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Is the Smithsonian Conspiring to Suppress the Truth about Giants?

7/28/2013

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Here’s the kind of argument that, unfortunately, we see all too frequently online. On the “Stone Builders, Mound Builders, and the Giants of Ancient America” Facebook page, the page owner posts a daily archival news report from the nineteenth century about the discovery of the bones of “giants.” These reports have several sources, ranging from misidentified mastodon and mammoth bones to outright hoaxes; nevertheless, many believers in alternative history hold that these newspaper accounts, for which there is no extant physical evidence, are prima facie proof that giants once wandered ancient America.

Here’s the conspiracy theory posted earlier today:

Numerous reports clearly point right to the Smithsonian receiving giant remains and indicate their scientists were involved in the excavations but the skeletal material all seems to have gone missing. If all this evidence was "normal sized" then where are the remains to prove this? Obviously, removing the remains, creating a law to force repatriation of all of this material (NAGPRA) and concocting a fairy tale that somehow all this evidence was in error and you have the current state of affairs. A state where a wall of arrogance and dissimissiveness [sic] has been built to make it virtually impossible for professionals to objectively look at the evidence.

Notice the backward logic from beginning to end. The “reports”—from old newspapers—are assumed true, so the fact that no such remains exist (or ever existed) at the Smithsonian is now proof of a cover-up. The claim that the Smithsonian had the skeletons of giants, incidentally, does not appear in the literature of the nineteenth century, when these giant bones were allegedly consigned to the museum; presumably, the Biblical literalists of the day would have made as much of them as they did of the Cardiff Giant, and yet it was not so. In fact, as early as 1865 the Smithsonian published a document by Ducrotay de Blainville, following Cuvier, attributing “giant” humanoid bones to mastodons. Surely in the period prior to the explosion of the Mound Builder myth, when the existence of giants was taken for granted, there should be some record in the Smithsonian materials of these alleged bones. I find it interesting that I can track down no claim of missing giant bones from the Smithsonian until the rise of the modern creationist and alternative history movements in the middle twentieth century, when suddenly Victorian yellow journalism became proof of biblical truths.

David Childress promoted the idea in his claims about the alleged Egyptian-Tibetan tomb in the Grand Canyon, and Ross Hamilton picked up the thread with the “Holocaust of Giants: The Great Smithsonian Cover-Up” article in 2001; he quotes Vine Deloria, who I suppose is probably right in relating the idea to “the ending of the Indiana Jones movie—a great warehouse where the real secrets of earth history are buried.” He, though, took the idea seriously because he was notorious for accepting pseudoscience as long as it supported his political views. I’d guess that Raiders of the Lost Ark had a good deal of influence on how alternative types—who liken themselves to Indiana Jones—perceive museums. Childress wrote an article in 1993 (World Explorer vol. 1, no. 3) called “Smithsoniangate” in which he explicitly cited Raiders of the Lost Ark as a touchstone for understanding the Smithsonian “cover-up.” He accused John Wesley Powell of starting the cover-up in 1881 to quash evidence of a lost white Mound Builder culture. So far as I know, this is the first reference I can find to the imaginary cover-up, though there may be earlier versions I do not know about.

The second sentence is worse, inverting the burden of proof. The author wants bones of normal size to prove they are not the bones of giants; yet, if these finds were hoaxes (as most were), there would be no bones whatsoever. The absence of normal sized bones is not proof of the reality of gigantic ones. So where are the bones? One of the most ridiculous tropes of the era was the case of the disintegrating bones. In 1800, for example, a landowner named Aaron Wright (later famous for contributing evidence challenging the authenticity of the Book of Mormon) claimed to have pulled the skull of a giant from a mound in New Salem, Ohio, so large it was twice the size of a normal human. He allegedly wore the skull as a mask, covering his whole face. Then, when others came to see it, suddenly it crumbled into dust. Just to top it all off, when Caleb Atwater showed up in 1820 to study the site, he was told the bones had been abnormally small and belonged to midgets!  This was not an isolated event.

The next claim suggests that the 1990 Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act—which, incidentally, does not apply to private land or state-owned land, only federal lands—is a conspiracy to hide the bones of giants. Since all of the bones that are repatriated are documented, where exactly is this hiding the giant bones? Are all the Native Americans in on it, too, choosing to bury giants’ bones as Native American and willfully ignoring ten-foot-long femurs? I imagine a latter-day Procrustes chopping up the bones to fit normal-sized burial plots while rubbing hands together and cackling about pulling one over on the biblical literalists.

125 Comments
The Other J.
7/28/2013 10:30:41 am

"Just to top it all off, when Caleb Atwater showed up in 1820 to study the site, he was told the bones had been abnormally small and belonged to midgets!"

Wait -- so he's saying the skull belonged to a midget giant? So if the giant had not been a midget, the supposed skull would have been four times the size of a human skull instead of two times the size?

Gotta admit, I like the image of a giant with dwarfism.

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Jason Colavito link
7/28/2013 10:41:04 am

Ha ha. Atwater was told that there were no giant skull, only a dwarf skull.

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Uncle Ron
7/28/2013 04:08:21 pm

A clear case of skullduggery.

claude
11/11/2014 02:36:47 pm

what is science affraid of by telling the truth about man kind, and the truth when they were really here, like when the continents were still togeather

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Matthew Miller link
11/12/2014 01:19:29 am

"Science" isn't afraid of "The Truth."

Cranks and loons have long slandered scientists claiming they're afraid of bucking the trends, of defying the "accepted" stories. What such goofballs fail to realize is that science advances by expanding on or OVERTURNING old ideas and theories. A legitimate discovery of the remains of a human giant would be a career making discovery. The anthropologist or archaeologist making such a discovery would find their meal ticket punched for life, their future grant proposals approved with a rubber stamp.

Science THRIVES on dissent and controversy. Nobody goes into science to retread the ground walked on by others, they go into it to MAKE THEIR OWN DISCOVERIES.

Human giants on the scale claimed by the conspiracy theorists are not considered likely because there is NO credible evidence to support their existence. Anyone asserting otherwise is a religiously motivated idiot making excuses, not a dispassionate observer seeking the truth.

Fletcher Wilson
6/25/2016 12:28:31 pm

Because it might lead to the bible and some other books are right and they as scientist are wrong its a pride thing and also a big money thing

Fletcher Wilson
6/25/2016 12:32:02 pm

Evidently Someone hasn't meat some Archaeologist. writing thier books. there is money involved and when you buck money you buck mainstream and the whole global warming skeem and Giant thing.

Al (Alfonso) Barrs
8/15/2018 06:19:00 pm

We have seen many archeologists who have been assaulted and forced out of the field by archeologists who are followers of the Darwinian religious theory of species evolution... So, why wouldn't Smithsonian archeologists hide evidence that contradicts their own Darwinian religious theory of species evolution?

Skull
1/30/2018 12:56:43 pm

Colavito-
You just another nay-saying, "debunker", that probably gets a nice under the table paycheck from the Smithsonian. The truth is that all of your generalizations, and debunks are about as unscientific as it gets. If only ONE giant skeleton was genuine (and made available for genetic studies), then the reality of 18 century-current "scientific beliefs" on evolution, and the true history of man, is turned on it's head- period! And a great many of these giant skeletons were discovered, and are still being discovered, far too many for it to be explained away by gigantism disease, or just an anomaly. But, your friends at the Smithsonian, and within nearly EVERY governmentally controlled institution related to archeology are still controlling and hiding the truth, and you know it.

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Jason
5/24/2018 12:59:24 pm

Matthew Miller and Skull,

While both of you make a valid point, both of you miss the mark in this case based on one important detail. This is the fact that the Bible contains a lot of the same historic truths that early Mesopotamian writings consisted of, pertaining to the flood of Noah. Yes, Genesis agrees with other ancient writings from other religions from around the world.

Of course nobody entering the field of science wants to study the same things as their predecessors and come up with the same conclusions, I agree. The problem is that the Smithsonian Institute does not want the vast majority to see that biblical accounts of history are true.

Remember, we are talking about the fact the Smithsonian Institute was caught covering up the destruction of giant's bones.

Sam Bacon
9/30/2018 12:17:54 am

Jason and Skull, exactly what evidence do either of you have to support your claims? I’ve studied Archeology in college, and I’ never had a professor or textbook discuss the discovery of any archeological evidence that there has ever been a race of giant humans, nor have I ever been taught how to cover up such a find. As for the similarities between the Hebrew Bible and the stories from Mesopotamia, Sumeria, Akkadia, etc is because those ancient cultures were living next door to the areas the Ancient Hebrews were living in. It’s also important to note that the ancient cuneiform stories predate the Hebrew Bible by centuries, then there’s the important notation in Genesis that the founder/patriarch of Judaism, Abraham/Ibrahim, as well as Noah, was from the Ancient Sumerian city of Ur. On top of that, there’s been extremely little archeological evidence found that supports the overwhelming majority of stories written in either the Hebrew or Christian Bible, there have been some relatively small finds, such as the Mesopotamian projectile points discovered in the Temple Mount Sifting Project, but not much else that can be confirmed to support pretty much any other specific stories in the Bible.

Harry J Verner
6/9/2019 08:05:37 pm

For you to try & deny giants is like you trying to tell me that elephants are not real expecting me to never go to a zoo [seriously]. We have people to this day living that would be considered giants. Lets not forget the FACT that many come from asia with average size parents. Im sure with all of your degrees you need me to explain this to you. It means that it must have been a recessive gene. Remember yao ming (could be wrong on spelling) came from asia to US to play basketball? Extremely tall. Believe he was around 7'. Can not be giganticism! He was a ball player meaning he was coordinated not experiencing the problems that occur with giganticism. Im no bible thumper. I just no sh!t gets covered up. The only proof needed for this is howard Johnson's magnetic MOTORS (yes with an S- meaning multiple). This was invented in 1981. A motor with no fuel. No one should have an electric bill. We should have generators @ home. If its not enough you buy a second.

Why cover it up[giants]? Its simple. If that truth leads to aliens. Definitive proof of aliens its also definitive proof of alternative energy sources & means. You don't ttavel from star to star on no rocket. The 1% lose their gauranteed spot on top of this pyramid scheme we call the world. Not only the 1% but the 1%'s muscle/USA losing a great part of its control. OIL! Lets not forget most oil countries will only sell their oil in US dollars. Giving us dominance. So the simple answer is dolla dolla bills y'all.

So if you ever come to your senses & stop selling your blasphemous BS i can school you. Its really smart to try & just blame it all on bible thumpers but its an old trick. See we have the internet now & can talk & share & see that it seems more logical that a lot of stuff we we're told is just myths is probably or partially the truth

Believe it was twin cities giant. Minnesota man was digging found a giant over 9' tall. They told him he couldn't dig it up. Needed an archeologist there. One came. Told him he was wrong. It had spread out over time. Buried it again & told him he could get arrested if he dug it up again. Your the non believer go dig that sh!t up. Test your beliefs

Hugo Luz
7/28/2013 10:48:23 pm

Probably warehouse 13 agents paid a visit to the smithsonian. Those crafty bastards always stealing all the magic artifacts...

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Gary
7/29/2013 12:40:18 am

The Smithsonian leaves themselves open to such accusations by their own acts. They used to hold that Langley was the first man to fly a plane, but they made a deal with the Wright family to never suggest that anyone but the Wrights were first in order to have their artifacts on display. Now they are being accused of suppressing other information about another claimant.

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abe ellis link
6/22/2016 12:40:43 pm

you must understand European culture, lies , stealing, corruption in their DNA, no matter where you look ( religion, history, politics, food, medicine, culture, writings). Satan's hand is there. The truth shall set you free, but don't expect him to give it, not in his nature. People of color all over the world see it, discoloring idols, land theft, lies, book burnings, mind control, alien being, not human as you think.

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Kimberly Cradler
6/24/2016 11:40:53 pm

You're a freaking total idiot! "Satan"?! You have got to be kidding me! Please leave this discussion to the smart people you brainwashed religious cretin!

Sam Bacon
9/30/2018 12:02:47 am

That’s not entirely accurate. Here’s the link to the National Air and Space Museum’s discussion regarding Orville Wright and the Wright Flyer. https://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/wright-brothers/online/icon/feud.cfm

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Mr. NAGPRA
7/29/2013 05:15:30 pm

Actually NAGPRA applies to any agency or repository receiving federal funds, so there's your vast conspiracy...of course there's still all that consultation and documentation getting in the way...hmmmm

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Eric Johns
7/29/2013 06:58:21 pm

Here's one verifiable account of the Smithsonian "losing" giant remains.

In 1911 Pugh and Hart found the remains of red haired giants while excavating guano in Sunset Cave near Lovelock, Nevada (site reference NV-Ch-18). This is a well known story.

What's not well known is that more remains were found in the same cave one year later by L.L. Loud, an archaeologist from the U of California. Loud's excavation notes list at least a two dozen skeletons of between 6.5 and 7.25 feet tall with red hair and "caucasian" features. He also states that EIGHT CRATES of material and several full skeletons were shipped off to the Smithsonian and the rest back to the UC. (These notes are still on digital file at the Hearst Museum of Anthropology, listed under reference number 544 "An Anthropological Expedition of 1913"). Anybody can go there and verify this for themselves.

What's very curious is that the U of C seems to have misplaced the skeletons, yet the other material is still there and on display in their exhibits. The same can be said of the Smithsonian, who still use some of Loud's artifacts for their Southwest exhibit at the National Museum of the American Indian. Again, no giant skeletons to be found in their exhibits or catalog.

But here's the kicker. Loud, Pugh, and Hart also held on to some material which later became part of the collection at the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca, NV. This collection includes several giant skulls. These skulls are still there and anyone can go see them for themselves, just as I did. Dana, the museum's director, is also happy to verify the chain of custody back to Loud's excavation of NV-Ch-18. They are real, they are not deformed by acromegaly, and they came from a cave in Nevada. End of story.

The obvious question is if some little museum in the middle of the desert managed to hang on to giant skulls for all these years, then why not the Smithsonian or UC? Obviously the other skulls exist, so it's a safe bet to assume that Loud's excavation notes were accurate and that he did, in fact, find several dozen more just like it which the other institutions summarily "lost".

I'm no Christian, but your attempt to attach the existence of giant skeletons to yellow journalism and religious fundamentalism is just nonsense. They're still digging up 6.5' tall dolichocephalic skeletons in northern Mexico to this day, so why is it so hard for people to accept reality?

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Hugo Luz
7/29/2013 08:30:19 pm

It's sad that you need to state that "I'm no Christian" just to be taken seriously on this site. Not judging, just wanted to point that out.

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Tara Jordan
7/30/2013 02:58:08 am

A 6'6" man generally has a cranial capacity of around 1700cc.
Unless he is affected with natural cranial deformation.

"mysteriously "lost" the large skeletal remains associated with that find".
Where are those large skeletal remains?.as far as we know we have managed to find large skulls but nothing such as large skeletal remains

.There is an explanation for it. The skulls that have been uncovered do not belong to a race or "sub-group" of giants,but to exceptionally tall individuals suffering from cranial deformation,genetic disorder or hyperostosis

Jason Colavito link
7/29/2013 11:29:12 pm

If 6.5 feet is a "giant," that makes my grandfather, at 6'6", Goliath. While unusual for their era, these sizes are not unheard of for human beings and are therefore neither shocking nor supernatural.

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Eric Johns
7/30/2013 02:25:32 am

A 6'6" man generally has a cranial capacity of around 1700cc. The four skulls sitting at the Humboldt museum all have capacities over 1900cc (even the two females). The largest (male) has a capacity of 2500cc. Based on the formula, that corresponds to a height of around 7'8" tall.

Also, the skulls are all caucasoid. That is a fact.

You can argue semantics about what constitutes a "giant" but I think it's safe to say that to any 5'6" native a 7'8" dude would be worthy of the title.

You're argument is a bit of a red herring. Your grandfather is only one person, but if he were part an entire tribe of people his height and larger, they would certainly be considered a "race of giants" by anyone's standards.

In this instance no one needs to rely on old newspaper reports or hearsay. There is empirical evidence now, today, sitting on a shelf in the Nevada desert that very large people roamed the ancient Southwest. Get in your car and take a look. Admission is 3 bucks.

I've also made a good argument that yes, the Smithsonian has, in fact, mysteriously "lost" the large skeletal remains associated with that find.




















Tara Jordan
7/30/2013 02:59:18 am

A 6'6" man generally has a cranial capacity of around 1700cc.
Unless he is affected with natural cranial deformation.

"mysteriously "lost" the large skeletal remains associated with that find".
Where are those large skeletal remains?.as far as we know we have managed to find large skulls but nothing such as large skeletal remains.

There is an explanation for it. The skulls that have been uncovered do not belong to a race or "sub-group" of giants,but to exceptionally tall individuals suffering from cranial deformation,genetic disorder or hyperostosis

Bill
7/30/2013 11:50:41 am

Here's what the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca, NV. has to say about the Lovelock Collection:

"Soon many newspapers sensationally reported the cave to have been a shelter for giants. A series of archaeological surveys of the cave were performed and determined that during its time of occupation, the cave had been a rock shelter overlooking Humboldt Lake. The recovered remains of the inhabitants, although slightly more robust, were not beyond normal size parameters. The Humboldt Museum once offered a display of some of the human remains found at what is known as the Humboldt Sink near Lovelock Cave. In respect for American Indians and compliance with NAGPRA, the display was removed and is no longer available for public viewing. "

http://humboldtmuseum.org/mini-tour/item/6-american-indians/28-lovelock-cave-artifacts

I guess they are part of the cover up now.

Sam Bacon
9/30/2018 12:28:56 am

Eric Johns, I don’t know where you got the information that Homo sapiens have a 1700cc cranial capacity, but it’s astronomically incorrect. The average cranial capacity of modern H. sapiens is approximately 1350cc. The average cranial capacity of our most recent human ancestor, Homo neanderthalensis, was approximately 1500cc. If any museum had a single human skull in their collection that was a 1700cc or larger capacity, they’d be known around the world for possessing it. Yet you claim that the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca has several. The funny thing is, the Humboldt Museum doesn’t mention this in any way, shape, or form.

Mordecai Rodnipoff link
7/30/2013 12:58:31 pm

Hey Eric Johns,

I work with Jim Vieira, the guy who has the facebook page “Stone Builders, Mound Builders, and the Giants of Ancient America." We have well over 1,000 accounts of purported large skeletal finds from press clippings, historical diaries, county histories, science papers, archaeological bulletins from the 1700's to the 1980's.

I am interested in the Lovelock cave skulls. I have a photograph of one of the skulls from a 1914 WA post article which has a caption which states a skull taken from the cave was 11 inches tall, and had enormous eye sockets. Another photo from the Nevada State Journal. Sunday, August 03, 1952 Page-6 shows a 15 inch sandal from the cave which is 7 inches across the toes, and the article goes on to mention some jaw bones and skeletons of extraordinary size. Considering 10.5 inches is the average foot length of Caucasian men (Hawes MR, Sovak D (July 1994). "Quantitative morphology of the human foot in a North American population") a 15 inch sandal is BIG.

Do you have a link to Loud and Harrington's quote of the 7 foot skeletons? I have their 1924 excavtion report of the cave and they make no mention of the size of the skeletons they exhumed and then reburied. They do however mention David Hart and James Pugh's first discovery of the 6 ft 6 inch red haired male mummy.

I have had several tips of mummies of 7 and 8 feet tall individuals being on display in Nevada, but haven't been able to see them with my own eyes. One is Joe Curtis of Virginia city who had a 7 1/2 foot red haired mummy on display in his museum for 30 years until it was taken down in the 90's. Another report was from Winnemucca in the 1950's an 8 foot mummy was reportedly on display. I have been able to confirm the Virginia city one, but not the Winnemucca giant. There was also a report that a 9 1/2 foot mummy found near the cave was sent to the Smithsonian (Nevada State Journal, 1936-10-03 pg. 12) but I haven't been able to confirm that one either.

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Tara Jordan
7/30/2013 01:43:39 pm

"We have well over 1,000 accounts of purported large skeletal finds from press clippings, historical diaries, county histories, science papers, archaeological bulletins from the 1700's to the 1980's".

But not a single piece of evidence.

Mordecai Rodnipoff link
7/30/2013 02:12:20 pm

Tara,

Hmm.. well, I guess that's up to you to decide. I just search the available records, digital paper trail, in my free time and lay out what I find to who ever is interested in reading the accounts -- as is. I actually turned up a unique gold mine of anecdotal reports, some are from pretty respectable sources. But yes, I haven't seen a nine foot skeleton or anything with my own eyes, so no physical evidence of that sort have I come across-- yet. Gosh no, But if I do locate one and photograph it and measure it, I'll be happy to post the pics on my facebook! And hope NAGPRA, followed by the Smithsonian, followed by reporters from Weekly World News don't show up at my doorstep ;)

Mordecai Rodnipoff link
7/30/2013 02:12:35 pm

Tara,

Hmm.. well, I guess that's up to you to decide. I just search the available records, digital paper trail, in my free time and lay out what I find to who ever is interested in reading the accounts -- as is. I actually turned up a unique gold mine of anecdotal reports, some are from pretty respectable sources. But yes, I haven't seen a nine foot skeleton or anything with my own eyes, so no physical evidence of that sort have I come across-- yet. Gosh no, But if I do locate one and photograph it and measure it, I'll be happy to post the pics on my face book! And hope NAGPRA, followed by the Smithsonian, followed by reporters from Weekly World News don't show up at my doorstep ;)

Mordecai Rodnipoff link
7/30/2013 02:12:55 pm

Tara,

Hmm.. well, I guess that's up to you to decide. I just search the available records, digital paper trail, in my free time and lay out what I find to who ever is interested in reading the accounts -- as is. I actually turned up a unique gold mine of anecdotal reports, some are from pretty respectable sources. But yes, I haven't seen a nine foot skeleton or anything with my own eyes, so no physical evidence of that sort have I come across-- yet. Gosh no, But if I do locate one and photograph it and measure it, I'll be happy to post the pics on my face book! And hope NAGPRA, followed by the Smithsonian, followed by reporters from Weekly World News don't show up at my doorstep ;)

Tara Jordan
7/30/2013 02:45:06 pm

Mordecai.
Give me once rational explanation as to why the scientific establishment would suppress this type of groundbreaking discovery?.(not the usual "they cant handle the truth...") because there is nothing remotely scientifically frightening about the potential existence of a sub group of exceptionally tall men).As I previously mentioned,in the annals of archeology & anthropology, you will find numerous examples of individuals with cranial deformation,genetic disorders,hyperostosis etc...I dont even understand the controversy surrounding the potential discovery of exceptionally large skeletal remains.

Mordecai Rodnipoff link
7/30/2013 04:20:44 pm

Tara,
Good question. I don't really have one complete answer as to why these sorts of finds would be suppressed. That's the whole controversy isn't it. I might speculate that the finding of bones of a race, or tribes with Native American, seven, or eight foot plus Goliaths might contradict some of the earlier theories of the peopling of America, and might add weight to Native American stories of giants, or Biblical traditions, and modern Nephilim and ancient alien theorists who wish to secure this type of evidence for personal agendas of a similar style which might question Darwinian models that we had a linear progression from short to tall, and complicate matters. It could also be a lack of interest in the subject of tall people and giants, not a topic of focus in anthropology today as it may have been considered long ago resolved and debunked by academia fifty or a hundred years ago, or that skeletal remains of tall people are a non issue in the greater scheme of anthropology (i.e. known genetic variations and pathology), hence no need to print reports of the occasional very tall skeletons in the press to the degree they did a hundred years ago... this is all wild speculation on my part. We have had scientists like Von Koenigswald, and Weidenreich since the 1930's -and 1950's promoting the idea that human and hominine ancestors of a physically gigantic form occupied Asia and Africa. Yes, I am curious why the Smithsonian isn't interested more in the theories of giants, Indians, or early hominids. Prof. Lee R. Berger of Witwatersrand South Africa claims that archaic humans a quarter million years ago were routinely exceeding 7 feet tall, and that they were not abnormalities because he has found a lot of bones of enormous size. My question then is, gee... if such finds are really being made today, why is there so little press coverage or academic chat about seven to eight feet tall prehistoric human giants? The same applies to N. America... we have excavation reports not just from the 1800's, but all the early great Adena scholars, Don Dragoo, Webb and Snow etc mention that some of the elite Adena burials produced skeletons of men 7 feet or more in size, and these were generally one or two individuals typically found in a mound with 50 - 100 burials, along side other very tall individuals.(Cresap mound, WV 1958, Burial # 54, a 7.2 feet tall male, Dover mound, Kentucky 1951, Burial # 40, male 84 inches tall, and some men and women both exceeding 6 feet etc.) . Dragoo and Webb and Snow noted the particularity of these Adena elites, with massive skull, and bone structure. I guess my wondering is, these burials of 7 to 8 feet tall Adena and Hopewell warrior types were not only reported in the 18th and 19th century news clippings, and Smithsonian ethnology reports, one could argue there is continuity in these more modern 20th century finds by accredited University archaeologists. Honestly the more reports I find, the deeper I dig, the more questions I have than answers. But human origins is a touchy subject, as Kennewick man, Spirit Cave man, the Lovelock cave mummies tell us...Throw in NAGPRA and the Smithsonian, and here we are.

Eric Johns
7/31/2013 01:52:41 am

Mordecai,

Loud wrote extensively about the skeletons in the report I mentioned above ("An Anthropological Expedition of 1913"). Unfortunately, I had to go the the research room at the Hearst Museum in Berkeley to access it (they have it digitized). It's basically Loud's report back to Alfred Kroeber at UC Berkeley about the excavation. Unlike the 1924 report, this one was written in 1912 and describes everything in detail. Maybe Loud got cold feet after 12 years, eh? lol

It was published as a book, so you may be able to find a copy if you ask your local library.

Loud also did excavations of various mounds, and he mentions finding similar large remains in the Presisio mound (CA-SFr-6) along with a spearhead that reached from his outstretched fingertip to his elbow. That's a big spear. Again, it's in the archives of the Hearst museum, reference number 362.

Here's a list of their manuscripts.
http://hearstmuseum.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/documents/collection_of_manuscripts.pdf

There was one large red haired mummy at a curio shop on Main street in Elko, NV. She was 6'5" or thereabouts. Unfortunately there was no chain of custody for it, when I went to see her, so I have to chalk it up as a "maybe". I don;t know about the others you mentioned, but after seeing the skulls at Humboldt, I completely believe there are more floating around.

As for the "robust" skull at the Humboldt Museum, the big one is 34 centimeters from front to back (glabella to inion). I measured this myself with calipers. That is a little over 13 inches. The average person today is about 8.5. As you say, that's a BIG head.

Also, it is not the result of hyperostosis or acromegaly. There is no abnormal bone growth or thickness in any of the four skulls. They are perfectly healthy human beings.

I think you and Vieira are on the right track.

Tara Jordan
7/31/2013 01:52:47 am

Mordecai.
"But human origins is a touchy subject".Of course it is,but it doesn't mean that scientists & academics are subjected to scientific dogmatism & conformism.

Recent discoveries in the field of genetics & archeology have demonstrated that Africa is not the cradle of humanity as we previously believed.

Hominization may have simultaneously occurred in Asia & Europe as well.This is a very controversial subject which challenges the Out of Africa diffusionist scheme.Many scientists are academics are not happy with the findings.but life goes on,so does the scientific process.

I am aware that instances of cover ups & suppression of evidences actually occur, but not outside the realm of national security or specific political agendas.Again I have difficulty comprehending why the academic establishment would censor discoveries related to archeological evidences of giants.

Mordecai Rodnipoff link
7/31/2013 09:12:03 am

Eric Johns,

Thank you for that information1 I was able to find Berkeley's digital copy of "Anthropological Expedition of 1913" dpg.lib.berkeley.edu/webdb/anthpubs/search?all=&volumeid=12&item=1

However, only 39 pages of the 78 page document are digitized, and no mention of the Lovelock mummies, sizes etc. I wonder where I could get a full manuscript?

Do you recall if the mention of 7 ft skeletons was at the end or beginning of the document? Nor could I find reference to the huge blade.

It just pisses me off how these sorts of discoveries, measurements, and field reports are really a pain to get a hold of, and just buried in old archives. Luckily, digital records are making things much easier to track. I'll have to send off for all of Loud's publications or see if Hearst can print them out for me (in complete form, non redacted).

Interesting about the Elko mummy.

Jerome Viveiros link
8/14/2013 02:28:34 am

So how many skulls do you have?

I'm guessing zero.

Sam Bacon
9/30/2018 12:43:13 am

There is absolutely zero evidence whatsoever to support your claims, or the claims people have made to you, regarding any museums having human remains from a race of giants. If any museum had a single skull of the size you report in their collection, they’d be known around the world for it, yet there are zero museums claiming to possess such a skull, let alone the other artifacts you listed, that can be shown to be authentic, with the notable exceptions of individuals known to have had the medical condition known as gigantism. No Anthropologist, Archeologist, or medical professionals have been able to authenticate any of your claimed sets of human remains. Having studied Archeology for several years, and earned good grades from most of my college Archeology classes, I have never once had a professor or textbook make any claims regarding archeological evidence of a race of giant humans, nor have I ever encountered a lesson plan that included how to cover up any verifiable archeological finds.

Harry
6/9/2019 08:28:55 pm

You said if they found skulls with that massive cranial space everyone would have heard about it. Well what about the puruvian skulls with massive cranial space? Lets mention that they were missing the suture of normal humans. They had red hair, were of normal size though. Lets not forgot they were way weirder then giants. They were coneheads. Not the fake kind/head binding. They were sequenced. Part of their DNA was from around russia & the rest they said it didn't look human. Lots of weird stuff out there that they either hide or dont make a big enough deal out of. They're hiding something & it must be real important to them. Obviously it would be important to us to or they wouldn't or attempt to hide it.

Its like when a company gets sued & everyone knows it was their product[s] that caused the death they can always get a scientist to say that in their opinion that it couldn't of been. They dont need all archeologists in on it. Just the ones that are there. If you find something that needs to be hidden then your brought in to the scheme. Loose lips sink ships. In other words the less that know the better just like any other crime.

Mordecai Rodnipoff link
7/30/2013 01:28:01 pm

That's interesting about the 2500 cc skull size. The Humboldt museum says the skulls they have are "robust" but within the normal parameters of size. Just like a size 22 sandal is robust next to a size 10 1/2 penny loafer. LoL...

I don't think the race of giants theory is entirely without merits -- well, at least the ten or eleven feet and under giants. Unpopular as it may be, one leading paleoanthropologist in Africa claims that a race of archaic human giants over 7 foot tall were roaming the South Africa badlands 300,000 years ago in competition with giant water buffalo with ten foot horns. He's pretty emphatic that they "truly were giants" in this 2007 podcast http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/interviews/interview/833/

He even shows a robust femur to make the point. In several years of archiving and collecting big skeleton reports, the tallest human being I have come across which was estimated from bones and published in a respectable journal of science for the time, was the giant of Castelnau, France discovered in 1890 estimated at 11 ft 6 inches tall. The debate at that time was whether he was an aberrant case of acromegalic gigantism, or if he instead represented a tribe or race of very tall people -- reports of gargantuan sized skeletons, with 32 inch circumference skulls briefly in 1894 not far from Castelnau, among other huge skeleton reports from France and Spain into the 1930's. Very hard to confirm most of this stuff. But the The New England Journal of Medicine IN 2011 published a paper which demonstrated that acromegalic gigantism of varying severity can be passed on as a mutant gene for many generations, citing a case study in Ireland which traced 300 current cases of acromegaly in Ireland back to the lineage of Charles Byrne a nearly 8 ft tall Irishman from th 18th century, even further back to 1,500 years distant. So these sorts of finds may be anomalies -whether genetic or freak occurrence -- that is the ones that turn out to be genuine.

Not surewhat genes could cause 6 ft 6 to nine foot tall red and blond haired Native Americans, gee... but, maybe the famously touted Hapologroup X from 10,000 years ago? or Eurasians, Vikings, Phoenicians, ancient Welsh? Hmm... fun to speculate.

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Jason
5/24/2018 01:14:23 pm

Here is the reason: The Genesis account of giants being on the Earth would hold validity and certain elite people don't want that, even though everyone knows it's true. They just don't want to admit it. They would have to change the way they think and live because if the giants existed, then other things mentioned in the Bible would have existed also ;) Uh oh!

Sam Bacon
9/30/2018 12:53:35 am

I have never heard or read any credible and verified documentation of any human skeletal remains or human skull that has ever had such physical measurements. There have been absolutely ZERO human skulls with a 2500cc cranial capacity. I have never seen any credible reports in any of my collection of Archeology or Anthropology textbooks over the past 20 years, nor have I ever heard reports of any professional archeologists or anthropologists studying any such human remains. What credible evidence do you have that would authenticate your claims?

Harry
6/9/2019 08:46:49 pm

Lets not forget what these natives said about sky gods. What the bible & other ancient texts say about giants & nephilim. Maybe they just wanted religion @ the back of our minds. Back when most of these were found people were more religious & would have used this for that cause. Proof of the bible. Who knows why they suppressed it but it was done. I doubt all those papers were lieing. The chances of all those papers lieing are not real. So with or without that physical evidence it looks more to be true. The dogone told us they came from sirius B long before we even knew it was there. There are plenty of cases where a people we thought were primitive told us information we laughed @ only to later find part of it definitely true

Stanton
7/30/2013 02:04:38 pm

No way man, you must be a wacko conspiracy theorist. Don't you know that the Smithsonian would never lie? Or that there hasn't been a deep-seated Darwinian bias for decades or gatekeepers like Colavito? Shame shame.

I'm not sure which is more disturbing: this article itself or guys like Mike Heiser linking to it and validating it as good reporting and logic. Sad.

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Jason Colavito link
7/30/2013 02:07:40 pm

Darwinian bias? How dare scientists use science in their work!

Eric Johns
7/31/2013 02:08:46 am

To Jason below:

Scientists using science? Uhmmm, I am a senior researcher at OHSU's Department of Behavioral Neuroscience. My PhD is in neuroscience. I work in a lab everyday doing science. I get my paycheck for doing science.

Your degrees were in anthropology and journalism. You write books and blog for a living.

I drove for two days out into the desert and measured four very large skulls myself. I looked at the chain of custody. I sought out the primary field reports. What I did was "science".

You just did a friggin' Google search, slapped together an article full of supposition, and called it a day. Don't you dare call yourself a scientist if you're not willing to look at the evidence with an UNBIASED eye.

Dr. Brett Dufour (aka Eric Johns)

Jason Colavito link
7/31/2013 02:13:56 am

I'm not a scientist and never claimed to be one. Above, you wrote that there had been "a deep-seated Darwinian bias for decades." Since I have not been writing a blog for decades, I presumed--and I can't imagine this is wrong--that you were referring to actual scientists who do the hard work of archaeology, paleontology, biology, etc. Those were the "scientists" I referenced in the preceding comment.

Tara Jordan
7/31/2013 02:24:36 am

Eric Johns.

A PHD in neuroscience? (the study of the nervous system). So actually you have no credential & no professional expertise at all to talk about archeology & paleoanthropology.Nice try..No offense intended Dr,but you are way out of your league.

Eric Johns
7/31/2013 02:36:25 am

Good sweet baby Jeebus,

Ok, here. I'll spell it out for you.

THERE ARE GIANT SKULLS AT A MUSEUM IN NEVADA.

YOU CAN GO SEE THEM.

ONE OF THEM IS FROM A 7'8" MAN.

THEY ARE NOT CAUSED BY GENETIC DEFECTS.

THEY ARE ALL CAUCASIAN.

THERE IS PROOF THAT THEY WERE DUG UP AT A SITE IN NEVADA.

I AM A SCIENTIST. A REAL HONEST TO GOODNESS SCIENTIST AND I AM TELLING YOU THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT PROVES YOUR ARTICLE IS A LOAD OF HORSESHIT.

Fucking idiots.





Tara Jordan
7/31/2013 02:49:54 am

"Fucking idiots".We are now entering the realm of scientific verbosity..

Having found a couple of giant skulls is no evidence for a "race of giants".Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.I don't understand why we are having a debate with a PhD in neuroscience who probably doesn't even know the difference between a Ganlea.

Tara Jordan
7/31/2013 02:53:45 am

the difference between a Ganlea megacanina & a Kenyanthropus....

Paul
7/6/2014 11:40:22 pm

Brett, you claim you have a Ph.D.? Really? How come your online biography doesn't say anything about your Ph.D.?

https://workspace.stanford.edu/sites/mousebehavior/Wiki%20Pages/Brett%20Dufour.aspx

How come this site, as recently as 2014, calls you a graduate student?

http://www.ohsu.edu/xd/education/schools/school-of-medicine/departments/basic-science-departments/behn/news/dufour-04182014.cfm

For that matter, how do I even know that you are Brett Dufour?

Harry
6/9/2019 08:50:38 pm

If they are hiding it why would it be in a text book? Are you that dense? The only people that would know would be the people that must know & no others. Its plain & simple.

ZEN
11/29/2013 11:38:12 pm

The cover-up and alleged suppression of archaeological evidence
began in late 1881 when John Wesley Powell, the geologist famous for
exploring the Grand Canyon, appointed Cyrus Thomas as the director
of the Eastern Mound Division of the Smithsonian Institution's
Bureau of Ethnology.

When Thomas came to the Bureau of Ethnology he was a

"pronounced believer in the existence of a race of Mound Builders,
distinct from the American Indians."

However, John Wesley Powell, the director of the Bureau of
Ethnology, a very sympathetic man toward the American Indians, had
lived with the peaceful Winnebago Indians of Wisconsin for many
years as a youth and felt that American Indians were unfairly
thought of as primitive and savage.

The Smithsonian began to promote the idea that Native Americans, at
that time being exterminated in the Indian Wars, were descended from
advanced civilisations and were worthy of respect and protection.

They also began a program of suppressing any archaeological evidence
that lent credence to the school of thought known as Diffusionism, a
school which believes that throughout history there has been
widespread dispersion of culture and civilisation via contact by
ship and major trade routes.

The Smithsonian opted for the opposite school, known as
Isolationism. Isolationism holds that most civilisations are
isolated from each other and that there has been very little contact
between them, especially those that are separated by bodies of
water. In this intellectual war that started in the 1880s, it was
held that even contact between the civilisations of the Ohio and
Mississippi Valleys were rare, and certainly these civilisations did
not have any contact with such advanced cultures as the Mayas,
Toltecs, or Aztecs in Mexico and Central America. By Old World
standards this is an extreme, and even ridiculous idea, considering
that the river system reached to the Gulf of Mexico and these
civilisations were as close as the opposite shore of the gulf. It
was like saying that cultures in the Black Sea area could not have
had contact with the Mediterranean.

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Dirk
5/23/2014 10:27:48 am

Thank you very much for the useful lead Eric. This is the most credible lead I've found on the subject. For a long time I dismissed giant talk as the fables of religious loonies. It is a shame that people like Tara can't contribute anything useful like you did. I think I make make that trip!
Thank you again sir!

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Jane Sanchez
10/7/2014 12:59:35 pm

Jason Covalito is just another annoying and extremely misinformed Internet idiot commenting on things he knows nothing about. Nobody cares about these stupid low- intelligence Bloggers.....

The Georgian Giant bones are real. There IS suppression going on. They were 9 to 10 feet and a top expert in lab in Great Britain VERIFIED they are INDEED human bones.

You make good points. Jason is a stooge.

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Sam Bacon
9/30/2018 12:20:24 am

Interestingly the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca doesn’t make a single mention of these supposed giant skulls.

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pov
7/30/2013 03:48:26 am

This is up there among stupid articles. The author uses the same process as those in the News reports. In this case, no official confirmation is taken as proof of non-existence. Did giants exist? Almost certainly. In a world that has seen people taller than 8' and has come across a species of homo that averages 3' the anomaly would be if there hadn't been giants. Does that mean that the newspaper reports are correct?
Of course not but this rant disguised as objective article makes no valid case. I used to be amazed by how many self-styled skeptics use even shoddier approaches than the fringe they rail against. But once I realized that they aren't genuine skeptics but staunch believers in the status-quo it made perfect sense.

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Jason Colavito link
7/30/2013 03:51:07 am

So I take it that you failed to notice that this isn't an article about giants (or the lack thereof) but rather about the origins of the conspiracy theory of a Smithsonian cover-up?

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Stanton
7/31/2013 04:09:09 am

Yours is an article indirectly related to giants, though. Can you deny that?

Jason Colavito link
7/31/2013 04:49:19 am

Of course it is, but whether the giants really existed is not particularly to the origins of a cover-up theme.

ZEN
11/29/2013 11:51:21 pm

Jason I am not fooled by your pseudo academic double talk , trying to dismiss what you won`t even consider with buzz phrases as conspiracy theory’s. The state run media love to use the same tactic . The artificial boundary of science and manifest destiny . The collusion of power by science , government , commerce and religion .

Matthew Miller link
12/4/2013 03:54:33 am

Zen,

We don't have a state run media in the USA. One of the major "news" channels, FOX, is overtly Conservative Christian. They even have an annual "War on Christmas" reporting season where businesses using the phrase "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" are demonized.

Not even FOX "News" is reporting on the claims of ancient giants, even though their target demographic would lap it up like a dog presented with a puddle of antifreeze. Given the fact that a propaganda outlet with low to no standards won't report on your "theory" favorably, it might be time to step back and take a cold, hard look at what "evidence" you actually have.

Tara Jordan
7/30/2013 04:45:11 am

"...they aren't genuine skeptics but staunch believers in the status-quo.."
I concur, there is no status quo,I strongly believe in the existence of a race of giant one legged amazons riding unicorns.

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Sick of reading Tara's BS
9/13/2013 02:16:39 pm

pretentious "B" with a capital "C" you are Tara Jordan.

Bill
7/30/2013 12:47:08 pm

You're right. Unsupported claims, government cover-ups, and dark conspiracies by nefarious academics determined to keep the real truth from the common man make much more sense.

All Hail Xenu and Princess Sparkle Twlight!

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Tara Jordan
7/30/2013 03:11:45 pm

There is undeniable paleoanthropological evidence for the existence of the deity known as Xenu

joan f
7/30/2013 06:25:28 am

I visited http://humboldtmuseum.org. It might be the wrong Humbold Museum ( I live in England and do not have the resources to travel to Nevada) or the skulls might be view by appointment only, because; unfortunately, there is no mention of them on the site, not even of things like them. Dinosaurs and Arts and Crafts but no giant skulls. Should I be looking for a different Humbold Museum?

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Eric Johns
7/31/2013 01:11:15 am

Joan, you had the correct museum. It's just a little place, a small local historical society museum.

The skulls (there are 4) are kept in the director's office in a glass case with some other odds and ends. They are not out in the "public" display areas, but if you ask, they will take you back to view them.



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Kimberly Cradler
9/13/2013 02:21:42 pm

You are the smartest, most correct and accurate contributor of information on this blog- that's for sure- :) Thank you Mr. Eric Johns

Steve Humphries
7/30/2013 02:41:02 pm

There is no correct way to respond to this claim of giants or no giants without any supporting evidence. However I attended university with a friend of the Kiowa tribe that was 6'8" tall. He said the elders of the tribe spoke of their tribe being giants until the early to middle of the 1900s. It was not uncommon for even the women to reach 7 feet tall. It was unknown why most of them today are not as tall but there are still some very tall and make good basketball players. So there could have been some tall people that looked like giants to short people. We all know short people got no body.

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Stanton
7/30/2013 02:41:41 pm

Well, I can't respond and Reply directly to J.C's post above it seems, this message board doesn't enable such functionality (shocking) so I'll do it here:

"Darwinian bias? How dare scientists use science in their work!"

It's clear you also operate off of a Darwinian bias. However, any real researcher who has done their due diligence and truly investigated both sides of the evolution vs. creationism argument would admit (if they are intellectually honest, that is) that there are numerous holes in Darwin's theory and the "evidences" that have been promulgated for decades. It doesn't take a lot of searching. There are numerous, documented quotes of evolutionists who even admit that theirs is a flawed theory, to put it nicely. Or to be more honest, many flat out lie, fabricate evidence and cover up evidence as they have a foothold in the "industry" of All-Things-Reputable Scientific Theory department. If any scientists have ever tried to buck the mainstream trend and voice findings or opinions contrary to the Darwinian Gatekeepers, their voices are silenced and careers almost always ruined.

So yes, I'll stand by my claim that there is a deep-seated Darwinian bias throughout all of mainstream science; which isn't much of a true science at all, but actually a religion. Which also brings us back to the point of this cute little article: The proposed cover up of the Smithsonian. Yes, there is a cover-up and collusion between the mainstream scientific community and government. Jason, you didn't disprove a cover-up. Your cherry-picked pieces of data that you presented and "reasoned" over are laughable. But I'm guessing that no amount of evidence that might be presented to you to the contrary would matter much, would it?

Have a nice day. Viva la Evolucion!

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Jason Colavito link
7/30/2013 02:46:41 pm

There is no message board conspiracy. The Weebly platform only allows two levels of response. It's the same for every poster, not just replies to me.

There is no "evolution vs. creationism" argument; that's a creationist Trojan horse. What about ancient astronauts? Or panspermia? There are many different ideas, but none have anything to do with the fact that accusations of a Smithsonian cover up of giant skeletons only emerge when creationists started looking for Biblical giants and got mad that they couldn't find any.

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Stanton
7/31/2013 04:12:59 am

"There is no "evolution vs. creationism" argument; that's a creationist Trojan horse. "

Translation: Don't mention Creationism! Only "reputable" scientists in the mainstream are to be consulted, not Evil Creationists!

You Darwin-istas are some of the most intellectually bankrupt and dishonest human beings I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with. Sad.

Tara Jordan
7/30/2013 03:08:59 pm

What is "deep-seated Darwinian bias"?.In a world where ignorance is bliss,& folly is wisdom, Social Darwinism rules.

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Stanton
7/31/2013 04:15:20 am

Just keep clinging to your dogma and riding your magical unicorn off into the sunset, sweetie. Or whatever it was that you posted above. K thx bye!

Kimberly C.
9/13/2013 02:10:30 pm

your selfish pride is very unbecoming of you and the more you speak the less people take you seriously and also the more you make yourself out to be a real giant............ fool that is, ha ha ha a giant fool! So at least thanks to you now we do have some real bona fide evidence that giants do exist, such as yourself Ms. Tara Jordan because you are undoubtedly a GIANT of the FOOL variety of course. Thanks for your contribution of some good hard physical evidence.

Jane Sanchez
10/7/2014 01:08:52 pm

Promptly REMOVE your head from you stinky fecal encrusted butt hole, woman....

You Internet Bloggers are total; weirdos with a paranoid extreme skepticism which does not allow you to function in life. You intelligence is exceedingly LOW.

The Georgian Giant bones are REAL. They are confirmed HUMAN.

The expedition researchers EXPERIENCED IT. YOU did not.

jane Sanchez
10/7/2014 01:20:47 pm

YOU are an incredibly NAIVE and very misinformed woman. Gate- keeping, misconduct, suppression and ALL TYPES of shenanigans go on OFTEN in among scientis. They happen even in the BEST medical journals such as JAMA. In fact, it is a BIG problem. This is well known, you fool.

Scientists are EVERY BIT as biased as ANY other profession , as science educator , Paul Davies, has publicly noted.

STOP promoting MYTHS....


Lastly, suppression and cover-up is very real. These giant bones went missing. Further, in the next expedition, the government interfered. Gian Humans existed. Were they different from us? THAT is what we do not know. maybe they just had pituitary problems. But 9 foot humans certainly EXISTED. GET OVER IT!

The people WHO LIVE in the area see lots of stuff YOU , and other social misfit Internet commenters , with their snobby arrogant misinformed asses full of the shit of mainstream science, do NOT have access to.... DIRECT EXPERIENCE MATTERS- BRUCE LEE

Only Me
7/30/2013 05:22:59 pm

You've been harsh with your criticism and adamant in believing there is a conspiracy/cover-up here. If I may play Devil's advocate, can you provide evidence that proves this alleged cover-up?

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Gary
7/31/2013 12:54:48 am

Stanton,
If you will Google those quotes that you refer to, I'm certain you will find them in full context and then you will know that you've been lied to.

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Gary
7/31/2013 01:07:40 am

Stanton,
If you will Google those quotes that you refer to, I'm certain you will find them in full context and then you will know that you've been lied to.

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Gary
7/31/2013 01:07:57 am

Stanton,
If you will Google those quotes that you refer to, I'm certain you will find them in full context and then you will know that you've been lied to.

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Stanton
7/31/2013 04:06:15 am

Sure, Gary. Whatever you say. Just cling to your evolutionary dogma. There is no God. There are numerous examples of macro-evolution throughout the "evolutionary record". Creationists and scientists with excellent credentials who espouse such theories are Bible believing wackos. Right. Got it.

I've actually done my research. It's clear you and intellectuals like Tara have not. I recommend researching creationism from some reputable sources so you can have an understanding at least of what the other side says. But you won't. You're government skool edumacated and indoctrinated. Pretty sad.

K thx bye!

Gary
7/31/2013 05:49:18 am

Wow, Stanton, that was a pretty hostile response. I don't know what your problem is but it's obvious that you did not try what I suggested. You say you've done your homework but you have not. You just read a list of cherry picked quotes somewhere. I have seen those things and I have seen the same quotes in context that show the dishonesty of those who put those partial quotes together to begin with.
You mentioned your disbelief in macroevolution. Does that mean that you believe in microevolution? Have your Creation Scientists come up with an explation of the natural forces that would put a limit on microevolution? If you can't answer like an adult, don't bother.

OkieDokie
8/1/2013 06:45:05 am

Stanton,

Please provide us with these "reputable sources" which you state provide a scientific basis/proof for creationism. I am hoping for papers published under peer review, or real books (with an ISBN, L.o.C. info, real publisher - no vanity presses), or even articles from publications with limited bias.

I have a good collection of "bad examples" from previous decades, but nothing recent. I am hoping the quality of research and thought has been improved since the 70's and 80's, since even an intellectual midget can easily find flaws in work such as Dennis R. Peterson's "Unlocking the Mysteries of Creation", to name an example that has, in my personal experience, been touted as "proof" far too much. I'm happy to look at your "reputable sources", please just make sure friends of Hal Lindsay don't make the list.

I am not being sarcastic or smug here. I want to read it. I want to know who these "reputable sources" and what their methods are. I want to know why you didn't name them specifically in your previous post, as "reputable sources" is too vague for anyone to take on faith, and you know it. All y'all seem to be playing the game of "prove it" with a huge dearth of proof, and an abundance of generalizations.

To all,

Is it just me, or does there seem to be a consistent desire/bias to find caucasian remains in prehistorical Americas amongst those more likely to believe in such notions as giants and cover-ups? If so, why?

Gary
8/1/2013 01:47:12 pm

OkieDokie, it's not just you. There are people who want to believe that America was to be God's gift to northern Europeans.

DR Hamilton link
8/1/2013 07:38:05 am

It's nineteenth and early twentieth century Social Darwinism that affects the belief in the Tall Ones, not Darwinism. Darwinism has been so thoroughly cleaned up since the late nineteenth century that it's respectable enough to argue with now. What we're mainly dealing with when we balk at the lack of skeletal evidence is the fact that those lovely bones were not a renewable archaeological resource, and eventually went the way of the passenger pigeon and dodo bird due to their ever-increasing scarcity. The real crux of the problem is that mankind tends to dig up burial sites, burn libraries and destroy, almost passionately, the evidences of prehistory one sepulcher at a time! Where is the mausoleum of Alexander now?

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MatthewMiller link
8/5/2013 02:10:48 am

Wow.

There really ARE people dumb enough to believe in giants despite the lack of actual evidence.

Oh well, con men will always have another Cardiff Giant to sell the paranoid and uneducated.

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James
8/5/2013 11:19:58 am

You're so smart Matthew.

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Willy D
8/5/2013 08:48:34 pm

http://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/anthpubs/ucb/text/arfs001-001.pdf

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Dirk
8/11/2013 07:12:59 am

Dr. Hamilton i think said it best and most succinctly.....our history is not one of reverence for the past...its one of disdain...there are too many examples of this in the destruction of what precious few remains of the 'evidence' of our past, for it to be ignored. Just look at the widespread destruction and looting that took place in Iraq as the result of the invasion there.

That being said, when taking in the totality of all the amazing accomplishments of the ancients...the accuracy of their science, astronomy, the groundbreaking medical practices...and on and on....and looking at our own 'dark ages' and how slowly and arduously we climbed our way out of that pit of ignorance......can anyone seriously believe that humans are really evolving??? Were destroying ourselves and our planet....is that evolution? And for the ultimate intellectual backwardness when it comes to evolution.....this idea of the singularity/transhumanism that with technology we can take this so called 'evolution' into our own hands, completely removing ourselves from natural processes that were so hallowed and practically worshipped in traditional evolutionary science. The schism has begun folks.....we are showing ourselves for what we really are.....and it has NOTHING to do with nature.

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Jason Colavito link
8/11/2013 07:24:01 am

Evolution does not mean "improvement" in a teleological sense. It only means change. One can evolve into a more complex organism, or a simpler one.

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Gary
8/11/2013 10:46:30 am

Dirk, we are a part of nature and it's not possible to take us out of it so I don't know what you mean by your last statement.

I want to point out that there have been many civilizations which have come and gone over time and quite a few destroyed themselves by destroying their environment, often by cutting down all of the trees. So there was not a time where everything was consistently advanced until medieval times.

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Kimberly Cradler
9/13/2013 01:55:48 pm

I live very close to Lovelock, NV and I've talked to several witnesses, locals, scientists, archaeologists, doctors, and what have you- and I have even seen some of the remains that were taken to the University of Nevada to be studied. I have visited the cave(s) out there on several occasions too and so I only really have one thing to say about this: THERE WERE IN FACT GIANT PEOPLE WITH RED HAIR, NOT JUST SOME RARE GENETIC ANOMALY BUT AN ENTIRE RACE OF THESE PEOPLE.

SO DEAL WITH IT ALL OF "YOU KNOW IT ALL" SKEPTICS (this means YOU Tara Jordan in particular, etc!). I THINK YOU SHOULD SHUT YOUR MOUTHS (namely the very rude, very VERY immature, and BLATANTLY ignorant on this topic Ms.Tara Jordan) ON YOUR PERSONAL RESEARCH-LESS OPINIONS IF YOU HAVEN'T COME HERE TO NEVADA YOURSELVES AND TAKEN THE TIME OUT TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY RESEARCH THIS EXTENSIVELY FOR YOURSELVES AS I HAVE (as well as others like obviously Mr. Eric Johns too) DONE. YOUR OPINIONS REALLY DON'T MEAN CRAP WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT DO THEY? THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS DEBATE OR SOME IMMATURE CONTEST OF WHO HAS THE MOST SCIENTIFIC CREDENTIALS TO BE CONSIDERED SMART ENOUGH TO HAVE THEIR FINDINGS CONSIDERED VALID.

BESIDES WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE? ME OR YOUR LYING EYES? Ha ha ha-

Go to Nevada and take a LOOK for yourselves because the evidence is here and it wasn't that hard to find either!

Course don't listen to me though, I'm just a dumb ignorant motorcycle mechanic with a high I.Q.-

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Okie Dokie
5/6/2014 11:18:34 pm

Kimberly, here are some earnest points of advice as to how your theories might benefit from a change in tact:
1) A focus/attack on an individual will not ever further your case. Challenging their arguments might...
2) If the evidence seen in Nevada is so terribly important to you, and you went out of your way to see it, as you claim others MUST DO in order to be informed, why did you not bring a single instrument along. Say, a camera...!?!? Calipers, tape measure, something, ANYTHING?!?!
3) The beauty of science is that it need not travel. I have never been to Indonesia, but I know of the Binturong. I have never been to the island of Flores, but don't have to in order to appreciate the discovery of Homo Florensiensis. Because someone brought a **** camera and measuring tools. Evidence that can only be seen "in person, on location" only adds to an air of incredulity. It might be cool in suspenseful conspiracy/mystery novels, but it's really lame and pathetic in real life. Work on a legit mystery of the universe.
4) Identifying oneself as a "dumb ignorant motorcycle mechanic with a high IQ" will not at all further your cause.There is no Goliath for you to David. Smart people, as I assume you are per your claim, have always been left behind/screwed over by society. Angry? Chip on your shoulder? Overlooked, undervalued, member of MENSA? Not the image to strive for with regards to legitimacy We don't live in a meritocracy, and we must all deal with this. You and I are not Newtons; shining indelible pillars of genius, else our shining genius would shine through, all pillar-like and shiny. Some people, without the traditional education, advance world-changing theories as a result of their genius (see: Susskind). I'm sure it's the height of human experience to do so, and is thus an admirable goal. This just is not one of those cases. Show your brilliance in a truly brilliant way.
Sorry if this seems like an attack, but it hits home for me personally, for what it's worth. Limit the ego, and learning may follow.

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Kimberly Cradler
5/7/2014 03:57:15 am

what makes you so sure I didn't huh? I have pictures and in fact I even have a giant atlatl spearhead I found as well, here's the thing though "Okie Dokie", I don't care what you think of me or anything else in life or the world so you wasted your time to write some big long rant about why you are so much more superior than myself in your thinking. :
:) ....also I love it when people who don't know you at all try to judge you, that has got to be the most unintelligent thing of all.

Okie Dokie
5/7/2014 04:30:47 pm

Maybe it was the rum and I am at fault, but I didn't intend to come across as demeaning, judgmental, or superior - quite the opposite actually, with an admitted flavor of frustration. Critiquing how you present your case/evidence is not an attack on you, and I don't understand why you immediately react so defensively, as if it were. How did I offend you, or judge you personally? In fact, I called you smart, brilliant, with admirable goals, and encouraged you to pursue learning and discovery. This is perhaps what I meant about limiting the ego, and not furthering a personal perception instead of cogent arguments and evidence to be scrutinized under peer review. I believe using wheels is superior to dragging heavy objects, but don't feel myself superior to the person who chooses the latter method, if that helps to clarify. Now I am guilty of going off-topic here, and I'd prefer to just let this rest. I don't want you to feel offended, so sorry for that, I guess. I just don't see how one could take offense.

Jane Sanchez
10/7/2014 01:29:17 pm

Seriously, GO F U C K yourself! YOU have NO EXPERI3ENCE and did NOT travel to Georgia AND EXPERIENCE SEEING THESE BONES. The BONES ARE REAL. The scientist expert in Great Britain CONFIRMED they are human. Giants 9 feet tall DEFINITELY EXISTED. The only question is are they different from us or just suffered from pituitary disorder.STOP with the science talk. PEOPLE invented those cutesy phrases. nature is nature. You talking out your a s s about science does NOT change for a second these Giants' existence...

You can theorize all you want. UNTIL YOU GET YOUR ASS into the water YOU DON'T know how to swim, loser.

Jane Sanchez
10/7/2014 01:24:36 pm

EXACTLY. These Internet weirdo Bloggers are social misfits, have low levels of intelligence and some sort of disorder where they harbor extreme skepticism about EVERYTHING that paralyzes them and their though processes to the point where they cannot function in life. They are ARM CHAIR QUARTERBACKS WITHOUT AN OUNCE of actual experience. These dorks are NOT experts at all.

They act like they are intellectuals when they are just laughable misinformed fools about a particular topic.

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Tommy bell
11/3/2013 01:51:14 am

The cover up exists and continues to this very day. I have my ideas as to "why" but the fact that it exists has absolutely nothing to do with why it exists.
In fact, the reasons for the cover up have probably changed drastically over the last 150 years. I believe I know the reason(s) why it started and in truth, this is the main reason why it continues to this day, however, over the years, many of the alleged "cover-ups" were simply carried out by normal citizens that had a vested interest in suppressing "remains" of any kind. Try halting a development of a mall, golf course, even a public park for archeological explorations and see what happens.
Read Caleb Atwater and he very accurately describes what he found, but people today want to discount his ability to measure buildings, streets etc.... Simply because they are "old accounts". I find it odd that in a court of law, eyewitness testimony is considered condemning..... But most academics read this eyewitness testimony and immediately discount it as untrue or " mis interpreted".
Ridiculous...... Atwater clearly states in his writings that these sites are either already destroyed, or are in the processes of being destroyed. Our current civilization is simply for the most part already settled right on top of most the evidence mainstream archeologists say doesn't exist.
There are numerous accounts of anomalies being found and the bulk of these are from the time period of exactly when they would have been found...... Just because they are over 100 years old, doesn't mean you can simply discount them ( but that is what has happened).
Today, we simply do not hear about the finds.... Mostly because they are not reported as developers do not want the hassles. In the rare instances that they are reported, they are immediately covered up and only locally covered.
See the case of the recent destruction of the massive site in Anniston, Alabama. Now, many of you will say something completely stupid like "Alabama.... That can't be true. And it must be because that place is full of un intelligent people ".... So, to you folks, I will simply say.... Obviously you do not know anything at all and a conversation with someone that misinformed is certainly not worth the time nor effort required to type this on my phone keyboard.
As stated, the conspiracy/ cover up is alive and well.... Often times it is assisted by developers and city administrators as well as politicians.
As stated, there exists a cover up and it is alive and well today in the rare instances where a "new" discovery is made.
I am certain that I know the reasons for this, I am also certain that if the truth were known, civilIzation as we know it would collapse..... Who would want that to happen?
But to deny the existence of an agenda, a cover up, and it continuing to this very day is just ignorant.
Any grammatical errors contAined in this post are comPletely due to my inability to use my phone for messages of this length.

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Matthew Miller link
11/5/2013 01:12:10 am

Tommy bell,

At no point in your rambling reply did you offer any actual evidence of a coverup. The lack of evidence of giants is not evidence of a coverup.

"Atwater clearly states in his writings that these sites are either already destroyed, or are in the processes of being destroyed."

So the main thrust of your argument in favor of giants having existed is to assert that the evidence has been destroyed.

Riiiiight.

Pull the other one.

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YOU CAN'T FOOL ME
11/5/2013 11:03:13 am

THERE IS EVIDENCE AND LOT'S OF IT TOO HERE IN NEVADA, THEY HAVE BONES AND SKULLS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEVADA AS WELL AS A GIGANTIC PESTLE AND MORTAR WAY TOO BIG FOR ANY NORMAL SIZED HUMAN TO USE AT THE NEVADA MUSEUM, THERE IS ALSO TONS MORE EVIDENCE IN THE TOWN OF LOVELOCK AS WELL AS WITH THE PAIUTE INDIANS- SO PLEASE STOP BEING SO IGNORANT - TAKE THE TIME TO DO SOME RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF BEFORE TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE WRONG WHY DON'T YA?!

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Andrew Trident
11/5/2013 11:16:30 am

Citation needed.

You made some big claims, now back them up.

And while you're at it, calm down. Yelling and being rude doesn't convince anyone you have proof if giants, it just makes you look like a screaming, angry nut job.

Only Me
11/7/2013 04:04:20 am

First, lay off the caffeine, the caps lock key and the conspiracy materials. This will go a long way to help you sound less like a rabies victim with a keyboard.

Second, if what you're screaming to the hills is true, the fact that no one is giving it a second thought should tell you something. In other words, your claims aren't "big" enough to alter the discussion.

Lastly, please stop being so belligerent. Take the time to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you.

Matthew Miller link
12/4/2013 03:48:42 am

If evidence is so plentiful, post some links to information about it.

Jane Sanchez
10/7/2014 01:05:23 pm

Jason is a total idiot. These Bloggers are social misfits paralyzed by an extreme skepticism. They are defective in the head, have low - intelligence and cannot function in life.

They were not there and did not collect the bones firsthand. yet they pen STUPID Internet articles and repeat tired phrases that are IRRELEVANT to the fact we have possession of these bones and they were confirmed HUMAN..

Harry
6/9/2019 09:40:02 pm

Matthew i have to ask this because so many people on here have said multiple times that they themselves have seen the evidence. You ignore that & say lack of proof does not prove a cover-up. They are telling you there is proof. ARE YOU S T U P I D? They are saying theyve seen the evidence. So to you its fake because you haven't seen it. You sound like one of the physicists that try to say a cop>1 doesn't exist. They dont say it the just mix the words up so it sounds good. The device is sitting there in front of them working but theyre saying how it couldn't while it is plane as day that it is.
I cant believe i made it this far down this list reading this crap. Children could understand this better then you.

Have a good day. I can see where this is going. I could video myself digging up one of these with you helping....beat you with it until you pass out.....show you the video of it with the bones stuck together [like a dinosaur which is obviously fake also] & you would still tell me theres no proof. You are worse then a nible thumper. At least they have a good reason not to believe certain things. They've been brainwashed into being close minded. You just are. I dont care what color a giant was or what agenda of them being white might mean. I only care about the truth of OUR past what ever that truth may be. You want that truth to be what you were taught in school. You probably believe colombus was a hero. The truth is most of what you were taught in school is just worthless half truths. Guess what...a half truth is still a lie. Our country was founded on lieing, cheating & stealing & they didnt change tactics

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D.R. Hamilton
12/5/2013 03:23:47 pm

Some of the very large skeletons unearthed here in the Ohio Valley were carefully recorded by William Webb and Charles Snow out of the University of Kentucky, and Donald Dragoo out of the Carnegie in Pittsburgh in the mid 20th century. Prior to that, there is ample testimony from lights like Moorehead, Norris, Putnam, and others who worked with Norris for the Smithsonian. This includes Cyrus Thomas who took much of the responsibility for the numerous entries on very tall skeletal remains in the Smithsonian Annual reports. For specific references to all these, several books may be directly from the Ancient American Bookstore online. I recommend A Tradition of Giants and The Holocaust of Giants in their book forms, not the earlier versions that appeared as papers or articles at the turn of this century. One of the problems with the disappearance of skeletal and artifact remains was with Ales Hrdlicka (pronounced herd-lich-ka), early 20th century head of physical anthropology at the Smithsonian. His story, including that of the influence of Eugenics at the National Museum, is documented thoroughly in A Tradition of Giants. A word of advice: don't reply to this notation unless you have read the books and checked out the sources first. Thanks ahead of time.

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Matthew Miller link
12/6/2013 08:53:08 am

Fascinating claims. Do you have any references or resources to back them up?

I've already read "A Tradition of Giants" and found it to be a collection of unverified claims. It was not compelling except as evidence of just how shoddy and dependent upon oral tradition the "ancient giants" theories are. The fact that someone makes a claim that conforms to your existing beliefs does not magically transmute their dodgy claims into evidence.

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Hamilton
12/6/2013 03:43:32 pm

MM-so you actually purchased the book(s)? How many pages are in each?

Matthew Miller link
12/6/2013 08:53:16 am

Fascinating claims. Do you have any references or resources to back them up?

I've already read "A Tradition of Giants" and found it to be a collection of unverified claims. It was not compelling except as evidence of just how shoddy and dependent upon oral tradition the "ancient giants" theories are. The fact that someone makes a claim that conforms to your existing beliefs does not magically transmute their dodgy claims into evidence.

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Hamilton link
12/7/2013 06:56:40 am

MM-I see you have ordered the book and since the number of pages is listed with the description, it would be a moot point to repeat it. You'll find the proper and specific references and others as noted above in the bibliography. Your ordering the book is more than appreciated, and I commend your making the effort in view of some of the offhanded comments I've had the pains of reading in this blog thread. I do not believe in the Nephalim and make no specific reference to biblical giants or the red haired giants. All that nonsense has hindered our case from early on. All the research is on the up and up. We consulted with and have had contributions from native leaders, including former Iroquois chief Jake Swamp, and of course Vine Deloria. Vine was a close friend, and after a man of Vine's status in the Native community has passed away, he can no longer defend himself as he certainly would have had he read the opening statement to this thread. I will unsubscribe now--thanks for putting up with the rant.

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Monty
2/9/2014 10:24:13 am

I can see from reading these comments that Tara has an extremely biased position and argues purely from emotion. Why assume there is ''not a single shred of evidence'' purely on the grounds that you ''don't see any reason why there would be a cover up''?Do you SERIOUSLY have the nerve to say nobody is allowed to speak on this matter if they aren't an actual archaeologist? What kind of pseudo intellectual, egocentric dribble is that?

Ive just recently discovered this whole ''Giants may have existed'' thing. I'm curious as to how deep this rabbit hole goes...I will continue to do research on this because its extremely interesting.

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Chaunce Stanton link
2/15/2014 03:57:42 am

Some very interesting conversations in this thread, and some less so.

I'm a writer of fiction - not a scientist - so a story like an ancient race of giants appeals to me! (As does conspiracy).

Some contributors in this thread dismiss the "pro-giant" folks as conspiracy nut jobs while, in the same breath, dismiss the hundreds of newspaper stories across the nineteenth and twentieth centuries from across the U.S. as being unsubstantiated sensationalism. (Examples: http://www.sydhav.no/giants/newspapers.htm)

That betokens a vast media conspiracy, no? So the "anti-giant" folks are also conspiracy nut jobs.

I'm being a bit tongue in cheek here, but since we're dealing in part with the theoretical, the rhetorical is the bastion of rationality, so everyone should play fair instead of simply dismissing opinions/experiences of others - on either side of an issue.

I wonder if the Nevada witnesses above captured any photos/video of the skull in the museum? I realize the "anti-giants" folks would probably not allow photos into evidence, but maybe they'd stir the imaginations of writers like me.

Stay interesting!

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Jason Colavito link
2/15/2014 04:14:43 am

Have you read many nineteenth century newspapers? There's no conspiracy; the papers published all manner of ridiculous and hoax material, and not just about archaeology. You have to take the stories in the context of the times, when "facts" were second to storytelling, and wild claims sold papers.

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Okie Dokie
5/6/2014 10:47:42 pm

Do you also believe in intelligent life on mars, based on the 19th and early 20th century newspaper reports on the supposed canals and structures supposedly on the martian surface? Newspaper/tabloid reports do not a science make.

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Jane Sanchez
10/7/2014 01:34:16 pm

You seriously have no idea how F U C K I N G STUPID you sound.... You're a typical arm chair quarterback.

The ultimate evidence OF ALL is DIRECT EXPERIENCE. NOBODY has been inside of a star. being INSIDE would be the STRONGEST EVIDENCE- DIRECTLY EXPERIENCING IT.


Shove your meaningless Sagan quotes straight up your a s s h o l e, got it? Who was he to dictate these phrases?

People like you THEORIZE about everything. Your worthless at life. Michael Jordan was a winner. He had EXPERIENCE. YOU probably THINK you know about how to win NBA Finals with your THEORIZING. YOU HAVE NO DIRECT EXPERIENCE. YOU WILL NEVER LEARN HOW TO SWIM WITHOUT GETTING IN THE
F U CK I N G WATER.. YOU AND YOUR SCIENTISTS YOU WORSHIP.

rockpicker link
4/4/2014 03:02:46 pm

Your argument that nineteenth century journalism had a monopoly on hyperbole is without merit. Plenty of examples abound in the current mainstream.

Jim Vieira and Richard Dewhurst have both collected hundreds, if not thousands, of credible reports which cite detailed accounts of mounds excavated by properly credentialed authorities. Are you really suggesting these are all contrived to sell papers? That's absurd, as Stanton points out.

What is not absurd is the challenge, (correctly perceived by eminent social Darwinists of the day,) to established paradigm the presence of inexplicably large skeletal remains would become, should the hard physical evidence be left hanging about in public spaces.

You demand physical evidence, but dismiss reports that the Smithsonian took, and possibly "lost", the very evidence we're all wanting. Seems you should demand some answers from Smithsonian. Where are the remains?

And how about the oft mentioned double rows of teeth? A very odd detail for the papers to create and repeat in so many accounts. Do the skulls in Nevada exhibit this abnormality?

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TommyKanuck
10/17/2014 05:48:49 am

The comments on this article are unbelievably entertaining. They also speak volumes about the those posting them.

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susanna
3/25/2015 04:16:31 am

The National Geographic website says that the tallest dug ancient skeleton was 6'11". They also said that that was incredibly tall and that that person probably had a glandular problem. That would be almost 7 ft. It would also be one skeleton. I do not think that is what would be called a giant. The hoaxers are saying that there are many between the sizes 9 ft and 30 ft. That is unreasonable and unproven. Everyone knows there have been people up to 8'11" in modern times, but that hasn't been found in digs. I know you bible beaters want to prove there was a Goliath and a race of giants, but you really should wait for some evidence. It will show up eventually if it is true. We may find a unicorn too. Maybe a ufo. Just have to wait. This is not it.

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i604
5/28/2015 10:54:01 am

This issue started officially in the early years of the last century when strange mummies were found in the Grand Canyon. A researcher called Kincaid found something that Smithsonian Institute hid forever.

Hackademics like to keep their vision of history unchanged.

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Dante Fortson link
7/21/2015 04:58:13 am

Anyone with half a brain can see that Jason doesn't actually do any real digging. Anyone with access to Google can search "ooparts" and see that SCIENTISTS have been complaining for years about evidence being destroyed because it doesn't fit the evolutionary narrative.

The FACTS are that evolution as taught to the general public is not science. If you Google "scientific method" you will find that in order to define something as a THEORY, you must OBSERVE and RECREATE the results multiple times.

FACT: An ape evolving to a man has NEVER been observed and has NEVER been duplicated in a laboratory or any other setting for that matter.

FACT: Jason claims this is "real science" but clearly ignores the fact that none of the claims of ape to man (whale to hippo) have ever been verified. If you Google "evolution fossil recorI d", I can GUARANTEE you that among that scattered fossils, you will find CARTOONISH pictures used to fill in the gaps... and that's science?

FACT: While people claim that Fox is a "Christian" company, let's not forget that they also air the Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad, and all of the above poke fun at Christianity. All put out by the same company that owns Fox News... but lets add the icing on the cake.

FACT: Fox is behind NatGeo... The National Geographic Channel. So while people are clearly mislead about Fox, make no mistake, they have their hands in everything and National Geographic has indeed reported on giants.

FACT: Skeptics that are too lazy to even use Google to look up something as elementary as "ooparts" can't be taken seriously. Jason once FALSELY claimed I was an evangelical Christian in one of his half assed blog articles. He actually made several other false claims about me as well, which I corrected. Had he even bothered to read my "About" page on my site, he wouldn't have made such a stupid mistake.

FACT: Jason isn't concerned with actual facts or science, but I'm sure his groupies can't see that.

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Stanley Allen
8/2/2015 09:46:46 am

It is clear that discoveries of giants' bones were sent to The Smithsonian for examination, then "lost". If I were younger and in better health, I would seek a Writ of Mandamus from a Federal Judge to force the Smithsonian to cough up the bones of giants forthwith. This charade has to stop and force the evolutionary nuts to allow the truth to be revealed. Even though the second law of thermodynamics squashes evolutionary theory, and the Giants confirm Genesis 6:3+, these dishonest "scientists" will go to any length to hide the truth from the public, and someone needs to take the Smithsonian to U.S. District Court and force them to reveal the bones to the public - otherwise why is theSmithsonian still called a "museum"?

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petergoose
9/16/2015 02:45:35 pm

If scientists (not atheists)don't have a problem with the huge primate gigantapithicus from Asia why would they have problems with large primates from america?
They would not. Evolution is a fact,period. Recent dna evidence shows that worms in welsh mining valleys can live in arsenic filled soil. The amount of genetic change from them from their ancestors in 170 or so years is enormous. In fact their is more change between the worms than between humans and chimpanzees.
Of course religious fools will claim the worms have not changed "kinds"completely ignoring the genetic evidence.

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