A few months ago, Jacques Vallée, the longtime UFO researcher and scientific advisor to space-demon-hunting billionaire Robert Bigelow, published the fourth volume of his diaries, Forbidden Science, covering the 1990s. In that book, Vallée made the shocking allegation that the CIA staged fake alien abductions in Latin America and that there were documents that supported the allegation: “I have secured a document confirming that the CIA simulated UFO abductions in Latin America (Brazil and Argentina) as psychological warfare experiments.” Vallée did not provide support for the dramatic assertion in Forbidden Science, which prompted Jack Brewer of The UFO Trail blog to ask him for his evidence. The answer was… exactly what you’d expect: a mixture of arrogance, incuriosity, and buck-passing in place of actual proof. When asked directly to provide evidence to support the assertion, Vallée replied with this nonsense: I am not an expert in any of it, but my computer surveys tend to go TILT! when some relevant cases come up. So I don’t have a dog in the political fight, I’m just trying to avoid polluting my databases with garbage. That’s why I felt a duty to call attention to the issue. If you talk to serious researchers in Latin America, you will find they are not as naive in this field as US ufologists. Nothing in that response had any relevance to the question, and kudos to Brewer for pushing back on Vallée’s Continental curlicue of rhetorical avoidance. While Brewer is much more deferential to Vallée’s perceived status as an elder statesman of paranoid paranormal studies than I would ever be, he did manage to ruffle the old man’s feathers by asking him for proof. Vallée’s response on Thursday was the kind of deflection popular with politicians who want to avoid committing to a position: I don’t have any further comments on the substance of the request or, obviously, about my source which I am obligated to protect. […] Most of the documents I have referred to, or used in the compilation of my diaries, have been donated to a University with a 10-year embargo on access — specifically to avoid the kind of spurious quarrels that erupt in ufology on a regular basis. So I expect that historical details like these will see the light of day in due course. Just consider for a moment the sheer disingenuousness of this statement. Government documents are public records, so if Vallée has one, the only way he would be obliged to protect it is if the document were classified and he received if via an illegal leak, in which case he should not be providing illegal documents to a university. Or, worse, he could be using the word “document” to hide the fact that he is not using actual U.S. government documents but rather news reports, paranoid screeds, or any other scraps of paper from Latin America. (The document might be a Latin American government report, but this seems unlikely given that it is reporting on two countries who were hostile to one another until the 1980s.) Second, since his original statement was made in the 1990s, any documents must have been in his possession at least 20 years, meaning that he is using the 10-year embargo—which he himself chose—in order to avoid the need to provide evidence for his claims. He has withheld potentially explosive evidence for 30 years or more (!) while personally benefited from pretending to be the only mediator between the evidence and the public.
Vallée need not “expect” mere “details” to be public “in due course.” He could release the documents right now if he so chose, or he could tell us what the documents are so that they could be obtained directly from the relevant government agencies, or so they could be revealed to be random noise from midcentury ufologists. Indeed, the CIA’s publicly released UFO files find Spanish-language newspaper reports cataloging conspiracy theories about the CIA’s activities in Latin America. Vallée’s assertion is not entirely ridiculous on the surface, and it would go a long way toward demonstrating that many of the elements of modern ufology are not the semi-supernatural occurrences of popular depiction. His refusal to provide the proof that at least some space aliens aren’t from outer space is bizarre given that elements of his claims are already available in public records. The CIA’s own documents, available online, record that in the early 1950s, Walter Bedell Smith, the Director of Central Intelligence, asked how to use “the UFO phenomenon in connection with US psychological warfare efforts,” a directive recorded in a contemporary memorandum in 1952. Anyway, Vallée has a long track record of accepting dubious claims, questionable evidence, and hoaxes as data in his grand but often incoherent models of UFOs as an interdimensional paranormal phenomenon. He also has longstanding relationships with Robert Bigelow and the members of To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, all of whom suckle at the government teat as recipients of Defense Department largesse, and the latter claiming also to have secret information from intelligence agencies like the CIA. The real question is this: What is he hiding, and why doesn’t he want us to see it?
126 Comments
An Anonymous Nerd
12/21/2019 10:34:14 am
"Researcher" is not an appropriate word, as it implies actual research was performed.
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Machala
12/21/2019 11:23:01 am
Once again Valée slithers around the truth and hides his fabrications by telling us the "documental proofs" were donated to an UNAMED University to be held from public view for ten years, or such time as when Valée has become so non compos mentis, that he won't care that everyone finds out what a fraud he really was.
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Vallee
12/21/2019 11:37:49 am
You're no better than Vallee
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Kent
12/21/2019 01:47:02 pm
"The whole thing is too ridiculous - even for the American spooks - to have been taken seriously and implemented."
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Machala
12/21/2019 02:26:39 pm
Kent,
Kent
12/21/2019 03:11:51 pm
Why would anyone dose their coworkers in the Technical Services Division with LSD during office hours? To see what happens. Remember these are the folks who wanted to make Castro's beard fall out.
Vallee
12/22/2019 08:40:24 am
Two of them in stereo
Vallee
12/22/2019 08:48:27 am
There are posters on this Blog far worse than Vallee because of their anti-Semitism. Both Machala and Kent are anti-Semitic.
Luis Cayetano
9/3/2021 06:17:31 am
"Why? The whole thing is too ridiculous" There are in fact plausible reasons for why they might do such a thing (I'm not saying that they did, and Vallee's refusal to finally supply the purported documents points to them either not existing or that they show something far removed from what he says they show) but there are precedents for the use of supernatural beliefs, and even belief in UFOs, in psychological operations. Possible reasons to do it:
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Doc Rock
12/21/2019 12:29:00 pm
I don't think it is unheard of for people to donate materials to a university with the agreement that they won't be made available for a certain period of time. However, if it is a public university I THINK that some sort of public disclosure would be made since some funds for long term storage and curation of the materials would be involved.
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Machala
12/21/2019 01:11:37 pm
I agree wholeheartedly. My point was that IF the evidence did exist and IF Valée actually did donate this stuff to a university, WHY won't he name the university?
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Kent
12/22/2019 12:36:54 am
You raise a good point but unless there's a specific G/L account for the collection or its care and feeding have been charged individually to a specific funds center or cost center, the chances of a paper trail are pretty iffy.
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Doc Rock
12/22/2019 11:27:43 am
These people tend to be attention whores so I could also imagine him wanting an announcement of the donation on the front page of the library newsletter or the university news website. That often happens with any large collection.But then why refuse to name the institution?
gdave
12/21/2019 01:15:52 pm
"...the only way he would be obliged to protect it is if the document were classified and he received if via an illegal leak, in which case he should not be providing illegal documents to a university."
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Kent
12/21/2019 01:44:26 pm
Your second paragraph seems a little hinky to me. I suspect it's not correct.
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An Anonymous Nerd
12/21/2019 06:12:00 pm
18 USC 798 subdivision a
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Kent
12/21/2019 06:38:48 pm
Now I'm hungry for spaghetti.
Vallee
12/22/2019 08:43:59 am
Like you hate Matzah Ball Soup
Leif
12/21/2019 07:16:28 pm
It doesn’t look like Vallée attached much importance to the document he mentions– either in the 1990s when he wrote the diary entry, or today when he emailed Jack Brewer.
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Kent
12/22/2019 01:59:17 am
"It doesn’t look like Vallée attached much importance to the document he mentions– either in the 1990s when he wrote the diary entry, or today when he emailed Jack Brewer."
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Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 04:48:36 pm
"It's cute that you think he wrote the 1990s diaries in the 1990s and not a few months ago".
Kent
12/25/2019 06:38:18 pm
My opinion is just as valid as your opinion, and opinion is all you have. What I'm saying is "Your opinion is invalid, stupid, and based on nothing."
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 07:53:32 pm
So you want to hold him accountable for some personal note that he wrote to himself back in the 90s...and you call me an idiot, really?
Kent
12/25/2019 08:05:31 pm
Tell me, you extremely stupid idiot:
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 08:49:57 pm
If someone writes a "personal diary" in 2019 but as if it was written back in the 90s, and then publishes it claiming it was written in the 90s, then yes, it can be considered as forging a diary.
Kent
12/25/2019 09:38:24 pm
I never said that's what happened you extremely stupid idiot. What is wrong with you?
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 09:57:26 pm
"I never said that's what happened...", But you did strongly imply this is the case :
Kent
12/27/2019 02:54:49 pm
"And at this point, it does not that matter, as I said, what you did, according to laws in my country was sexual harassment :
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/27/2019 04:09:11 pm
One of the paragraphs of sexual harassment :
Kent
12/27/2019 04:43:44 pm
Is it customary in your country that the person milking the cow has sex with the cow? Interesting.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/27/2019 05:36:25 pm
"If you're embarrassed about your desire to milk me you can contact me privately"
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/27/2019 05:40:50 pm
Do you being considered a sexual pervert in your country too?
Kent
12/27/2019 05:54:45 pm
I'm sorry you're a murder loving homophobe who thinks about having sex with cows, but I'm not in YOUR COUNTRY because the laws there suck.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/27/2019 06:29:12 pm
The problem with the sentence :
Kent
12/27/2019 07:20:42 pm
It's not possible to talk to you in a way that is not condescending and humiliating because you are an idiot and a waste product completely focused on gay sex and sex with cows.
Bezalel
12/27/2019 11:16:31 pm
Scalia Joseph Kent
Jr. Time Lord
12/21/2019 09:45:41 pm
"I don’t have any further comments on the substance of the request or, obviously, about my source which I am obligated to protect. […] Most of the documents I have referred to, or used in the compilation of my diaries, have been donated to a University with a 10-year embargo on access — specifically to avoid the kind of spurious quarrels that erupt in ufology on a regular basis. So I expect that historical details like these will see the light of day in due course."
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Kent
12/22/2019 01:31:38 am
I missed the part where Vallee said he destroyed the originals you idiot.
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Vallee
12/22/2019 08:41:21 am
You anti-Semitic idiot
Kent
12/22/2019 01:51:08 pm
You're in the wrong department. Please see Mr. Scales for fulfillment of your stalking needs.
Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 06:22:52 am
Even though I say so myself, I think my latest article explains the Vallee/CIA/simulated alien abductions story that is going around:
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Jim
12/23/2019 09:59:03 am
So, in a nutshell, (pun intended) you think the CIA was flying around South America in the 50s using helicopters to spray LSD or some such drug on unsuspecting victims then dragging them into the chopper and paying a hooker to have sex with them ?
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Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 10:21:35 am
In a nutshell, this is the story that Bosco Nedelcovic told to Rich Reynolds in the late 1970s.
Kent
12/23/2019 10:47:05 am
It's well documented that the CIA had buildings in San Francisco and New York dedicated to similar experiments. Jim.
Jim
12/23/2019 10:50:40 am
Nick Redfern,,,
Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 11:20:35 am
Something like this (a fifties helicopter) could do the job: It's certainly big enough.
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Jim
12/23/2019 11:57:43 am
"Something like this (a fifties helicopter) could do the job: It's certainly big enough."
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Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 12:03:13 pm
He said it looked like an elongated egg with something spinning around very fast on top of it, and making a beating noise as it took off. It's a helicopter.
Jim
12/23/2019 12:36:30 pm
"It's a helicopter."
Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 01:09:21 pm
I say it's a helicopter because of his description: elongated egg, a beat-beat-beat as it took off. The top was, and I quote, "revolving at great speed." That's why it's a helicopter!
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Jim
12/23/2019 01:36:40 pm
"Yes, the document says "groggy" after hit by a "chemical derivative" and that the crew "laid him next to" his tractor after the incident. "
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Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 01:53:34 pm
No, I'm not cherry picking.
Jim
12/23/2019 02:19:17 pm
"Look: here, below, are Villas Boas' OWN words"
Jim
12/23/2019 02:30:37 pm
P.S.
Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 03:13:01 pm
Of course, it wasn't in English. Jeeeez. He lived in Brazil!! It was translated into English. And Villas Boas was shown it for accuracy for publication. Did you really need telling that it had to be translated?!
Jim
12/23/2019 03:35:55 pm
"Of course, it wasn't in English. Jeeeez. He lived in Brazil!! It was translated into English. And Villas Boas was shown it for accuracy for publication. Did you really need telling that it had to be translated?!"
Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 01:18:31 pm
The Villas Boas was not a UFO event. It was a total set-up. No aliens at all. Also, Jack Brewer noted this morning that over the weekend he has filed FOIA requests with a handful of agencies for info on Nedelcovic. Maybe this will open some doors, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Paul
12/23/2019 02:13:09 pm
No doubt JV is an intelligent individual.
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Kent
12/23/2019 02:16:18 pm
Vallee writes: “I have secured a document confirming that the CIA simulated UFO abductions in Latin America (Brazil and Argentina) as psychological warfare experiments.”
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Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 02:51:15 pm
As I said in my article (link below), the "document" is either (A) a legit CIA doc, or (B) it's just the report that UFO researcher Rich Reynolds put together in the 1970s, based on the revelations of Bosco Nedelcovic, which Nedelcovic shared with Rich. It's a pity we can't get clarification on this above-point from Vallee what the document is.
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Kent
12/23/2019 03:14:02 pm
Or (C) It's completely made up. The putative document that is.
Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 03:30:01 pm
But why bother hoaxing such a thing? A hoaxer could instead cite the Nedelcovic papers, which are real.
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Kent
12/23/2019 04:52:36 pm
"But why bother hoaxing such a thing?"
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Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 03:47:41 pm
Jim
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Jim
12/23/2019 03:55:25 pm
Fair enough, if you will stop with the; "It was a helicopter ! " etc.
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Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 04:07:25 pm
I can't stop saying that, because I DO think it was a helicopter. But, there's not a chance of getting answers by just doing a back-and-forth here. So, I'll have words with Rich and see if that can open anything else up. He really is the guy to speak to. Or Vallee if he would only expand on that CIA angle.
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Jim
12/23/2019 04:54:57 pm
Apparently you don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion.
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Mr opinion
12/24/2019 05:53:48 am
"Apparently you don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion".
Pipi
12/25/2019 12:45:13 pm
.... and my opinion is that you are an idiot.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 07:07:20 pm
Well PIPI, you know what you can do with your opinion....
Pipi
12/25/2019 07:26:08 pm
Oh, I was replying to Jim, FWIW. Lol
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 07:32:23 pm
Sorry, my bad.
Pipi
12/25/2019 07:38:16 pm
Nw, realized it wasn't clear, and Jim should know what I think of him ;)
Nick Redfern
12/23/2019 04:31:31 pm
My last words on all this (unless something significant surfaces) are that, as of today, Jack Brewer is saying he now thinks the Vallee document thing is all connected with the Bosco Nedelcovic claims.
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Dimitry Tsukerman
12/23/2019 05:14:30 pm
Jacques Vallée is 80years old. You are attacking an 80-year-old guy really?
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Jim
12/23/2019 05:37:40 pm
Black Jacques Vallée got off easy, he's lucky the CIA didn't install him in Guantanamo Bay.
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Benajmin Button
12/24/2019 02:26:30 pm
Why should age make someone immune to criticism? Unless the guy is demonstrably senile or exhibiting some other type of mental disability he is just as subject to being called out for bullshit as a 30 year old.
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Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 02:02:25 am
I didn't mean that he should be immune to criticism, but you should take into account that the person is not in his...prime on his intellectual abilities, which means you should be objective and fair (not manipulative and sneaky), and in this case, it is exactly the opposite what Jason did (see my comments below for explanation).
Benjamin Button
12/25/2019 10:45:06 am
So the older someone gets the more fair and objective we should be with them as opppsed to less fairness and objectivity with younger fringe authors? People discussed here tend to have long established track records for BS and it doesn't improve with age. Pleading age instead of trying to defend their work on its merits is a copout.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 04:37:13 pm
You always should be fair and objective, regardless of age, but, presenting data in a manipulative way to attack 80 years old it is somewhat distasteful, to say the least. and I did reference my "defence" regarding THIS TOPIC.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/24/2019 06:26:22 am
Hold on a second...you, Jason Colavito, criticizing Jacques Vallée for not providing the document that he is talking about in his book Forbidden Science......BUT, this book is actually his private diary now published, it is his personal notes which he wrote to himself during the 90, it is not like he made an official statement about it, which, by itself indicated that there was a problem with this document, maybe regarding its sources, who knows,
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Kent
12/24/2019 01:06:59 pm
If he said in his diary he had a cure for cancer would you ask for proof or just give him the Nobel Prize?
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Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 01:39:31 am
I would ask for proof only if he made an official statement about it. Jacques Vallee wrote two books on the possibility that some UFOs incidents may be a mind-controlled experiment: "Messengers of Deception" and "REVELATIONS: Alien Contact and Human Deception", none of them references this document, this by itself tells you that there was a good reason for Vallee not mention it.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 01:41:36 am
"And yet you and Jason still think that Vallee owes you some proof...no he doesn't". Regarding this document I mean.
Kent
12/25/2019 12:30:26 pm
How is “I have secured a document confirming that the CIA simulated UFO abductions in Latin America (Brazil and Argentina) as psychological warfare experiments” in a book he published NOT an "official statement"?
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 03:52:57 pm
Well, asshole, when this statement is written in a diary as a PERSONAL note, wasn't referenced by him in his books or his speeches, and even if the diary is published later (as his dairy), this statement is still considered to be a private note, not an official statement.
Kent
12/25/2019 04:29:02 pm
Ah! True colors. How do they feel about your use of profanity at the university?
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 06:20:12 pm
“How do they feel about your use of profanity at the university?”
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 06:32:01 pm
Yes, and do you understand what "this book is actually his private diary now published" means? (Besides you are a moron*).
Kent
12/25/2019 06:49:12 pm
You're making Anthony Warren and E.P. Grondine look sane and smart.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 07:00:22 pm
Kent please...how the hell do you know what a smart person looks like?
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 07:03:36 pm
Dickhead :
Kent
12/25/2019 07:34:13 pm
Keep posting. Keep making yourself look bad. Keep using bad language. Keep putting your stupidity in a venue you can't control, where you can't erase it.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 08:20:47 pm
If someone starts calling me names, sexually harassing me...and I respond accordingly...why should I bee concern that it's public and available?
Lent
12/25/2019 09:48:35 pm
As Fiddler said to Kunta Kinte in Roots "You in America now bwoy!"
K/L/ent
12/25/2019 09:54:12 pm
So, are you saying you WOULD like to milk me? If you want to do the dance of bringing a lawsuit first, that's kind of a turn-on. For you I guess, it doesn't do anything for me. I just want to be milked.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 10:11:19 pm
As Fiddler said to Kunta Kinte in Roots "You in America now bwoy!"
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 10:38:45 pm
Before I go I do have two questions which I am sure you will be glad to answer :
Kent
12/25/2019 11:21:23 pm
"But like I said if you don't have anything smart to add (which I am sure you don't) I am ending this conversation because, at this point, it is obvious you just a troll who embarrassed himself.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 11:35:53 pm
I just wanted to verify if you are a racist. I don't know what is "homosexual savages" or "Negro savages" are, but obviously you made a record her bay being racist and homophobic on record time, goodbye.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/25/2019 11:38:39 pm
"you made a record her bay* being"
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/26/2019 09:39:32 am
No, it's not another response to you, Kent (Lent, Klent whoever or whatever you are), because obviously we have nothing more to talk about, I just want that my final response to be accurately written, which is :
Kent
12/26/2019 01:48:56 pm
Yet you're okay with "Jewish savages" and babies dying in nuclear fire. Interesting. So I'll put you down as a "Yes" on killing savage Jewish babies?
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/26/2019 03:13:06 pm
Jewish myself. and no, we don't like racist pricks like you either. so f*** off.
Kent
12/26/2019 05:54:41 pm
So you're okay with babies dying in nuclear fire as long as they're not savage Jewish babies? Help me here, I'm trying to establish your position.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/26/2019 11:51:37 pm
So you what you are saying is, that after you already been exposed be racist, homophobic, who starts personally to attack people and making sexually perversive comments just because he is not smart enough to admit he is wrong, after all this, and you still try to make ME look bad? well, good luck with that.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/26/2019 11:55:21 pm
*have been exposed to be racist and homophobic
Kent
12/27/2019 01:11:20 am
So you're okay with babies dying in nuclear fire as long as they're not savage Jewish babies? Help me here, I'm trying to establish your position.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/27/2019 12:13:51 pm
My position is that in the following statement you show that you are a racist dickhead :
Kent
12/27/2019 02:00:49 pm
It never occurred to me that you were Israeli. My guess would have been Ukrainian. If you were Israeli I would hate you because of your stupidity and nationality, not your religion. If Ukrainian, I would hate you because of your stupidity, not your nationality or your religion.
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/27/2019 03:44:36 pm
"It never occurred to me that you were Israeli...."
Kent
12/27/2019 04:04:18 pm
You're all kinds of wound up aren't you? You're all over the map. I think the world would be a better place if fewer than a hundred people were dead and and that means I want to genocide Ukraine? You really are an idiot.
Bezalel
12/27/2019 11:25:22 pm
Kent
Bezalel
12/27/2019 11:43:26 pm
By the way Zookerman.
Bezalel
12/28/2019 12:01:29 am
My boner is out of control and my mouth is the U.N.'s dick holster. Everyone come on ova my house! White men, black men, bodybuilders, stern but loving drill sergeants!
Dimitry Tsukerman
12/28/2019 05:25:02 am
Well, Mr. Bezaza or Pazuzu,
Kent
12/28/2019 01:26:49 pm
"his diaries got published recently"
Tsukerman
12/28/2019 08:43:29 pm
kent
12/28/2019 09:26:07 pm
Based on your remarks and your mildly retarded attempt at analysis, I conclude that you are a racist idiot who wants to see Christian and Muslim babies die in nuclear fire and Vallee is a liar. If you weren't defending him I would think of him less harshly. But you taint him.
Tsukerman
12/28/2019 09:42:13 pm
If only I had a dollar every time you blamed me for what YOU said...
Pipi
12/25/2019 12:46:52 pm
Huh?
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Bob Jase
12/24/2019 02:32:04 pm
Vallee has been pumping thew same crap out since I was in grade school more than 50 years ago anfd he never produced any credible evidence for his claims.
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MR OPINION
12/25/2019 01:48:18 am
Would you like me to show you how his BASIC claims are not only possible BUT were accepted as a likely probability on the government level ?
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Bob Jase
12/25/2019 10:51:31 am
The same government that wasted millions on psychic research?
Kent
12/25/2019 02:43:20 pm
The same government that came up with:
MR OPINION
12/25/2019 04:21:09 pm
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