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Italy's Most Prominent Ancient Astronaut Theorist Asks Whether Jews Planned the Holocaust as a "Passport" to the Creation of Israel

8/7/2018

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​I will start today with a short update about To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science and the so-called “alien” metamaterials that they have allegedly been examining. In an interview with MJ Banias of Mysterious Universe last weekend, To the Stars VP Hal Puthoff, who is also the head of Earth Tech, attempted to rebut criticism of the two companies’ agreement to work together to analyze the metals. Puthoff called it a “straightforward contractual relationship,” one that just happened to involve Puthoff at To the Stars generously agreeing to pay Puthoff at Earth Tech so that he would collect checks from both companies for his work on the metamaterials. 
​More importantly, Puthoff told Banias that the metals that he has implied since January possessed unusual properties and that he heavily implied were extraterrestrial in origin haven’t actually been tested, despite his earlier heavily qualified statements: “Materials with interesting claimed histories have been provided, but technical evaluation of them is yet to be carried out, so it is too early to say.” This seems to contradict To the Stars boss Tom DeLonge’s claims to Joe Rogan last year (complete with video) about testing lumps of metal to determine that they had been “3-D printed,” formed in a zero-gravity environment, and float when exposed to electricity.
 
There are ways to resolve the conundrum, but they don’t make To the Stars look good: They might be admitting that the metals they’ve tested aren’t extraterrestrial, or they could be conceding that their earlier claims were actually credulous repetition of someone else’s work without confirming it themselves. But it sounds like the company is getting ready to walk back some of DeLonge’s more exotic assertions. Let the backtracking begin!
 
Meanwhile, Italy’s most prominent ancient astronaut theorist—a title that in previous decades might have been a laughable oddity—gave a speech recently in which he questioned the origins of the Holocaust and suggested that it was fair to ask whether the Jews had planned it themselves in order to justify the creation of the state of Israel. Speaking in Reggio Emilia on June 20 in a video recently uploaded to YouTube and transcribed online, Mauro Biglino alleged that he found suggestive evidence that the Jews planned the Holocaust before Hitler was even born as part of a world-historical grand master conspiracy to manipulate global politics.
 
Here are a few excerpts from his speech. All translations are my own:
I have repeatedly said in lectures that the discourse about the 6 million Jews who would die in the Shoah was known in the second half of the 1800s and was already being written about in Jewish magazines of the second half of the 1800s. It was also written about in the early 1900s in the most important North American—both U.S. and Canadian—newspapers, where they talked about how exactly 6 million Jews were dying or “had to die” in the south-east of Europe. […] Now, I’m not questioning the Holocaust: I’m just asking questions, which is perhaps even weightier. Because, you know, if it’s 6 million Jews or 5 million or 600,000, what really changes? I mean: if there’s a crime, it’s still a crime. The problem is to establish who really wanted it, the Shoah: Who decided it; who programmed it? Why is it always 6 million Jews? For example, the New York Times in 1919 and then in 1920 wrote: “In Ukraine, 6 million Jews are in danger.” And then: “Six million Jews in Ukraine in Poland have received the news that they are going to be completely exterminated.” But in 1919 Hitler had just finished running the relay of the First World War…
​I’m going to stop him here because it’s important to establish off the top that Biglino is manipulating the evidence, in large measure because he is speaking in Italian to an Italian audience that will never search the 1919 and 1920 records of the New York Times in English for the original source. The “quotations” he provides are his own poor paraphrases that misrepresent his sources.
 
The 1920 article he references, published on May 3, 1920, is very different from his description of it: “The appeal for $7,500,000 to relieve appalling conditions of disease and distress among 6,000,000 people in Central and Eastern Europe was put before New Yorkers yesterday.” The article went on to describe the efforts of the Greater New York Fund for Jewish War Sufferers to help combat an outbreak of typhus in eastern Europe. While the focus of the charity appeal was to aid Eastern European Jews, there was no statement or implication that the six million who experienced distress—not, it should be noted, extermination or total annihilation—were all, or even primarily, Jews. The 1919 article is even less relevant. Published on October 19, it quoted the Jewish delegation to the Versailles peace conference as condemning Soviet forces for anti-Jewish pogroms that had resulted in “thousands” of casualties. Biglino misreads the delegation’s reference to “millions of oppressed Jews”—those then living under repressive Soviet control—as being the same as the “thousands” who died in the pogroms. The number “six million” does not appear.
 
In short, Biglino (a) misrepresents the Times articles for propaganda purposes and (b) willfully recasts post-World War I concerns about actual outbreaks of violence and disease in Eastern Europe as a hypothetical plan for World War II-era genocide. The people of 1919 and 1920 weren’t planning a Holocaust--they were worried about actual deaths occurring in 1919 and 1920.
 
Back to Biglino:
Always 6 million! One has the right to ask the question why. Online, I have always been told outright that I do not have the right to cultivate my curiosity. I do not have the right, because it is a question that should not be explored. I collaborate with a person (whose name I will not mention for the sake of prudence) who is a law graduate and, at the moment, is examining about 5,000 documents of the last century. They come out of Jewish sites from rabbis, where it is written that it is already present in the Bible that 6 million Jews should die to allow the Jews to return to Israel. […]  So I repeat: I am not denying the Holocaust, I certainly cannot be put on trial for denialism. The sources write that, in Leviticus, the word which means “you will return” lacks a letter, the “vav,” which has the numerical value of 6. And they say that, since this letter is missing, it means that 6 million Jews will not be able to return to Israel.
​A Bible code. Of course. There’s nothing actually in the Bible about a future Holocaust of six million Jews, just Bible code believers’ fantasies about what they wish the text would say, or post-hoc efforts to reimagine the Holocaust as part of God’s plan. 
It means that, based on this, someone decided even before Hitler was born that 6 million Jews had to die no matter what. These are questions which historians must answer, though certainly not me. But these things can help us to understand what kind of world we live in, if 6 million dead Jews were the “passport” to Israel.
​He concludes by stating that he is just asking questions, kind of like the way Erich von Däniken insisted he was just asking questions when he pondered whether the white race was the “chosen race” and the black race a “failed” experiment.
 
This kind of disgusting speech would be an oddity if it weren’t for the fact that Europe is currently experiencing a resurgence of hard-right extremism, including the return of Neo-Nazi and Nazi-inspired political parties. When Biglino speaks of a fancy way to shift the blame for the Holocaust from the Nazis to the Jews by suggesting that the Jews encoded it into the Bible and ruthlessly pushed for their own mass extermination, he isn’t just giving a reprehensible speech. He is giving aid and succor to the hard-right in European politics and dressing up extremist beliefs in the clown makeup of ufology and ancient astronautics, hiding its darkness from the general public while speaking to those with ears to hear.
24 Comments
Apple
8/7/2018 09:39:02 am

I’m wondering if an article about how the skeptic James Randi made sex calls to underage boys would tarnish all skeptics and the few supporters they have?

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Americanegro
8/7/2018 12:11:43 pm

I'd certainly be interested in hearing about that, but the more interesting story might be how he was scammed by his long-time boyfriend.

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Alsodo
8/7/2018 12:58:02 pm

Shouldn't you be looking for Noah's Ark.

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An Anonymous Nerd
8/8/2018 06:57:01 pm

I can find only one reference to this, and that has this explanation by Randi:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?s=61c54d2363aba51bc6b63500992dd556&p=6085701&postcount=69

An odd incident to be sure but, let's face it: More credible than a random person's statement in response to the current issue.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Paolo
8/7/2018 09:43:31 am

So much for "Italy’s most prominent ancient astronaut theorist": Biglino is almost unknown and the vast majority of Italians have never heard of him, his only claim to that title is the scarcity of ancient astronaut theorists here in Italy. As a matter of fact, I found out about him on this blog:

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Biglino
8/7/2018 10:00:25 am

Don't lie. I'm not even from Italy but I know few Italians who know this guy. Also he is quite popular in other european countries. On his lectures there are always amazing crowds and on YT his videos have more than 100.000 views despite the fact that there are more than 100 of his speeches. It's obvious he won't be as famous as top models, footballers or celebrities, because even Daniken isn't widely popular in Germany.

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Paolo
8/7/2018 11:50:47 am

I'm not lying at all, I'm merely stating the truth: Biglino is a perfect nobody, the Italian public doesn't know him and doesn't care at all neither for him nor for his ideas. By the way, you yourself admit that "few Italians know this guy"... how would you know about his popularity if you're not italian ?

Oh, why is your nickname Biglino ? Are you posing as him ?

Biglino
8/7/2018 10:16:35 am

Few issues:
1. This has nothing to do with ancient astronaut theory. I don't know if you are Christian or not, but it's exactly the same like pointing out to you that you are sceptic, yet you believe in fringe things like religion. That's just example, but you know what I mean - there are respected scientists in one area of science who on the other hand have 'weird' claims about other stuff. This doesn't mean that they are entirely wrong or not worth of hearing in area when they are experts.

2. I'm surprised you didn't mention that Benjamin Netanjahu, prime minister of Israel, publicly said that holocaust was inspired by muslim mufti who convinced Hitler to do that, because Hitler didn't want to kill the Jews, just expelled them. This comparision would be more appriopriate than looking for links with so called 'Neo-Nazis' parties in Europe, because there is no such connection - Biglino is leftist if you don't know that and more importantly in Europe the biggest percentage of anti-semits (Biglino isn't anti-semit, he said many times that Jews are chosen people, most smart etc.) is in the leftists parties - you can read it in the Haaretz, NY Post, The Guardian etc.

3. What is a point of reporting this story to the American public (you said many times that you are dealing with thingst that are in interest of American people) if you never mentioned any of the Biglino works and didn't debunk them? If this thing was said by Daniken or Tsoukalos that would be ok, because they are known there, but Biglino isn't known in America. So, you just waited few months since I first reported Biglino on this blog to find something controversial he said and then report only this stuff. Why you didn't mention any of his works, any of his claims or whatsoever? If you debunk his claims you will be the first person on this planet, because neither Italian scholars, neither Italian church people, even rabbies, couldn't debunk his claims in the public debates. With all respect, this seems like an attack on Biglino' credibility to connect him with 'strange holocaust claims' for the people on this blog. There are some public lectures he gave, even lasting 4 hours, which have english subtitles. There is a book translated into english. You can show your intellect and debunk his claims. That would be more fair that showing only this what he said about 6 millions of Jews.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
8/7/2018 01:30:41 pm

Summary of your involvement:

1. Selective outrage over how Jason doesn't review some random Italian but rather talks about targets more familiar to an American audience.

2. Jason mentions something he said.

3. Outrage that Jason didn't review his whole body of work, never mind that Jason was up front about how and why he didn't to begin with.

If he had reviewed every word the guy had ever written, and found him wanting, you'd still show up to whine about how he didn't come to the conclusions you wanted him to. Jason picked one argument the guy had made, traced it down to original sources, and found it wanting. At that point he doesn't really deserve more. If you want to give Mario Biglino an internet handjob, start your own damn blog and quit yapping here.

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Machala - I Couldn't Have Said It Any Better
8/7/2018 01:47:26 pm

Bravo! Hai preso le parole dalla mia bocca.

An Anonymous Nerd
8/7/2018 06:27:56 pm

[there are respected scientists in one area of science who on the other hand have 'weird' claims about other stuff.]

True, but that doesn't apply here.

Because, you see,, unless you're challenging Mr. Colavito's translation or saying that Mr. Biglino didn't actually say this stuff, then Mr. Biglino himself actually tried to use his purported area of expertise (Biblical translations) to justify this.

Here is the quote:

[The sources write that, in Leviticus, the word which means “you will return” lacks a letter, the “vav,” which has the numerical value of 6. And they say that, since this letter is missing, it means that 6 million Jews will not be able to return to Israel.]

His followers claim him to be an expert on Biblical translations and he used that to justify a ridiculous claim. So this isn't the same kind of thing you tried to pretend it was. Rather, this is a case of someone trying to use his or her area to prop up a ridiculous claim. And I add doing it badly. (Missing a letter which is associated with the number 6 equals 6 million dead. Huh? That's on the level of stuff you hear on the streets of New York city.)

Unless of course we're now claiming that it isn't Biblical translations that are his area. Perhaps UFO studies or something? In which case why are we talking about him?

As to the claims this fellow more commonly is associated with, I've dealt with them adequately on at least two other occasions, one which was as recently as yesterday. I believe you remember it.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Joe Scales
8/7/2018 10:42:32 am

"This kind of disgusting speech would be an oddity if it weren’t for the fact that Europe is currently experiencing a resurgence of hard-right extremism, including the return of Neo-Nazi and Nazi-inspired political parties."

Yet in the U.S., this sort of thing would be compelling for the hard left these days. Funny how that is.

With any Holocaust denier, minimizer or historical falsifier, you'll always find a common thread. They want it to happen again.

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Americanegro
8/7/2018 12:06:36 pm

Would this be a good time to point out that some think Jews and most Italians follow religions founded by the insane mortal god YHVH who kills babies?

Jason keeps harping on Von Daniken but Minister Farrakhan, who is far more influential, teaches that the white race is literally a failed science project and that he has actually been on a flying saucer.

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A Buddhist
8/7/2018 08:32:36 pm

Believing, based upon Buddhist literature and the Bible, that YHVH is an insane hyper-advanced babykilling being whom some might call a god (which to me is merely a possibility rather than a certainty), seems little different from believing, based upon science fiction and the Bible, that YHVH is a benevolent hyper-advanced being whom some might call a god (which is what the Raelians believe). The key distinction is that one interpretation embraces the Judeo-Christian idea that YHVH is good, while the other applies Buddhist logical and ethical standards to YHVH to conclude that YHVH, if real, is evil and insane.

Americanegro
8/7/2018 10:52:16 pm

Your hateful, divisive, anti-semitic speech has been reported.

A Buddhist
8/8/2018 08:46:20 am

Americanegro: In what way is it anti-semitic to claim that YHVH, if he exist in any way similar to what the Bible says about him, kills babies or supports killing babies and is insane? Or is it the idea that YHVH is a hyper-advanced being whom some might call a god that you are claiming to be "hateful, divisive, anti-semitic"?

For what it is worth, I much admire the Jews because their commentarial tradition has to a great degree rejected the plain meaning of their scriptures in favour of greater kindness and mysticism.

Americanegro
8/8/2018 02:19:42 pm

Sounds like you've not studied the Talmud. With all your talk about killing babies it's a good thing that no one here has ever had, been responsible for, performed, had, or avoided an abortion or known someone who has because otherwise your constant talk about killing babies might be harmful. Why must you engage in harmful speech?

"I admire the Jews" is something a particular type of person falls back on saying. Mr. Biglino says something similar.

I suggest you report yourself, Mr. All Baby Killing All the Time.

A Buddhist
8/8/2018 02:58:16 pm

Americanegro: I have never had to talk about my admiration for the Jews before because non-one has accused me of anti-Semitism. I am not sure what to make of your reference to the Talmud - perhaps you are alluding to the claim, frequently repeated in anti-Semitic circles, that the Talmud is a collection of texts in which Jews reveal their violence, sexual immorality, dis-honesty, and contempt for non-Jews. I have not studied the Talmud because it is so long and complicated and deals with a religion that I do not follow and (unlike Christianity and Islam) is not directly affecting the world through various efforts by politicians (and fanatics) in multiple countries to make the laws more in line with their religious traditions. In any case, the Talmud is a complex collection of texts whose portions are easily taken out of context, often by anti-Semites.

I am aware that my talk about baby-killing may be alarming to some people, but I am alarmed by the people who, accepting the Biblical god, call him good despite his baby-killing.

Americanegro
8/8/2018 03:27:14 pm

With all your talk about killing babies it's a good thing that no one here has ever had, been responsible for, performed, had, or avoided an abortion or known someone who has because otherwise your constant talk about killing babies might be harmful. Why must you engage in harmful speech?

You are of course free to continue and I will continue to call you out on your harmful speech.

An Anonymous Nerd
8/7/2018 06:14:42 pm

[Yet in the U.S., this sort of thing would be compelling for the hard left these days. Funny how that is.]

Huh? Not sure what you're referring to.

[With any Holocaust denier, minimizer or historical falsifier, you'll always find a common thread. They want it to happen again. ]

Yes, I've noticed that too. It's like they want to argue that it didn't happen but should have. Depressing.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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T. Franke link
8/7/2018 11:22:08 am

Excellent analysis, Jason. You show the factual flaws in the argument, and you show the very questionable purpose of the argument itself, and you show the effects of such an argument in the contemporary context of rising extremism in Europe.

The Save-the-common-Euro-currency politics of Angela Merkel had and has harsh effects on southern Europe's economies. Before the Euro currency, these countries solved their problems of competitiveness by just devaluating their currency (China does similar things in our days in comparison to the US Dollar). With the common Euro currency, this is not possible any more. And so, the factories closed one after the other. Southern Europe became dependent on payings from Northern Europe, especially Germany. And they have no hope to overcome the situation under the present currency regime. They are trapped. So the vote radicals. In Greece and Spain they vote for leftist radicals, in Italy for rightist radicals. And the northern Europeans, too, get angry, because they do not understand why they have to pay enormous amounts to support Southern Europe. It is an evil entanglement. The solution IMHO is to abandon the common Euro currency. But that is exactly what Merkel does not want, at any costs. It more and more looks like an ideological delusion. IMHO it is one since she cannot show any way out of the situation.

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Machala
8/7/2018 02:01:24 pm

One of the many reasons I argued against the formation of the EU is. like the proverbial chickens, coming home to roost.
Your points about the what the "single euro" monetary concept has wrought is spot on. What was originally touted as the great European unification ideal is coming back to bite them collectively in the ass. <P>
The EU is not doomed but it really needs serious rethinking and re-crafting. I was not, and am not, in favor of the ill-advised, and poorly planned Brexit, but instead of entrenching the EU deeper in centrist policies, it should have been a wake up call for reassessment and revision. But as long as Germany is holding the reins, that horse ain't gonna run !

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T. Franke link
8/7/2018 02:56:06 pm

I agree and disagree with your last sentence. I agree that Germany forces the EU into a kind of frozen zone with more and more anger growing. -- On the other hand, you cannot overrule Germany and the Germans. Making others decide and consume, and Germany paying for all, is no solution.

In the end, it should be realized that the European countries can be united too closely, as well as they suffer when they are disunited too deeply. The idea of an "ever closer union" is wrong in itself, as well as simple nationalism.

You cannot centralize Europe, that is the lesson of recent decades.

As always in history, the Britains left when the mess on the continent started to become unpleasant, and they will come back to sort it out afterwards.

AAA
8/7/2018 12:08:30 pm

Has anyone read a book “Germany must perish!” by Theodore Kaufman. Relevant again now that Germany is intentionally flooded with immigrants.

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