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Janet Wolter and Alan Butler Make False Claims about Templars, Pyramids, Gothic Architecture, and More in Podcast Interview

5/29/2020

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Not long ago, The Freemasons podcast interviewed former America Unearthed host Scott Wolter at length and ended with a promise to give his wife a platform to expand on her goddess-tinged vision of ancient America. So now we have a 90-minute podcast featuring Janet Wolter and her writing partner Alan Butler—the guy who once wrote that moon had been built by time-travelers from the future—in which the pair expound on their book America: Nation of the Goddess, with very little that isn’t already in the book. You can read my review here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3. I feel like I should say something about the podcast, but it’s hard to find much new to say about the dull repetition of years-old, debunked claims. Therefore, I’ll focus on the material that isn’t quite so familiar.
Since you can read about Wolter’s and Butler’s goddess claims in my review, I won’t repeat them here. Suffice it to say that the cover their bonkers ideas about the Grange, baseball diamonds, goddesses, the planet Venus, obelisks, the “occult” layout of Washington, D.C., and the like. I have discussed the problems with these claims in my review, so it isn’t really worth trying to laugh again through their claims that baseball diamonds are secret goddess temples and monuments to Freemasons and vaginas. To this, they add new claims, derived from Scott Wolter’s tie-in episode of America Unearthed, alleging that the Vanderbilt family are conspirators and guardians of forbidden Masonic secrets. But I’ve already covered that, too. This material takes up the majority of the podcast.
 
You have to admire, I guess, their commitment to rigorously refusing to say anything they haven’t said before. With the precision of authoritarian propagandists, they understand that repeating the same claims over and over, often in the same words, drives home their message. A lie, repeated often enough, becomes indistinguishable from the truth. Occasionally, though, they said something new(ish).
 
Butler makes an unusual claim, asserting that the builders of stone circles in Thornbury, England, were the “mathematicians” who traveled to Egypt and laid out the plans for the Giza pyramids, to be built a thousand years later. This reverses the Victorian notion that the U.K. had Egyptian heritage (when Princess Scota brough the Stone of Scone to Scotland), but it is nevertheless a troublingly racist development in seeking to whitewash the pyramids as the work of the ancient British instead of the indigenous Egyptians.
 
Butler also asserts that the Templar/Freemason/Shemsu Hor conspiracy of goddess-worshiping master-builders has no need to respect time, so “they don’t care” if it takes 10 generations to achieve their master plan for any particular monument or site. This is a convenient way of avoiding any responsibility to prove one’s claims, since it allows for connections where no temporal relationship exists, and if a correlation isn’t complete, then the plan just hasn’t been brought to fruition yet. That’s why they can claim that elements of Washington, D.C. added only in the last few decades are somehow part of a master plan dating back to the 1700s, despite manifest evidence to the contrary.
 
An hour into the podcast, Scott Wolter joins to add his two cents. The hosts, the Wolters, and Butler share pleasantries and laugh with one another until one of the hosts asks Butler about Oak Island, a subject where Butler and Scott Wolter disagree. Butler has appeared several times on Curse of Oak Island and promotes the “mystery” of Oak Island as a genuine puzzle of cosmic proportions. Scott Wolter discounts both the show and the mystery, preferring to refocus Templar conspiracies onto his more favored locations, including Rhode Island and Minnesota. “I reserve my judgment and won’t say any more on the subject,” Butler says to avoid causing a scene. The most interesting part of the discussion is the way the hosts and the guests can’t separate Curse of Oak Island from the actual history of Oak Island, such that whatever is said on TV automatically becomes part of that history, and the real history becomes nothing more than fodder for TV. Their belief in whatever theory of Oak Island they discuss is contingent on how Kevin Burns from Prometheus Entertainment depicts it on Curse. It is a fascinating example of how pseudohistory and cable TV have inexorably merged.
 
It is probably also quite telling that once again Scott Wolter discusses the National Treasure movie franchise in terms of his research, and he claims that an official told him that parts of the franchise’s depiction of the secrets of Washington, D.C. are true.
 
Wolter goes on to claim that the “secret of the Ark of the Covenant” is “how to make one,” strongly implying that he has bought into the false Graham Hancock / Erich von Däniken idea about the Ark as a technological device or weapon of electrical power.
 
Near the end, Butler makes a wildly uninformed claim that the Gothic cathedrals were “so different” from anything that came before that they “might as well have been brought by aliens.” He has apparently never seen a Romanesque cathedral or noticed how the Gothic style developed from it. Instead, he alleges that the Gothic cathedrals appeared in only one generation and were invented by “the building arm of the Knights Templars.” In reality, scholars on the nineteenth century expended enormous effort trying and failing to draw a firm line between Romanesque and Gothic, and many churches were simply classified as being transitional between the two. Georg Dehio and Gustav von Bezold wrote about it in their famous five-volume 1901 analysis of church architecture in which they traced the growth of Romanesque into Gothic. It is not new information. According to art historians, the transition took about a hundred years. Some buildings began in one style and finished in the other. Many combined elements of both. Alan Butler speaks out of his depth.
 
Near the end, Janet Wolter claims that so-called “Venus families” are behind major movements in history and “the goddess” is “always present” in Masonic rituals. That will be news to the Masons, I imagine. Wolter offers some more blather about his new fixation on Venus’s crescent shape, and he now argues that crescent shapes are all references, not just to the planet Venus, but to “the goddess.” The awe with which all of them speak of the “goddess” makes me think that, like Robert Graves before them, they have become enamored of an imaginary deity they wish they could worship openly. It takes no particularly deep analysis to see in their rhapsody over the imagined grace of the matriarchal mother goddess a repudiation of the patronizing elements of Judeo-Christian patriarchal society they dislike.
32 Comments
Doc Rock
5/29/2020 09:39:38 am

The time could be right to start an official tax exempt Church of the Goddess. I know a number of currently out-of-work waitresses and bar tenders who would look good dressed in some type of skimpy Vestal Virgins in the service of the Goddess outfit. Would be difficult to affirm their virginal status at this point though.

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Jim
5/29/2020 11:15:26 am

Sounds like they could make a lot of bread !
nyuk, nyuk nyuk

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Jim
5/29/2020 09:41:29 am

"Butler makes an unusual claim, asserting that the builders of stone circles in Thornbury, England, were the “mathematicians” who traveled to Egypt and laid out the plans for the Giza pyramids, to be built a thousand years later"

That's just plain wacko, silly, coocoo bananas.
It would be akin to an English only speaking geologist from America going overseas and lecturing the Swedish experts on interpreting their runes as well as explaining how their language should be interpreted.

"The awe with which all of them speak of the “goddess” makes me think that, like Robert Graves before them, they have become enamored of an imaginary deity they wish they could worship openly."

I once asked Wolter on his blog if he worshiped the Goddess.
He told me it was none of my business.

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Kent
5/29/2020 10:05:55 am

To be fair, the Vietnam War Memorial is nothing if not a wide open vagina.

And of course we have the Hammer and Sickle, which is just the Mogen David in another guise, male and female entwined.

In Arabia we had the moon goddess اللات‎ / Ἀλιλάτ. Sura 53.

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Not the Come de Saint Germain
5/29/2020 10:30:46 am

"...they have become enamored of an imaginary deity they wish they could worship openly."

But they can worship her openly. This isn't Saudi Arabia. They can start a religion whenever they want. Assuming they didn't turn it into a control-freak cult (which not all new religions are, contrary to popular belief), I'd honestly respect that more than peddling lies about history.

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A C
5/29/2020 11:07:49 am

They can worship whatever they want openly.

The fact that they'd rather speculate about secret knowledge than just network with some Dianic Wiccan makes it pretty clear that its the aesthetics of speculation that appeals to them far more than the practical veneration of any 'goddess'. In spite of their claims to be seeking pre-existing wisdom they want to find their own truth and have others buy into it rather than join a previous guru's attempts at the same.

Ultimately 'the goddess' just seems to be an attempt to restore the Catholic Marian worship in the form of a gender reversal of the Victorian protestant god, but with all the protestant hatred of Catholicism left intact. The Templar obsession ironically lets them get away with making the Virgin worshiping Catholics the good guys, but only as long as they're hiding out from friendly fire.

The idea of the buildings famous for taking multiple generations to build 'popping up in a generation' just shows how little they care to think their BS through.

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Kent
5/29/2020 11:54:07 am

The Two To Five Books A Day Every Day For Forty-Two Years poster made a similarly ridiculous claim about cathedrals.

Wolter is apparently as ignorant of the living tradition of the binitary god in Judaism as Mr. Grondine is of the living tradition of reincarnation in Judaism.

Seems to me that deep down Wolter is maybe without even knowing it trying to start a new religion like that Mormon guy with the tablets but he's just too stupid to actually pull it off. After all, he's a football major who played geology.

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TESL
5/29/2020 07:22:32 pm

A geology undergraduate degree is almost as easy as a foreign language undergraduate degree. The former is popular with jocks of the C's get Degrees mentality and the latter is the classy B's get degrees major of choice for young ladies who are actually in search of their MRS. degree.

Helpdesk
5/30/2020 12:16:02 pm

Jason, you might want to check the settings on your Temporal Control Panel (TCP). You're getting messages from the distant past. Also might want to make sure you have the latest patches to the Stupidity Filter (SF).

wakko
5/29/2020 07:35:58 pm

It should be added that another proof that baseball is really an ancient religious ritual, is a detail of the game that can only descend from a former practice of human sacrifice. The masters of ceremony who make sure that the ritual is done in good order and in accordance with ancient canons, are called the Umpires. At various times in the game, you will hear people shout: "KILL THE UMPIRE!"

Also, every game starts with a sacred chant based on an ancient song calling down the blessings of Bacchus and Venus on all the attendees and participants. :D

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Jr. Time Lord
5/30/2020 04:06:49 pm

Gothic cathedrals are symbolic wombs. This is really not a difficult concept to comprehend. When I have time, I shall provide links to photos of tympanum, and windows of the most explicit sexual nature.

The various oculi betray the function behind the design. The key is to determine when each Oculus becomes activated and to track the beams of Light within the interior of the structure. Probably why incense were used in the first place. The smoke makes it easier to see the beams of light. As well as cut down on body odor. I implore anyone connected to Notre Dame cathedrals renovation...Pay attention to the oculi.

ALL cathedrals were built using the exact same numbers. Each building used its own value system for those numbers. All these numbers were found in religious texts. Pretty cool.

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Kent
5/30/2020 08:16:49 pm

This was already covered in sufficient detail above.

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Jr. Time Lord
5/31/2020 12:17:55 am

"This was already covered in sufficient detail above."

Where was the symbolic womb mentioned? Where were oculi mentioned or their design function? Where were the numbers mentioned?

ALL cathedrals are 144 units in height. The first one, St. Denis was completed in 1144. That's not a coincidence dude. Windows facing East contain a small Oculus in the form of a symbolic clitoris. On the west side of the structures, the symbolic clitoris is in stone displayed on the tympanum. Trying to do image searches but, sharing phone with wife.

Patience, grasshopper. Patience.

Qadib Dakhm
5/31/2020 08:54:04 pm

I have a complaint for the owner of this site. I don't come here for obsessive talk about clitorises. Think of your child.

Adam Walsh
6/1/2020 10:08:15 am

After reading through some of the comments referencing children my some of the members here you will welcome discussion of goddess clits.

Kent
6/1/2020 08:03:55 pm

Sadly, more nonsense from Broadmoor. Mr. Rock has the kiddy table and I have the Narrenturm. "Each building used its own value system"??? My research has uncovered the indisputable truth that ALL cathedrals are EXACTLY one cathedral in height. Each using its own value system.

And "oculus" is just a fancy word for a window. I pity Mrs. Broadmoor.

Jr. Time Lord
6/2/2020 03:26:13 pm

"And "oculus" is just a fancy word for a window."

No. It is the most appropriate term to describe small apertures designed to capture and focus sunlight into a tight narrow beam. These narrow beams of light move around the interior of the structure like a laser pointer. They were designed to mark out specific times of the year. The entire structure has been designed to indicate the solstices, equinoxes, and cross-quarter days. The beams of light from the Oculi are a big part of it.

There is more than one "Foot". Each cathedral was built using its own value for the Foot. Beauvais appears to me the largest because it used the Anglo-Saxon foot. 144 Anglo-Saxon feet as opposed to 144 Imperial feet for an example.

Kent
6/2/2020 06:17:18 pm

Oh God, more idiocy. "Capture sunlight"? How, precisely? "Focus sunlight in a tight narrow beam?" How, precisely? An oculus is literally a hole in a wall or a roof. Literally a window or a skylight.

"Different sized feet" blah blah blah PROVE it. Not the different sized units, that's already asking too much, just your "144" assertion. What's the height? Do whatever conversion is necessary but SHOW THE MATH. Contemporaneous documentation would be nice but forget it Jake, it's Broadmoor.

NOT asking you to prove your nonsense about alignments, but babysteps: prove your nonsense about the heights of the buildings.

NINE "Unknown Masters" involved in Chartres? Clearly a New Age attempt to connect with the Nine Original Templars and Plotinus's Ennead. You are literally making me relive the "How do you like them apples" scene in Good Will Hunting. For reasons that the New Dispensation prefers I leave unsaid.

Jr. Time Lord
6/5/2020 04:42:03 am

"Oh God, more idiocy. "Capture sunlight"? How, precisely? "Focus sunlight in a tight narrow beam?" How, precisely? An oculus is literally a hole in a wall or a roof. Literally a window or a skylight."

I have no clue. I have not been given access to any of the cathedrals with a scissor lift. Smart enough to visualize what's going on with them.

["Different sized feet" blah blah blah PROVE it. Not the different sized units, that's already asking too much, just your "144" assertion. What's the height? Do whatever conversion is necessary but SHOW THE MATH. Contemporaneous documentation would be nice but forget it Jake, it's Broadmoor.

NOT asking you to prove your nonsense about alignments, but babysteps: prove your nonsense about the heights of the buildings.]

I don't have to do squat. It's already been done.

N-O-V-A...on...PBS

You don't even possess Sesame Street knowledge. Elmo and Big Bird know something you don't. Even Grover comprehends this stuff. The only nonsense is spewing forth from your smug attitude. Remove your head from your backside and seek where the "air is sweet".


"NINE "Unknown Masters" involved in Chartres? Clearly a New Age attempt to connect with the Nine Original Templars and Plotinus's Ennead. You are literally making me relive the "How do you like them apples" scene in Good Will Hunting. For reasons that the New Dispensation prefers I leave unsaid."

Actually, it may have been 11 Unknown Masters. Need to find my source to make for certain. With your lack of Sesame Street knowledge, this is more like Forrest Gump. When Forrest lets everyone know Lieutenant Dan invested all his money into a fruit company.


Jr. Time Lord
6/1/2020 02:33:03 am

Those offended by the female form, or under the age of 4, should NOT open any of the following links.


https://images.app.goo.gl/m7WpDWr1jZMDAkZP8


https://images.app.goo.gl/ZbTcz6o1ojkTFXYn6

https://images.app.goo.gl/ZGTkHV6B2JA4Z4tv5

https://images.app.goo.gl/xc89pU7XC9LSH1BU8


Haven't found any good public images showing Oculus versions on the East side of structures. Other than the Oculus identified by AB and JR in "Rosslyn Revealed" as a "symbolic clitoris", nobody talks about the Oculi, or their design function. The Phippsburg History Center does in relation to the Newport Tower, however, he calls them "eyebrow windows".

I will search for more photos when it's my turn to use the phone again. Ahhh...Marital bliss...

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Jr. Time Lord
6/1/2020 11:21:45 pm

I'll just call it good. No need to waste my time searching for photos, when your audience is obviously not mature enough to handle the subject matter. I thought we were all adults here. I find it tasteless, classless, depraved, and quite disgusting to use the name of a murdered child. "Adam Walsh" was the brutally murdered child of John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted".

Adam Walsh
6/3/2020 08:40:32 am

I was born and named Adam Walsh in 1968. Do you spend much time harassing people who just so happen to have the same names as crime victims?

Kent
6/3/2020 01:49:42 pm

You are Spartacus! To bring you up to speed, Broadmoor also posts as
Anthony Warren
Accumulated Wisdom
Priceless Defender and
Colonel Sanders of TreasureForce

For him to take issue with someone else's name is Ludacris.

Jr. Time Lord
6/5/2020 04:54:07 am

"You are Spartacus! To bring you up to speed, Broadmoor also posts as
Anthony Warren
Accumulated Wisdom
Priceless Defender and
Colonel Sanders of TreasureForce

For him to take issue with someone else's name is Ludacris."

Anthony Warren is my first and middle name. No secret there. First posted using the meanings of those two names. Priceless/Anthony Defender/Warren. No secret there. Using my initials, I used accumulated wisdom until, your Buddhist buddy took it over further exacerbating your ongoing "Flame War" as it has been described on multiple sites. Including Andy White's blog. Everything else you've stated is a lie.

Ludacris is a rapper. Here is an appropriate Ludacris song from me to you.


https://g.co/kgs/iKiAwr

An Over-Educated Grunt
6/1/2020 09:05:38 am

This is, to put it mildly, so stupid it’s not even wrong.

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Jim
5/30/2020 09:23:43 pm

Here is an article I hadn't seen before.
Not to swell Scott Wolter's head anymore than it already is, but did anyone know that he won the 2013 C.R.A.P. AWARD !
Yes, it's true.

Also some things never change:

"Wolter, then believing that it was one of the world’s greatest and most sacred ancient religious artifacts, committed vandalism by cutting a piece of it off to take home and analyze in his laboratory."

https://rockartblog.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-2013-crap-award.html

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Kent
5/31/2020 08:52:12 am

Wolter is constantly trespassing and vandalizing. When I contemplate that and his coffee cup degree I start to have doubts about him playing football. I'm beginning to suspect it was actually foosball.

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Jim
6/1/2020 06:31:51 pm

I took a boo on the net, and it would appear Wolter was playing semi-pro ball at the ripe old age of 39 in 2000, shortly before his KRS crusade began.

http://www.semiprofootball.org/minor/allstars/afa98.htm

"Yep, played four years of minor league ball for the Minneapolis Lumberjacks 1997-2000."

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/11/cremona-document-provides-independent.html

Maybe he felt the need to smack people around after his football days ended and decided to replace football with picking fights with academia.

Paul
6/2/2020 10:57:59 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth-Superior_Lumberjacks if this team, little to brag about

Bob Agate
6/3/2020 08:14:14 pm

Semi-pro is an apt current description for Wolter. Semi-pro really meaning that, as in football, he is about 3 levels down from the real pros.

Joe Scales
6/4/2020 01:51:34 pm

Wolter played for Minnesota-Duluth's DII college team. If you know anything about DII football, you'd respect the program. Not sure how much he actually played, but he is without distinction as far as awards go (such as all-conference, etc.).

Jr. Time Lord
6/1/2020 11:12:51 pm

"Some buildings began in one style and finished in the other."

St. Denis was begun in one style, by one Unknown Master. The structure was completed by a completely different Unknown Master in a completely different style. Many of these structures took more than one generation to complete. If I remember correctly, the handiwork of nine Unknown Masters have been detected in Chartres Cathedral.

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