM LING
8/26/2016 12:27:32 pm

i find this program redundant in that the bible tells the story if its read right it tells how a traveler from other worlds a scientest came this part of the universe and created another planet and groups of planets this person we call God was a scientist who created us in his image as we now are doing ourselfs in clones and other things but he made us small gods !!!and if we would of fallowed his laws we to by now would be as him but its our nature al these other beliefs came after that some real and some conjuer by the human mind but if these guys studied the bible they could stop seaching for answers cause everyone of them is in the bible from giants to mermaids to creatures big and small and al the gifts given to man by this scientist we call God !!!BUT THE BIBLE IS THE ONLY AND OLDEST STORY OF MAN!!!but the future is ours and i love seeing al this history that has happened before and after the flood !!!i only wish i could talk to these people to share the things i know to be true !!!

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Christopher A Kastronis
9/24/2016 10:27:08 am

You baffle me. You spent the entire first half of your writing saying nothing really except every 3 or 4 sentencing saying the ancient alien theory is wrong. Then you do something even more puzzling. You claim the AATs use text to back the theory of the pyramids building then go on to dispute that claim by saying it cant be true because this other texts suggests something different from what AATs suggest. Your doing exactly what AATs do you moron. So its just your opinion and youre using the same methods as AATs to show your point however you say that using texts in this way is insufficient. See how dumb you look? Prolly a bible thumper thats brain washed and will never accept the fact that things may have occurred differently then what you think. A lot of stuff the AATs suggest may be wrong it may not. Who fucking knows? People at one time though the world was flat and it was outlandish to think it was round. Nothing learned is set in stone. Math science physics???? The exploration of dark matter could throw everything we thought about those three subjects out of the window once more is learned. Im not saying it will but it could. So please dont tell me AAT is wrong because you dont know and nobody does. Its just ideas that make you think. And if you think eveything we know about history is set in stone and exact then youre even more of a lost cause and blinded by whatever motive you have. Stop being a simple narrow minded individual that falls in line with brainwashed conformity. Use your little brain and reread what you wrote because you show nothing compelling to dispute the AAT. Keep in mind i realize a lot of facts are twisted for tv to make things more believable and compelling. But there are many things that are indisputeable and physically puzzling when it comes to our history and what took place. Id debate with you for hours about this and i guarantee you would lose because all i need to say is how do you know for sure? Because nobody ever knows for sure about this topic.

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Austin
2/12/2017 09:49:03 pm

While I believe in a greater power, I do not deem the "all-mighty-all-powerful-omnipotent-bearded man in the clouds" to be an explanation for our creation. For myself, I find it much easier to accept the possibility that we are instead, here as a direct result from a highly advanced civilization from somewhere that isn't here (whether they be extraterrestrials or inter-dimensional beings).

With that being said, I do not know the truth. It could be "God", and it could be "aliens". But whatever the reason, I still have faith in my spirituality and continue to pray to the cause of us, and consciously choose to believe that someone or something out there is listening.

I agree with a lot of the Ancient Alien Theory and have read some of Erich Von Danikens works and I draw my own conclusions. But there is also a lot I do not agree with, especially when there is irrefutable proof, or circumstantial evidence supporting the invalidity of the AAT's "findings".

If you are a hardcore AAT, I urge you to watch this documentary and keep an open mind while doing so. And please, don't believe everything you read or hear or see. And don't take anything at face value.

Investigate, research and most importantly: believe in the facts.

Thank you.

https://youtu.be/j9w-i5oZqaQ

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Ray Janko link
3/6/2017 03:50:09 am

The problem most academics are having in these days of instant information from every corner of the Earth is that what used to take literally years to make it to study and scrutiny, takes minutes now. The education that families and student loans paid for and took years of time to earn and eventually acquire degrees stating qualifications is crumbling before our very eyes. AND, it is impossible for anyone with a degree to wander off in a different direction because it would destroy their standings within their peer groups. So all these academics have no choice but to tow the line and attempt to pass off anything different than what they were taught as bunk. Many people are finding that everything they studied and worked very hard for is beginning to look old and off base. I can't blame people like Jason Colavito for standing up for what he worked so hard to achieve and then finding holes all over the place in its integrity. What is worse for everyone that is trying very hard to protect that outdated information is that by fighting Ancient Aliens Theory gets in the way of real progress. Eventually the academia will crumble and they will have no choice but to give way to what is beginning to look far more real than all the other old BS taught in the classrooms around the World. There is room for both points of view, but first there is one side that has to realize that they aren't making as much sense as they once did. AND, they are loosing reputations and integrity and (for lack of better wording) looking stupid by being stubborn and not accepting that others are easily blowing holes in much of what they still tout. Time to wake up and smell the future Jason.

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tim tempest link
4/23/2017 04:16:44 pm

Mr.Colavito,you talk a lot but you are saying nothing.Clearly ancient texts & legends speak of flying machines,whether its Irish documents like the magic stone of Tara or Assyrian stuff,like the Hebrew...or Chinese,Japanese..they all speak of another race (& even of aircraft that can go into space)..but you think you know better..? It wouldnt be hard to crush you any argument..

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lsume link
6/5/2017 01:01:18 pm

I'm a mechanical engineer who graduated in the spring of 1982 from LSU. There are very few people who even know what mechanical engineering is. If you do a Google search for the hardest degree to get as an undergraduate, you should see mechanical engineering come up as number 1. The word mechanics in the Physics sense is related to force reactions, heat transfer, fluid dynamics, kinematics, thermodynamics etc. many civil engineers started out trying to become mechanical engineers. The starting salary difference is significant. I had a guaranteed entry into LSU's medical school provided that I graduate with an ME degree. My wife had enough of my schooling so I turned down the opportunity. Ive stayed fairly current in modern physics over the years subscribing to magazines like Scientific American and the bimonthly MIT Review. The Ancient astronaut tv program is right up there with the most ridiculous programs I've ever watched. In that program, everything is explained in terms of ancient astronauts. If you are at all familiar with Watson and Crick and their shared Noble Prize for discovering the double stranded nature of DNA, you might be interested in Watson's book. As I recall, sometime around 1970, James Watson said that the probability of a hurricane blowing through would assemble a jumbo jet before human evolution could take place. You should be able to find this with a little effort on google.

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6/20/2017 07:43:16 pm

Your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance..
Why anyone even listens to you is beyond me..
You say that if people were scientifically literate they would of rejected the ETH-what a lot of nonsense

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7/14/2017 06:29:52 pm

A lot of the AA ideas start with a seed of scientific fact, but then propose a hypothesis, and instead of testing the hypothesis, just accept it as fact. Two ideas they repeatedly use that are based on likely facts are: 1 Intelligent life may have evolved elsewhere in the universe.....It's a big universe that's existed for billions of years, so it's likely that intelligent life, propably life even more intelligent than we apes, does exist elsewhere. The problem is that it would be difficult for that intelligent life to find us....and even if they did, they would likely be too far away to ever be able to visit our planet. Interstellar travel or intergalactic travel is probably not possible for biologiic life forms.
2. If you accept the idea that alens might find us, they would not look like us since evolution is based on trillionis of accidental mutations occuring is a precise order.....the odds of those mutations occuring identically on two different planets is virtually impossible. The only species on our planet that look like homonids have evolved recently and are closely related to us......and natural selection is very closely tied to the history of changes that have occured on a planet. Changing one event in a planets history will cause very different organisms to evolve.....the reason why mammals got a chance to diversify was due to the extinction of the dinosaurs....and that happend probably because of the eart being struck by a meteor 65 million years ago.
As for the possibility that life itself may have started on another planet and the earth was seeded, I don't see that as impossible.....IF we do discover life elsewhere in our solar system, it will be interesting to see if it is DNA based. Since we only have life on one planet to study, and all of it is based
is based on DNA, we need a bigger set of examples to base any conclusions on. BUT that life will probably be bacterial....and look nothing like our species.

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7/14/2017 06:41:08 pm

I wish that I had read what I posted above before submitting it since there are plenty of spelling mistakes and a few phrases left out in some sentences......but I think my arguments are understandable to most believers in science.
The paragraph from your initial essay that I like best is the second one. All the discussion in the world is unlikely to change the mind of a true believer! As you wrote "The ancient astronaut theory is not science, and it does not believe in science in any real sense. Despite the lip service it pays to science, the theory uses scientific evidence only as decoration for a philosophy—an ideology—that is essentially a product of the humanities. No amount of scientific reasoning will change the minds of the true believers because they are immune to evidence. They cannot be reached, and there is no fact that will make them change their minds. Scientists and the science-literate, on the other hand, need no convincing to realize that the ancient astronaut theory contains no evidence and withstands no scrutiny. Skeptics do not need to preach to that choir because no persuasion is necessary."

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1/19/2018 09:18:45 pm

I found the Debunking Documentary to be great viewing. The only "theories" that Von Daniken and his asshat cronies talk about spread misinformation if not outright bold face lies.How can Tseukelos, Childress, Wilcox and others sit infront of a camera on the show and not laugh at the drivel they come up with is beyond me.They make our ancestors look like idiots...peoples who weren't able to come up with "fictional" entertaining stories or metaphors to explain their religious beliefs. AAT take myths and legends to be the literal truth.So in a thousand years AAT from that time will see current fiction as "real"...that it had to exist because it was written down.
I'll admit I'm an athiest but I'm also very open minded. I believe in life elsewhere in the universe (there has to be). To say that E.Ts are guiding us and giving us technology to advance us is ridiculous IMO. So E.Ts are saying..."Lets give these primitive people advanced knowledge now so they can destroy us and each other in a 1000 years"
I'll finish by saying that the Ancient Astronaut theory B.S.

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10/22/2018 04:26:45 pm

Well from my experience, science is never correct at first. Carbon dating is one of the techs we use and is not correct, there are underlying imperfections we have yet to figure into the results. To move forward into the truth we can not be narrow minded! And to think we are the first civilization to be here on earth is ludacrist

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11/23/2019 04:08:57 pm

Spam tosser.

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Mr Cabbage
11/23/2019 04:08:25 pm

Ha ha ha ha! Alien "theorists". The comments section only helps to demonstrate the point made in the article that you can't reach fruitcakes with logic or reason. The whole idea of "ancient aliens" doing all these things claimed by the fruitcakes are so ridiculous, and utterly lacking in evidence, that a sane person doesn't even know where to begin in "refuting" them. How does one go about "refuting" bullshit? If a child says they have an imaginary friend, does one "refute" it? No, of course not. That would be a waste of time. The only sensible responses are either to ignore the brat or laugh out loud at their ignorant innocence.

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TMN link
5/5/2020 12:24:24 pm

Ancient astronaut believers are always talking about main stream scientists, as opposed to lunatic-fringe "scientists", I assume. I wonder if the so called theorists behind this nonesense actually belevie in it themselves or if they are just snake oil salesmen. If they do believe, then they are morons.

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5/29/2021 08:59:54 am

These people are truly whacked. And that clown Giorgio Tsoukalos is leading the whack job hit parade.

They prefer the title "Ancient Astronaut Theorists" to "mentally unstable faux scientists who believe in little green men from outer space" which is far more accurate.

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