Jacques Vallée Discusses UFO Isotope Ratios and the Nature of Reality on "Grimerica"
This morning the Daily Grail published an article describing an interview that writer Red Pill Junkie had with Jacques Vallée on Friday’s Grimerica podcast, and it was an embarrassing exercise in hero worship. RPJ, in fact, wrote that “I was just too 'starstruck' and intimidated by being in the presence of such a legend, anyway” to speak to him coherently. I swear I will not understand that. What I do understand is RPJ’s claim that his views on UFOs would change when “I would start rewatching the whole series of [Star Trek:] The Next Generation, available in its entirety on the Netflix platform.” The cross-pollination of science fiction and ufology, presence from the opening moments of the UFO era, is too well established to surprise
But the importance of this interview is that it offers more information of Vallée’s claim, made recently on the Skeptico podcast, that he was in the process of testing UFO debris and that the tests had found unearthly chemical composition.
Much of the Grimerica interview was rather long and dull and discussed subjects of little interest to me. A huge chunk, for example, discusses the Fatima apparition of the Virgin Mary, and Vallée describes the various oddities and inconsistencies of the story, to no conclusion. I was rather disappointed that Vallée is still promoting the same false claims about ancient Greco-Roman accounts of UFOs he’s been hawking since the 1960s, but he added a new claim, that such accounts were written “for the Triumvirate in Rome” and therefore were more credible than “just some local Roman newspaper. This was official record of the Empire.” Tell that to Livy’s accounts of odd animal prodigies. I needn’t say that the Triumvirate (first or second) never commissioned “official” UFO records, nor were the writings of the historians, which were almost universally hostile to the emperors, “official” in any sense.
In the interview, Vallée announced his newfound belief that so-called alien implants are anomalous bodies that require scientific investigation as potential evidence of alien encounters. The so-called “implants” tested by science have routinely proved to be splinters, odd bodily deposits, and other random earthly debris. RPJ is tickled pink by the idea that Vallée has come around to embracing a claim from popular ufology, praising him for changing his mind in light of “new” evidence. By “new” he presumably means anything added to ufology after 1970. (In fact, at one point he even says that it is fair to ask what is new in ufology since 1960.)
But more important is the question of the metal slag that Vallée had tested using a mass spectrometer. According to Vallée, the chunks of magnesium slag that supposedly fell off of damaged flying saucers returned isotopic ratios inconsistent with either earthly or meteoric metals. But because he has not provided the data, we have no way of evaluating whether these isotopic ratios are truly anomalous. One of the slag samples came from Argentina. He said that the results indicated that the metal had been “reengineered” by artificially separating and recombining the isotopes in novel ratios for an unfathomable purpose.
And here is the sorry state of ufology, even when funded by a venture capitalist using expensive equipment. Rather than testing additional examples of magnesium to determine whether there are natural or human processes that alter the isotopic ratios (the Murray Island slag had gone through industrial processing, for example), or whether they had missed something in their research, Vallée instead came to conclude that space aliens have the power to synthesize metal from pure energy:
RPJ: Are you saying these results suggest we're dealing with an agency not only capable of manipulating the space-time continuum—the way you and other researchers have documented in plenty of cases— but also capable of transforming energy into matter, and vice versa?
He added that he suspects that the United States government has been covering up these alien isotopes as part of a wide-ranging effort to suppress the truth about UFOs, and he said that he “knows” that U.S. government scientists have been doing similar research about ten years in advance of where Vallée is now. Vallée and RPJ wondered together that whether the connection between Vallée’s speculative reality-manipulating extraterrestrials and ancient Gnostic religious beliefs about an evil archon manipulating reality is more than coincidental. RPJ confesses that the whole discussion was inspired by a Star Trek episode he had recently seen, and which he and Vallée apparently take for an accidental truth. The episode in question, the show’s 1987 pilot “Encounter at Farpoint,” features a giant space jellyfish, more or less, that looks like a flying saucer and can synthesize energy into matter. Since I am not a Star Trek aficionado (and was 6 when the episode aired) I’ve never seen it, but it does answer a question I guess I didn’t know I have had for 20 years. In 1996, Karl Shuker, the cryptozoologist, wrote in his book The Unexplained that he wondered if UFOs were really flying aerial jellyfish. I had long credited him with originality in that speculation, but it turns out, he was just copying from Star Trek, a franchise that in turn had long been influenced by ancient astronauts and midcentury ufology, which in turn drew on Golden Age science fiction. The interesting thing is that one could write an entire history of ufology without ever having to deal with material evidence, largely because there really isn’t much that passes for it.
I guess that’s why Vallée is interested in slag.
But I guess I am more interested in the fact that Vallée and RPJ chose to view the even the supposed physical evidence of UFOs as the transmuted alchemical endpoint of a hypothetical reality-bending being that can fuse energy into matter, and all of that as a rendering of Gnostic beliefs about the evil and falseness of the material world. Vallée doesn’t make this claim explicit, but it is the underlying theme beneath his current research. He seems to be hunting for a way out of reality, and, like so many other ancient astronaut theorists, hopes to find transcendence by looking for physical proof of spiritual hopes.
9/20/2017 09:57:53 am
That feedback process between Science Fiction and UFO Believers is a fascinating subject. Curt Collins has launched a new blog, which has a series in progress looking at just that, as well as many UFO stories Believers leave out of their 'Best Cases Ever' listings.
9/20/2017 12:09:17 pm
I'm pretty sure the UFOs-are-aerial-jellyfish idea is older than that. I'd swear I've come across even earlier references, but in 1987, Palladium Books published the first edition of the Beyond the Supernatural roleplaying game, which featured aerial jellyfish-like creatures that were the origin of flying saucer reports. Coincidentally, it was released in September 1987, the same month Star Trek: The Next Generation premiered, far too late for it to have had any influence on the game.
9/20/2017 12:24:30 pm
Sounds like you're not familiar with rods?
9/20/2017 12:35:22 pm
I am in fact familiar with rods, but AFAIK, those don't show up in the fringe literature until the 1990s, with the widespread use of the type of camcorders that record insects flying close to the lens as elongated, translucent "crytpids".
9/20/2017 12:43:17 pm
So, a little googling, and I found this:
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/20/2017 03:26:26 pm
No, the Farpoint creature had nothing to do with Earth.
Scott David Hamilton
9/20/2017 12:25:16 pm
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a story called The Horror of the Heights, about an airplane pilot who flies higher than any one has and finds semi-amorphous giant jellyfish and tentacle monsters. Ivan Sanderson proposed that UFOs might be living creatures in his book Invisible Residents. It was an old idea when Shuker wrote about it.
9/20/2017 12:47:33 pm
@Scott David Hamilton,
9/20/2017 12:29:44 pm
If Jacques Vallee is looking for a way out of reality, all he needs to do is meet with Graham Hancock. He will introduce him to his drug dealer.
9/20/2017 02:42:49 pm
If Vallée is hesitant to reveal the results of his testing, it's a sure bet he already knows his claim is false. I fail to understand how he's sitting on a golden opportunity to prove the existence of UFOs and, by extension, extraterrestrials, but goes on to make his claim without tangible proof. I'm beginning to wonder if becoming a laughingstock is seen as the path to credibility by the fringe.
9/20/2017 07:50:58 pm
Honestly, the only useful information that came out of this discussion between RPJ and Vallee is that Star Trek: TNG is on Netflix.
9/20/2017 09:27:21 pm
I wholeheartedly agree
9/20/2017 09:29:22 pm
Why do all these fringe people think the government can keep these secrets and do such advanced research? Obviously none of them ever worked for it. As a government researcher I can confidently state that there is no way we would be able to keep such a secret.
9/20/2017 10:19:13 pm
Jason, I know time is scarce with the baby and work and the blog, but do yourself a favor and put on some TNG. I know others will argue you have to watch the original series first, and I will agree it's far more heavily dosed with ancient astronaut (and fringe in general) bullshit, but TNG is just a nice vacation for the brain.
9/20/2017 11:05:35 pm
I don't care what other people watch on TV, but I will chime in that they occasionally touch on some deep topics, e.g. "what does it mean to have rights", "what does it mean to be human" and torture ("there are four lights" - that's not a spoiler), the nature of communication, and "what if everyone lost their memory and you could climb on top of that hot woman you've been having workplace friction with?"
9/21/2017 10:56:45 am
When Star Trek the Next Generation came out, I dubbed it "Star Trek the Next Cancellation". However, when it was renewed I started watching it and truly enjoyed it. My favorite episode being the one where Picard was struck by a beam from a space beacon and then lived another man's life in another world. Think that one won awards as well.
9/21/2017 04:27:48 pm
On the bright side you had seven years after its cancellation to enjoy those sweet sweet reruns. I myself looked into suing al-Qaeda because I lost my ability to taste cinnamon after 9/11, but that went nowhere. Turns out they're basically judgement-proof.
9/22/2017 11:28:46 am
Well, you can sue anyone for anything. Trick is winning... and then collecting. I supposed I moved on to darker fare that instead celebrated our malevolence rather than untapped, unrealized and unrealistic potential. But that's fantasy for ya.
7/25/2019 03:25:45 am
Yes, the name of the episode was "The Inner Light ". It did win some significant awards and is absolutely classic. Considered by TNG fans to be a top ten episode
9/25/2017 02:49:32 am
I don't know where you get that idea that retrieved implants turned out to be all that stuff, I have seen photos of them and read descriptions and never ran across anything that was just normal garbage, that some such things have been misidentified as maybe an implant till dug out I think I read once, but the bulk of them aren't normal and some broadcast at 300-something GHz.
8/3/2018 01:41:26 pm
The answers to some of the questions raised about JV's claims, including numbers for isotopic ratios, can be seen in a presentation he gave last year that's up on youtube:
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