In this day and age, some 135 years after Ignatius Donnelly wrote Atlantis: The Antediluvian World, it is strange to see someone actually accepting Donnelly’s claims as factual, much less working from Donnelly’s book to propose a research program to find Hell. Yes, you read that right: Brad Yoon of Ancient Origins actually claims that using insights from Donnelly’s Atlantis, we can find the real-life inspiration for Hell, which he places in the Caribbean Sea. The argument is one of the odder ones I’ve heard in a while. “I shall extend Donnelly’s thesis and undertake an in-depth analysis of the underworld and where it may have been, and how a real and physical place might have become transformed into the final resting place of souls departed both in the physical and the mythological planes.” To understand Yoon’s argument requires a little background, which I will try to simplify as much as possible. The Christian concept of heaven and hell is a bit of a latecomer in cosmological terms, sitting atop the earlier Hebrew conception of the shadowy underworld of Sheol and the divine heaven of Yahweh, and the Greek underworld of Hades and the gods’ home on Olympus. In Hebrew myth, there was once an earthly paradise called Eden, and this has long been compared to the vaguely defined earthly paradise that developed in Greek mythology. The Greek paradise began as three separate entities: the Fortune Isles, which were warm and fertile Atlantic islands; the Islands of Blessed, which were conflated with the Fortunate Islands and originated as the land of the blessed dead in the farthest western reaches of the Ocean; and the Elysian Fields, identified with both as early as Hesiod but which originally seems to have been conceived of as the vast opposite land on the western side of Ocean, a gigantic plain where the noble dead live. All of these concepts appear to be influenced by the Mesopotamian paradise where the righteous Utnapishtim lives in immortal splendor in the Epic of Gilgamesh, a land often incorrectly identified with the ancient kingdom of Dilmun. Such claims are not terribly controversial and have been widely discussed in academic literature. Ignatius Donnelly, however, took all of this and identified all of these lands with Atlantis because a majority of them were islands in the Atlantic. Yoon, consequently, believes the revers: Because he assumes Atlantis is real, it therefore follows that these imaginary (or at least exaggerated) paradises must have been the very real Atlantis. Consequently, he believes he can use the same methodology to find the Underworld’s real-life counterpart. Yoon chooses to follow the Greeks when looking for the Underworld, even though theirs is not the oldest on record. While Mesopotamian cultures placed the entrance to the Underworld at the mountain gate in the East where the Sun emerged from his nightly judgment of the dead, the Greeks envisioned the Underworld as being all over the place. Hesiod places a single bronze entrance in the farthest west, on the edge of the Ocean. Homer places entrances in several places. Odysseus travels to the farthest west, but there is evidence that this is an inversion of an earlier story in the oral Argonautic corpus of an eastern entrance. (For example, Homer himself describes several eastern lands in terms borrowed from a voyage to the Underworld.) Homer also has Heracles defeat Hades at Pylos, which many scholars interpret as a corruption of an older story featuring the gates (pyloi) of the Underworld. In other myths, characters like Orpheus and Theseus descend to the Underworld from various locations. Yoon elects to locate the Greek Underworld in the farthest west, and he consequently wants to find a dry, habitable basin below sea level that the Greeks would have interpreted as an underworld. He thinks the Caribbean is this location. But before we deal with that, we must first deal with Yoon’s misconceptions, born of his desire to mix and match terminology as convenient: In the Odyssey, a myth dating back to the Heroic Age of Greece, Homer portrays the underworld as a gloomy realm of deceased spirits and shades. However, in myths that depict events taking place in the distant past, Hades is described as an abode of the living. For example, in the myth of the Titanomachy, or the war between the Titans and the Olympians, Zeus, son of Kronus, rebelled against his father and the Titans, the elder race of Gods, and emerged victorious in a ten-year-long war. Upon his victory, Zeus imprisoned the defeated Titans in Tartarus. There is no mention of spirits, shades, and ghosts in this version of Hades, and if Hesiod had called Hades and Tartarus by another name, one would hardly suspect that the setting of this war between the Titans and the Olympians was in any way a spiritual realm. Did you catch the conflation? “Hades” is not synonymous with “Tartarus.” The Greek Underworld was composed of different parts. As Homer himself says in the Iliad (8.17), Tartarus is “as far beneath Hades as heaven is above earth.” Hesiod echoes the same claim. It is astonishing that Yoon knows this but nevertheless fails to distinguish between the general realm of Hades and the deepest level of Tartarus when it isn’t convenient to do so. But even in a mythological sense, Yoon is wrong because he does not distinguish between the eras of Greek mythic history. There were no spirits, shades, or ghosts when the Titans were chained in Tartarus because humans hadn’t been created yet. The battle of the Titans and the Olympians occurred before the creation of humanity, and therefore there were no ghosts to populate the Underworld until Prometheus and Epimetheus formed men from clay. The Titanomachy did not occur in Tartarus, but in Thessaly, according to standard Classical authors.
In short, Yoon doesn’t understand the subject he wishes to discourse on, and therefore his arguments fail the simple test of factual accuracy. Consequently, there is no reason to support Yoon’s claim that the Underworld’s Greek depiction shifted from a land of the “living” to the realm of the “dead.” It was a supernatural prison from beginning to end.
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Scott David Hamilton
3/31/2017 11:12:19 am
I'm perversely curious how Yoon landed on the Caribbean, which doesn't strike me as particularly dry, let alone dark and shadowy.
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Shane Sullivan
3/31/2017 11:29:44 am
Funny story: my dad was arrested in the Dominican Republic back in the 70s, although unlike Tartarus, his children were not responsible for his imprisonment their.
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Bob Jase
3/31/2017 01:54:49 pm
maybe he was thinking of one of those cruise ships that had an outbreak of lower g. i. disease?
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Americanegro
3/31/2017 03:57:20 pm
Leaving aside the question of how the Greeks knew it was there, include me in the group that doesn't understand how the Caribbean is either "dry" or "below sea level".
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Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 04:29:16 pm
Sorry. I've written almost all of my articles on Ancient Origins and have fallen into the habit of assuming people are familiar with the theories I discussed in my earlier articles.
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 04:35:22 pm
2) I also discovered evidence of structures using Google Earth in the Caribbean Basin that could not have been created naturally, provided that the structures are actually faithfully represented by Google Earth and are not image artifacts. For example, a nearly vertical, mile-high cliff on the western boundary of the St. Croix Basin. (The basin is named but the cliff is not). Also, I believe that the Muertos Trough is manmade, and not natural as geologists have concluded. These and other features on the bottom of the Caribbean Sea convinced me that the Caribbean Basin must have been dry and inhabited at one time when humans had already evolved, and moreover that an advanced civilization as advanced as ourselves had inhabited this basin (the structures must have required advanced industrial equipment to construct).
Americanegro
3/31/2017 05:37:16 pm
So were the mountains man-made or natural? A civilization advanced enough to construct a mile-high cliff but gets flooded out?
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 06:11:44 pm
Well, in my view, the mountains were entirely natural. Like I said in another comment to this post, I believe that the West Indies island arc is the remnant of a once contiguous landmass that extended all the way from Florida to Venezuela. This contiguous landmass would have, together with what is now the Central American isthmus and the northernmost boundary of South America, completely encircled the Caribbean Basin, thus isolating it from the Atlantic Ocean. And because there is an excess of evaporation over the sum of precipitation and runoff in the Caribbean region, the Caribbean Sea would have evaporated away much as the landlocked Mediterranean Sea evaporated away during the Messinian Salinity Crisis millions of years ago.
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 06:14:32 pm
Sorry, mile high cliff, not mile high city.
Americanegro
3/31/2017 06:20:16 pm
I like to hear more about the construction of the mile high cliff.
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 06:48:30 pm
I wasn't there, so I don't know how it was constructed! But I'll make a guess. The mile-high cliff, as I said earlier, forms the western boundary of a smaller basin - the St. Croix Basin, which is located within the larger Caribbean basin. I suppose that the smaller St. Croix Basin was already present when the Atlanteans or whoever was living there settled in the basin, and was originally just a natural formation. Then, the Atlanteans decided to make one of the sides of the basin into a steep wall for whatever reason. Maybe the St. Croix Basin was meant to be a reservoir to provide waters to irrigate the nearby plain (the Venezuelan Plain that is roughly 2000 x 3000 stadia, and resembling the plain of Atlantis mentioned by Plato). I really don't know though. But it's not clear why the St. Croix Basin would have had to have a steep, almost vertical cliff in order to function as a reservoir. But again, I believe they already found a preexisting small basin about a mile deep and made one of its sides a steep cliff instead of excavating the entire basin first, which would have required much more work.
Americanegro
3/31/2017 08:18:48 pm
Why do we not see any Egyptian tales of Atlantis?
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 09:58:56 pm
Why do we not see any Egyptian tales of Atlantis?
Americanegro
4/1/2017 12:28:13 am
I shudder when I reflect on how many quatloos someone spouting this nonsense would fetch on Triskelion.
Mr. Pyramid
4/1/2017 07:18:33 pm
"…most of Egyptian history was lost after the Greek, Roman, and Islamic conquests. The Egyptians forgot how to speak and understand their own language."
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 10:23:59 pm
How can you explain the numerous similarities between Egyptian and Pre-Inca/Inca cultures?http://www.richardcassaro.com/suppressed-by-scholars-the-mystery-of-twin-cultures-egyptians-incas-on-opposite-sides-of-the-globe
Only Me
4/1/2017 10:31:20 pm
"How can you explain the numerous similarities between Egyptian and Pre-Inca/Inca cultures?"
Americanegro
4/1/2017 11:54:54 pm
Now that I know that Big Academia is suppressing the truth, I may have to reconsider my dismissal of what seemed to me to be nonsense.
Finn
4/4/2017 05:33:58 am
"How can you explain the numerous similarities between Egyptian and Pre-Inca/Inca cultures?"
An Over-Educated Grunt
3/31/2017 11:27:04 am
This the same Brady Yoon who used to post here about how Greeks were just plain better? If so I'm not terribly surprised. Arguing with him was like shooting fish in a barrel with a grenade launcher. It isn't difficult, but it's deeply unsatisfying and not very rewarding.
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Only Me
3/31/2017 02:49:36 pm
I'm curious if Yoon is choosing the Caribbean Sea due to a circular geographical feature. He did argue Atlantis is real because circles, after all.
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Jonathan E. Feinstein
3/31/2017 03:01:53 pm
I just assumed he had chosen the Caribbean as a desirable locale in which to write off a vacation as a business trip.
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Only Me
3/31/2017 03:32:47 pm
I ask because Jason pointed out, "In the end, he tries to argue that a Google Earth artifact in the Caribbean that resembles concentric circles must be Atlantis" here: 3/31/2017 03:50:23 pm
Short answer: Yes. Atlantis was paradise, but then it was destroyed and became the Underworld.
Jim
3/31/2017 03:55:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAOANmzOiHg
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 04:14:46 pm
Why I Believe the Caribbean was Hades...
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Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 04:18:08 pm
P.S. I was replying to Only Me and Scott David Hamilton in the comment above.
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SDO
4/1/2017 10:31:34 pm
Thanks! I was having a bad day and needed a good laugh.
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Uncle Ron
3/31/2017 04:42:33 pm
But, the Caribbean basin was NOT dry, below sea level, and inhabited contemporaneously with modern man.
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Uncle Ron
3/31/2017 04:55:05 pm
I seismic event that would sink the land in the Caribbean 2000 feet would have created a tsunami of nearly global proportions. Not to mention that the mass under the basin would have had to go somewhere. The event would have been worse than the impact that killed off the dinosaurs. Nothing like that has happened during the time that man has been on earth.
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Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 05:03:18 pm
I'm not saying that the entire Caribbean collapsed 2000 ft. I'm saying that the West Indies island arc was once a continuous chain of land that extended all the way from Florida to South America near Venezuela just like the Central American isthmus is a continuous chain of land. Together, these two landmasses (the continuous W. Indies archipelago and what is now the Central American isthmus) isolated the Caribbean Sea from the world ocean. Because the Caribbean region has an excess of evaporation over precipitation and runoff, the Caribbean Sea would have evaporated away if it were isolated, just as the Mediterranean Sea became isolated and dried up several million years ago.
Finn
4/4/2017 05:38:12 am
"I'm saying that the West Indies island arc was once a continuous chain of land that extended all the way from Florida to South America near Venezuela"
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 04:59:30 pm
Type in the following 17°58'39.04" N 64°14'06.43" W on Google Earth. Then, look to the northwest using the compass. How could the mile-high cliff that you see have been created naturally? If it wasn't made by nature, then it must have been made by our ancestors (the alien hypothesis can be excluded by Occam's Razor). But since it was made by our ancestors, the Caribbean Basin must have been dry when it was built (nobody would have built a structure like that underwater). Therefore, the Caribbean Basin was dry contemporaneously with "modern" man.
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An Over-Educated Grunt
3/31/2017 05:54:33 pm
And you have, I presume, a bathymetric survey to back up your Google Earth source? If you don't, ask William of Ockham if you can borrow his razor again and go back to "imagery artifact." Keep in mind that to support this conclusion in the face of known, existing geology will require your underwater survey to include evidence of worked surfaces that could not have formed naturally.
David Bradbury
3/31/2017 06:25:38 pm
83°40'43.04" N 179°59'54.47" W is also fun.
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 07:28:36 pm
Sorry I don't have the money and time to do that.
Only Me
3/31/2017 06:46:15 pm
Brady, I can point to three examples that undermine the following statement:
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Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 07:19:24 pm
The Earth is a big place, so if a formation is a product of a natural process, one should expect there to be more than one example of said formation...no? There isn't just one mile-deep canyon, one symmetrical conical volcano, one flat-topped mesa, or using your examples, one pyramid-shaped mountain, one flat-topped plateau, or one rock formations similar to Yonaguni.
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Only Me
3/31/2017 07:59:05 pm
"The Earth is a big place, so if a formation is a product of a natural process, one should expect there to be more than one example of said formation...no?"
Americanegro
3/31/2017 08:19:49 pm
Nice pwning.
Americanegro
3/31/2017 08:21:57 pm
Clearly the Atlanteans constructed Uluru.
V
4/1/2017 06:59:26 pm
1. What are now "the tropics" at one time did reside in or near glacial areas, during the time of Pangaea, just as what are now the poles existed in the tropics at that time. This is the nature of continental drift.
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 08:25:19 pm
1 and 2: Those are good points.
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 08:26:39 pm
Correction: 2 cubic miles.
BigNick
4/1/2017 09:27:03 pm
Nobody should "assume" anything. Conclusions should be based on evidence, and until you examine the "cliff" up close, then you have none.
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 10:00:06 pm
Say that to the astronomers who work outside of the visible spectrum. You'd get laughed out of the room. Evidence is not limited to what you can examine up close. Your definition of science takes us back to the Middle Ages, if not before.
Only Me
4/1/2017 10:42:13 pm
"Evidence is not limited to what you can examine up close."
Only Me
4/1/2017 10:51:16 pm
"Yes, it is" is incomplete. Here's the full line:
BigNick
4/2/2017 01:28:05 am
I'm not sure if it was astronomers or not, but Viking I took a picture of the Martian surface that looked like a two mile wide face on mars. They never said it was a carved face. Subsequent pictures of the area show it is clearly not a man made object. You, by contrast, found something on Google earth, said it was real, came up with a theory about the Caribbean basin Draining, and applied that to at least three other theorys: Atlantis, hell, and the rainbow bridge. I am a ditch digger by trade, but even I know there is a next step that must be taken before publishing a theory like that.
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 09:29:34 pm
But it's not the height of the cliff that distinguishes this underwater cliff from those you've mentioned. (I’ve Googled all of them). It's not even the steepness. I measured the cliff to be almost exactly 68 degrees, but there are cliffs that are steeper and almost as high (i.e. Half Dome and El Capitan in Yosemite).
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Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 09:34:54 pm
Corrections:
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Americanegro
4/1/2017 12:12:25 am
tl;dr
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 09:30:25 pm
Sorry, this is in reply to Only Me.
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Only Me
3/31/2017 10:14:34 pm
Sorry, Brady, but you're moving the goalposts and I'm gonna have to throw the flag.
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Weatherwax
3/31/2017 10:30:20 pm
Not too mention making grand conclusions based on low res photos of an area you haven't inspected or even researched.
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 10:35:23 pm
Nice try, but I would have had to set up a goalpost for you to legitimately accuse me of moving it. And I did no such thing. When I described the cliff as a "mile high cliff," I wasn't setting up the terms of the debate, I was merely coming up with a convenient name to describe the feature being discussed, which is not named. Would I have had to call it the "mile-high, almost vertical, uniform cliff" for you to not accuse me of setting up a goalpost? You created the goalpost in your mind when you took my description of the cliff as the terms of debate, and are now accusing me of moving what you yourself created.
Only Me
3/31/2017 10:54:13 pm
Sorry, Brady, but the goalpost wasn't your description of the cliff. It was your insistence that it was a one-of-a-kind formation that couldn't be the result of natural processes. You have yet to produce a convincing rebuttal.
Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 11:07:03 pm
Ok, then, let me address your counterclaim directly. You say, "Uniformity exists in nature. You are imposing your confirmation bias on a geographical feature formed by natural processes. That was the point of my previous comment about von Däniken,
Only Me
3/31/2017 11:55:26 pm
"On what basis do you deny that a structure with such quantitative tolerances is not one of a kind?"
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 12:47:16 am
I don't have the data, so I'll do the best I can with what I do have.
Only Me
4/1/2017 02:05:01 am
"I have provided an example of a steep, inclined underwater formation that is accurately represented by Google Earth. Therefore, if you wish to argue that the other steep, inclined underwater feature we're talking about is not accurately represented by Google Earth, the burden of proof lies on you."
Jim
4/1/2017 02:13:15 am
It's a glitch in google earth. See the link I provided below, for a Bathymetric Data Viewer.
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 04:06:49 pm
Replying to both Only Me and Jim
Only Me
4/1/2017 04:57:46 pm
First, Jim isn't saying the cliff is a glitch. He's referring to the circular pattern you say is Atlantis or Hell, which others believe to be an image artifact. If I'm wrong, I'm sure Jim will let me know.
Jim
4/1/2017 05:04:38 pm
Brady Yoon: I have no Idea what you are talking about ! The Muertos Trough is shown plain as day in great detail on the NOAA map !!!! I think you are confusing it with another glitch??
Jim
4/1/2017 05:11:39 pm
Only Me: I haven't even bothered looking at the circular pattern, I'm saying his mile high wall is a glitch.
Jim
4/1/2017 06:10:30 pm
Looking at the NOAA Bathymetric Data Viewer and clicking on the Multibeam Bathymetric Surveys feature it becomes obvious that these straight line swath features or "walls" are nothing more than surveys conducted by ships travelling in a straight line.The data is added to the map as a distinctly more detailed area.
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 06:11:00 pm
To Jim: You're either misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I've said. I never said the Muertos Trough cannot be seen in the NOAA maps!! What I did say was that Google Earth shows the Muertos Trough at a higher resolution and with greater detail than NOAA, and cited as an example the scarps on the south side of the trough which are clearly visible in the former and barely noticeable in the latter. And the superior resolution of Google Earth isn't limited to just this feature - look at the sloped mountains that descend from Puerto Rico down to the Muertos Trough on GE and compare that to the level of detail displayed by NOAA. It's evident that the seafloor is mapped to a significantly higher resolution in the GE imagery versus the NOAA imagery.
Jim
4/1/2017 09:02:16 pm
Brady Yoon; If you look at the GE image of the bottom of the escarpment of the Muertos Trough you can see each and every pass made by a survey vessel on north south runs. They all terminate on the bottom east west boundary run. ( part of your wall ?)
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 10:13:37 pm
Because that's as far as the survey ships went?
SDO
4/1/2017 10:46:14 pm
Brady, if more than one example of a "feature" means it is natural, then do these two+ features get created at random points on the earth at the same time? If not, then the first one *must* be non-natural by your logic. I'm one of a kind, was I made by atlanteans?
Jim
4/1/2017 11:00:13 pm
Brady Yoon : Are you being intentionally obtuse ? Those lines run down the escarpment and right through the letters where the Muertos Trough is labelled !! They all terminate right on your "wall" which is in fact obviously an an overlay of another sonar survey run (part of the same program ) that goes around the boundary of the south and then turns north and goes up the east boundary of the survey program.
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 11:04:51 pm
Your comment is irrelevant given what we know about the age of the Earth.
Brady Yoon
4/2/2017 12:30:16 am
I see what you mean now. But wait, you're accusing me of being intentionally obtuse when you keep insisting that the Muertos Trough having a steep cliff on its southern border as seen on GE somehow is helping your case instead of hurting it? Did you see the link to the book that described this very southern limit of the Muertos Trough as being an "escarpment?" I'm sorry, but that's helping my argument, not yours.
Jim
4/2/2017 01:06:13 am
Brady; I am not even sure what you are talking about. I never once said there was a steep southern cliff ! There isn't one in fact ! There is a steep escarpment from the north that drops down into the trough. What you call a steep southern cliff is non existent, it does gradually decline some and then slowly rises going south. If you run your cursor on GE through your "wall" there you will see that what you call a "Wall" most of us would call a depression as it dips down there.
Jim
4/2/2017 02:04:06 am
After further checking the actual depths of your "wall" and following the depths on either side of it I can say confidently that there is simply no wall whatsoever ! The land simply follows the natural contours. Yes it drops steeply at some points, but the steep drops start before the wall and simply continue through it.
Jim
4/2/2017 02:06:51 am
oops Bathymetric survey,,,, now I am done.
BigNick
3/31/2017 10:54:04 pm
So the mile high cliff is proof of atlanteans, he'll, and the rainbow bridge? How does that work, Mr. Yoon?
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Brady Yoon
3/31/2017 11:43:05 pm
No, I argue the following: If Google Earth is accurately representing the feature, then the feature must have been manmade, for no natural process can create a structure of such precision, uniformity, and size. If the feature is manmade, then it was either made underwater, or on dry land. The possibility of the former is so absurd it can be discarded, so the structure must have been built on dry land. But if the land was dry, then the land must have either been above sea level when the structure was constructed and collapsed later on to its present depth, or the Caribbean Basin must have been isolated from the Atlantic Ocean like the Mediterranean Basin was isolated and dry during what geologists call the Messinian Salinity Crisis. But the first alternative can be excluded since there is no known geological mechanism that would allow lands to collapse by a mile, the depth of the formation below sea level. So the latter possibility, namely of a dry and isolated Caribbean Basin, is the only possibility remaining.
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Weatherwax
4/1/2017 12:15:12 am
"If Google Earth is accurately representing the feature, then the feature must have been manmade, for no natural process can create a structure of such precision, uniformity, and size."
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 12:55:24 am
Type the following coordinates (24°24'52.15" N 84°06'30.29" W) into Google Earth, and then look to the northeast. You should see a semicircular canyon with very steep walls. If you have the "Borders and Labels" checkbox checked in your sidebar, and zoom out a bit, you'll see that you're at the Florida Canyon.
Weatherwax
4/1/2017 11:10:11 am
"I have provided an example of a steep, inclined underwater formation that is accurately represented by Google Earth. Therefore, if you wish to argue that the other steep, inclined underwater feature we're talking about is not accurately represented by Google Earth, the burden of proof lies on you."
SDO
4/1/2017 10:59:58 pm
"No, I argue the following: If Google Earth is accurately representing the feature, then the feature must have been manmade, for no natural process can create a structure of such precision, uniformity, and size. '
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 11:16:47 pm
Your argument is valid if you think that the probability of the cliff (if it exists exactly as it appears on GE) having been formed by natural processes is roughly comparable to the probability that an ancient civilization built it. I believe, to the contrary, that as unlikely as the latter possibility is, the former is orders of magnitude more unlikely.
Brady Yoon
4/1/2017 11:20:14 pm
p.s. And the reason we can know that the probability of the formation having been created naturally is so much lower than the probability of a human civilization having created is precisely because no similar structures exist, despite the fact that the earth is so large and is billions of years old. Enough time has passed, and the earth is large enough so that if a structure like that could have been created naturally, a similar structure should exist somewhere on earth.
Fawkes
4/1/2017 11:28:38 pm
Can you explain this sentence:
SDO
4/1/2017 11:53:07 pm
" is precisely because no similar structures exist, "
Brady Yoon
4/2/2017 12:14:36 am
Because we have all of the evidence we need in assessing the probability of such a formation having been created by natural processes. Like I said earlier, it's not even the height of the cliff that makes it exceptional, nor is it the slope, but the uniformity of the slope's dimensions across its entire length, and most remarkably, its almost perfect orientation to true N-S. (5 ft deviation from true north over a mile, which amounts to 2 arc minutes, which is, incidentally, less than the 3 arc minute deviation of the Great Pyramid from true N-S). Since nature shows no bias for any particular alignment, the odds that the cliff's face is aligned to within +/- 2" of true N-S is (360*60)/2 = 5040 to 1 (probability 0.02%). And the probability that a formation like the cliff would be formed naturally with uniform dimensions to a tolerance of 0.1% (such as angle of slope, height, etc.) is also very small, and independent of the alignment. Multiply all of these probabilities and you get a number that's probably less than 1 in 100,000.
Only Me
4/2/2017 12:37:11 am
"Because we have all of the evidence we need..."
Brady Yoon
4/2/2017 01:12:07 am
Plato said that there was a plain, approximately rectangular, with dimensions 2000 stadia x 3000 stadia, or 238 miles * 341 miles. The dimensions of the Venezuelan Plain match these dimensions. Quoting Plato: "But the country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea; it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia."
Only Me
4/2/2017 01:33:13 am
"Plato said..."
Fawkes
4/2/2017 11:13:44 pm
Please explain the 10-30% with numbers. Not stories.
Jim
4/3/2017 12:08:38 am
Fawkes: This type of GE evidence was previously debunked by Google Earth themselves. check this out :
Finn
4/4/2017 05:51:26 am
"We know that the Mediterranean Sea underwent not only one cycle of drying and reflooding, but several."
Jim
3/31/2017 11:30:58 pm
Interactive Bathymetric Data Viewer:
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Jim
4/1/2017 12:02:36 am
Note; You might want to click off " Multibeam Bathymetric Surveys" at the top left to reduce the clutter.
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Weatherwax
3/31/2017 11:34:07 pm
"That the Pyramids of Mesoamerica were built from recycled products of subtractive megalithic processes whose remnants are now underwater."
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tm
4/1/2017 04:00:04 am
This is all just silly. I used to LIVE in Hades, though these days most people just call it Lubbock.
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Fawkes
4/1/2017 08:35:38 am
I'm sorry to all the people who posted interesting commented but what a useless thread. I found Jason's article interesting but since this is all just based on a stupid argument, and Google Earth which contains artifacts from the combination of lots of data there isn't really anything here.
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SDO
4/1/2017 11:04:51 pm
"Google Earth is a dumb way to investigate,"
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Elizabeth Stuart
4/1/2017 12:05:05 pm
Wow. This Bradley Yoon is a real piece of work. Myself personally, I can't stand anyone that calls his speculations a theory. Mr. Yoon, you have a good imagination, stick to fiction. That is where your stories belong.
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Jim
4/2/2017 12:04:38 pm
Atlantis found !!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not.
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Frank
4/4/2017 09:36:07 am
I'm making this blog one place to come for laughs when I'm not laughing at the current political atmosphere through the nightly late show hosts/comedians. Talk about the circles of Atlantis, Jason is a regular master-of-ceremony of a three-ring circus.
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12/26/2019 02:54:42 pm
In 2011 I published the book entitled W in which I proposed that the rectangular plain of 3000 by 2000 stadia referred by Plato is the Caribbean basin. In the same year I presented my book at the popular Brazilian TV program "programa do Jô" https://youtu.be/ONTH9xpJhuI .The coincidences between the description of Plato's plain and the Caribbean basin plain are explained in minute 3:50 of the video. More information about the book is in the site w-book.info that was created at that moment for launching and selling the book. The book is also sold in amazon.com.br
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