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"Hunting Hitler" Exonerates Moe Howard of the Charge of Being Hitler; Plus: Is the FBI "Childish" about MJ-12?

12/7/2016

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​There was a bit of surprising news from Leiden, the Netherlands, where the National Museum of Ethnology announced about a week ago that a famous Mixtec artifact, a skull covered in a turquoise mosaic, is a fake. After tests revealed that the mosaic was glued on with modern glue, researchers determined that the artifact had been assembled from ancient mosaic tiles and an ancient skull in modern times, probably by a dentist in Mexico in the 1940s or 1950s. I can remember seeing that piece in textbooks when I was in school, and it’s surprising to discover that it’s a forgery. 
The Curse of Oak Island was on last night, and it offered nothing by way of ancient conspiracies, so I have nothing to say about it. Hunting Hitler came on afterward, and the stooges who bumble their way through the investigation engaged in some ridiculous hypocrisy. You will remember that in the season premiere, they showed a photograph of Three Stooges comedian Moe Howard, who was Jewish, taken in the 1970s and suggested that it was a photo of Adolf Hitler, murderer of millions of Jews, from 1961. Apparently between then and now the show must have discovered the “truth” because the cast now states that the photograph would be “irresponsible to show on the air” until they can get “confirmation” that it depicts Hitler. They already showed it on the air, in episode 1 of this season. Apparently, they finally realized how offensive it would be to accuse a Jew of being Hitler. “We have to be really careful with this,” one of the Hunting Hitler stooges said.
 
The footage offering this disclaimer on the photo looks like it was shot later, with other shots in their offices produced after the fieldwork for the season was complete, and it is obvious that the “photograph” seen from behind in this footage as the cast pretend to examine it is not the one presented in earlier episodes. The “new” photograph, for example, is thin with a pure white background, while the one seen earlier was thick and yellowed. It’s a prop copy, or, more likely, just blank.
 
The footage seen in the season premiere of the computer-aided comparison of the Howard photograph to Hitler is repeated here, but now Howard’s face is blurred out, and the dots that indicated a likely match have been removed from the comparison a computer analyst is seen making. The team concludes that the photograph is not Hitler—but, crucially—they say this was based on their own outside investigation more than the computer analysis. They sheepishly refuse to say what the photo really is because—as should be obvious—they don’t want to admit to suspecting a Jewish comedian of being a mass murderer of Jews. Nevertheless, to save face, the “team” says that the picture totally looks “like an aged Adolf Hitler” and agree that anyone might believe the unnamed Moe Howard was really the Führer based on the picture.
 
Weirdest of all, they did all of this in the first four minutes of the episode, before moving on so the audience could quickly forget the misstep that had been set up as the season’s most important evidence.
 
Translation: It looks for all the world like they got blindsided by the fact that the picture was really Moe Howard and scrambled to forestall an embarrassing controversy.
 
But the fact that they wrapped up their ass-covering in a claim of ethical responsibility--after showing Moe Howard as an exact match Hitler in the season premiere!—without bothering to address and apologize for their offensive error speaks volumes about what passes for ethics on the History Channel.  
 
Meanwhile, the editor of Atlas Obscura, Eric Grundhauser, has a piece about the Majestic-12 documents that demonstrates why people with only a superficial knowledge of their subject matter shouldn’t try to write clever bits of snark about things they don’t quite understand. Grundhauser is right, of course, that the documents are fake. What he doesn’t understand is how the FBI dealt with false information or what it meant when they scrawled notes on documents.
 
The headline of Grundhauser’s piece announced that “The FBI Debunked These UFO Documents in the Most Childish Way Possible,” and Grundhauser himself writes with apparent snark that “The FBI says the whole story is ‘bogus.’ Yes, that's a quote. It wrote ‘BOGUS’ across the documents. […] To drive the point home, the word ‘bogus’ was then scrawled across the filed documents in giant capital letters.”
 
This might look weird if you’ve never read FBI documents, but one of the things that writers should do before making fun of something that looks strange is to compare the seeming anomalous data to other documents. While the agent who scrawled “BOGUS” on these particular files (to make clear that they are not real, lest anyone be fooled) did so in larger size and a thicker marker than other agents, it wasn’t a dramatic departure from past practice. Almost all of the old FBI files, going back to the dawn of the UFO era (and presumably before, on other subjects), have notes scribbled all over them. On quite a few occasions, agents have noted that information is false, fake, planted, or otherwise unreliable. You can see this for yourself by reviewing various declassified files. The Flying Roll “interdimensional” alien material I discussed the other day has “No Action” written in large cursive handwriting to indicate that the agency considered it pointless to pursue, and many other documents have hand written comments on the validity of the material described therein. Other agencies did the same thing. There are, for example, a couple of different declassified copies of material the American embassy in Moscow sent back to the U.S. in 1968 about Soviet UFO coverage. The State Department copy is clean, but the NSA copy has a paragraph circled and the word “PLANT” scrawled in big letters next to it because the NSA had duped the Soviets into covering a fake UFO story.
 
I have not had the opportunity to read through documents on other subjects to see how they are marked, but I can’t imagine they were very different.
 
It’s not “childish” to mark the MJ-12 documents as “bogus” since they are, nor is it shockingly out of step with how documents were handled prior to computerization. 
23 Comments
A Buddhist
12/7/2016 11:24:03 am

It is a real pity that people are so easily driven into the rut of accepting what others tell them is normal or - worse yet - what they think is normal without doing their own research through relevant and useful sources. It was this tendency that caused me to delay my acceptance of the Three Jewels for years, and remain bound by the absurdity of theism. But the best theist whom I have encountered wrote the following, which I think more people should think about:

Master Mozi said, “This is what is called treating habit as appropriate and custom as morally right. Formerly, east of Yue there was the country of Gai Shu. When their first son was born, they dismembered and ate him, calling this an obligation to his brothers. When their grandfather died, they carried off their grandmother and abandoned her, saying, ‘One cannot live with the wife of a ghost.’ These were treated as policy above and as custom below, performed without ceasing and held onto without letting go. But how can these really be the way of what is humane and right?” (Book 25, “Thrift in Funerals”)

If people were more willing to analyze what is humane and right, there would be less willingness to accept facile thoughts based upon erroneous assumptions that "this is not right".

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Kal
12/7/2016 11:55:46 am

Next they will probably claim Hitler is Charlie Chaplin from his spoof of him, or more bizarre, from that cheesy Wonder Woman episode with the clone, or still more so, his face is in a crust of bread.

The tasteless hilarity of that show is laughable. They probably also deny the holocaust and think the Earth was flat.

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At Risk
12/7/2016 12:13:44 pm

People seem to either love or hate the Three Stooges.

I have an old TV in the garage that takes old VHS tapes, and once in a while I'll pause to watch a few minutes of what I taped on TV probably thirty years ago. I didn't know the Howards were of Jewish heritage, but I'm not surprised, since so much brilliant Jewish talent came out of Hollywood.

Here's one of my favorites, called "False Alarms." The funniest part for me is where "Tiny" knocks Curley on his butt, beginning at about 7:30 in the video:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=three+stooges+video%2C+false+alarms#id=6&vid=32d12e705923fc9820d0e00b8f41233a&action=click

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V
12/8/2016 11:03:16 am

I'm in the party of "hate them," personally. Even when I was a little little kid, they seemed abusive to me rather than funny.

On the other hand, I would never dream of accusing one of them of being a genocidal dictator, at least not unless I was talking about him PLAYING one.

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At Risk
12/9/2016 10:45:42 am

V, as a not-so-funny turn-around, I knew of an adolescent boy who looked like Curly's son, and he used to enjoy mimicking Curly and was very good at it, especially slapping at his face...except that his mother would grow so angry at him that she would unknowingly take Moe's place as the abuser, and start cuffing him around to stop it. The poor kid would retreat, mumbling, "Woo-boo-woo-woo-woo," having plenty of pink cuff-marks all about his head and shoulders. This was many years ago, when abusing children was more acceptable. At least with the Three Stooges, it was all just pretending.

Bob Jase
12/7/2016 12:40:22 pm

But if the Mixtec turquoise skull is a fake then does this mean the Aztec Mummy did not defeat the Wrestling Women and the Humanoid Robot?

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Tom
12/7/2016 01:34:01 pm

Mr Grundhauser cannot seem to imagine that the FBI actually had the intelligence to know what it was doing when its operative wrote "bogus" on the MJ12 document he apparently thinks they must have been in dire need of someone of his academic stature at the time. He is also wrong in saying the UFO crashed IN Roswell, the nearest town to the "crash site " was Corona. Roswell was seventy odd miles away and it would surely have noticed a bunch of alien corpses in the high street, not to mention a rather battered space ship.

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DaveR
12/7/2016 02:15:28 pm

It's rather telling about their ignorance when they claim the Moe Howard pictures showed Hitler in 1961 when you can clearly see the back end of the Cadillac behind Moe is from around 1970.

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Bob Jase
12/7/2016 02:46:16 pm

Its all that advanced Nazi tech.

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El Cid
12/7/2016 02:44:28 pm

Yes, but are we *sure* that Moe Howard WASN'T Hitler?

It might have been difficult to maintain the stage and film career while directing the German state, but according to informative YouTube ads which keep popping up, German Secret Societies were in contact with 'Nordic beings' who had giant underground cities.

So maybe they had tunnels or something.

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kal
12/7/2016 02:55:10 pm

Moe Howard is considerably too young to be Hitler, even with 50s era plastic surgery, as it might as well have been space aliens. The Stooges were Jewish. That was no great revelation. What is bizarre is that the silly show about Hitler they made never did any research and accidentally made a slanderous claim about one of them. Naturally they had to back pedal, as there are descendants of the Howards around. They likely contacted the network and were like, WTF? How is that even possible?

Besides, why is Hitler even news worthy in 2016?

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Kal
12/7/2016 03:00:42 pm

How come the fringe likes to use the old cliche that the super villain bad guy must have faked his death to escape and lived a life somewhere free from prosecution? It is a fantasy with them. They cannot accept that history records his demise. It doesn't really make sense, as why wouldn't said villain rise to power once more somewhere else, as a dictator in some faraway land? It usually doesn't happen like that.

It is historic that many former Nazi people went to work for the rising super powers, as rocket scientists. This does not mean their former leader did.

Silly people. Now they will see some 100 year old former war criminal come out of his house in a walker, drop it, and go goose stepping down the street.

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Clete
12/7/2016 05:25:29 pm

This is really off topic, but I am wondering what has become of the poster "Time Machine"? Did he join the Trump administration? Did he finally graduate from the fourth Grade?

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Shane Sullivan
12/7/2016 05:28:17 pm

Don't press the issue--to force a rainbow angers God! =P

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K
12/7/2016 06:07:54 pm

Amen

Uncle Ron
12/7/2016 09:28:23 pm

Hear, hear!

Only Me
12/7/2016 06:14:30 pm

>>>the "team"...agree that anyone might believe the unnamed Moe Howard was really the Führer based on the picture<<<

No, just no. Only semi-intelligent turds like the "team" would make that mistake. Even when caught jumping to baseless conclusions, these people are not capable of admitting they were wrong.

If the History Channel disappeared like H2, that wouldn't be considered a loss.

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Titus pullo
12/7/2016 07:42:16 pm

Im waiting for the spin offs. Staking Stalin or Chasing Mao or Searching tor Pol pot. I guess Hitler just had brand value far greater than say Stalin who probably killed over Six million kulaks. Hitler sells or maybe used to. 😀 In 2016 we have more recent despots who perhaps faled their death.

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Weatherwax
12/7/2016 09:07:00 pm

The chaos surrounding Hitlers death, and the long time Soviet silence on the matter left room for mystery mongering. The other's deaths were more public.

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Logan's Dad
12/11/2016 02:58:53 pm

According to the "Hollywood Reporter", as of 2015 there were over 1,400 prime time television shows available to watch. The programming beast demands to be fed, and the producers feed it with junk food, producing TV shows comprised of fluff, rather than substance. The programs exist for the sole purpose of making their owners money. Money is generated by ads, whose rates are determined by viewership. If they can't make enough money to cover the costs, the program is gone. It is a very simple business model. Unfortunately, mindless fluff appears to be what the average viewer wants. Would you really want the History channel gone? I shudder to think what would fill the void.
In truth, thousands of Nazi war criminals did escape to South America after the war, including Klaus Barbie and Joseph Mengele. The escape routes were in place and successfully used, so there is at least a defensible historical premise for the show. The challenge is in trying to prove that Hitler actually used these resources himself. Because the "evidence" is tenuous at best, it taxes the imagination of even the most supportive viewers, making it easy to mock.
Why would anyone be shocked or outraged that errors would be glossed over and minimized? When was the last time you saw a "news" station wailing "mea culpa mea maxima culpa" for their real time errors. Why would anyone be surprised that unfounded theories are breathlessly expressed as "possible" new evidence, or that creative editing for suspense is used? Obviously a series is going to try to create suspense, purport to have "new" information, manipulate encounters and sensationalize evidence to the fullest, in order to get return viewers. Get over it, it's marketing and it works, be it "Hunting Hitler", "Hunting Bigfoot", or "Hunting Ratings".

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William in Illinois
12/27/2016 08:42:25 pm

I had never heard of this series until I saw Jason's original post on the Howard picture. I wanted to see that but it turns out that they have now edited most of that footage out. The version of the episode availaible on On Demand and Amazon still starts out with the guy showing the investigators the photo, but the computer analysis is gone. The only time the image is visible at all is when Kennedy shines his flashlight on it.

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George J
12/28/2016 04:13:23 pm

I stopped watching Hunting Hitler after about the 3rd episode of the first season. I was actually surprised to see that it had been picked up for a second season.

Moe Howard is Hitler? Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk! I see I haven't missed anything.

However, I am curious about the following...

"It’s not “childish” to mark the MJ-12 documents as “bogus” since they are, nor is it shockingly out of step with how documents were handled prior to computerization."

Why would such a meticulous investigative agency deface any document? It is evidence (or may be needed as evidence)! Even if it is not evidence of an alien invasion, it is at least evidence of fraud. And, as Dan Rather could attest, falsifying government documents is not something the government takes lightly.

Even if the document in question is not currently part of an investigation, it might be needed for a future case. By defacing the document they have rendered its useless as evidence in any potential legal proceeding.

But, then again, maybe that is why they had in mind.

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Matt
7/3/2021 10:24:53 pm

Has anyone ever seen Moe and Hitler in the same place at the same time? Hmmmmm. :p

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