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Jacques Vallee Gives Presentation on Pre-Modern UFOs

6/9/2015

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Last week ufologist Jacques Vallée and his writing partner Chris Aubeck appeared at the Inhabited Skies conference in Spain alongside Fortean researchers Theo Paijmans and Nigel Watson to discuss ancient astronauts and modern UFOs. It was an odd look into Vallée’s somewhat ill-informed views on ancient astronauts. At one point during the conference, Vallée tried to answer a question about the Anunnaki and ended up revealing a bit more than I expected. But to understand his answer we have to start at the beginning of his presentation, at about the 1:37:00 mark in the video below.

ARSTRONOMY. Encuentros “El cielo habitado” 27.05.15 (v.o.) from La Casa Encendida on Vimeo.

Vallée offered a lecture on ancient astronauts, beginning with Carl Jung’s book on UFOs, which he identified as the first academic study of the “importance” of ancient astronauts for understanding the interplay of culture and belief. However, he stops to criticize “academic experts” for dismissing UFOs as the province of “cranks and weirdos” in the words of Stephen Hawking. Vallée next cites Ezekiel’s vision of wheels within wheels—almost certainly a rendering of Babylonian ceremonial wheeled thrones for moving statues of their gods—as a UFO “abduction.” Here I should skip head an hour to the Q-and-A portion of the presentation, where he was asked a question about the Anunnaki and expanded on his conspiratorial view of Ezekiel, apparently derived from Josef Blumrich’s Spaceships of Ezekiel. He notes, though, that Ezekiel was a prophet, who “saw visions like this all the time,” making it hard to understand them as actual events.

His answer began with a confession that he is no expert in ancient history of languages, and that neither he nor Aubeck can read the ancient languages used in their 2009 book about ancient UFOS, Wonders in the Sky, which they were on stage to discuss. Vallée, playing to the crowd, said that he respected the work Zecharia Sitchin did on Near Eastern texts, but he hedged that the experts he and Aubeck consulted disagreed with Sitchin on the translation. From there he announced that it is essentially impossible to truly understand ancient texts due to the ambiguity of translation, and he cited the Book of Ezekiel as proof, for several words, he said, appear uniquely in that text and can only be translated by “guess.” He claims the Ezekiel wrote that “the dome was made of beryllium,” implying that an “accurate” translation reveals that Ezekiel saw a flying saucer. He is referring to Ezekiel 1:16 (or similar repetitions of phrasing): “The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.” You can see the difference between Vallée’s rendering and the actual text, dropping the pointed note about the wheel being of a color, not a composition, and substituting for the stone beryl (a crystal compound of beryllium, aluminum, silicon, and oxygen) the metal beryllium. The word translated as beryl is tarshish, which is indeed a word difficult to translate—rendered variously as beryl, carbuncle, golden stone, etc., and apparently named for the land of the origin of the stone. None of those would justify, though, making it a gray metal.

He next goes on to described Indian vimanas using claims about the flying chariot-palaces derived from a twentieth century “channeled” text that made them into airplanes and ignoring the clear progression in Sanskrit literature from horse-drawn chariots to flying palaces. He talks about the prevalence of “abductions” of famous figures, “always by a chariot that flies through the sky,” citing Elijah (actually taken by a whirlwind) and Enoch (who merely “walked with God” in the Bible; the chariot came in 1 Enoch 70:2).

It’s interesting that in this answer Vallée seemed to reveal that beneath his measured language about the connection between culture and fantasy, he holds an unreconstructed 1960s-era view of ancient astronauts, with all the selective evidence, fraud, and fabrication that made up those faulty claims.

After this introduction, Vallée explained that for Wonders in the Sky he and Chris Aubeck chose only “fact-based” accounts to use for their book, documents that could be verified in terms of time, place, and witness. According to Vallée, these documents were gathered “from the internet” and he notes that there are a “group of scholars around the world” who continue to “critique” their selection. That would be me. Here I need to disclose that a few weeks ago Aubeck contacted me to discuss my lengthy criticism of Wonders in the Sky. I can’t reveal much of the rest of what we discussed, but I imagine I am now free to say that Aubeck is working on a new book on pre-modern UFO sightings, which includes material about the seventeenth century religious propaganda book Annus Mirabilis, since Vallée announced as much in public during his presentation.

The meat of Vallée’s presentation focused on the Renaissance and the Enlightenment because he claims that this was the only time when “rational scientists” approached aerial anomalies “with a completely open mind,” something he calls “real science,” in opposition to the “bureaucratized” modern science that has left scientists “afraid” to investigate the unexplained. Vallée says that the true importance of ufology is what it teaches us about the corruption of modern science—a decidedly postmodern view of the world. He cites Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa’s alleged “UFO” sighting of 1580 as a good case of a flying disc based on a drawing that shows three phases of the sighting: a circle, an oval, and a crescent. The text accompanying the drawing in his journal, written in Spanish, reads (in my translation): 
Tonight, during the first hour of night, from the southeast side, a quarter to the south, we saw come out a round red thing like fire, like a shield, which rose through the sky, or was carried on the wind. It extended itself on a tall mountain and was like a long lance atop the tall mountain. It became like a half moon, between red and white (in color). The shapes were in this manner:
Picture
Clements Markham, who also translated the text, was more explicit in identifying it as a meteor:
During this night, at one o'clock, to the S.S E. we saw a circular, red, meteor-like flame, in shape of a dagger, which rose and ascended in the heavens. Over a high mountain it became prolonged and appeared like a lance, turning to a crescent shape, between red and white.
The difference in translation, whether it was dagger or shield shaped, rests on an Arabic loan word, darga, which means shield, but which Markham has taken for daga, or dagger, for reasons unknown to me. That translation does not appear to match the drawings.

Spaceships are either really good at metamorphosing or Sarmiento de Gamboa saw a meteor arcing overhead and disappearing behind a mountain, leaving a flaming wake behind it. But Vallée only mentions the disc shape and leaves the impression that it might have been a UFO. Many of his other examples are similar—round lights in the sky we are supposed to trust implicitly because they were made by policemen, sailors, astronomers, etc.—people who had no conception of meteors at the time of the sightings, since in those days it was still doubted that rocks could fall from the sky.

Vallée concludes with a series of graphs and charts that are part of his and Aubeck’s “scientific” analysis of aerial phenomena. One chart, from 1960s data, shows that most UFO sightings in history have occurred during the hours when people are falling asleep, between 8-11 PM. Significantly, there is a second spike of reports at dawn, when people emerge from sleep. Instead of seeing this as an indication that altered states of consciousness (waking dreams) around sleep and wake time are connected to alien sightings, he instead interprets this as evidence that people do not see aliens after 11 PM because they have gone to bed and are not available to look up at the sky. The data may well be correct, but Vallée doesn’t provide enough information or research to impose a definitive interpretation on it, and other explanations are at least equally possible.

Vallée concludes by explaining that he and Aubeck do not get paid to conduct this research, and that they will not accept sponsorship because they fear that sponsors would demand particular results in line with their own theories. He states that “academics” won’t pay for UFO research either, presumably because they are afraid, or in a conspiracy, or whatever. 

18 Comments
Bob Jase
6/9/2015 05:27:19 am

Alins reported today are still using rockets, still using communications that require antennae, still can't figure out that communication with humanity would be easier & more effective electronically rather than by landing behind a barn somewhere outside Hooterville.

Have any of the AA proponents explained why alien technology apparently ceased advancing several thousand years ago? Is it the alien 'dark ages' or did encountering humanity lower their alien IQ's?

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G. Mann
6/9/2015 06:01:01 am

And way back in 1981 Arthur C. Clarke reported that the technology of that era could pick up a spacecraft the size of a pencil into the earth's atmosphere.

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Shane Sullivan
6/9/2015 06:47:43 am

Small note: Beryllium is an element, not a compound.

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Jason Colavito link
6/9/2015 06:56:49 am

Fixed. Thanks.

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Kal
6/9/2015 07:04:46 am

Last year I had already discussed this wheel chariot. Some of my other blogs won't make sense, but this one does.

http://onlocationkatseditorials.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-ezekiel-vision-of-wheeled-chariot.html

Key points if you don't want to read all of it.
The color is golden bronze and that would be your Beryl.
The sedan chair is either Assyrian or Babylonian depending on which invader king Ezekiel prefers.
The wheels within wheels are nothing more than chariot wheels, as in any wheels with axle and turning ring would look, nothing alien.
The cherubim are piloting the chariot ends as it lands because they are guarding it, as the king sits on it. The King is God.
The guards (cherub) then hurl coals that were on the ground at the invading Assyrians, contemporary of the time period.
This is not even slightly an alien chariot.
It is a vision of his God descending on a sedan chair, as some of you said.

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G. Mann
6/9/2015 09:05:33 am

The vision of Ezekiel heralds the Messianic Ideal after the release from Babylon and the figures were inspired by the Babylonian Lamassu, representing the solstices and equinoxes.. Ezekiel went on to plan the new Temple. Nothing unusual.

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spookyparadigm
6/9/2015 07:10:39 am

So ...

Vallee began by trying to use statistics, from his background in computer science, to understand UFOs.

When this got him only so far, he then became an amateur folklorist and historian (Magonia etc.).

And now he is joining the usual critiques of professional science and running back into the era when one could still believe in monsters and spirits, following in the footsteps of John Mack's unhappiness with the industrial era, Charles Fort's obsession with academic authority, and well the list could just go.

Weberian disenchantment is a hell of a drug.

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Clete
6/9/2015 07:46:30 am

Vallee and Aubeck do not accept sponsorship. That is good, but because their theories are half-baked, their research is flawed and their conclusions are ill-logical should not prevent them from getting a show on the History Channel. I mean, others have done it.

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David Bradbury
6/9/2015 08:59:55 am

"he announced that it is essentially impossible to truly understand ancient texts due to the ambiguity of translation"

There's ambiguity and then there's wilful mistranslation. "Haowpan" (a wheel, often used in the Bible with specific mention of its axle) can only reasonably be translated as "dome" if you assume the ancient Israelites had never seen and named any dome-shaped objects (like round shields, for example). Similarly, as Jason suggests, "tarshish" is used elsewhere in the Bible in contexts which make it clear that it's a gemstone.

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Only Me
6/9/2015 10:29:59 am

"Vallée concludes by explaining that he and Aubeck do not get paid to conduct this research"

Of course not. They get the royalties from their book(s) and compensation for appearing at conferences, etc.

"they will not accept sponsorship because they fear that sponsors would demand particular results in line with their own theories"

As opposed to themselves, who produce particular results in line with their *own* theories?

"He states that 'academics' won’t pay for UFO research either, presumably because they are afraid, or in a conspiracy, or whatever."

Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book, anyone? Remember the results of the Condon Report? Also, this reveals the actual reason he doesn't want sponsorship...the demand to look at the subject objectively, with disregard as to whether the results support a particular theory or not.


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V
6/9/2015 07:17:20 pm

No, no, no, it's that they can't get paid to conduct research because they don't conduct research. They just puke on their keyboards and sell it.

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G, Mann
6/9/2015 09:09:26 pm

Who says they need research in the first place, that will only scupper their cherished fantasies.

V
6/10/2015 03:46:45 pm

Exactly, G. Mann. Exactly.

Bart. O link
10/28/2015 07:57:14 pm

If Jacques Vallee does not accept sponsorship, what is this then: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wonders-in-the-sky-a-breakthrough-in-ufo-research#/

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Serge Kabud link
11/16/2015 05:16:17 pm

There is an interesting direction of the study of The Phenomena

presented by some analytical centers in the East

I refer You to the google English translation of the book (link below) by Yuri Kanygin, a soviet and Ukrainian scientist who worked extensively with some Tibetan analytic who is mentioned by the name of Samden.

Samden served the last Emperor of China in the capacity of strategic advisor , both of them were captured by the soviets

Samden spent years in GULAG and after his release became a Sanskrit translator for the Academy of science

I may never mentioned before , but my family , my father to this day also works for Academy, in mathematics. This scientific institution actually provides the deepest insights in so many realms if one knows where to find them. So as an insider I may say that Yuri Kanygin book is absolute must for studying of The Phenomena

The Tibetan-Chinese strategic school is totally based on Interpretation of The HUMAN History (!) withing the framework of The Phenomena
Here I also am lucky to have some insights since in the past I was very close to a granddaughter of Liu Shaoqi the second in command to Mao Zedong .

Well, to make a long story short I must mention Rene Guenon and his teachings and interpretation of Hinduism and concept of Agarthi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agartha

Major points here

Guenon explains The Cycles of history (8000 years being the longest for an Eon change)

And Guenon suggests the King of The World concept known to some as Melchizedek.

Guenon based his King of the World concept on the classic Ossendowski book "Beasts, Men and Gods"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdynand_Antoni_Ossendowski

Ossendowski was a fearless anticommunist fighter who EARNED through his personal suffering and courage to LEARN about AGARTI

We also may refer to the massive similarities in research done in the past by Edgar Casey, Helena Blavatsky and some contemporary remote viewers who `traveled` in their viewing experience into the past, as far as 25-30 thousands years back.

A book was published in Ukraine by 2 historians who experimented on remote viewing of history or CHANNELING as some call it. Besides other things they `saw` and later found in real life some underground structures in western Ukrainian city of Rivne

The proposed picture viewers observed made some Sense of the human history in its development through the last may be 30 000 years .

Basic picture is:

there were 3 major cataclysmic events (dates are approximate of course) :

1. 26 000 years back - likely a beginning of the serious phase of the Ice age

2.16 000 years back - beginning of the relative warming phase

3. 8 000 years back - likely the Great Flood was part of it

The catastrophic developments might have been accompanied by mega tsunamis, eruptions and asteroids hitting the Earth

So, some humans who possessed understanding of the cyclic catastrophical schedule,
figured that in order to preserve KNOWLEDGE humans need to preserve those who have knowledge in a safe place

That's how likely Tibetan refuge and may be others were found in thousands of years of searches.

That's how all of it originated: Agarti, King of the World headquarters and ancient manuscripts of Tibetan school.

The actual UFOs are explained in this school as a COSMO HOLOGRAPHIC effect

produced by Agharti forces for special reasons, as in helping humans to limit the devastation of Chernobyl disaster.

You may be interested in this book:

BOOK BY KANYGIN

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EEmq5GuuMmhQEBiLDcXwu7f49CCFXQmlX4wiJnu84jY/pub

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Kabud
11/16/2015 05:40:12 pm

Doctor Kanygin suggest an elegant theory also explaining The Phenomena.

Based on a presumption the The Universe may be viewed as an informational field , a multidimensional matrix, it is suggested that a certain subject can in fact use the very basic Universe structure as a media and computing power capability

So that's how the cosmo-holographic effects are projected: and the cosmo-holographic effects definition covers most of the Phenomena

Among others: UFOs, Aliens and encounters with them, some prophetic figures in history who never actually existed but were the manifested cosmo-holographic EFFECT

What fascinated me was the story of THOUGHTS transmission as in :

spreading influence to correct history through direct mental contact with political leaders - this is exactly as King of the World is described by Ossendowski and Guenon;

as in some remote viewing research Doctor Valle described was done in Stanford

If we can connect through the web it means we can connect through other media if and when we master that, another media

What if it was and may be still IS known to some schools of thought?

One should ask himself a question: where are my thoughts actually come from?

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Frederic
4/6/2017 07:31:23 pm

If Vallee really thought there were something to this phenomenon, wouldn't he continue his research into the "unknown"? And who is Chris Aubeck? He has no doctorate, no background in "science", the very group Vallee is trying to appeal to. This is not to say that Aubeck necessarily does not know "science" or doesn't know anything about astronomy or physics or anything, but it doesn't help Vallee's case.

But "UFOlogy" seems to be dying out now that everyone have a mobile phone camera and instant social media access, so it is no wonder in the sky that Vallee's and Aubeck's new edition of WITS didn't sell as they would have wanted. Maybe if we lived in 1997 at the height of the X-Files craze, but now...

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Martin Stower
7/1/2019 07:17:29 pm

Jung’s book is about ancient astronauts? Really? Vallée said this?

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