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J. Hutton Pulitzer Alleges a Roman Sword Was Found Off Oak Island Several Decades Ago

12/17/2015

107 Comments

 
Many of you have undoubtedly heard the big news coming from Treasure Force Commander J. Hutton Pulitzer that a Roman sword was discovered at Oak Island, suggesting that the Romans reached Nova Scotia at some unspecified period in the past. The claim appeared in an obscure British regional newspaper, the Boston Standard of Lincolnshire, which is a very odd place to announce the discovery of a major artifact. But that’s par for the course with people like Pulitzer, who try to inject unsupported ideas into the mainstream by filtering them through small and obscure publications with lower editorial standards in the hope that it will legitimize their unconventional ideas. It’s hard not to think that Pulitzer chose the Boston Standard because it can easily be confused for a paper from Boston, Mass., and thus offer greater prestige. However, since the author says that Pulitzer spoke to the parent company, Johnston Press of Edinburgh, that might not be the case.
The sword was set to be featured on Curse of Oak Island this season, but Pulitzer seems to have wanted his version of the story out before the episode airs. (Pulitzer appeared in an earlier season of the show.) The sword is allegedly to be shown only “briefly” on Oak Island, suggesting that the Lagina brothers, the stars of the show, may not give much credence to the tale Pulitzer spins about it. Pulitzer used the article to complain that Oak Island didn’t give him enough screen time because the show wasn’t interested in anything but Knights Templar.
 
In an interview with the Standard, Pulitzer said that the sword had been discovered either “some years” or “several decades” ago, by an unnamed individual who allegedly kept the sword hidden for fear that the government would seize it as illegally recovered from Oak Island, where treasure hunting without a permit has been illegal since 2010. Of course Pulitzer provided no documentation to confirm that the sword had been uncovered where and when he alleges.
 
Pulitzer supports his claims with a number of other unproven assumptions. Among these is the false claim that the Romans used barberry (Berberis vulgaris) to fight scurvy and thus left the plant on Oak Island. (The species arrived in America with Europeans in the colonial period.) He also alleges that the Mi’kmaq have Levantine DNA, which is a claim based on the fringe history DNA Consultants’ allegation that the Mi’kmaq’s Haplogroup X links them to the ancient Near East, something that DNA experts dispute. He further argues that the Mi’kmaq preserve 50 Roman sailing terms, though he identifies none. Since the Mi’kmaq have a long history of interaction with French sailors, and French is a Romance language, if there are Latinate borrowings, he would need to prove these were not mediated through French. Finally, he alleges that a shipwreck off Oak Island is “100% confirmed” to be Roman, though his only evidence is a scan of the seafloor, which he declined to share. Given that fringe explorers like Barry Clifford have been hard-pressed to distinguish between European and Asian shipwrecks, or those of the Middle Ages and Early Modern periods, it’s difficult to credit Pulitzer with such flawless perspicacity, particularly since he in the same breath alleges that the Nova Scotia government might not let him explore the wreck, implying that he never tried.
 
Pulitzer alleges that the Catholic Church destroyed all records of pre-Columbian contact with the New World, which is strange since the first record of a voyage to the New World, Adam of Bremen’s account of the Viking voyage to Vinland, occurs in the Gesta Hammaburgensis Ecclesiae Pontificum 4.38, an eleventh century work of Church history officially commissioned by the Archbishop of Bremen. Indeed, the Catholic Church unofficially supported claims of a pre-Columbian European discovery of America long before the discovery of L’Anse-aux-Meadows proved it. (Also: How did the Church conspire to cover up African and Asian voyages to America that diffusionists allege occurred?) Pulitzer says that modern historians go along with Church suppression because “to rewrite history it would mean rewriting every textbook and university course in the world.” You’d think that textbook companies—which charge hundreds of dollars per copy for books that are already updated with new editions every 2-3 years—would be thrilled to force libraries, universities, and students to have to buy new books again. Nevertheless, Pulitzer alleges that the Church and historians have “Columbus conspiracy” to promote Columbus as the first European to reach America—a claim that hasn’t been “promoted” by mainstream scholars since Washington Irving all but invented it for his influential biography of Columbus more than 200 years ago.
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Visually identical sword handle to the Nova Scotia sword for sale on Italian eBay.
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The Nova Scotia sword as it appears on David Xavier Kenney's website.
 
So that leaves us with the sword itself, for whatever an object with no definitive connection to Oak Island is worth. At first glance, it resembles no Roman ceremonial sword with which I am familiar; however, as we learned from Andy White’s blog, the sword is identical to one alleged to have come from a Dutch antiquities dealer out of a German collection. The current owner of that sword, David Xavier Kenney, 60, is a diffusionist who believes that ancient European peoples, particularly the Romans, had sustained and frequent contact with America. He also produces reproduction Roman votive offerings to order, and some have accused his artifacts of being crude fakes. What’s particularly noteworthy is that Pulitzer mirror’s Kenney’s conclusion that the Romans were in America in the first century CE and thus dates the sword to that time, even though Kenney explicitly alleges that his sword represents Commodus as Hercules (how would he know this?), placing it in the second century.
 
What’s quite interesting is that the hilts of the sword aren’t just nearly identical; the differences are also odd: If I direct your attention to the crotch of the Florida sword, you’ll see a small hole. In the Nova Scotia sword, that hole has been cast directly into the bronze, appearing as a seemingly raised dot. This is certainly unusual, but the fine details also differ, appearing in slightly different angles and degrees of perfection, as though one were copied imperfectly from the other rather than simply cast from the same mold.
 
All in all, the signs point to the sword not being what Pulitzer claims, but how and why he chose to share his “discovery” in a regional British newspaper in an attempt to scoop Curse of Oak Island, a show he uses to bolster his credibility yet routinely attacks for not conforming to his views, is perhaps the bigger story.
107 Comments
David Bradbury
12/17/2015 12:08:40 pm

Johnston Press has gradually acquired hundreds of local newspapers across the UK, and is "streamlining" the operation by measures like consolidating print facilities, and giving papers (particularly their online versions) as much common feature content as possible.

This Oak Island report occurs on several of their websites, mostly around Lincolnshire but also across the country in Lancashire. Clearly, however, for the reasons you indicate, Boston is the focus of social media activity, and consequently the winner in online searches. Very elegant.

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David Bradbury
12/17/2015 12:25:58 pm

My goodness!
So many objects on Kenney's website which could, if genuine, have been hugely informative had they been properly recorded at find sites.

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Jim
1/13/2016 01:09:29 am

What an amazing story

David Bradbury
12/18/2015 06:41:03 pm

However!
To give them their due, it turns out there really is a Boston UK connection, in the form of Gary Drayton, formerly of Horace Street there, latterly a Florida-based treasure hunter who has been involved with the Oak Island rummaging.

http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/mysterious-artifacts-unearthed-in-treasure-hunt-on-oak-island-1-6677983

http://www.garydrayton.com/

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Eric
12/17/2015 12:51:20 pm

Obviously, it is not a gladius, of any type. Its one of those fantasy fakes. Interestingly, it looks like the hilts is some bad copy of a Roman household votive statue, the Lares Familiarus, of which thousands have been excavated across the Roman world-none were ever used for sword hilts, of course. Too bad they didn't use Priapus!

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Only Me
12/17/2015 01:51:05 pm

Not even Priapus could outdo Pulitzer in the "Most Useless Dick" category.

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Duke of URL VFM #391
12/18/2015 11:12:06 am

You win one Internet today!

Rose McDonald
12/20/2015 07:03:52 pm

David and Eric; OMG! You guys are a hoot! I was a Classics major at Loyola and this doesn't look like any Roman sword we ever studied. I'd actually be embarrassed to ask any of my professors about it. BTW, what's with this Commander hoohaa? Commander of what? The good ship lollipop?

DaveR
12/17/2015 02:37:07 pm

An "un-named" person who "found" the sword on Oak Island. Yup, lots of provable evidence in this one.

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Clete
12/17/2015 02:42:38 pm

Really great science. When was the sword found? Several years or decades ago. Who found it? I don't want to reveal his or her's name. Where was it found? Nova Scotia, but I don't wish to reveal the exact spot. Did you pull this sword out of your ass? Yes.

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Dan D'Silva link
12/17/2015 02:42:52 pm

The folks at Roman Army Talk are having a laugh over this. Obviously a modern fake -- quoth Zane Green, "They could have least used a Roman looking sword."

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Joy Steele
12/18/2015 06:12:15 pm

Thank you Jason, your article was very well written and researched and I enjoyed reading this very much. I had a question for Dan D'Silva: Sir I noticed you said they were having a laugh over at "Roman Army Talk". I will have to look that website up. It appears they think the OI sword is a complete fake. I would really like to see their take on this. I should look up that site and try to join. Thanks!

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lurkster
12/17/2015 04:26:28 pm

The recent episode of Curse of Oak Island prominently ran with a new crazy Aztec/Montezuma theory. And they used to it to finally give the Nolan-devil his due and not aired the longstanding drama llama war with competing factions on the island, but they actually bridged the age old grudge and are putting it to rest by collaborating with the former nemesis Nolan as a major theme this season.

Why? Because, zomg Aztecs Aztecs Aztecs. And more Aztecs. Not Templars. Aztecs.

So Pulitzer's claim that he was dissed for lack of Templar connection was already foiled last week. Ha ha.

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lurkster
12/17/2015 04:28:31 pm

"...not ONLY aired..." I meant to say.

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Bob Jase
12/17/2015 05:51:25 pm

Perhaps some watery tart gave that sword to a fisherman.

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Sharmelle
1/24/2016 02:23:02 pm

Wait a minute, I thought it was a moistened bint that gave the sword to a scalloped?

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Mark L
12/18/2015 02:02:33 am

Top article- but I think the phrase you're looking for at the beginning is "par for the course".

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Justin Demetri link
12/18/2015 07:00:41 am

If anyone else wants to spread the hoax you can get your very own "artifact" from Ebay for only 75 Euros. Comes with its own authentic looking green patina:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/PARTICOLARE-SCULTURA-COMMEMORATIVA-SPADA-BRONZEA-ROMANA-CON-IMPUGNATURA-STATUA-/301746768453

I once had a professor tell me I should be creating pseudohistory, not debunking it...that's where the money is.

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Jason Colavito link
12/18/2015 07:14:59 am

Ha! Clearly we all need to buy some of these and do a "Roman" march around Oak Island to worship the Goddess.

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Ken
12/20/2015 05:37:24 pm

... Just don't anyone drop one of those swords during your march, or it will become 100% proof that the Romans sailed there!!!!

Vito
1/31/2016 04:34:17 pm

These guys at oak island next they are going to say that the Chinese were there a joke

Mike Jones
12/18/2015 09:23:27 am

Justin, THANK YOU!!! You just made my day.

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Mike Jones
12/18/2015 09:26:42 am

Please God, let it have a "hucked X" [no trademark required]. Come to think of it, I should register "hucked X".

Shane Sullivan
12/18/2015 01:59:12 pm

+1

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Shane Sullivan
12/18/2015 02:02:28 pm

And a +1 to you too, sir!

Shane Sullivan
12/18/2015 02:03:32 pm

I meant for that to go to Pablo. Instead, I wind up looking incredibly vain...

Pablo
12/18/2015 01:10:55 pm

Too late people! Linens N'Things is selling replicas of the object that will rewrite history as we know it!! lol http://www.lnt.com/product/statues-and-figurines/796131-2448607/design-toscano-sp1086-gladiators-sword-of-pompeii.html?utm_source=googleproductads&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKEAiA-s6zBRDWudDL2Iic4QQSJAA4Od3Xz1_PbDa4VBWDazaFBcLOtlQojAVPUdJilrFGZ2F7hhoChPHw_wcB

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Pablo
12/18/2015 01:23:42 pm

Same design, same dimensions...

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Shane Sullivan
12/18/2015 02:14:52 pm

(The affirmation I meant to give to you before, but accidentally gave to myself instead!)

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Cuchulain link
12/18/2015 02:13:47 pm

About as credible as the claim of an ancient Pheonician trade route to the copper mines in Michigan's Keweenaw pennisnsula. According to these claims, there is evidence, everywhere, of Phoenicians, Bronze Age Europeans, and others sailing copper-laden flotillas from the Keweenaw home to the Old World.

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Justin Demetri link
12/19/2015 04:11:04 pm

"Pulitzer explained: “Some years ago, a man and his son were scalloping off Oak Island, which sees them hang rake-like object off the back of their boat. When they brought this up, the sword came up with it."

That rake like object is most likely a scallop dredge. I'm a maritime historian that focuses on New England fisheries and one thing I can tell you is that scallop dredges...dredge! They drag along the bottom and are big and heavy. Scallops are collected in a "chain bag" off the end of the dredge. Because of how they work, the chain bag often comes out of the water looking shiny, even if it was rusty before.

So if this "roman" sword was caught in a scallop dredge why isn't the patina scratched? Even if it has been out of the water long enough to oxidize again, it still should have some sort of scouring marks from being banged along the ocean floor in a heavy metal dredge.

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william smith
12/20/2015 06:00:59 pm

Justin - as a maritime historian that focuses on New England fisheries, you should be well aware of the 1581 facility that existed at Smiths cove on Oak Island, or the man made salt pond they call the swamp, then their is the money pit that got it's name from its multiple functions where they boiled brine from the swamp to obtain fresh water and salt and used this same natural sink hole to smoke cod fish just like they did at the Newport Tower in Rhode Island. The only Roman connection to Oak Island is the rectangle carving around the letter G found on a stone between the money pit and Smiths cove. When Sir Gilbert made his last voyage for the English Queen in 1581 he used the Roman standard (rectangle in stone) to lay claim for taxes from the fishery at Oak Island. When Gilbert went down with his ship on his return to England, the Oak Island fishery enterprise hid his tax claim by turning the stone over.

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lurch link
12/20/2015 09:24:06 pm

So where is the treasure?

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william smith
12/21/2015 08:35:26 am

In the HC bank account.

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Joy Steele
12/21/2015 03:15:24 pm

Boiling brine? William there is evidence to show they were making naval stores on that island. Remember the presence of charcoal in the Money Pit? Combustion took place by virtue of the charcoal found there for one thing. We are looking at a classic eighteenth century pine tar kiln in my opinion. I thought Justin made a very fine point actually and have posted his remark to my home page. Back to the sword, yes if it was tumbled around in a steel scallop dredging collector sac it certainly wch would have been gouged and scratched. Thank you.

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william smith
12/21/2015 06:17:43 pm

I do remember the charcoal found in the pit. I also remember the carbon dating of timbers from the pit were 1575 +- 50 years. I agree with the likely the sword is a fake or at least a reproduction. At least 5 have been found to date. Thanks for your take on naval stores. I do not see how the five drains feeding the dam come into play with navel stores or the reported drain from the money pit toward Smiths cove, however a tar pit is more likely than a Roman sword.

Rose McDonald
12/22/2015 11:15:09 am

The Pulitzer sword has been thoroughly debunked. Identical swords are being sold on Italian Ebay for 75 Euros. I'm just astonished by the arrogance of anyone who'd think they could pull off a hoax like this and not be found out. If not by the Laginas themselves then by any of the many, many people following this series.

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Alfred Nicolosi link
12/23/2015 09:29:30 pm

Thanks for debunking this Roman sword claim. Science has given archaeology tools that Heinrich Schliemann could have benefited from at Troy. We've come a long way since then. The Maritime Archaic burial of a young boy at L'Anse aux Meadows, near the documented site of the Viking settlement, contains grave goods similar to those found on the west coast of France (Gulf of Morbihan, Teviec Island). These so-called Red Paint People (due to red ochre in burials) now are recognized by archaeologists at Smithsonian as part of a circumpolar culture that traversed the Atlantic in skin boats as early as 7500 years ago. How about a blog entry on this Maritime Archaic culture? Peabody Museum in Andover, MA has thousands of splendid artifacts... with documented provenance.

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Phoenix1966
12/26/2015 08:43:45 pm

Save yourself some cash and buy the sword, less the aged patina, directly from the source for $19.95...

http://www.designtoscano.com/product/gladiator%26rsquo-s+sword+of+pompeii+-+sp1086.do?sortby=bestSellers&refType=&from=Search

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william smith
12/26/2015 10:15:38 pm

Will the $19.95 sword point toward true north like the Pulitzer sword is reported to do. Kinda like the Dick Tracy rings that would glow in the dark.

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Susan Lavalle
12/27/2015 06:45:58 pm

This guy just wants to keep his name in the lime light, it is an ego issue for him. No notable creditials. The show made a big mistake having him on.

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reginald
12/31/2015 02:17:20 pm

Jason I have a few question for you as myself I am trying to find the truth to these theories and I find some holes in your research that would help me on your theory if you answered them. Your theory is this sword was bought off Ebay or bought from someone and is a fake do you have any records of this purchase by Hutton or the people that found the sword? Have you tested the sword yourself? Have you interviewed the person that brought it forward and claimed their family had found the sword off Oak Island near a shipwreck? Have you even been to the Island and looked around and studies it? Have you ever talk to the local natives of Canada? These are all things Hutton Pulitzer has done in his research to me that is more creditable then your evidence you have provided.

Another question to you is why would anyone buy a fake sword or maybe it's a real Roman sword the bought then bring it forward saying they found it in an area where you go to jail yes jail for removing any item from the water in nova scotia? It makes no sense to me that someone would take that risk knowing that just because you found the sword that still is not going to change history and your not gaining anything from but attention so why would anyone take that risk going to jail just for a hoax?

Jason you are entitled to your opinion and that is it though, this is just your opinion base the research I believe you have done. To make clams something is 100% fake by looking at pictures, reading a few articles and checking web sites doesn't prove the sword is a fake or does it prove that Hutton theory of Romans had come to Oak Island is wrong also.


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william
12/31/2015 03:18:06 pm

I am not answering for Jason, however Hutton indicated his ancient sword found was unlike fake swords because it had the ability to always point to TRUE NORTH. Has he explained how this is completed?

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Reginald
1/3/2016 10:36:46 pm

Hi William no I have not heard how it points true north if you ask Hutton on his facebook page I'm sure he will give you an answer to that question. What people are missing is this sword is just 1 of more than 50 things that point to Romans on Oak Island and more and more people are coming forward with Roman artifacts that were found in and around Oak island that has been passed down though the family. For those that don't know it was said that it was Dan Blankenship friend that brought the sword forward and I hope they talk about this when the sword airs on the curse of Oak Island.
I could sit here and argue with all these people calling this a fake all day long but science and common sense disproves their theories that it is a fake as I see it so far.

The Searcher link
1/4/2016 11:20:01 am

Thank you reginald for bringing some sanity to this discussion. I am not taking sides one way or the other, but until a person has handled an object, and done their OWN testing, they should moderate their remarks.

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Reginald
1/5/2016 10:53:27 am

From what I see Hutton has done nothing wrong all he done was collected data, had artifacts tested that were brought forward to his team while they were working with the history channel and the brothers to look at Oak Island and doing their research of the island.

What drives me crazy is this Jason guy seems to really have it out for Hutton instead of going to Oak Island and doing his own research to disprove Hutton he instead attacks Hutton as a person and his failures in life saying because a guy had an invention fail this some how makes him a fraud. Most of the bad post I read about Hutton are from this Jason guy so I think there is more of a history between these two that Jason is not sharing.

Maybe Hutton is a fraud maybe he is not that's for the courts to decide which I have never heard of him being charged for any of these fraud claims. But the true fact is the evidence he has found has been around way before he was even born and if people did there own research of what Hutton is claiming instead of making up their minds based on post by these Hutton haters they might agree what he is saying could possible be true. Until Hutton white paper comes out with all the evidence he has collected to prove his theory right, guys like Jason need to take a more professional approach on how to disprove a theory.
The I can buy a sword off ebay is not proof the sword is a fake. What Jason should do is buy one of these swords off ebay and have it tested against the sword brought forward to Hutton. I bet when he gets the sword it will look nothing like the picture when he gets it because no one has ever tried to scam ayone on ebay before.


A few simple facts that Hutton could have not faked
Roman carvings are on and all around Oak Island that has been there before Hutton time. Take tour of the island they start in the spring.
Documents reports of people seeing many ships in the 1500's at the bottom of Mahone Bay which is how the Bay got it's name. If you don't know what a Mahone is, it's a troop, animal and supply ship that was used by the Romans.
The Africa Oak trees that were on the island were their before he was born
The Roman crossbow bolts found in one of the Oak trees on the island when it was cut down.
The Roman sword was found in the water near a ship just off Oak island by a friend of Dan Blankenship
The many Roman artifacts that have been found in and around Oak Island before Hutton was born.
The big stone boulders with a hole cut through them in the waters just off oak island, that was a known way Romans use to anchor their ships.

I wonder if some of these people still believe the earth is flat and all the photos of earth showing it is around are fake.

Ron
1/10/2016 01:00:52 pm

I agree he speculated to much, i think the pit is a filter for fresh water , or a fishery holding tank

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bluetooth
1/1/2016 10:08:29 pm

this puts-ziller needs to stop.
I would like to believe someone else is also aware of his fabricated glyphs and scribblings ......
Surely someone else has seen his weak attempts to pass off his forgeries and fake inscribings. he has made a dozen or so i know of so should not be hard for you to find. they are easy to spot
If you imagine a small childs cartoon like drawing of a figure with the proportions all wrong and seriously lacking in any finesse,skill,craft,detail,substance.
As cute as they are i am very annoyed by these perversions of history.
i have more than enough viable evidence to discredit this fool but i cannot help feeling sorry for him.
When the masses do realize i would rather not take part in the mob mentality that will ensue

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william
1/2/2016 10:07:04 am

You make a good point about people that make false claims to gain personal attention. When people like Jason calls their bluff, who wins?

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Reginald
1/3/2016 11:37:02 pm

Do you have a web site that I can see of Hutton fabricated glyphs and scribblings?
So if i'm reading your statement right you are saying that Hutton is fraud that fabricated all the markings all over Nova Scotia and on Oak Island just to create a lie that Romans and ancient came to Canada before Christopher Columbus please explain how he went back in time and did this.
This is where science and common sense disproves your theory.
Another question for you is why is Oak island bay called Mahone Bay?
Do you know that it was Dan Blankenship friend that had brought the sword forward? So are you saying Dan Blankenship friend is lying and trying to pass off a fake as a Roman sword that he said was found near a ship just off Oak Island? (if you watch the show they showed that ship where it was said it was found near)

I hope Hutton never stops because he is doing something that no one has ever done he looked at the island and what it was trying to tell us instead of focusing just on the money pit and finding treasure like everyone else has in the past.


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william
1/4/2016 03:38:53 pm

Reginald - or ever what your name is. I only stated that Hutton told the world his sword was different than other Roman swords in that it would point to TRUE north. It is not up to me to prove something that is not known to man in technology today as we understand it. He made this as a posting on a web site called Unsolved Mysteries. It is a bull shit statement which falls into the category of false information until proven true. If you like I can send you a photo of Wolter and Hutton at the AAPF conference in Mich. just before his Roman sword claim made public.

ghettohillbilly1 link
1/4/2016 09:19:41 pm

This hutton pukelitzer guy IS a fraud, do just a little tiny bit of research he invented a failed bar code scanner (named one of the worst inventions ever) back before he changed his name, the more you look into this guys past the more of a fraud you see he is

ghettohillbilly1
1/5/2016 01:51:00 pm

Reginald thanks for the laugh but on a serious note, Hutton has no business spewing this nonsense he is just trying to build up his character and after failing an invention (cuecat which he STILL claims is the best thing technology has ever seen) to the tune of over 40 million dollars squandered then changing his name from jovan to j hutton pulitzer, oh btw his real name is Jeff Philyaw it is important to recognize his past but as far as Jason this is the only article Ive found by him of the dozens Ive read about putziller, You say those are facts but facts are based on evidence, there is no evidence to show Hutton has found anything anywhere except his own ramblings hes a con man working the centuries old conof oak island, he claims to have found all these artifacts and glyphs but none of that is actually true if you want to argue that show the truth, IF he actually had the sword and it WAS from Nova Scotian waters, he would also be a thief as it would be property of the government here in NS (oh btw i live across the bay from oak island) FACT is there is NO proof that hutton is nothing more than a conman, and if he continues to slander this province and the people in it, heis going to have problems, try reading the wiki on his failed invention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat , or this very odd interview http://jhuttonpulitzer.blogspot.ca/2012/04/who-is-jovan-or-j-hutton-pulitzer-wiki.html or this about the "magic crystals" he is selling http://www.metafilter.com/25103/Pssssst-Hey-buddy-Wanna-buy-some-crystals or this one about a REAL treasure hunter organization calling him out http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/lost-adams-diggings/395492-i-m-calling-out-treasureforce-their-lad-claims.html, the more you dig into this guys past the more obvious hes not who or what he says he is, he has no credibility, hes also not involved with anyone on the show the brothers or anyone else on or around the island, he was regretedly brought in by prometheus entertainment to explain his theory and spice up the show, there are no records of him asking to or doing ANY treasure hunting in Nova Scotia

Reginald
1/5/2016 10:38:24 pm

ghettohillbilly1 thanks for the good laugh this is the reply I knew I would get avoid my Roman evidence questions and go right at attacking Hutton as a person.

I still don't see how any of the links you sent me proves that he is a fraud. He got called out on a chat forum wow big deal what are we 10 years old. I watch history shows of dozens of people who claim they found Atlantis, bigfoot, UFO, so I should call them all out since it still hasn't been proven. The fact the guy failed as an inventor still doesn't make him a fraud.
Now your twisting facts Hutton never once said he found this sword and I have never read or heard any audio clip saying he had found this sword and if you read my post you will see the sword was said to be found by a friend of Dan Blankenship and it was brought forward by that family and this is the statement Hutton has repeated since the sword was released. If this turns out to be false then I will join you in the Hutton is a fraud but I believe Oak Island story is way to big to try and pass off as a fake with the amount of people that are going to want to disprove his findings and from what I have seen and read I believe he is right and that the Romans were on Oak Island.
All I see here is people attacking Hutton as a person and saying he has no evidence and it is all fake when he has release evidence and no one has disproven them no matter what these bloggers and chat forums that leave out facts and blanks say. Prime example and you just did it saying Hutton found the sword in the waters near Oak Island which he didn't.

Everyone hear is missing the big picture and what this could do for Nova Scotia
You would think someone from Nova Scotia would be praying that Hutton is right because this discovery would make Nova Scotia one of the biggest tour destinations in the world and #1 in Canada. This would be huge for the Nova Scotia economy the new jobs and business it would create, all the money the tourist would bring yet here you are ghettohillbilly1 trashing a guy who really has everything to lose if he is wrong and you have everything to gain if he is right. If you think he is wrong about something then prove him wrong bring your evidence forward and maybe it will help unlock the mystery of Oak Island.

Here are some of the evidence he has release
Roman carvings on and all around Oak Island
Documents reports of people seeing many ships in the 1500's at the bottom of Mahone Bay which is how the Bay got it's name. If you don't know what a Mahone is, it's a troop, animal and supply ship that was used by the Romans.
The Africa Oak trees that were on the island
The Roman crossbow bolts found in one of the Oak trees on the island when it was cut down this is document.
The Roman sword was found in the water near a ship just off Oak island by a friend of Dan Blankenship
The many Roman artifacts that have been found in and around Oak Island
The big stone boulders with a hole cut through them in the waters just off oak island, that was a known way Romans use to anchor their ships.
The DNA testing of the nova scotia natives


ghettohillbilly1
1/5/2016 11:26:23 pm

Here are some of the evidence he has release
Roman carvings on and all around Oak Island -links? pictures? confirmation by an actual expert??
Documents reports of people seeing many ships in the 1500's at the bottom of Mahone Bay which is how the Bay got it's name. If you don't know what a Mahone is, it's a troop, animal and supply ship that was used by the Romans.-well since i lobstered in mahone bay last winter and have lived here most of my life i can safely say thats another false claim, your lucky to see 10-15 deep in the ocean, as for what its named for heres a lesson Mahone Bay was named after the French mahonne which referred to a type of boat used by local privateers not romans
The Africa Oak trees that were on the island- NO proof of the oak trees being african
The Roman crossbow bolts found in one of the Oak trees on the island when it was cut down this is document never heard of this but not possible romans would be much earlier than 1700's trees would have come and gone
The Roman sword was found in the water near a ship just off Oak island by a friend of Dan Blankenship- well that doesnt have anything to do with pulitzer at all and so far and theres nothing to prove its authentic yet so another false claim
The many Roman artifacts that have been found in and around Oak Island- WHAT roman artifacts??pics links?references?anything?
The big stone boulders with a hole cut through them in the waters just off oak island, that was a known way Romans use to anchor their ships- yeah and it is still used, ever here of a mooring? hell i helped drill a rock to stabilize a floating wharf lol
The DNA testing of the nova scotia natives -more bs, any other fake discoveries you need me to debunk?

Reginald
1/6/2016 07:08:52 pm

ghettohillbilly1
Thank you, that was much better then bashing on a guy to prove a false claim.
Why should I do your home work giving you all the links to everything your saying is false, which proves my point you haven't even seen any of the evidence or researched it but your already saying it's all fake. It could be all fake you could be right but until Hutton white paper comes out and his evidence can be looked at the false claims is putting someone in jail before even seeing his defence case.





ghettohillbilly1
1/6/2016 08:23:07 pm

Actually I have done my research and I haven't heard a single reputable source that thinks what pulitzer (or hutton or jovan or jeff or philyaw or whatever his real name is?) says is credible, and if you can't even try to prove your point than what you say has no credibilty either PS you might wanna stop watching all those garbage shows, they are having obvious effects on you, good luck with hutton and his magic beans... er I mean "crystals" lol

Reginald
1/6/2016 10:14:04 pm

ghettohillbilly1

Great news Tuesday the sword will be on the Curse Of Oak Island so we might finally get some answers

Reginald link
1/6/2016 11:27:49 pm

ghettohillbilly1

Off topic but I like your YouTube Video's everyone should check them out

ghettohillbilly1
1/7/2016 06:20:53 am

lol oh right now the show will show the fake sword and it will all make sense, or be left as a cliffhanger so people check out the next season when they show it was actually a fake, its TV its made for ratings they dont care about history at all

Mike
1/4/2016 06:29:56 pm

It's great to find a place where there's an intelligent discussion of Oak Island.

I'm not equipped to dispute the sword claim, but it seems to me that in the case of the sword, the spanish coin found earlier and other objects, these all could be objects dropped over the course of the 200+ years of searching. A copper coin buried in the swamp muck? As a person who has dug up a few old coins, it is surprising to find a coin in a very wet (and salty) environment that after over 200 years in the ground is still readable. Was it dropped later?

The carvings have a similar problem. Are they old, or something made by an earlier expedition? I can certainly see a group in the past, desperate for financing, producing a 'newly found' object.

To me, an avid watcher of the show and a fan of Oak Island since the '60's, The most important clues are these: The verasity of the original two groups who dug down to 90 feet, and the stone marker. Since we'll never know how accurate they were in their descriptions, the stone marker is the only thing that holds the tent up. Either it is real or fake. But until it is found and examined by experts we are left with nothing but holes.

Personally, I'm leaning towards there once being treasure, but it wasn't in the money pit and was found and spent long ago.

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william
1/7/2016 10:43:19 am

I see all the pro and con about Hutton and the attempts for supporters to prevent people like Jason from reporting the truth. They attempt to produce stories and Movies like Star Wars in order to deceive the viewers, however academics are smarter than these folks. A good example of their expert work is the Google map they have on Hutton's web site (they have Smiths cove in South cove and another name for Smith cove) Their site name should be changed from Decoding Symbols to Distorting History. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/sword-discovered-off-nova-scotias-oak-island-195223301.html

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David
1/7/2016 03:18:10 pm

I'm glad this is being reported, most folks wouldn't know that the sword is an obvious fake. Common sense would prove it would never survive under water that long. Kudos to Jason.

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Thomas
1/7/2016 05:51:30 pm

Look everyone, the burden of proof here is on Pulitzer, not Jason Colavito. Legitimate academics don't just stand up and barf out all sort of unsubstantiated declarations, insisting that the are correct while providing absolutely nothing creduble to support theit theories. If you make the declarations, youust bear the burden of proof. Until then, Jason -and the rest of us - have every right to be skeptical, especially when the evidence of a hoax is so prevalent.

When I think of Pulitzer and his supporters, I am reminded of the old maxim, "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

TreasureForce CommanderJ. Hutton Pulitzer's entire persona is a living, breathing debunking of himself. He's straight out of Central Casting - the "blowhard ersatz expert on historical research and treasure hunting".

I'm sorry to be rude but it's insulting that he would entertain us with this nonsense while trying to profit off of it. Some of us have worked hard in life to accomplish our goals, and to see Pulitzer believe us to be so gullible is insulting.

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ghettohillbilly1
1/7/2016 07:30:07 pm

thank you, you are totally right, he is totally insulting , one of his newer videos called nova scotia shipwreck trainwreck where he basically says the people on nova scotia (myself included) are idiots because we dont let any wack job treasure hunter to go explore where ever the feel like, its funny cause its about how many wrecks (25,000 est) that have sunk though no mentions of these all sunk during known times just not recorded, he also completely ignores the fact that these shipwrecks are located in areas that are fished and that has a lil part in the local economy, hes just building the hype, the story keeps changing, was the sword found on oak island or in the area, was it found by people scalloping off oak island, no because people dont scallop in mahone bay, which means its from the deep sea if it exists which would mean it most likely has zero ties to oak island

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Dave link
1/7/2016 10:46:35 pm

Thomas
This just came out what do you think?
http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/unraveling-origins-roman-sword-discovered-oak-island-005112

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ghettohillbilly1
1/8/2016 01:47:33 pm

I think its the same story from another source, proves nothing and goes under the assumptions that pulitzer is totally right, heres the smoking gun to me supposedly it was found in just 25 feet of water scalloping just off oak island, which can NOT be true, there is NO scalloping in mahone bay, it would destroy the lobster fishery, show me a credible source thats run this story cause i havent seen one yet

Thomas
1/8/2016 10:35:37 am

Hi Dave - It's nice that the article attempts to explain why there are numerous other replicas popping up everywhere. But it does nothing to actually prove the Commander's assertions nor the sword's authenticity. One cannot rely upon further unsubstantiated declarations to prove their previously unsubstantiated declarations. At best, it's lazy. At worst, its fradulent. That's the problem with people like Pulitzer. They think they can prove their bull**** with more and more bull****. Overall, just more pseudo-intellectualism from a fringe-history source.

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Claire
1/11/2016 02:11:13 am

Wow I can't believe how many experts and know it all's there are here you must be good friends with the Guys on the Curse of Oak island and the history channel.
My Point I see no proof here the sword is a fake except a bunch of men trying to act like they are the next Aristotle or Einstein cause they read a few books or searched the internet. True fact is you no nothing but what you have read in Hutton released. All of you didn't even know who found the sword, or who it belongs to, the fact is you know very little details about it but right away you jump to it's a fake a fraud. Your evidence, it's a fake cause this Pulitzer guy is a fraud cause you read it on the internet and Jason posted he can buy one off Ebay. This is one of the main problems with History never being correct cause no one does the proper research they just pick a few easy point to try and disprove something and leave out the most important points and then all the haters jump on the wagon and then something that could be one of the most important things in history fades away like everything else people have found in the past. Hutton didn't find the sword has nothing to do with the sword and if you did your research you would know that he was just ask to test the sword but the key is he wasn't the only one to have tested the sword.

This author article was link to me as proof the sword is a fake and this is the problem this article is someone theory and opinion who knows very little except what he read in the release of the information about the sword and this should not be taken as proof the sword is a fake but that's how media brain washes people's minds. I really hope that if this sword is 100% what they say it is then maybe people will have more of an open mind about our past history and starting asking question instead of giving the answers. History is here to be found not to be preached you have a brain use it! I really hope this Hutton guy is right so I could see if you guys have the balls to apologise for all the nasty things you say about him.

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ghettohillbilly1
1/11/2016 06:25:18 am

Ok answer me this if the sword is not fake, why has it not been mentioned in locals news? why hasn't any reputible news sources even covered this? I personally would love this to be true but my research leads me away from the truth especially where a self proclaimed treasure expert like jeff philyaw aka jovan aka commander huttun pulitzer is concerned, I know you wont believe me because herp de derp hutton is on the T.V. he cant be wrong...believe in the fantasy all you want we will stick to the truth IF hutton was right and had anything to do with it ill eat my words but I have NO worries of that as I dont believe things with blind faith

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Claire
1/11/2016 09:25:07 pm

Hi ghettohillbilly1
I found out about the sword cause it was on the front page of Yahoo as soon as I opened it, that is a pretty big site if you ask me. This story has been on many local news station and radio stations all over Canada. But on a real note please tell me what news source is actually a reputable news source CNN? The media edits, cuts and paste only to show you what they want you to see. From what I see all this Hutton guy did was test the sword and he release his finding and his theory behind it. If this Jason did his home work and went right to the source that has the sword we might of had the full story but instead he made this kind of personal attacking this Hutton guy which got me thinking why so I looked up this Hutton guy and I now know why some people don't like him and attack him as a person, he stands against the way Archaeologist and Historian operate in north America and is very vocal about it so I can see how anyone in these fields would want to tear him down since it seems it's his goal to change they way they been taught to do their job and tear them down so I guess were stuck in the middle of a war and this sword is the real deal is going to suffer because of it. I see the sword will be on the Curse of Oak island this Tuesday and maybe we will get some answers.

Bob Jase
1/11/2016 08:22:27 am

"that's how media brain washes people's minds."

Thank Cthulhu that the History Channel and the Daily Mail are not media!

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ghettohillbilly1
1/12/2016 01:56:04 pm

Yes Yahoo is a big site, but I asked for reputable sites, and yahoo isn't really known for that and cnn is a propaghanda station so no I mean like canadian news broadcasters, like cbc, ctv or global considering they are the biggest news broadcasters hmm lets try the paper, nova scotia's biggest news paper the chronicle herald... hmm not there either so tell me where are all these viable sources you speak of? or wait let me guess its a conspiracy to hide the truth right? give me a break, I havent seen anything to indicate that hutton is testing the sword and if he is that should be a huge red flag because he has NO credentials for that sort of thing, sometimes I wonder if you hutton supporters are actually him himself as he does seem to be enough of a megalomanic to do that kinda thing, when the sword IS proven to be fake (pretty much already has) please come back so we can say we told you so

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Thomas
1/11/2016 11:33:25 pm

Claire, seroiusly. How can you be so obtuse? It is not our job to prove Pulitzer's case for him. If he wants to start talking about an ancient Roman sword found off the coast of Nova Scotia, then it is his burden of proof to show us he is correct. It is not our job to prove his case for him. We are not the ones who are supposed to go out and do all the research to verify his outrageous claims. Until he can prove otherwise we have every right to remain skeptical, and Jason Colavito has every right to debunk Pulitzer's theories and challenge his research. If the Commander can't hang with the big boys that he should stop making sensational claims in third-rate publications and acting like he is deserving of anything but first class skepticism. As for myself, I will remain skeptical because Pulitzer has a s***** reputation and I don't like to listen to a bunch of blowhards barf out nonsense and take us for fools. Lastly, this is a message for all of you supporters of the Commander: repetition of your unsubstantiated claims and arguments does not constitute a new argument. So stop doing it. Stop referring us to the same stupid articles that say nothing new.

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ghettohillbilly1
1/12/2016 02:07:58 pm

I'm starting to wonder if mr commander himself doesn't jump into comments trying to save face, that or the "magic crystals" he sells is actually the ritual koolaid

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william
1/12/2016 02:31:42 pm

I will wait until the white paper Hutton is going to publish with his two AAPF academic experts is made public. I hope it comes in rolls so I can use it in the bathroom.

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David
1/14/2016 12:20:52 am

I watched the episode and it does a good job of trying to convince people the sword is a great find. This site http://outreach.eurosites.info/outreach/gallery/album.php?id_album=8 shows what happens to metal in sea water, after one year it is almost completely eaten away and it was made of steel which is much more durable than bronze. I don't care who claims to have found it, it is an obvious fake. I have been selling antiquities from the supposed period of the sword for 13 years and not only is the patina wrong, so is the design. For a more credible story on pre-Columbian contact read http://www.ssssllc.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Romans-in-Rio.pdf

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sjcoll
1/14/2016 07:41:42 am

I have the same identical sword, bought in Rome in the '70s. It is a fake product for tourists. I have the pic if needed.

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Sjcoll a fool
1/15/2016 09:21:50 pm

Just and FYI to all these none believes read the news before you make a fool of yourself and make stupide statements the Sword has been tested and it's 100% a real Roman sword and the Canadian Government will also testing the sword. So stop being fooled by these fake writers looking for attention and followers posting B.S. when they have no idea what they are talking about.

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ghettohillbilly1 link
1/16/2016 07:05:16 am

lol sorry to say we've seen the news in fact some of us have read every article published no credible sources have said it is 100% roman, the only person whos said that is hutton pulitzer who keeps changing the story ...but hes a conman, beyond his claims there is no facts, and the fact it(the sword) was not kept in nova scotia after being already tested by the canadian government just shows how fake the sword is, you do know that the show was filmed awhile back and all the "testing" came back then, actually the only one posting BS is Mr Hutton, if you want to look like a fool keep believing his lies and distorting of history

ghettohillbilly1 is also a fool
1/16/2016 09:12:26 am

This is my point you people have no idea what testing was done you haven't read the papers or done your research and I am embarrassed that some Canadians can be this easily manipulated. It has been tested Hutton, if you watch The Curse Of Oak Island the sword was also tested by a Canadian Myles McCallum.

Since you say you done research which by you saying it is a fake you haven't here the link to the Government asking to test the sword.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1333458-oak-island-sword-gets-province%E2%80%99s-attention

If the sword was a fake it would have already been proven and your Ebay sword is a knock off by the way made in China lol the metal content doesn't match the Oak Island sword or all the features do your home work and stop feeding people false information when you don't know all the facts. Only question in hand is how did it get to Oak Island before 1940 when it was found

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ghettohillbilly1 link
1/16/2016 10:15:12 am

Please enlighten me were are these papers and reports you speak of? I read the article in the herald which questions huttons credibility and the credibility of the whole story and the one you posted saying that the sword should stay in NS IF it is real dont see where they are asking to test the sword, you say the sword was tested by hutton, for what? he is NOT and does not have the credentials to do so, so his findings are irrelevant, as to date there are around a dozen identical swords popping up all over the world, looks like it was a souvenier , so far I have not seen you provide ANY facts, your just regurgitating huttons false claims, you dont even get the story strait the sword was never found ON oak island and IF it was found in the waters off of oak island in the 40's why was it hidden? If you want you comments to be credible you need to provide proof, and that means other people than hutton the self proclaimed expert, PS Oak Island looks very pretty covered in snow and ice at the moment

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Claire
1/16/2016 01:19:54 pm

I'm an author and editor who has published on a range of topics, including archaeology, science, and horror fiction
This is this Jason guy BIO who you think has more knowledge then Hutton and you take what he wrote as evidence.

ghettohillbilly1
1/16/2016 04:19:12 pm

Claire well yes his blogs are much fore factual and accurate alot better than huttons copy and paste where to find treasure books and his sensasionalist claims that are constantly changing everytime he tells it

ghettohillbilly1 friend
1/16/2016 01:13:51 pm

Yes it was found in the waters just off the shores of Oak Island in about 25 feet of Water in 1940, Hutton claims are not false they are his theory and opinion just like your claims it is a fake based on what? What testing have you done? so how is it a fake or a false claim with the only evidence you have is I haven't seen anything (Cause your not looking very hard) if you want to kwon who Hutton he's a good read for you https://medium.com/@InvestigatingHistory.org/attempt-to-hatchet-the-head-off-history-heresy-9ffcbcf0991a#.dngvr5mvk

From my point your being very unfair and your claims are %100 false since you have never held the sword or done testing on the sword so who are you to make a claims it is fake or a false claim. Here's the link from the place you say you live but don't read the paper I guess, that states the government wants to test the sword News / Halifax http://www.metronews.ca/news/halifax/2016/01/14/province-interested-in-supposed-roman-sword-on-oak-island.html

You haven't seen the testing report by Myles McCallum team http://smu-ca.academia.edu/MylesMcCallum because they are under contact with the history channel and cannot discuss the testing that was done until it is shown on the show which is this Tuesday on the US history channel and airs in Canada on the 24th.

You need to stop focusing on Hutton and join the forums and blogs and start talking to positive people that are involved trying to find answers not give half ass one's or a attacked someone as a person. I give this Hutton guy credit he is standing up for us Canadians that know Nova Scotia is a very special place in history and is taking a lot of heat for it.

Here the link to the last Curse of Oak Island that tells you why the family had the sword for so long and none of this speaks of Hutton or involves him.
http://www.thedaretube.com/tv/the-curse-of-oak-island/season/3/episode/10
Here's drilling down with more information https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki3QcedcP_U
I hope this helps

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ghettohillbilly1
1/16/2016 04:12:14 pm

you see your actually wrong in your first statement it was ALLEGEDLY found in 25 feet of water near mahone bay, with no way no way to prove it other then stories told, right there by itself makes believing it pretty far fetched and the fact that huttons story keeps changing makes it that much harder, I also know that if the sword was as old as they say it would be in alot worse shape the north atlantic is a harsh place for any metals and thats not theory thats fact so far you havent shown me any links to things I havent already seen or watched, and trust me I know Nova Scotia and the mahone bay area are special places in history hell i grew up by an island that was raided by pirates 300 years ago, theres been cannon balls, coins found, abandoned ww1 helmet and rifle native arrow heads,etc there is also a cove named rum cove that the rum runners used in prohibition, so oak island wack job theories dont excite me and just cause people say they are an expert they need the proper credentials to back that up otherwise its no different than me and my buddies having a few shooting the bs on a friday night like ive said to others enjoy the show lol

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ghettohillbilly1 friend
1/17/2016 12:44:04 pm

I guess you didn't watch video's of the links I posted and just goes to show you still don't know crap if your still talking about this Hutton guy HE HAS NOTHINGTO DO WITH THIS SWORD BUT TESTED IT. If you watched the show and drilling down they don't speak of Hutton once and give you the information about the sword how it was found and where it was found. But keep acting like you know all the answers because you live in N.S. If you think the sword and the story is a fake keep calling Dave and Dan Blankenship liars

ghettohillbilly1
1/17/2016 05:15:48 pm

i watched the things you linked before you ever sent them to me, ignoring what I say doesnt change that, I saw the show but I also have seen Hutoon's varying story and his involvement the guy is a hack, he has NO CREDENTIALS to test the sword I believe its a souvenier sword much like many others found, the story maybe true as it was told to the blankenships but that doesnt mean it was ever a true story in the first place and because I live in NS and hutton has been slandering our people, our government, our media etc, so that kinda bothers me when he doesnt know what hes talking about I dont care what his theory is

Sjcoll
1/16/2016 01:50:11 pm

Let "Sjcoll Fool" - as you called me - say that if the Oak Sword is original, well....better, it means mine in Rome surely much more too!!!!
I will be rich!!! ahahaha!!!

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Lorne
1/18/2016 02:28:37 am

The "oak island"sword is clearly fake ,first of all the romans were nothing if not decadent . They would have never used a cast bronze sword in a ceremony of any kind,they would have forged and guilded one for such a ceremony. Also since the ebay model is so similar that also raises alot of red flags! The fact that the owner says it came from a shipwreck on the ocean floor is suspect ,the salt would have finished dissolving anything made of bronze 300 + years ago. I trust the lagina bros ,i beleive them to be honest people . What i do not trust is the constant parade of morons that they have at their table ! Every week it seems theres a new person with a wild story about oak island treasure. I hope they are smart enough to weed out all the b.s. Before these side theories drain their bank accounts.

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Reginald
1/18/2016 11:23:17 pm

Hi Lorne I'll solve this fake eBay confusion for you with one fact about the Oak Island sword that this Jason guy and all the others won't tell you because it proves them wrong or they are just lazy at doing research.
Go check the weight of the eBay sword (around 2 pounds) and then check the weight of the Oak Island sword 8 pounds. So I am sorry but this sword is not the eBay sword but you are entitled to your theory and you can believe what ever your want.
Yes their were replica swords made to look like this Roman sword because it is a very special sword and only a few were made according to the history books. To date their are only two others like this Roman sword in the world but don't take my word for it and that is the reason why a big debate is going on over it because of the sword being so rare.
The only question is and really what this Jason guy should of been looking into was, is the story where it was found and how it was found the truth, that the most important question.
My theory and this is just my theory is yes it was found in 1940 by a friend of Dan Blankenship in the bay off the coast of Oak Island why would the show lie and kill all their credibility if they did find something worth value on the island, they have millions of dollars to lose out on if they tried to pull a stunt like this it makes no sense for them to do it or the history channel to do it their to much at stake.

Tuesday curse of Oak Island episode shows the sword testing I am very interested to see what test they run on the sword. I hope it's more than a eyeball test.



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william
1/19/2016 10:22:35 pm

On the 1/19/2016 HC show they confirmed the sword is a fake. This should be called the sword that cut credibility of the AAPF supporters of Hutton and his joke. As a past member of this group I feel bad for the followers. I will close with one statement (Their is a fool born every day and two to take him)

Reginald
1/20/2016 04:08:05 pm

William On 1/19/2016 on the Curse of Oak Island show, the Saint Mary's University Halifax, NS Canada proved the sword was 100% not the eBay sword by the testing, do your home work WOW! Their is a fool born every day! READ THE LINK BELOW
http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele030.html
Also the swords are not even the same weight almost 6 pound difference lol

Hutton said 100% the sword was not the eBay sword and the test proves that 100% it is in fact not the eBay sword so Hutton was telling the truth and Jason and all you other ban wagon haters that trashed Hutton and used these fake so call eBay test result that prove the sword was the eBay one and now the results say you are wrong and now you just look like rude, ignorant unprofessional a holes that now know nothing but how to hate on a person you don't even know who was just trying to tell you the truth. Hutton XRF report shows it's a real Roman sword and he is more credible at this point with the results of the show. Now it's up to the Canadian government to have the sword tested in Roman against the confirmed Roman sword to end this debate once and for all. Is Hutton XRF report right was this sword made 2000+ years ago or was it made in the 1800's.

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William
1/20/2016 06:38:06 pm

agree with Thomas - Take the sword with you, I am sure Hutton will explain how it points toward true north. so you can not come back.

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Thomas
1/20/2016 05:29:20 pm

Reginald - Take your medication. Hutton claimed the Oak Island sword was of ancient Roman origin. It was scientifically proven to be modern. The sword is a hoax and Pulitzer is a clown.

And, by the way, we all know the Oak Island sword is different than the Ebay sword. It apparently weighs more and made of different metal composition. That, by itself, means nothing. The Ebay sword is a known tourist souvenir. The Oak Island sword is now confirmed as a modern artifact. All it means is that a different metal was poured into an 99.99% idental "Hercules" sword mold and is sold to tourists. What is wrong with all you wack jobs out there? Jason Colavito needs to install a breathalyzer into his comment section for you crazies to pass before you can make idiotic comments on his website.

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Reginald
1/20/2016 08:54:44 pm

Thomas Take your medication dude
http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele030.html
Test don't lie do they? that little shaving tested positive for Zinc only test they did I see what looks like Gold on the sword but they didn't test that area.
Zinc compounds have been used for at least 2,500 years so where do you get that the sword is a modern artifact? Could be 2500 years old could of been made in the 1800's all that test showed.
What metal would you use to make a fake 8 pound Hercules sword btw?
But like I said it is up to the Canadian government to have the sword tested against the confirmed Roman sword to end this debate once and for all. I want the truth about the sword and I am not going to write it off until an Roman expert test it. I hope your right though I hope it is a modern artifact because if it isn't and Hutton right and your proven wrong, I bet that would eat you up inside that a guy you trash and talk so badly about beat you.

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ghettohillbilly1
1/22/2016 01:37:25 pm

theres no gold on the sword its shiny brass, just like they said the sword is made of, hutoon talks of a confirmed roman sister sword that nobody can seem to find? and you believe that over academic professionals? when did they say it was 8lbs? why are you crusading for this fraud hutoon, hes just making it up nowand your defending him why?

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Thomas
1/20/2016 11:10:03 pm

*sigh*

The debate is over. The sword is modern. Compare it to anything you want.

You think that shiny area of the sword was gold? If you believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

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william
1/21/2016 08:43:36 am

Thomas - I agree with you that the fake sword has distracted and destroyed more credability than any other item I have heard of on this site. Where are the academic experts in the AAPF group that are going to stand up now. I wonder if they will remove the photo of Scot Wolter and Hutton they highlight at their last conference. If the Oak Island team look at the facts they could report them for what they are worth, however that would end the H.C. show and many want to bes would be out of a job. I was glad that the show tested the sword and removed it from research. I was surprized that Hutton was not mentioned as the so called expert that made claim of the sword'd authinticity. Especially the part where he stated it had powers to point to true north. In 1878 a Sophia Sellers fell into a sink hole when plowing 100 yards east of the money pit. Her sink hole was directly above a flood tunnel made by nature. I only brought this up because when you watch the H.C. you need to understand the difference between a sink hole and a stink hole.

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Eric
1/21/2016 10:24:06 pm

Hutton still wants you to believe in the sword you got to listen.

https://soundcloud.com/investigatinghistory/history-channel-hid-the-truth-about-history-from-you-using-the-oak-island-roman-sword

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Eric
1/21/2016 10:26:50 pm

Hutton has the 90 foot stone can it be true tune in next week to find out on the next episode of curse of never giving any answer island.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1946376-exclusive-new-evidence-ancient-romans-may-have-made-it-to-oak-island-canada/?photo=5

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Bob Jase
1/22/2016 07:27:07 am

Thanks for the link - if anyone would like to know just what JHP's xrf can do see http://www.thermoscientific.com/en/product/niton-xl3t-goldd-xrf-analyzer.html for details. Note that its not what he claims.

Eric
1/22/2016 01:18:57 pm

Thanks for the link
I was shocked on how lacking in skill and knowledge the university was on the process of testing the sword and the information they gave was misleading. Something that was supposed to be this huge find you think the professor I think his name was Myles would be involved in this process from start to finish that was very disappointing. Why didn't they do XRF testing since it was already done on the sword says this Hutton guy and compare the results and why did they just test the tip of the sword and not tested the handle also to see what that was made of. If this university did the right testing then the debate could finally be put to a rest but that's the curse of Oak Island never giving any answers just, could it be! tune in next week to find out if we found more wood.

ghettohillbilly1
1/22/2016 01:29:23 pm

The university did a fine job the tested the metal directly which is more accurate than a handheld xrf (xray)scanner (especially when used by an amateur like hutoon), there is nothing misleading about the findings, in fact they are quite conclusive, the only misleading thing is hutoon trying to change the story and make it up as he goes along always changing it to suit his theories and ideas, evr notice how he is NEVER wrong?, if the sword was worth testing further they would have but theres no point in testing a MODERN SOUVENIER

Eric
1/22/2016 11:06:24 pm

ghettohillbilly1

I think with an issue like this we need more then just a fine test, when it comes to putting this to an end. I don't believe the sword is 2500 years old but the testing result even though the student said it was modern she made a false statement because those result are also found in Roman items dating back to 2500 years. I think you seen photo's of the sword and one side of the handle doesn't have an edge and the professor fail to point this out if it was a two way mold it would be on both sides. I don't believe this Hutton guy but he does make some really good points . I want your honest truth no BS if you had found this sword would you have been happy with this testing and would you have asked question?

Tk
1/23/2016 03:24:19 pm

New fb group.... Thinking People VS Hutton Pulitzer Thinking. Lol.

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Rickk
11/26/2017 08:20:18 pm

Seen one of his adventures on Treasure force . Looked totally prefabricated and staged in every way. This sword of the Roman era found off of Oak Island another example . No way could a sword be in such perfect condition resting in salt water for such a long time and being found without any type of corrosion. I have never ever seen copper or bronze be in such perfect shape from a salt water environment. No one has showed any proof of any Roman encampments or a Real roman ship that has sunk in the vicinity........ prove this......claim

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      • Intimations of Persecution
      • Zecharia Sitchin's World
      • Jesus' Alien Ancestors?
      • Extraterrestrial Evolution?
    • Collection: Skeptic Magazine >
      • America Before Review
      • Native American Discovery of Europe
      • Interview: Scott Sigler
      • Golden Fleeced
      • Oh the Horror
      • Discovery of America
      • Supernatural Television
      • Review of Civilization One
      • Who Lost the Middle Ages
      • Charioteer of the Gods
    • Collection: Ancient History >
      • Prehistoric Nuclear War
      • The China Syndrome
      • Atlantis, Mu, and the Maya
      • Easter Island Exposed
      • Who Built the Sphinx?
      • Who Built the Great Pyramid?
      • Archaeological Cover Up?
    • Collection: The Lovecraft Legacy >
      • Pauwels, Bergier, and Lovecraft
      • Lovecraft in Bergier
      • Lovecraft and Scientology
    • Collection: UFOs >
      • Alien Abduction at the Outer Limits
      • Aliens and Anal Probes
      • Ultra-Terrestrials and UFOs
      • Rebels, Queers, and Aliens
    • Scholomance: The Devil's School
    • Prehistory of Chupacabra
    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
  • The Library
    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
          • Horapollo
          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
          • The Three Hermeses
          • Kore Kosmou
          • Corpus Hermeticum
          • The Asclepius
          • The Emerald Tablet
          • Hermetic Fragments
          • Prologue to the Kyranides
          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
          • Prologue to Ibn Umayl's Silvery Water
          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
          • Fragments on Atlantis
          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
        • Gunung Padang
        • Tales of Enchanted Islands
        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
        • The 1909 Grand Canyon Hoax
        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
        • Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay on Cathars
        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
    • Free Classic Pseudohistory eBooks
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