In Brief: Donald Ruh Confirms That "Templar" Map of Oak Island Is a Fake

12/28/2018

While I am preparing my Year in Review post for tomorrow, I wanted to briefly note that on Scott Wolter's blog this week, Donald Ruh, the author of The Scrolls of Onteora, and an interested party in the story of the supposed Templar documents used on The Curse of Oak Island in 2016 and in the late Zena Halpern's book The Templar Mission to Oak Island and Beyond in 2017, confirmed that the hand-drawn French-language map depicting Oak Island and said to be a copy of one used by the Knights Templar in the Middle Ages is a fake. The map was part of a collection of documents compiled by a man named William Jackson before his death and 2000, and Ruh believes that Jackson was involved in some cloak and dagger secret intelligence work surrounding the documents, including a scandal in Italy involving crimes committed by Propaganda Due, or P2, a Masonic lodge that had been stripped of its charter and became a right-wing secret society with ties to members of the elite and a penchant for murder. "The Oak Island map is a fabrication, most likely created by Bill Jackson as part of an assignment by the agency Dr. Jackson worked for to intentionally set up a bad guy associated with the P2 scandal in the late 1970’s," Ruh wrote. I would need to see more proof to buy the claims about secret intelligence work (and i am not sure why Jackson's letter about it, reproduced in Ruh's blog post, looks to have been professionally or electronically typeset, despite allegedly being a personal letter from 1979), but I have no doubt that Ruh is correct that the map is a modern forgery. The most interesting part of Ruh's post, however, is not his dubious spy claims about the imaginary Spartan Agency, but rather the fact that he and Halpern fell out not over evidence or interpretation but over how best to exploit their claims in order to land the best TV deal. That is the true treasure of Oak Island.

144 Comments

Rational Man

12/28/2018 09:00:02 am

Ruh has got his own stuff to peddle, got his own agenda.

Joe Scales

12/28/2018 12:11:47 pm

Yeah, sour grapes on Ruh's part as well. Like he didn't get into the Curse of Oak Island club, so now he's going to ruin it by stating the obvious; that the map was pure fabrication.

Hal

12/28/2018 10:14:43 am

So you believe a known fraud when he supports what you believe.

Rational Man

12/28/2018 12:40:42 pm

Makes it impossible for the believers to carry on when that happens.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/28/2018 10:15:01 am

Wolter, Ruh, and Muir are locked into their own self-reinforcing echo chamber. And there's a bigly Walter Mitty aspect:

Wolter thinks he descended from Templars and the whole world is against him;

Muir thinks she can trace her ancestry back to the mythical Adam;

Ruh thinks he's a double nought spy.

I like the way the Jackson family (allegedly) transferred to Ruh ownership and copyright of various items. One wonders if the signatories had standing so to do.

It's like the Batman TV show: What crazy thing is going to happen next week?

Joe Scales

12/28/2018 12:24:50 pm

Marty Lagina is a lawyer, as well as a millionaire engineer. I would actually be shocked if he didn't do his due diligence in sorting out any potential legal issues with Halpern's garbage. Ruh's agreement with Halpern could have been invalidated by their falling out, and of course the map in question appeared at least five years after said agreement; plus Ruh now claims it shouldn't have been related to their source material.

Yeah, if Ruh had any decent legal claim it probably would have been worked out behind the scenes. That he's going all scorched earth over on Wolter's blog seems more indicative of a poor hand in this regard.

Jim

12/28/2018 11:10:07 am

Wolter is either the most gullible person on the planet or the most dishonest. Quite possibly both.

Wolter:
" I was amazed by Don’s photographic memory as he recalled details of the discoveries he, Dr. Jackson, and others made in the 1970s and 1980s during numerous expeditions into the Catskills which ultimately led to Hunter Mountain."

" photographic memory", but Don Ruh completely forgot about himself and his buddies complete hoaxing of this Oak Island map and other objects used in perpetuating this hoax. Ya right !!

Interesting,, considering Wolters thinly veiled new found hatred of all things Oak Island.
Competition perhaps for Wolters supposedly planned new show ? Wherein Wolter and co. go around digging holes looking for Templar treasure and artifacts. Now what television show wound that remind one of ? Oh ya.
If Wolter gets a new show he should call it,,, "The ripping off of the plot of Oak Island".
Never anything original with Wolter, always ripping off other peoples nonsensical work.

Joe Scales

12/28/2018 12:13:47 pm

I wonder if Wolter ever lobbied for the now filled role of the "geologist" on Curse of Oak Island.

R J Daniels

8/31/2022 07:58:07 pm

Ruh actually does not prove the map is fake in the blog.
At the beginning he states Jackson acquired the map in 1994.
Later in the blog he uses the 1979 letter from Jackson to “prove” the map is a fake. The letter mentions no map and the two dates are contradictory.
I believe the map is real, but internal evidence dates it to 1650 to 1700. (There is not enough space to present my argument here)

From what the McGinnis grandfather tells his family he was aware of the map since he talks about a hatch, one of the labels on the map

Kal

12/28/2018 01:14:37 pm

"You can't out con a con man."

One man's fake map is another man's treasure map, and in the right hands, makes them some fame for a time.

If the Oak Island guys are arguing among each other about which fraud is more legit, it is most amusing. Neither is. They're all frauds, and this wird fixation with Templars is just baffling, as like the Marivingian, will prove nothing, and give them only marginally okay book sales.

Again from before, what would any of it prove is Scott was descended from a long dead family? Who actually would gi

Joe Scales

12/28/2018 02:47:07 pm

The Templar push is no doubt a directive from The History Channel for cross-promotion with their "historical fiction" show Knightfall which got a season 2.

Jim

12/28/2018 03:05:49 pm

Oh, Oh,,, It looks like the CIA, Smithsonian or someone got to Kal even before he could finish typing his res

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/28/2018 01:19:29 pm

In light of recent "developments" the title of this 11/19/2016 blog post is prescient:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-theme-of-the-missing-original-document-in-fringe-history

John

12/28/2018 02:16:45 pm

I have never been impressed by the map, and I personally do not feel that it is real (I could be wrong), but how do we know that the letter from 1979 is real? It looks to be printed off a machine other than a standard type writer because there are a different amount of fonts per line depending on how large the letters are. Most (if not all) type writers had an identical amount of space for each character. So this letter was printed from a computer with a printer attached to it. Of course Jason notes just this in his blog. Not many people had this sort of set up in 1979 I don't think. My point is is that the letter looks as suspicious as the map does.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/28/2018 06:19:22 pm

Does no one else see the straight-edged discoloration at the bottom of the page where the super-childish drawings are?

Jim

12/28/2018 06:57:11 pm

Looks like it's time for the excuse de jour, it's a copy of a copy of a copy.

Pat

12/29/2018 12:09:25 pm

The IBM Executive typewriter had variable-width fonts, and one had to know the width of the individual letters in order to make corrections.

Paul

12/28/2018 02:31:49 pm

Kind of reverts to the old adage about no honor among thieves. This made my day, still chuckling about it. Wolter authenticated the map, see his Nov 16, 2016 blog post now he has to back pedal. Ruh is the biggest horse's ass there is, any of the documents or artifacts he presents are questionable. Then according to the letter between Bill Jackson and Ruh, they are talking about falsifying items but we are supposed to believe Ruh. Halpern is barely cold and he is throwing her under the bus.This is just rich.

Joe Scales

12/28/2018 02:55:08 pm

"Wolter authenticated the map, see his Nov 16, 2016 blog post now he has to back pedal."

Two different maps. The one from the 11/16 blog post was the infamous "longitude" fiasco. The one Ruh now claims is fake is the one the Curse of Oak Island used, with the French name they tried to link to the Templars and showing the island with markings like "the hatch", reminiscent of the old tv show Lost.

Rick

2/28/2019 05:10:34 pm

I believe Scott Wolter is honest and yes trying to make a buck. The map looked too good to be true to me.

When money is involved, people do uncharacteristic stuff. Thks

Jim

12/28/2018 03:00:18 pm

Who knows ? In Wolters perpetual fog of confusion his Title "Oak Island 1179 Map" described in his Nov 16, 2016 blog post is not about the Oak Island Map at all, but about a different map !!

Paul

12/28/2018 04:22:21 pm

My bad, got my forgeries mixed up. But still tend to believe the maps are real about as much as I do Ruh, who claims he excelled in Biology and Geometry in the 5th grade and owned a Plymouth Bell Air. Also, am confused about the legend on the map in Wolter's blog, "Figure 1: This map which includes what appear to show Oak Island, in Nova Scotia, was posthumously given to me by my long-time work colleague and life-long friend, Dr. William “Bill” Jackson in 2015. (Courtesy of Donald Ruh)" This when, he has a "notarized" document giving documents to him by 2008 and Jackson died in 2000? Who can keep their untruths straight?

Joe Scales

12/28/2018 10:33:18 pm

Ruh claims that he found the Oak Island map featured on the television show in 2015 hidden in a book given to him by Jackson. He showed it to Halpern who used it to get on the television show. Now Ruh claims it's a fake, but to back that up can only point to the 1979 typed letter Jackson sent him and have us assume it's the "Ely letter" mentioned therein. Ruh further claims it's all about some super secret operation to ensnare the P2 people. That's a stretch though, even for them. The letter looks to me like evidence of a conspiracy to defraud with purposely hoaxed artifacts to up the bidding for whatever it was they were actually talking about. In other words, these idiots just exposed themselves as frauds.

Machala

12/28/2018 08:32:22 pm

I am seriously considering writing a comedy based on The Curse of Oak Island fiasco. The farce virtually writes itself and the outrageous cast of characters only need name changes (to keep me from getting sued).

Real life is definitely funnier and stranger than fiction. In my wildest imagination, I couldn't come up with anything as bizarre and hillarious as this group of con artists and imbeciles running around a boggy island searching for something they can't even agree on but are all sure - providing THC renews them for another year - is buried somewhere there.

Accumulated Wisdom

12/29/2018 12:04:33 am

This dude is trying to insinuate himself into the whole Jesus's blood in France dupe. Likely concocted as some form of high-level espionage, it has morphed into money making bull. Why do so many people long for a Theocracy? Has no one learned from Jim Baker, or that waxed pos Joel, locking people out of his megachurch seeking asylum from the storm???

Jim

12/29/2018 03:47:11 pm

LOL,,,Ruh's entry in Wolters blog taking heat from Pulitzers Oak Island group. Jovan trying to justify the fakery goes over like a lead balloon.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/CurseofOakIslandOfficial/permalink/1107168759451086/

Jim

12/29/2018 06:17:23 pm

Anyone remember our old friend William Smith ?
His nonsensical loadstone compass is based on Don Ruh's mystery cannister !,,,,,,page 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13JVBlEq5iKQoU8fj9FMkltg-jLYlUtB8/view

Although I shudder at taking anything at face value from him, William Smith claims this Jackson fellow died in 2007, not the 2000 claimed by Ruh.
What a great person (Jackson) to introduce to ones hoax, a shady spy guy that no one can find anything about.

Paul

12/29/2018 06:31:28 pm

Just good ol! Mr Wolters, claims that when he did an internet search on the dubious Dr Jackson, Wolters was severely warned to leave well enough alone. Anyone else have that happen? Thought not....Anyone else notice that some of the "i's" are dotted in the school girl fashion in Ruh's stuff that you can access on his book on google preview? Same as the map or maps? Also, find it a coincidence that he refers to a Spartan company that does security system installs, (that Ruh worked for), then a Spartan Enterprises salesperson in the "adult" division and finally the secretive Spartan spy or whatever it was industry. Guy does not have any imagination or thinks people are completely stupid.

Jim

12/30/2018 02:48:08 am

Unfortunately these types seem to collect cult like followings that believe every word they say.
I find myself looking to google books (preview) more often, in hopes of finding pearls from these nutbars. Case in Point:

Diana Muir,,,,"The House of Gun"

https://books.google.ca/books?id=PMB2DwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+House+of+Gunn&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiA0KDKgMffAhVj_4MKHbhSBvgQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=The%20House%20of%20Gunn&f=true

It starts out (page 1 for Pete's sake) Talking of Liv Dagsdattter who died in 778 AD. In this dead condition she apparently gave birth to 3 children in the year of 780 AD. (only 2 years dead)
More striking is the fact that she gave birth to Gudrod the Hunter Viking King in 790 AD, a full 12 years after she died.
Honest to crap, why would anyone read beyond the first page ?

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/30/2018 08:29:12 am

My hat's off to any guy manly enough to impregnate a corpse. In spite of being a "genealogist" our Diana doesn't sweat the details.

Jim

12/30/2018 10:41:40 am

I was going to bring that up, but thought better of it, lol.
One should also note that dear old Liv Dagsdattter"s ( 760 - 778 ) grandson Haldan Halfdan was born in 721 AD ,, 39 years before his Grandmother was born. So I suppose it is possible that he impregnated his own grandmother with his father.

Seriously,, how can these people publish complete nonsense like this. With Wolters urging no doubt.

Hans

12/30/2018 12:59:04 am

I can neither confirm nor deny Ruh's account of events, but I can confirm that the Oak Island map is indeed a fake.
Gretchen Cornwall pointed out to me that there is a French phrase on the lower right of the map:
Les sud Indien travail tres bon
It's horrible French, if I translated that to English literally it would read:
The south indian the work very good.
More importantly though it refers to the natives of the Americas as "Indian". That gives it away as post-Columbian. Columbus sailed west to find India - and so he naturally called the natives "Indian". No explorer before Columbus would have done that. Hence the French phrase at the bottom right was added after 1492, which makes the whole document suspect.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/30/2018 08:41:20 am

Well caught! I noticed the phrase and what we would today consider bad French (forgivable) but didn't think it through.

It also expands the claim in that it implies that the Vikings/Templars/whoever were in both north and south North America, possibly (why not?) even the Caribbean.

While we're at it, let's look at "You have a hard time understanding why cross Atlantic trade was kept a trade secret for economic reasons"
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/ancient-origins-writer-claims-the-constellation-orion-made-jesus-walk-on-water

How differently the Spanish handled it: "Hey! There's gold over there and we're recruiting a bunch of guys to go get it! Tell your friends!"

Jim

12/30/2018 11:00:41 am

"How differently the Spanish handled it: "Hey! There's gold over there and we're recruiting a bunch of guys to go get it! Tell your friends!"

Haha,, perhaps the Spanish were looking for all the Templar gold in America. I can publish a book about it if you need proof.

Patrick Shekleton

12/30/2018 12:29:13 pm

Hans, Columbus was in correspondence with Toscanelli ca. 1470s. Their correspondence, which initially included a map that was lost, then subsequently reconstructed in the late 19th century, included references to India located to the west of Greenland. Toscanelli used, in part, the work of Claudius Clavus. John Mandeville's ca. 1357 account included geographic references to the 'Isles of Ind' (various historical names including Inter Indos/Indie/Indos/Ind the more). The ca. 1160-1175 "Historia Norwegiae" provides an oblique reference to the understood geographic area of the Indian islands which lay off the western shore of Greenland, with the islands of Africa lying further distant where 'the ocean tides swept in.' India is to the east of Africa, which therefore makes the Medieval Era understanding of what we know today to be North America...Asia (Seres) and Ind (India). Columbus generally gets credit for the INDIAN ethnological name for Native Americans, but the concept of North America being Asia/China/India pre-dated Columbus by a minimum of over three centuries. I am not submitting this to make a case for, or against, the particular map of Oak Island...I never paid it much attention because it looked modern and Oak Island is not an interest for me.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/30/2018 12:58:44 pm

Patrick, I'm gonna have to give you a big old bad old buzzer on this. Once you say "lost but reconstructed" you're in Fantasy Land.

"John Mandeville" is hardly a reliable source.

"The ca. 1160-1175 "Historia Norwegiae" provides an oblique reference to the understood geographic area of the Indian islands which lay off the western shore of Greenland, with the islands of Africa lying further distant"

Uh, yeah but...everyone KNEW where India and Africa were! Since the time of Alexander the Great, at least! This was not a "remember where we parked" situation. Africa's right below the Mediterranean, right where we left it and sailors had to go around it to get to...wait for it, America... India.

You might as well say we went to the Moon to corner the cheese market.

Keep bringing the nonsense!

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/30/2018 07:25:16 pm

"Columbus generally gets credit for the INDIAN ethnological name for Native Americans, but the concept of North America being Asia/China/India pre-dated Columbus by a minimum of over three centuries."

That's just not true, Patrick. The small group of people who knew vaguely where North America was knew it was not "Asia/China/India". Remember Vikings traded with Asia so they knew where Asia was.

"Ind" is the modern Icelandic word for "journal". I'm a space cowboy and I despair of you sometimes with your nonsense and your carrying on. Let "That's just not true" be your mantra.

Patrick Shekleton

12/31/2018 05:19:30 am

Toscanelli:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1571850636224467/1572579969484867/?type=3&theater
Mandeville, describes the location of Ind:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1571850636224467/1559769777432553/?type=3&theater
Mandeville, catalogue of India references:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1571850636224467/1559717854104412/?type=3&theater
Toscanelli Shrunk the World:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407953305947535/1484689444940587/?type=3&theater
Pliny, Indians:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407953305947535/1504344976308367/?type=3&theater
Mandeville, Part 1, Circumference, 20,425 Value:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.114955778580634/1848700418539486/?type=3&theater
Mandeville, Part 2, Circumference, 31,500 Value:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.114955778580634/1849443008465227/?type=3&theater

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/31/2018 06:06:45 am

"Toscanelli:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1571850636224467/1572579969484867/?type=3&theater
Mandeville, describes the location of Ind:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1571850636224467/1559769777432553/?type=3&theater
Mandeville, catalogue of India references:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1571850636224467/1559717854104412/?type=3&theater
Toscanelli Shrunk the World:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407953305947535/1484689444940587/?type=3&theater
Pliny, Indians:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407953305947535/1504344976308367/?type=3&theater
Mandeville, Part 1, Circumference, 20,425 Value:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.114955778580634/1848700418539486/?type=3&theater
Mandeville, Part 2, Circumference, 31,500 Value:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.114955778580634/1849443008465227/?type=3&theater"

Dammit! I forgot that if something's on the internet it's true. My bad.

Do you at least understand that on the best of days Mandeville is not a reliable source and probably not a real person?

Pace The Exorcist but the power of Facebook does not compel me.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/2/2019 09:37:47 pm

THANK YOU for the links Patrick!

If you're still paying attention to this thread, give a shout out. I have a couple of ideas to share.

More people should pay attention to what Patrick has laid out for FREE!

Scott S.

1/1/2019 11:31:15 am

I disagree on the Native North American peoples not being called Indians prior to Columbus. Columbus was not the first navigator to suspect an over sea route to India as an alternative to the Silk Road. Any explorer prior to him looking for that same trade route would be inclined to name any non-white indigenous peoples as "Indian." In general Columbus is credited with misnaming the people he encountered because of his popularity. Columbus never set foot on the continent of North America.

Accumulated Wisdom

12/31/2018 12:44:08 am

Most of the stories being profited from, and twisted towards various agendas have their meaning in the stars.

Noah's Ark/Zodiac
Cube/Mecca and double cube/Stonehenge
Gothic cathedrals built using Noah's numbers
Male and female constellations
Orion is the Giant whom stowed away

King Arthur... again...the Sun
Guinevere...Venus
Knights of the Round Table... Constellations

Aliens??? Secret Military aircraft or, maybe we're being studied.

Nephilim...Stars

Happy Mr. Shekelton chimed in. His explanation for "Frisland" is genius.

I believe Princeton University found "statistical proof" for reincarnation. Reincarnation?, Or Genetic Memory???

There is something to ghosts, but, it's not dead people.

Most mysteries can be solved by looking up. 🤔

Accumulated Wisdom

12/31/2018 03:12:43 am

My bad! I thought I was commenting on the "Year in Review". Meds were better than I thought.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/31/2018 06:02:12 am

On the bright side the meds haven't interfered with your compulsion to repeat the same old tired bullshit over and over and over.

Accumulated Wisdom

12/31/2018 10:45:51 am

AADHD-

When I need your expertise as a professional Fluffer, I will let you know. Until then, best accept Mr. Cheney's offer to take you hunting. Be sure to wear a fur coat.

American Cool "Disco" Da

12/31/2018 11:16:14 am

Priceless Defender:

Wow, now I'm

a. humbled
b. homosexualized
c. super scared
d. none of the above

But Jesus fucking Christ you do go on repeating the same old same old same old same old same old thing. While I appreciate your invitation to oral sex I don't swing that way. The problem isn't that you're a full-speed homosexual, the problem is you're an idiot.

Patrick Shekleton

1/3/2019 09:20:59 am

AW, still following.

Patrick Shekleton

12/31/2018 07:09:40 am

ACDD
“Do you at least understand that on the best of days Mandeville is not a reliable source and probably not a real person?’
My original comment was merely to point out that the term “Indian” as it related to North America/Asia did not originate with Columbus. This was just a point of historical clarification for Hans. Twice you have mentioned Mandeville as an unreliable source, the latest round adding that Mandeville is “probably not a real person.” Does this invalidate all that is to be found within the “Travels…”? Of course not. Despite the borrowing of material (not uncommon for that historical period), the inventiveness of some descriptive aspects (not uncommon for that historical period), and whether Mandeville himself is a singular person or a composite character (a literary device still in use today, refer to Obama’s “New York girlfried”) doesn’t negate the information that is unique within Mandeville and can be tested. For example, Mandeville’s description of the location of Ind is described by using a contemporaneous 14th century style of map – the circular world map which has Jerusalem at the center. Ind is located in the lower left quadrant, which places it to the west of Greenland. Easily tested. Mandeville’s remarks a few times on the various climes of the world, touching upon the fact that Ptolemy’s climes ended around the 54th parallel. Ironically, this is the reason cited for the mid-14th century survey explorations of the Northern Regions vis a vis the Inventio Fortunato. Mandeville’s earth circumference values can also be tested, which we did. They are quite accurate. It is inconsequential that Mandeville might not be, in the singular, a “real” person. Notwithstanding that point, the fact remains that there is information in the Mandeville account which is real, can be tested, and shows that elements of the Mandeville work represent the understanding of the world – significantly the geographic location of Ind and Seres – as North America. In this aspect, Mandeville’s account is absolutely a reliable source.

American Cool "Disco" dan

12/31/2018 08:45:39 am

"Mandeville’s account is absolutely a reliable source."

Oh Patrick,

Wow, you're going all in, aren't you? "Obama lied, therefore everyone in history who lied is absolved." Brilliant.

"Mandeville, Part 1, Circumference, 20,425 Value:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.114955778580634/1848700418539486/?type=3&theater
Mandeville, Part 2, Circumference, 31,500 Value:
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.114955778580634/1849443008465227/?type=3&theater""

"Mandeville’s earth circumference values can also be tested, which we did."

So, 20 thousand or 31 thousand? Which one? I'm not going to pursue these links. You summarize and 'splain it to me, Lucy. And don't spare the details on the "testing".

On a housekeeping note, could you possibly find it within you, bless your heart, to fucking use a fucking paragraph every fucking once in a fucking while? There's a lamb!

Patrick Shekleton

12/31/2018 09:14:12 am

ACDD,
You're in the cellar - which isn't even illustrated. This tidbit was recently posted on the Facebook site which explores pseudo-history claims similar to what Jason examines. Of course, you don't do Facebook. William Fitzgerald smoke-checked you the other day on Plato/Atlantis and, now, you self-immolated yourself by tendering opinions on a topic you don't comprehend. Your lust for trolling exposes your weakness. The good news is that 2019 is just a day away. Change your moniker and try something new in 2019 - read more.
https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/how-to-disagree-well-7-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-argue?utm_medium=Social&facebook=1&utm_source=Facebook#

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/31/2018 09:24:49 am

"William Fitzgerald smoke-checked you the other day on Plato/Atlantis"

If that actually happened you'd be able to quote it, but you can't. Because what you say happened didn't happen. Typical, isn't it? Be best!

PARAGRAPH

And say hello to the non-existent Mr. Mandeville for me as you engage in huggery tuggery on the assheap of history.

Joe Scales

12/31/2018 11:18:32 am

This just in from Wolter on his blog:

"Hearing your experiences and frustrations with Prometheus is not at all surprising. Three times they invited me and three times I refused to appear on the show. While I have no where near the research time invested or the personal connections, I have visited the island and quickly concluded the majority of the legend was myth. During a recruiting call the production company admitted the stone with the "Hooked X" carving was a plant. If that was a plant, what else has been planted?"

Well there he goes; throwing Curse of Oak Island under the bus. Probably because they didn't pay him enough for his hooked X...

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/31/2018 01:58:05 pm

Wait, didn't our Scott get caught being fooled by a hoax? It was grad students and I want to say in Minnesota but don't remember it well.

Someone will come up with the source for that. In the meantime, our Scott is an idiot.

Jim

12/31/2018 03:08:10 pm

Here you go:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-strange-case-of-the-avm-rune-stone-hoax

Jim

12/31/2018 03:01:46 pm

Wolter:

" Good on you for choosing ethics and credibility rather than short-lived, empty notoriety for ego."

Bwahahahahaha

From Jasons earlier Blog:

" Wolter adds that because he found “evidence” that the Kensington Rune Stone is genuine, it is therefore impossible for there to be evidence that it is a hoax. “It can’t exist,” he said, reiterating his belief that critics simply “argue the opposite” of Wolter’s points."

"Wolter said that he signed a non-disclosure agreement in order to view Halpern’s modern documents. Wolter believes that the 50 pages make hoaxing impossible "

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/scott-wolter-appears-on-jimmy-church-radio-attacks-critics-says-claims-should-be-believed-until-proven-false

Now that Wolter is flapping his gums about Halperns stuff, how does the non-disclosure agreement he signed apply ? would that still be legal with Halpern passing away ?
Marty Lagina being a lawyer, should check it carefully.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/31/2018 03:37:32 pm

I have a very simple rule of thumb: If Scott Wolter says it, it's either wrong or a lie. And if a semi truck regrettably crushes our Scott in a regrettable traffic accident, he gets off "Scott-free"!

Hans

1/3/2019 12:12:06 am

Patrick, Scott, and others,
You are just creating smoke screens. There is a simple uncomplicated explanation for the poor French sentence that refers to "Indian" on the map:
The phrase was added long after Columbus (when the term Indian for Native Americans was commonly used) and the author did not really speak French (but used a dictionary to cobble together a French phrase).
I do not have the burden of proving the map is a fake, those who claim that the map is real, need to provide proof of authenticity. They can't, obviously, because I have not seen any. Worse, the map is riddled with red flags that indicate it is a fake. The term "Indian" and the poor French grammar are just two examples. The phrase on the top right of the map refers to "tame the West". Referring to North America as "the West" in my mind is a rather modern expression. Nobody before French or British colonization would have used it. Not to mention that "ouest" is masculin ("le" not "la", or rather "l'" ...). And I would say half the French annotations on the map are bad grammar. It is inconceivable to me that anybody speaking French natively (like the Lionceau do Talmont) would have been capable of doing that.
So ..

Patrick Shekleton

1/3/2019 09:15:55 am

Hans, no smoke screens...and no counter argument on the modern-looking and improper French phrasing on the OI map. I don't believe anyone is taking a position contrary to yours on that map. Thx for the analysis ideas on the 1179 map...as time permits I will look at your ideas more closely.

Jim

1/3/2019 12:13:36 pm

Patrick:
According to you and Scott, you have proven that the Templars knew how to measure latitude and longitude as shown on Zena's map.

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-templars-knew-how-to-calculate.html

But, but, but,,,, on the map it refers to India being on completely the wrong side of the world ?????,,, this crap just debunks itself !!

Hans

1/3/2019 12:37:43 am

And now that you got me started ... (I commented on that on Wolter's blog):
The Formule cipher and the 1179 map too are clearly fakes.
I think that the Formule cipher was created by an English speaking person who used a dictionary and the 90 foot stone cipher to create it. This is Prof. Knight's solution (French):
HALT NE TERRER PAS
CREUSER A QUARANTE PIED AVEC A ANGLE QUARANT CINQ DEGRE LA HAMPE
A CINQ CENT VINGT DEUS PIED A VOUS ENTRE LE CORREIDOR
A UNMIL SOISANTE CINQ PIEDS ATTEINTE LA CHAMBRE
---
The English translation is:
Stop, do not burrow.
Dig at forty feet at forty five degree angle the shaft.
At five hundred twenty two feet you enter the corridor.
At one thousand sixty five feet reach the chamber.
---
Again it's horrible French, but two words stick out as "dictionary lookup errors" (i.e. errors somebody would make looking up French translations for English words in a dictionary): "hampe" as a translation of "shaft" and "atteinte" as a translation of "reach". You see there are different kinds of shafts. Shaft of a flower, shaft of a mine, or shaft of a weapon. "hampe" means shaft of a weapon - which is completely out of place in this context.
In English it is very common that a noun and the related verb are spelled the same. "reach" is a good example of that. The long reach of justice or I reach for the apple. In French however, noun and verb are always different. "atteinte" is the noun but the context clearly demands a verb "attenindre". Nobody who speaks French natively would have made that mistake.

Hans

1/3/2019 12:57:49 am

The 1179 map ...
Somebody found an old map - not Templar-old, but old - that presumably was created by a sailor navigating into the Gulf of St Lawrence. It contained only the upper half of Nova Scotia. So the swindler pasted the lower half of Nova Scotia on top of it (obliterating on of the longitude lines) to make the map relevant to Oak Island. Then he added two fixpoints on lower Nova Scotia, one on Oak Island and another one randomly next to it. Then he looked up the modern (Greenwich) longitude and latitude of Oak Island and added the Paris meridian offset (2.3 deg) to both the longitude and the latitude ...
The fixpoint next to Oak Island must have a Greenwich longitude even if it doesn't designate any actual site, because it would otherwise be on upper Nova Scotia.
And that's just the beginning. There are many other red flags all over the map. There is no way this could be authentic.

Patrick Shekleton

1/3/2019 01:10:02 pm

Jim,
Your third paragraph is so disjointed...I am just leaving it alone.

That particular blog posting was Wolter's. I was driving through Yreka , CA with my son, on vacation, when I found out about the blog post. Nice job at conflating things a bit.

The ability to accurately measure latitude was around for, at minimum, over a thousand years prior to the 12th century. Any disagreement there?

Arabic astronomers had several methods to determine longitude by the 9th century, or so. It is remarked upon in an Arabic treatise (I believe on astrolabes) in a very nonchalant manner, so nonchalant that they didn't describe but one of them. Off-hand I can't recall the author, but I reckon that you do.

So, what is it that you are actually writing about - other than your conflation and mixing together of disparate topics?

Jim

1/3/2019 02:43:33 pm

Patrick:
"The ability to accurately measure latitude was around for, at minimum, over a thousand years prior to the 12th century. Any disagreement there?"

Yes, there is lots of disagreement there, for all intents and purposes we are discussing a western (European) map and no one was able to measure longitude in the Atlantic ocean until almost the beginning of the 19th century' with the invention of a marine clock.

So Patrick, whom are you claiming that could measure longitude in the 2nd century ?

Patrick:
"Arabic astronomers had several methods to determine longitude by the 9th century, or so. It is remarked upon in an Arabic treatise (I believe on astrolabes) in a very nonchalant manner, so nonchalant that they didn't describe but one of them. Off-hand I can't recall the author,"

Gimme a break !

One more question for you, Did the Templars know how to measure Longitude ???,,,,,,,Yes or no Patrick, none of your waffling.

Joe Scales

1/3/2019 02:45:15 pm

"That particular blog posting was Wolter's."

Yeah, featuring more of your stupidly interpreted data. Just like he featured your reverse negative image of a tree that you insist to this day is evidence of a chancel built adjacent to the windmill known as the Newport Tower.

A glutton for punishment you are, making rounds here once more. You complete imbecile.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/3/2019 02:59:49 pm

It should be noted that Oak Island is not a ship at sea, but the problem of establishing Zulu time or the equivalent remains.

If one doesn't remember the name of the source one has no source of course of course. Unless of course the source of course is a horse, the famous Mr. Ed.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/3/2019 04:53:14 pm

Jim-

The ability to determine one's Latitude is archaic. It can be determined by the angles between the Solstices.

Longitude is another matter. This depends upon predicting and timing a Lunar eclipse.

There is more than one type of Longitude. Bust out an encyclopedia. You may even stumble upon the reason for celestial observations made a 45 degrees.

Patrick Shekleton

1/3/2019 03:58:44 pm

It wasn't Mr. Ed, but I do have the source...but not on my cell phone. Good distinction on the at sea verse on land challenge.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/3/2019 05:26:24 pm

As I've been ingesting the information you have so graciously provided, a number of things jump out. Many times, like Beltane, I could see where you were going, before you got there.

For some reason, I am no brilliant mathematician either, you keep getting a value for the diameter of the Moon. 2160
Maybe expand out to a celestial circle.

I haven't made my way back to your post discussing a timing event in January. Could this be timing the rise of the Sun on the 17th?
I have come across references to the sun rising at a special angle on this day over Jerusalem. Always called "The Golden Angle". To be honest... I can't figure out what they're talking about. I have noticed most of the transatlantic voyages start on this day.

Does anyone truly believe the Newport Tower to be a windmill...

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/3/2019 05:44:33 pm

"I have noticed most of the transatlantic voyages start on this day."

Name two.

Just like with Wolter, the smart money says anything you say is either wrong or a lie. Or both.

Jim

1/3/2019 06:51:33 pm

Everyone started their transatlantic voyages on January 17,,,,,to avoid the heat and the summer storms you see. Unfortunately when they got near India (just west of Greenland) they found it was icebound.
This is getting hilarious.
Only Patrick could come up with someone mistaking an Island in the Arctic Ocean for India.
I'll give Chris a pass on the India mistake because he only knew latitude, but Jesus, mistaking an island west of Greenland for India ??? They knew all about latitude,Greenland may be a tich too far north.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/3/2019 06:57:35 pm

"Does anyone truly believe the Newport Tower to be a windmill..."

Yes, its owner Governor Benedict Arnold referred to it as such in writing. Conversely, no one said "We've just arrived and there's a bitchin' tower already here!"

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/3/2019 07:08:15 pm

"Only Patrick could come up with someone mistaking an Island in the Arctic Ocean for India."

And since people had been WALKING to India for millennia how strange that it suddenly becomes an island? And it bears repeating, India's location was not a secret.

Patrick Shekleton

1/3/2019 07:21:19 pm

The Golden Angle, according to Wikipedia, relates to the ratio of two arc lengths of a circle. Just do a simple numbers run using Excel and you will find that the values of 221.1 and 137.9 produce Phi (approximate). Use NOAA Solar Calculator for 17 Jan 2018 in Jerusalem, you will obtain 114.13d sunrise and 246.01d sunset azimuths. Significance? Yep. Early 1300s Gks 1412, 4to had the Earth's diameter, in degrees, as 114 and a half degrees and one particular (114.545454d). This same manuscript has the 22 alna, 8 alna / 7 alna dimensions that are represented by the Newport Tower. The sunrise az on 21 Jun 1362 solstice at the NT was 57.00d. The sunset az was 303.01d. This creates a 114d arc centered around the Due North axis, on the summer solstice, at the NT. The second arc, the one that the Sun travels the horizon on is thus 246d. 17 Jan in Jerusalem and 21 Jun 1362 at the NT have the same horizon travel arcs for the sun. Of course the 90-57-33 (57-33 = 24) values for the 17 Jan/21Jun sun horizon travel arcs devolve into the Megalithic Yard and Cubit series of values. Well, we just nailed a Jerusalem connection, a Phi connection, and a string of other interesting connections. The next thing is to find the PHI solution values of ~222.1d and 137.9d on the geodetic Earth. I know where they are on the tower...I have run into that 222 value many times. See if you can determine how long that event has been celebrated there in Jerusalem.

The imbecile did this is less than ten minutes. If I was really smart, like Joe Scales, I would have done it in less than two minutes. Hey, Joe...fuck you. I'll give you credit in the book for being the dumbest asshole on Colavito's site, but there are others who are running a close second.

Jim

1/3/2019 07:36:17 pm

Patrick:

" Early 1300s Gks 1412, 4to had the Earth's diameter, in degrees, as 114 and a half degrees and one particular (114.545454d)."

Dictionary:

diameter
a straight line passing from side to side through the center of a body or figure, especially a circle or sphere.

Stop the insanity.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/3/2019 08:13:22 pm

114 degrees at the equator or 114 degrees at the Arctic Circle?

Agree on the insanity, but I have to say Patrick, your profanity is disappointing.

Joe Scales

1/3/2019 08:29:01 pm

Well, it certainly must be easier for our friend Patrick to curse yours truly than to admit his life's work has been a foolish, bungling endeavor, fueled by painful imbecility and an overwhelming compulsion to be misled by scheming charlatans.

Jim

1/4/2019 11:12:19 am

Is this Patrick announcing that he too will be releasing a book,,,,,groan.

" I'll give you credit in the book for being the dumbest asshole on Colavito's site, but there are others who are running a close second."

As a title, Patrick, I recommend:

"How the Templars Founded India Near Greenland and Disguised their Chancel as a Tree"

or

"How To Prove Anything Using Pseudo Mathematics"

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/5/2019 09:07:35 pm

"2160 is the diameter of the Moon, and the number of years in 1 "Great Moonth". Making 72 years 1 degree"

Please explain the math there. Sad.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/5/2019 02:53:52 am

Patrick,

If possible, locate the Northeast corner.

Have any of the 8 pillars been checked for a hollow?

"Geometric Time" would be a great title. It's exactly what you have been explaining.

2160 is the diameter of the Moon, and the number of years in 1 "Great Moonth".
Making 72 years 1 degree

According to the Gregorian calendar, we will move from Pisces to Aquarius in this year. According to another calendar, we are already in the Age of Aquarius. Very interesting how the Newport Tower looks like a cup. Keep pouring out the Water.

Actually, the NT looks a lot like the cylinders used for pendulums. Especially ones proposed to time Venus. In a way, the tower does swing like a pendulum.

Are you familiar with the story of throwing a golden apple in front of the goddess to slow her down? Three golden apples are used in total.
The three golden apples are Orion's Belt. I'm not sure which goddess is being timed, the Moon, or Venus. If I'm visualizing either scenario correctly, seems useful for navigation at sea. If the goddess is the Moon, tides come into play. Every time, I try to take a drink, the water recedes. Every time, I pull back from the water, it returns.

Patrick Shekleton

1/5/2019 06:38:21 am

Anthony, Colavito's blog is not the place for you to contemplate esoteric stuff. Science and esotericism are opposite endeavors. All of us know that you are passionate in contemplating the associations that you do. If that is your interest, then keep on with it. Everyone has different interests and different ways of looking at the same thing. This being said, discussion about esoteric topics and associations is not going to be well-received on this blog. It is likely that some might make disparaging comments towards you or about what you have written - though they need NOT to. Stick with Wolter's blog...there are likely more folks who are in tune with what you are passionate about.

Joe Scales

1/5/2019 09:31:20 am

"Stick with Wolter's blog...there are likely more folks who are in tune with what you are passionate about."

Yes, other morons.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/5/2019 01:42:48 pm

Is this then "Anthony Warren" the guy who uses his middle name as his last name because he kept getting slapping down on the grounds of nonsense when he posted on archaelogy/anthropology websites?

Jim

1/5/2019 02:43:03 pm

Sounds a lot like the "Anthony Warren" from Wolters blog.
Who else would ask Patrick to "locate the Northeast corner." of the round Newport Tower ?

Patrick:
"It is likely that some might make disparaging comments towards you or about what you have written - though they need NOT to."

Good grief, you two come on this blog spouting utter nonsense and wonder why people call you on it ?
At least Wolter and his usual band of nutcases restrict themselves to faking documents and relics. You on the other hand think you can fake mathamatics ! Do you realize how utterly stupid it is to present fake mathamatics ? The flat earthers are more convincing than you are.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/5/2019 01:03:18 pm

"More of the same goddam nonsense." 2160 is the diameter of ANY spheroid, providing you pick the right units. You don't use units at all so again we've circled quickly back to nonsense.

Goldilocks and the Three Bears
The Three Little Pigs
Three little maids from school are we, filled to the brim with girlish glee (keep pouring it out)
Three CIA Directorates
Three's Company

ALL ORION. FACT.

Patrick Shekleton

1/5/2019 11:37:27 am

”Joe Scales, 1/3/2019 11:06:37 am: “Jesus Christ Jason... GROW A PAIR, will you? You set up your rebuttal most unfairly with this bit of paraphrasing, as if to embrace some sort of indignant victimhood.”

Less than ten hours later, Joe decides to pull out his own ‘indignant victimhood’ card when he realizes that he is missing something…his own set:

“Joe Scales, 1/3/2019 08:29:01 pm: “Well, it certainly must be easier for our friend Patrick to curse yours truly…”

Thanks for the memories, Joe!

Joe Scales

1/5/2019 01:07:37 pm

Only in your dreams would I ever be your victim.
Imbecile.

Patrick Shekleton

1/5/2019 05:13:47 pm

Good Lord, Jim...I had no idea that you wanted to compete against Joe for the book credit. The term "fake mathematics" is a bit of an oxymoron, but it just might propel you to the front. Keep up the good work!!

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/5/2019 05:47:22 pm

The diameter of the moon is 2160. Sad.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/5/2019 06:10:22 pm

Patrick,

My suggestion for finding the NE corner was intended for the features suggesting a Chancel, NOT the circular tower. I was not telling you to go into a circular room, and seek a corner. Going by past experience, something can always be found in either the northeast corner, or a hollowed pillar.

Again, I appreciate the links. I now understand why our sacred American documents were signed with the planets in Virgo. You've stripped away some of the bs gloss of goddess worship.

Patrick Shekleton

1/5/2019 06:41:50 pm

AW, go find the reference which stated that January 17 in Jerusalem was some celebration of the Golden Angle. Then pass it along.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/5/2019 06:48:36 pm

"I now understand why our sacred American documents were signed with the planets in Virgo."

I don't think you understand how the Zodiac "works". Sad.

Joe Scales

1/7/2019 10:34:54 am

Patrick,
When you're here, we expose your suspect methodology, your refusal to recognize reality and your questionable mental acuity. But you should be aware however, that I will not accuse you of intellectual dishonesty as you do not suffer the burden of actually having an intellect. As for your book, considering no one will actually read it, further efforts on our part in said regard will not be necessary.

Jim

1/6/2019 12:52:33 pm

OMG Patrick,,,, is the chancel in a tree going to be in this book, isn't it ? Perhaps your crowning achievement in your "research" ?
You seem to be going hard with this nonsense.

https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/rpp.114338978642314/1979415978801262/?type=3&theater

Wow, look at page 9 in this link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u8ovzRtX3Kommd-FjS0aZlNk1Dx0MEgi/view?fbclid=IwAR3mycuotTUuiUTz-J4OywPpqecaA2RUyz7EwwzD2_5gNKE6a46j44dYRvM

That is hilarious. Let's just pretend the feature found in 2007 is in the same place as as the imaginary chancel.
Really Patrick, you would have to be legally blind not to notice that those two things are not in the same place.
And let's pretend it wasn't later established that all those amateurs actually found (2007 feature) was remains of an old path or walkway in the park.
Are you seriously putting this in your book ?

Accumulated Wisdom

1/6/2019 05:51:38 pm

Patrick,

The circle you have identified on the NT Egg, strongly resembles the symbolism of a Rosebud Window. Therefore, I would venture to speculate this circle represents a Venus alignment.

The repeated references to Corn is Spica. Whether the goddess is holding a Sheaf of wheat, corn, or barley, She is holding Spica.
"The bright star Spica, in Virgo, lies within the path of the Moon, and is of great use to Navigators."

I'm sure you are aware Spica is part of the 4 fixed signs. Like, "Regulus is a very bright star and is situated almost exactly in the ecliptic. It is therefore of great use to Navigators in determining the longitude at sea."

Navigation is a common theme!

I don't sweat Zeppo, Shemp, or Curly Joe. They confuse a hobby with a life's work. I really don't care if they get it or not. There are billions of people on this planet, not just sock-puppet-jockeys.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/6/2019 07:18:17 pm

Uh, Virgo is not one of the four fixed signs. Is there anything you can't fuck up "Anthony Warren"?

YOU confuse "a life's work" with "spouting a bunch of non-sense from the day ward at the mental hospital". I don't even need to say it but I will.

Sad.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/6/2019 08:55:06 pm

Sniffles is correct. I'm on meds and misspoke. I confused Spica in with the 4 "Royal Stars" Aldebaran, Regulus, Antares, and Formalhaut.

I was trying to make a point about celestial navigation. Meds were better than I thought, and Sniffles caught my error. I'm not perfect, and never claimed to be.

american Cool "Disco" Dan

1/6/2019 10:11:09 pm

I FIND IT INSULTING THAT YOU CALL ME SNIFFLES AND AS WE HAVE SEEN FEELING INSULTED IS GROUNDS FOR GETTING YOUR POSTS REMOVED.

On the other hand I'm not a huge pussy. You are light years from perfect and I will continue to point that out. If you are not institutionalized, Anthony "Warren" (we all know your last name) you should be.

Looking forward to your explaining about "all the planets in Virgo" you idiot.

Sad.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/7/2019 01:28:15 pm

Just so we're all on the same page, you were wrong twice. You were wrong, then WHY you were wrong was wrong.

Yet you continue to spout your insane theories.

Sad.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/8/2019 03:07:02 am

Which of the 3 people behind the Dan puppet am I speaking with? Or, do you have some D.I.D. issues there, Sybil?

If, "We all know your last name" as one of your voices claims, then you are privy to the email accounts. How would you get that information, "We"?
IF you know any part of my real name, you would know, I don't lie. You would have checked my football record. You would have seen proof, I did not lie. 2 losses playing at own level, 3 State Championships
I hate to lose, but, I've had a good life.

"Sniffles" is perfect on multiple levels. Sniffling because someone treated you, as YOU treated them. HOGR!
Hypocrites Of Golden Rule!

I'll be sure not to post after taking meds.

Sniffles Hogr are sad people.

Sad.

Sad

😫😨😰

So, so Sad...

A Xanax and a shot of Crown could cheer y'all up? Be sure to get prescriptions!

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/8/2019 02:50:24 pm

Dude, Mental Patient. I know your last name because you posted on Wolter's blog that you stopped using it because of negative feedback from sane people. It was a simple matter of searching for "batshit crazy" to find it.

I once again ask you the question I ask many people: Where are you institutionalized?

Verbum sap: "Meds" are supposed to make you less crazy, not more crazy.

Wolter lets you shit your nonsense all over his comments page and that of course is his prerogative. Here you will be called out on your insanity. Your recent track record is that everything you say is wrong.

Sad.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/8/2019 08:31:18 pm

"ACCUMULATED WISDOM
1/8/2019 03:07:02 am
...
IF you know any part of my real name, you would know, I don't lie. You would have checked my football record. You would have seen proof, I did not lie. 2 losses playing at own level, 3 State Championships"

Mental patients often play the same card over and over. You've already played the make-believe football card, Day Ward.

"AMERICAN COOL "DISCO" DAN
11/29/2018 03:28:34 pm
"It made me realize, yesterday was the 27th anniversary of the State Football Championship my senior year. Won with a core group of guys who all met in junior high. A core group so close and competitive, we only lost two games in 5 years together. The only two games I did not play. Good memories to have come rushing back. Thank you. Only two of us ever discussed ancient mysteries. We had enough Street Smarts to know better."

State Championship.
27th anniversary.
Only lost 2 games.

That makes your story checkable son, and when checked it turns out to be a lie. Imagine our surprise.

I hate to go all Chief Grondine on you but being a lying little faggot is no way to go through life. Top marks in jock sniffing though.

You clearly have no idea of when the Sumerians were moving and grooving. You aspire to be a bullshit artist but you're fingerpainting in a Rembrandt world."

Sad.

Jim

1/7/2019 01:25:52 pm

Next up, Diana Muir's new book:

Templars, Who Were They ? Where Did They Come From ? Where Did They Go

https://www.facebook.com/Nolan3699/photos/a.165417977346323/365952867292832/?type=3&theater&ifg=1

Where did you come from, where did you go?
Where did you come from, Cotton-Eye Knight Templar guy?

From Muir's description:

" Includes lists of more than 2500 Templars, Templar families,,,,,,,,,,,,,and genealogies of Templars and Knights after 1314"

"Templar FAMILIES AND GENEALOGIES",,,,, say what ?
I guess she forgot that the Templars took a vow of chastity that required Templars to be completely celibate.
Or that the Templars were dissolved the Knights Templar in 1312 by the Pope.

Muir's recent comment from Wolters blog:

" I'm not an expert on Templars"

The good news is that Muir has taken a page out of Pulitzer's book and you can pre-order and pay for the book before it's release. (Feb 28)

Jim

1/7/2019 02:10:33 pm

Judging by the comments and description from here:

https://www.facebook.com/Nolan3699/photos/a.165417977346323/365952867292832/?type=3&theater&ifg=1

I am betting Miur is: Beyond Oak Island : Americas Treasures / Nolan3699,,,,,,calls it her personal blog.

" Why do you follow my blog when you obviously have an issue"

Yup,,, pretty sure it is her,,,,,,lol

Beyond Oak Island : Americas Treasures:

" they didn't use fractions until the 17th century."

https://www.facebook.com/Nolan3699/photos/a.165417977346323/360131447874974/?type=3&theater

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/7/2019 03:02:03 pm

Ms. Muir is out in a wilderness where the stars are strange and DSM is of no avail. Sad.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/8/2019 04:52:54 am

Patrick,

Have you ever used the info of the two known postholes to plot, and layout the remaining 14 spots with orange cones? Wouldn't want to disturb the ground yet. The NT had to have started off as a 16 pole wooden henge before, the final calibrations were made. This had to have started before1362. I know Scott Wolter has faith in those diaries, and his name of the KRS Carver. I do not share that faith. This had to be laid out before 1362. There are two men alleged to have been in the area prior 1362. Paul Knudson (hope I spelled correctly) and a monk named Nicholas. They may not have built the structure, I find it likely, they laid the groundwork!

I agree with your interpretation of the trademarked "Hooked X" as and abbreviation for the Autumn Equinox. My phone doesn't have the Latin Symbols used in your posts. BRILLIANT! I saw you gave credit to Mr. Colavito for some Latin help. That's real life intestinal fortitude. Judging by the apparent contentious relationship between Mr. Colavito and Mr. Wolter. That's between them, and none of my bidness.

If the circle on the egg is indeed a Venus alignment, it is likely a once, every eight years event. Also likely difficult to prove definitively. Her ability to cast a shadow ain't what it used to be.

I didn't realize you were publishing a book, or seeking television time. Seems like you are just explaining how the tower works. Much respect for the work of Mr. Egan and others. Would most certainly buy the first round if, I ever met them. Awesome work deserves a beer at least.

🍺 in spirit. Cheers!!! 🍺 round two...

This is still bizarre. The first time I heard of daylight and darkness ratios was is Knight and Lomas's "Uriel's Machine". It was part of their interpretation of the"Book of Enoch". Maybe that's supposed to be an AE combination too.
Since most already think I am crazy, the trademarked "Hooked X" on the Westford Knight, is in between two circles. This also appears to be an Equinox symbol. Nice to strip away the gloss.

Joe Scales

1/8/2019 09:45:55 am

The hook was added to the X by the perpetrator of the Kensington Rune Stone hoax to represent the letter A pursuant to established 19th century use of such runes as a code by Swedish tradesmen to distinguish it from a Roman X.

You imbecile.

Jim

1/8/2019 11:33:38 am

" two known postholes" ,,,,,,Do you gullible fools believe everything ? You only buy what amateur idiots tell you and completely reject what competent professionals reveal.
The supposed "postholes" were put forth by the Chronognostic Research idiots based on a complete misunderstanding of someone else's research from a different site.
You know the Chronognostic Research idiots,,,,,,,, the ones who hired professional archeologists to do work at the Newport Tower and then rejected the professional report because they wanted the evidence to show older than the colonial era that was found by professional archeologists.
So what did they do ? they buried the real report and stiffed the company that did the work.
Ya,,,, lets believe this bunch of dishonest twats. But wait it's run by Jan Barstad, a botanist, surely she knows more about archeology than real archeologists.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/8/2019 02:55:20 pm

Jim,

First. Thank you for the geology links. Need to absorb more information before formulating questions.

Two of my mentors, I affectionately call, "Doc" were Archaeologists. BOTH told me the Newport Tower was a "Norse construction" and "likely tied to Vinland". When, I asked why no one was trying to definitively prove it.
"There is no money in it". I guess no one had tried tying in the Templars.
CHA-CHING!!!

I have followed the links provided by Patrick. I have followed his logic. I have viewed the documented alignments. I have followed along with his calculations. I have considered his interpretation of the trademarked "Hooked X". I also understood his description of the Length of Day ratios. Patrick basically lays out some basic principles of "geometric time".

I now fully agree with Doc, and Doc C.
That's no windmill.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/8/2019 03:01:52 pm

"Do you gullible fools believe everything ? You only buy what amateur idiots tell you and completely reject what competent professionals reveal."

You have reached the nub, the nib, the rub, the crux. Also they reject the written testimony of the "Tower"'s owner. The Newport Tower is at best a two storey structure, not a tower by any stretch of the imagination. As we have seen some of the people involved are insane by any reasonable standard.

Sad.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/8/2019 03:18:33 pm

Guten Tag, Sniffles. If you keep burying your heads in the sand like that...you might just change my orientation. The homeless Tweekers are already lining up.

American cool "disco" dan

1/8/2019 03:34:54 pm

Nothing says "My argument is strong and I can back it up" better than jokes about gay anal sex.

Sad.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/8/2019 03:44:20 pm

This is how you deal with a Klingon.
Fire first.

Respect failed.

Insults seem to be the only language in which you are proficient, or seem to understand.

Hypocrite

All 3 of you

Jim

1/8/2019 03:52:03 pm

Accumulated Wisdom, and who pray tell are these archeologists you speak of ? As far as I know every archeologist that has been involved with the NT has pegged it as a Colonial construct.
Go ahead and name one who disagrees.
Just one archeologist,,,, go ahead,, name one !
Try harder, name one !!

Don't give me this Wolteresque unnamed sources crap.

https://archyfantasies.com/2013/01/14/where-the-vikings-werent-the-newport-tower/

"There are massive and immediate holes in all of these ideas. Hearsay cannot trump evidence, especially in archaeology. We can use a good story to help us formulate a hypothesis, but when the evidence, in the form of artifacts and now ground history, doesn’t support that hypothesis, we must decide on the side of the evidence. Clearly this was not done in this case, and it’s upsetting."

Accumulated Wisdom

1/8/2019 04:17:34 pm

One man is dead, and I am unsure about Doc C. Living or dead, I will not throw these men to the Wolves.

I, myself, as an inquisitive, educated mind, fully stand behind the conclusions of Mr. Patrick Shekelton, regarding the design, and function of the Newport Tower.

I have taken the time to investigate the evidence he provides. I was educated further by the diligent work of Jim Egan. I have never met either men. I first knew Mr. Patrick Shekelton was on to my working visualization, when he mentioned the day/night ratios of 8 and 22 on another site.

My conclusion:

If you think the tower was built as a windmill, there might be something wrong with you. Too lazy to read FREE links. Some frontal lobe, or amygdala issue. Possibly incapable of shifting thought patterns concerning measurements of time. Mr. Patrick Shekelton lays the information out, where most should be able to grasp the concepts.

Name one other windmill with these functions.

Come on, I know you can do it.

You are always right.

Please name one.

Just one.

Won't you?

American cool "Disco" Dan

1/8/2019 04:20:43 pm

In ACCUMULATED WISDOM, a.k.a. PRICELESS DEFENDER, a.k.a. Anthony Warren, we are witnessing the unraveling of what was once a mediocre mind, probably well suited for work in the Post Office like David Berkowitz. More of his work, a.k.a. insanity may be found in the comments section on Wolter's site.

Sad.

Jim

1/8/2019 04:43:41 pm

"Name one other windmill with these functions.
Come on, I know you can do it.
You are always right.
Please name one.
Just one.
Won't you?"

Wut functions ?
Is this a trick question ?
Or, did you forget to put in part of the question ?

Accumulated Wisdom

1/8/2019 08:03:33 pm

Come on, Jim. Have you not taken the time to read about, and view documented alignments? Don't make me doubt the respect I have for you. Patrick lays it all out. Even how the mortar sample was contaminated.

I now consider this a mute point, and done with this discussion.

Jim

1/8/2019 08:22:48 pm

"I now consider this a mute point,"

The feeling is mootual.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/8/2019 09:07:59 pm

It should be noted that our mental patient Anthony Warren/Priceless Defender/Accumulated Wisdom, while knowing nothing about neurology has taken on a fascination popular among New Agers, the amygdala.

Sad.

Joe Scales

1/9/2019 10:52:28 am

I suppose every building has celestial alignments should you care to create them. And I'm certain you could find any number of buildings that share the Newport Windmill configurations. That's a whole heckuva lot of Templar strongholds out there if your higher education consists of History for Morons 101.

Too bad this high school football phenom couldn't use his skills to attain a true education. It would appear all he got from it is CTE...

Jim

1/9/2019 11:26:05 am

But, but, but,,,,,,,,stone built windmills aren't strong enough to withstand the rigors of milling with wind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_windmills_in_Quebec

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/9/2019 12:34:19 pm

If I were building a building, like a shed, warehouse, or windmill, on a fairly large piece of land, why WOULDN'T I do alignments? It's unavoidably going to be aligned to SOMETHING and I have free choice in the matter. It's fun if nothing else. No need for religion, neither Virgin nor Pigeon.

The fact that both Anthony Warren and Scott Wolter say the "Newport Tower" was NOT a windmill is strongly suggestive that it WAS a windmill.

Jim

1/10/2019 02:49:55 pm

"In Brief: Donald Ruh Confirms That "Templar" Map of Oak Island Is a Fake"

In Brief: Scott Wolter Confirms That Don Ruh's Story of diving in the Hudson River Is a Fake !

I guess the story wasn't unbelievable enough. Wolter says Ruh and co. were diving to retrieve lost munitions in the Hudson river. He claims there was a turn of the century explosion at the munition storage on Bannerman Island that blew a wack of munitions in the river and that Ruh and co. were collecting and selling them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzhajFnMydw

{At about the 21:30 minute mark}

The amount of times Wolter and his ever growing band of book publishers change the story is piling up.
It just amazes me how gullible Wolter is. You can tell him anything, as long as it doesn't go against the grain of his nonsense, he buys in 100%.

American Cool "Disco" dan

1/10/2019 04:05:19 pm

Careful! You're interfering with Diana Muir's retirement fund.

Said it many times but it never gets old: Scott Wolter is an idiot.

Jim

1/10/2019 04:26:53 pm

Ya, poor Diana, pretty sure she missed out on her retirement fund earlier in life.
Looks like she tried to cash in to the tune of $5,350,000.

https://www.immagic.com/eLibrary/ARCHIVES/GENERAL/USCOURTS/G060809C.pdf

Accumulated Wisdom

1/11/2019 01:07:20 am

Jim,

"The feeling is "mootual"

That's what happens when talking into the phone. I say, "moot" and it prints out "mute".
Didn't catch it until after hitting the submit button. I have to admit, this is the first time a Grammar Cop made me laugh, while being busted. Thanks for the chuckle.

Dan's/Sniffles HOGR,

Y'all had an interesting interpretation of my head in the sand comment. Now, I will splain it.

The impossibility of changing my orientation, could be made possible by, the way you were so brilliantly showing your backsides.
The homeless Tweekers weren't lining up to rape you. As y'all apparently thought, or fantasized. They were lining up to steal everything you own. You would pull your heads out, and find your houses devoid of copper.

Tweekers don't think. They just steal.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/11/2019 03:31:22 pm

No one steals copper from built houses, they steal it from construction sites you stupid fucking idiot.

Sad.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/11/2019 04:48:59 pm

Dietzen dobri, HOGR!

How wrong you are.

Beyond sad.

Way past pathetic

You have obviously never been to the American Midwest. When Tweekers break in to built homes. They often bust out walls to retrieve their coveted prize.

My point still stands. You read into it, what YOU wanted. Says more about you, than I.

American Cool "Disco" Dan

1/11/2019 10:08:55 pm

I don't get back to Lanford too often, but getting corrected by a mental patient... sad.

Jim

1/12/2019 01:24:40 pm

Our Diana crosses swords with Steve St Clair and others over the Templars and Prince Henry.
Quite humorous.

Diana: "You're such an ass"
Steve: "I am to people who take advantage of the Saint-Clair family in almost exactly the same way they attempted to take advantage of the LDS."

https://www.facebook.com/groups/115539001797/permalink/10156893549936798/

Jim

1/12/2019 08:02:45 pm

Also, It appears Muir is reviewing her own books pretending to be someone else. Doesn't appear to realize one should use a pseudonym when faking a review.

"Totally accurate!!!"
"I liked the honesty of the writer"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AHBE3UBRUQAXVLTKCCFTELCM7QAA/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_gw_tr?ie=UTF8

Accumulated Wisdom

1/12/2019 03:08:24 pm

Patrick,

I am not aware of any celebrations of the Golden Angle. Saint Anthony the Great was born on January 12, and died on January 17th. Then there is the association of the 17th to St. John the Baptist.

Happy Birthday, Saint Anthony!

Joe Scales

1/14/2019 08:08:48 pm

Don't look now, but America Unearthed is being re-aired on the Travel Channel. Could it be an omen of good things to come? Might the television show he's been teasing for the Spring be getting a reboot on Travel Channel?

Stay tuned!

Hans

1/19/2019 10:37:18 pm

http://hans-k-buhrer.000webhostapp.com/docs/1179_map_rip.pdf

Jim

1/25/2019 06:55:55 pm

From Wolters blog entry:

"Mr. Ruh will be happy to answer any questions pertaining to this blog post."

From the Comments:

Anonymous:
"Mr. Ruh, on page 325 *your index* you show a diagram, Figure 250, Hugh de Payens Ancestry Chart, compliments of Clifford Bosworth 1967.,,,,,,,,,, I went to his book series of that year. This ancestry chart is not remotely in that book. Why?

Wolter:
"Don said he's not going to answer questions from people who comment as "Anonymous."

https://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-truth-about-oak-island-and-cremona.html

Jim

1/26/2019 10:14:35 am

Ruh finally answers a question, sort of, (the second one posed to him) and than says this:

"In the future I refuse to answer any questions unless the sender identifies themselves by name and email. Please post this on my behalf. Thanks. Eye Surgery limits my time on the computer."

Apparently, having sore eyes precludes him from answering any questions by anonymous posters. Jeez he was only asked 2 questions in a month and complained about both of them. So much for:

"Mr. Ruh will be happy to answer any questions pertaining to this blog post."

Joe Scales

1/28/2019 12:39:47 pm

Someone might want to ask him for a complete list of his forged/faked documents and artifacts; considering he has admitted to doing this. And old age is supposed to make you wiser...

Accumulated Wisdom

1/28/2019 07:41:02 pm

Patrick Shekelton,

In the picture taken December 23rd at 14:44
there is a pointer on the column to the right. Reminds me of "The Price is Right" wheel spin, without the wheel. Just above this "pointer" is a number. Not sure if this "number" has been identified, or the "pointer".

Cool picture!!! Love the point of light, and the crescent.

I am not sure if Capella is in the rituals of Freemasonry, but, Capella was known as "The Heart of Brahma". That pesky heart symbol does pop up. Occasionally on versions of the "Jolly Roger".

Anthony Warren

Jim

1/28/2019 07:47:21 pm

Can you do this elsewhere ? ,,,, this isn't a private chatroom.

Joe Scales

1/29/2019 10:59:39 am

Anthony is begging for Patrick's email address over on the Good Ship Lollypop... I mean, Wolter's blog. I can only imagine the sort of crazed, asinine ramblings this guy promulgates online to others on what is probably a near constant basis.

Patrick, if you're still here. I'd advise that you step away from the lunatic. Or maybe marry him. Your choice.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/28/2019 09:28:10 pm

Patrick and anyone else following the links provided in this post,

There appears to be symbols on the "pointer" as well.

Follow ALL of the links, Jim. That is not a windmill.

Joe Scales

1/29/2019 10:55:47 am

Anthony, you imbecile.
That's it. You imbecile.

Accumulated Wisdom

1/29/2019 04:23:43 pm

Joe Scales/Niel Dickson Dan's mouth,

You are more then welcome to believe that Tower was a windmill. No skin off my back.

Jim,

Thank you for the Geology information. All of the men who mentored me, considered Geology a bullpoopy science. If you are the "Modified Deist" Jim, it was pleasant conversing with you again.

I am DONE with this thread.

Jack

12/21/2020 08:12:28 am

Anybody who paid attention in grade-school French and has a modicum of respect for languages can clearly see that the map is a) recent and b) untrustworthy and written by someone who had at best a moderate understanding of the language.

If you know French, you know certain vowels have accents, such as ê in chêne (oak).

However, certain accents were only adopted recently to simplify spelling. In this instance, prior to the last grammatical reformation in the mid 1700's, oak would have been spelled chesne, and pronounced slightly differently. Without that s in the middle, or the accent on the e, prior to 1700, the words chene would have at best been thought to mean chains, but more likely to have been unintelligible.

Trappe is also a misnomer, and the date is scrawled on in such a way as to clearly make it look like it means distance and not year.

There are actually a lot of other clues: the f isn't calligraphed correctly for anything prior to the 1700's, is the first one that comes to mind...

Trust me, this map is no more than junk, and I'd place as much faith in it as a map drawn by an american teenager at school today.

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