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Jim Vieira Claims My Analysis of Giants Is Wrong Because I Use Big Words

8/4/2013

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You’ll remember, I’m sure, the initial post I did last week about Jim Vieira’s claim on Facebook that the Smithsonian was covering up the existence of giants. I wrote a post in which I discussed the origins of this claim, and Vieira has chosen to respond on Facebook (post of Friday, August 2) by attacking me for what I did not write. As you’ll recall, the post focused on the origins of the Smithsonian cover-up claim, but instead Vieira has taken it as some kind of global debunking of the existence of skeletons taller than 6’6”. As I discussed yesterday, there is nothing abnormal or supernatural about certain individuals reaching above-average heights.

So let’s see what Vieira has to say.

I have been waiting for one of the defenders of the status quo to take aim at my efforts and first up to bat is Jason Colavito. Mr. Colavito is a professional skeptic who writes for Skeptic Magazine and operates along the lines of Ken Feder and Stephen Williams. An individual on a crusade to save the world from bad science.

At least he spelled my name right. I’m flattered that he considers me a “professional” skeptic, but since I don’t get paid for it (and have an actual job and career outside of this), I can only claim to be a recreational skeptic. (Note: Vieira claims you know he is honest because he does not get paid to talk about giants, either.) I’m pleased to be lumped in with Ken Feder, whom I know and respect, however. I hardly think, though, that pointing to flaws in alternative history arguments will do much toward saving the world from bad science.

However, the professional skeptic makes no attempt to evaluate evidence in an open minded fashion, trying to explain anomalies, rather chooses to enter the debate with a preconceived and unbending view of reality based on academic consensus and other filtering mechanisms.

Really? Somehow I’ve never tried to explain anomalies? I’ve gone to the trouble of tracking down the ancient sources for the Chupacabra myth, found the secret NSA and CIA files that explain the Spitsbergen UFO hoax, and discovered the real story behind the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. I even translated acres of “ancient texts” to find what stands behind idiotic claims. The trouble is that 6, 7, or even 8 foot skeletons are not supernatural anomalies but entirely consistent with normal human variation.

Vieira, however, wants these to be anomalous—why I’m not sure. If we assume they are somehow anomalies, it implies that these bones are not Native American, and then we get to the heart of the matter: Such claims represent an attempt to carve out room for Biblical Nephilim, Atlanteans, lost white races, and other such imaginary entries in the canon of “true” discoverers of North America. But if we play along and pretend these bones are somehow proof of superhuman visitors from the Aryan home world or remnants of the Great Flood or whatever he thinks they are, where do we find the evidence?

These sources include The New York Times, The Washington Post, LA Times, Scientific American, American Antiquarian, Popular Science, hundreds of town and county histories, archaeological bulletins, hundreds of newspapers and finally the Smithsonian's own ethnology reports. […] Do you think if the local newspaper were reporting a fake story about a giant human skeleton being found on the property of a prominent citizen that there would not be a huge backlash?

We’ve seen the Smithsonian reports and their 7-foot skeletons. You know why I don’t trust newspaper accounts without some sort of independent substantiation? Nineteenth century newspapers were notorious for making stuff up. Here are some of the other amazing “facts” papers of the time reported as absolutely true:

  • Hans Pfall flies a hot air balloon to the moon (E. A. Poe, Southern Literary Messenger, 1835)
  • A race of winged bat-men had a well-developed civilization on the moon. (NY Sun, 1835)
  • A hot air balloon sailed across the Atlantic in 1844 (NY Sun, 1844)
  • A Biblical “giant” was found in Cardiff, NY (most major papers, 1869)
  • 100,000 pygmy human skeletons were found in a Tennessee cave (NY Times, 1874)
  • Pre-Bigfoot “wild man” menaced Winsted, Connecticut (several NYC papers, 1895)
  • Wooly mammoths are alive in Alaska (McClure’s, 1899)

As Mark Twain pointed out in creating his “A Petrified Man” hoax of 1861, stories of bizarre skeletons, petrified corpses, and other ancient anomalies were both wildly popular in regional newspapers and completely false. Using real (or realistic) names was part of the “fun” of Victorian journalism, which was closer to entertainment than the mid-twentieth century “objective” model we unconsciously assume is and has always been journalism’s goal. But again: 6 or 7 foot skeletons aren’t really “anomalous,” or “giants.”

It's odd we never hear the skeptics world view. We never hear the skeptic trying to explain an anomaly. Never will you hear an attempt at a logical explanation for these reports. So, over a thousand reports from all over the country, from many respected publications, from respected historians, archaeologists and anthropologists and spanning a 150 year period are all hoaxes and mastodon bones. Childish.

Well, over the past few days (including pieces written before Vieira wrote his) I’m pretty sure that I tried to explain that humans vary naturally in size, and I also offered up some thoughts on misidentified mastodon bones (which Vieira rejects as a valid hypothesis on the grounds that he doesn’t think anyone could mistake mastodon bones for human, despite thousands of years of evidence to the contrary) as well as how freeze-thaw cycles of ice crystal formation can distort buried bone sizes. Is that good enough? Apparently not.

But here’s the kicker:

Colavito drops words and phrases like "extant" and "prima facie" like he is going to intellectually bully someone around. This overcompensating and arrogant behavior is as transparent as Saran Wrap. It smacks of a freshman writing student trying to pad an essay in a test he didn't study for. So in conclusion, for Mr. Colavito or any other troll who would attempt to offhandedly dismiss these 1000+ reports, before I answer any of your questions answer mine. Explain how over one thousand individual unique reports of giant human skeletons, giant skulls and jawbones found their way into all of these respected publications. Show your math.

And now we get to the whole point: Vieira, a stonemason and student of Edgar Cayce’s psychic readings, doesn’t like people he perceives as more intellectually qualified and/or educated than him. Seriously? My vocabulary is bullying? Let me tender my most sincere and humble apologies for having the gall to use the right word in the correct place; far from “padding,” the words I choose pack extra meaning into fewer words, which is the purpose of those nasty pieces of vocabulary that are so troubling to our plainspoken hero.

So plainspoken, in fact, is Jim Vieira that his TEDx Talk on giants and (sigh) the Smithsonian conspiracy to hide them had to be removed from TED’s YouTube channel for failure to adhere to basic levels of scientific accuracy. Here’s a few choice problems with Vieira’s speech, according to TED:

At 4:05 — You claim: “The moundbuilders who built all kinds of structures.” All evidence for the moundbuilders’ architecture suggests that they built with sod packets and wood.

At 9:15 — You share newspaper clippings from the 19th century, including quotes from Abraham Lincoln, and claim they are evidence of giants. In fact, as one of our experts writes, “Skeletal hoaxes were common in the 19th century (e.g., Piltdown Man, the Cardiff Giant, and Barnum & Bailey Fiji mermaids [now at Harvard's Peabody Museum]). If (and this is a big if) the 8-foot skeleton is real, it could be a case of medical gigantism, but it is more likely a case of exaggeration.”

At 12:49 — “Bones crumbled away because they weren’t mummified.” Skeletal preservation and mummification are unrelated processes. Plenty of skeletons survive in New England, and the disappearance of any and all skeletons that could lend evidence to these claims today is highly suspect.

And on it goes. TEDx’s fact checkers also noted that any skeleton under 9 feet tall is not prima face (oops… that phrase again!) evidence of supernatural or superhuman giants as these heights were recorded for living people, including in pre-modern historical contexts. They might also have noted that “Mound Builder” is an obsolete and biased term implying a separate race of people from the Native peoples of the United States.

That’s the trouble with avoiding the type of language needed to make points clear; you end up with broad and unsubstantiated claims that don’t make sense. But when you are out to prove Edgar Cayce was right about Atlantis and ancient civilizations, you will not let anything get in your way.

59 Comments
Christopher Randolph
8/4/2013 07:42:36 am

We're in Idiocracy and you've just been accused of 'talking like a fag."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7_3o3BrI

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D Npnch
11/14/2013 10:08:55 am

im just amazed that everything new in science is just cast aside.there have been documented cases of bones of this type too many times.

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d npnch
11/14/2013 01:18:05 pm

i'd also like to know if any of the people who want to prove or disapprove these claims have done any homework. I am going to dig as much out of this and comment back on this. So many of these comments are written in the form of half literates and people who don't complete their thoughts!!!

Steven Trohy link
11/5/2014 01:37:50 am

I think you are an idiot programmed and controlled by the friendly media you work for. Like all good reporters you play your role very well and wear your mask very tightly but it doesn't fool anyone because we know ultimately you are a yes man being told shoot this down, we need your take on this and so on. Don't bother denying it we all know how this goes. Friendly media! They preach lies to present a scenario, often made up BS! They've been caught. Doesn't mean they all lie. Just that we can't trust them. I"ve been to the museums. Where are the skulls of the long heads!? Find them show me you ass! They are not out. They are not displayed. This is by definition hidden. What planet do you live on where your eyes selectively work on and off!? Go show me and take a picture of the long head skulls dug up east of Chicago take by the Smithsonian in 1932 and show me where they are? You know what said when I asked? We don't have any such skulls! Either you are a lying friendly media shill and education shill like those hiding these or you are not? Which is it? We all know. Rhetorical! We're going to steam roll over guys like you very soon with real finds. I have worked in dentistry all my life and recently took pictures and documents of another skull, not human. I know the skull. I know what I saw. I don't just believe it exists. Its out there. Sooner or later a guy like me is not gong to be on a keyboard but in your faces with these and we'll see how that shit eating grin of yours looks then scum bag!

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Mike Albany link
7/15/2015 05:40:45 am

Hello Jason..SO you go from the normal ad hominem posts to one on semantics, always avoiding the meat and potatoes....Yes there are many shills, yes everyone has made a bad quote now and again, so lets aggregate...
Zech Sitchin..crazy guys who says sumerian tablets say we were genetically engineered by aliens to a cross between them and homo sapiens so we could mine gold in south africa and Peru...Guy is crazy but there are ancient mines and underground tunnels running for miles in Peru(Posnansky)and SA(Tellinger). Ive seen the ones in Peru not in SA...Then we find tunnels from Titicaca to Cuzco and all the ruins in South Africa and Zimbabwe (see Tellinger),,,Then we find all humans primate relatives have 48 chromosomes, and we only have 46 cause the 2nd and 3rd have been fused...Genetic variation you say, maybe but how did everyone become like that on a 1 in 1000 mutation...Evolution you say, ok well what the advantage of have 46....Why did that become a desirable trait if you think breeding had anything to do with its proliferation...Lets not forget all the remains Michael Cremo and such has found of human milions of years ago, because HIS radiocarbon dating MUST be wrong because he said something against the mainstream.

As far as giants go yeah maybe Jim is a little crazy, but there are way more than 2 or 3 claiming to have evidence for giants in our past... All over South America too not just North..So ok this guy might be a shill but his claims arent...Check out Tim Alberino...Apparetly Abraham Lincoln has been quoted speaking about red haird giants but he's a shill too right!? So lets forget all the other people, newpaper articles, and pictures, lets throw it all out the window because Jims a shill...The coca and tobacco traces in Mummies in Egypt was found but, the Lady Achaeologist who found them smoked marijuana so lets throw those results out too....All i see on this website is ad hominem...So All the different people from all walk of life are wrong, but this current Vatican/Smithsonian view of the world are right because theres no way a large organization that makes millions if not billions around the dollars around the world from selling a specific story would ever do anything dishonest to make sure the narrative stays the same and the money keeps coming in....

And lets also write off the Puranas which speak of Aerial warfare, explosive projectiles, etc.. thousands of years ago cause they're also crazy..Or Vedic texts stating quantum physics principles 6 thousand years ago..

Lets ignore the Dead sea scrolls, Book of Enoch, which also speak of all these things because they're not divine...

So lets keep ignoring everyone so we can obey and believe a few...And lets throw out the Sumerian as well, except for the part about the Saturn worship (Saturnalia which turned into Christmas) the festival of the Spring Equinox honoring Ishtar (Easter which even sounds like Ishtar) and the Virgin Mary (Nimrods birth) because we could repackage that and use it to our advantage (New Testament mixed with the story of Issa.)

But Charlie Hebdo was real cause I saw it on tv

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mitchell lightfoot
8/11/2017 12:41:45 pm

Mike, you are so right. You seem to be the perfect candidate to be employed by L.A. Marzulli or Tim Alberino. LOL. Yes, funny. Funny but accurately true. There are too many clues left behind with the addition of modern archaeology. Specifically, biblical archaeology that will dig up enough evidence to blow away the Smithsoniangaters (thanks, Mr. Childress) and thank you very much Mr. Albany for standing up for ancient truths that can be covered up but some inevitably proven. The other side of this is fables and tales of ancient peoples and their cultures are typically ignored, exaggerated or spoofed every time when the subject of ancient giants come into play. My question on this is: How can 100% of all accounts, whether biblical, historical, newsworthy or archaeological, be denied? I have a theory: Reprobate minds that refuse to believe even when truth hits them between the eyes. Remember the Pharisees that saw miracles and afterwards either denied them or Jesus was associated with demons. There are many today that will never believe in anything that interferes with their so-called intellect and their bias mindset. Perhaps their minds like this are the ones truly handed over to reprobate minds.

Luigi Arias
4/22/2018 11:27:39 pm

The probablemente with the Skeptics Community is that they think they’re superior, you can’t debunk someone without making fun of them, or using a superior tone. Please don’t say it’s my insercurties, that’s nonsense, I was once part of this community, and arrogance is what defies this community. Jason you have a horrible rebuttal, you ignored points he made and choose points which were more convenient for you to answer. As you didn’t mention giants are in Native American history, and apparently their not human beings and their stories can’t be based on truth. Just like when the local Congo people mentioned of a giant ape monster in the forest, the colonizers ignored them out of rascism just to be proven wrong. The scientific community ignores what Native people have to say, and I have to fucking say it’s fucking racists and I’m tired of it. There are countless of myths that have later been discovered to be based on some truth, that it’s ridiculous. Giants are scientifically possible as we have found remains of species that resemble them, theyre in our evolutionary tree, fucking explore it. Follow the evidence not your beliefs.

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William Best
8/4/2013 09:49:18 am

I am having such a hard time understanding the idea of a Smithsonian Conspiracy here.

I mean are there are about 20 documented people on this earth RIGHT NOW that are greater than or equal to 7ft in height. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_people#Tallest_people_presently_living_in_varied_nations )

Is there a future Smithsonian plot to exhume the remains of people who are part of this list at some future date and hide/lose/destroy the bones so future humans will not know about them?

I suppose anything is possible.

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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 10:29:01 am

William Best,

Oh, I bet the Smithsonian and The Powers That Be have their addresses, so they can collect the skeletons when they die for genetic experimentation and cloning. Attack of the Clone Wars, Nephilim 2.0 -- !

Hey, that's right anything is possible ;) On a slightly more serious note, It doesn't surprise me at all if Smithsonian agents and other private and national collectors back in the 1890's were searching for and collecting prize specimens of giants, or exceptional skeletons to mount in their museums as trophy's. Some of the records I found in Smithsonian documents show that they sent agents out to Arizona, Claifornia, and Nevada to collect purported 7 to 9 ft skeletons and mummies to take back to D.C. That's kind of on par with the modern Dr Death, "Gunther Von Hagens", the guy who likes to plastinate people, (and he has an eerie resemblance to that creepy Nazi guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark) who was on a quest to collect the bodies of giants for his museum, he even offered an 8 feet 1 inch Russian giant a handsome some of money for his body (Aleksandr Sizonenko, 45, who is 8ft 1in) but Sizonenko refused the offer in disgust: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/article28803.ece

Yeah creeps like this have always existed in institutions, Hrdlicka who headed the Smithsonian wasn't any better in the head. And one can remember the tale of John Hunter, who against the will of Charles Byrne the 7 ft 8 Irishman, collected his body and boiled it down to extract his sparkling skeleton which is now on display in London as a grim trophy: http://www.thetallestman.com/images/charlesbyrne/charlesbyrne%20%2827%29.jpg

Byrne by the way, was proved through genetic testing in a paper from 2011 in The New England Journal of Medicine, to have carried a 1,500 year old mutant gene which gave rise to hundreds of giants and cases of Acromegaly in a small region in Ireland.

Skeleton factories were in full operation in the 1800's collecting bodies of all shapes and sizes, giants & dwarves, foetuses etc for grim preparations and museum orders. http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85042461/1897-07-18/ed-1/seq-22/#words=skeleton+skull+skulls+Indian+SKULLS+skeletons+SKELETON&date1=1836&sort=relevance&date2=1922&searchType=advanced&language=&lccn=&proxdistance=5&state=&rows=20&ortext=&proxtext=&phrasetext=&andtext=skeleton+indian+skull+&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=2&index=15

I could see, especially after NAGPRA, that it could be considered distasteful, disrespectful, and offensive for the Smithsonian or any other national collection to display the bones of seven, eight, or even nine feet tall men as if they were some sort of side show attraction alongside the mammoth, cave bear, and T-rex. Call it a conspiracy, or call it overly considerate --or both...I have some evidence that the Carnegie museum had on display in the early 1900's at least one or more 7 feet tall men from the McKee's rock mound, the Maryland Academy may have had several 7 -8 footers at one point as well.

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Varika
8/4/2013 11:51:20 am

I can tell you that the Mutter medical museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCtter_Museum) in Philadelphia has on display several types of "abnormal" skeletons, including I BELIEVE it's a plaster cast of the skeleton of a person with gigantism. I do recall that it was well over 7 feet tall. They also have a soap mummy, whom I thought was quite beautiful. When visiting the museum, I didn't find that it was distasteful, disrespectful, or offensive; in fact the museum seems to have gone out of its way to foster an air of respect for these remains. I don't think that the problem was or would have been displaying the remains, but in the inconsiderate collection of them in the first place. It's one thing to donate one's body to science after one dies and have one's remains on display because of that; it's another entirely to go dig up my grandmother without asking and laugh in my face when I get upset about it, which is what archeologists in the Victorian era were doing.

Christopher Randolph
8/4/2013 01:04:21 pm

I'm in Philadelphia & have been to the Mutter a number of times. I believe that's a real skeleton, and the tallest on display in the country.

By the way, how do we know that the real conspiracy isn't that the giants are normal and we're all a race of dwarves..?

Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 01:41:52 pm

Mordecai.

You seem like a rational guy,why are you associating yourself with Jim Vieira?. The man is a crank.

Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 03:53:06 pm

Hey Tara Jordan,

Well, to be perfectly candid Jim is my primary research consultant. Jim is kick ass, a caring, and rational human being --in my opinion. LoL If he is a crank, then I am a crank.

Isaac
8/4/2013 03:58:52 pm

Mordecai, if I might be so bold,
has Jim spoken to you at any length about the work Edgar Cayce, or his opinions of the former?
How do you feel about "channeled" information gained by "psychics", and how much relevance do you believe stories of Biblical giants and claims of a technologically and culturally superior lost white race populating ancient America have to the exceptionally tall Native American individuals unearthed in burial mounds?

Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 05:15:20 pm

Mordecai.
The lady who tried to reconcile me with my "inner goddess" & "the sacred power of menstrual blood",was also a "rational human being".

michael davis link
5/6/2014 10:49:33 am

Allyon's scribe wrote of herbal and animal concoction that was rubbed on 2year old males by old women in a people group in upper south carolina. Most likely mammalian growth hormones, mixed with what was described as plants and bear grease. the woman said it was a window of age to promote mega growth older dates were discovered by cyrus thomas with six fingers and double rows of teath. Maybe because they had applied the hormones to older males, creating some bad mutations.
In the de soto chronicles tasculuza was a holyman/leader who was too tall to ride a draft horse, His son was also as tall and the meeting of those two selectively bread warriors was almost the last of desoto, and his own nephew was shot in the throat with an arrow and killed. Tazcaluza was carried away to ensure his safety by his people. His son was killed.
giants are shunned by the scholary community around the world.

Isaac
8/4/2013 10:26:34 am

Is the "conspiracy" to cover up a lost white race because it will offend modern liberal ideas, or is it to cover up the fact that Native Americans were / are more likely to exceed 7 feet in height?

If the Smithsonian is trying to suppress knowledge of the giant, red-haired, white skinned "Mound Builder" culture, why would they keep all these official references to large skeletons so easily and publicly available? And why would they be trying to suppress that knowledge in the 1800s when a lost white master race was what everyone wanted?
If they are trying to reinforce white supremacy by denying the impressive stature of Native Americans, why are there so many reports of really tall Native men which are, again, very easily accessible? And why would they attribute all the "Mound Builder" mounds to various Native peoples?

Following these blog posts and the comments in them, I don't know who is arguing for which conspiracy any more. Nobody denies that 7ft+ skeletons have been found, and nobody denies that they are all well within the range of natural human variation. Nobody seems to be trying to cover anything up, either, from what I can see there really isn't much disagreement here.

I am sure that somewhere in amongst all this there is someone who believes in a lost white race or Atlanteans or whatever, and they are creating false bones of contention for everyone to argue about. There have been very tall skeletons; because there have been, are, and will be very tall humans. What's the problem?

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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 10:35:31 am

What's the problem? Gee, good question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaX4s3RyVak

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Varika
8/4/2013 11:57:37 am

Isaac, the point is that there is no such conspiracy at all, ever, and that people who espouse EITHER type of conspiracy are just plain wrong, for all the reasons you've just listed. The problem is that some people insist, in the face of all reasonable evidence, that whichever conspiracy they prefer still exists. Along, I might add, with a handful of people who like to gratuitously attack. Some of them attack the skeptics, some of them attack the credulous.

Short version: Welcome to the Internet. Get used to strife.

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William D. Best
8/4/2013 12:31:54 pm

Agreed Varika.

Isaac
8/4/2013 12:44:14 pm

(For the record, I think you are all ignorant of the truth here. You see I, like Cayce, am a powerful psychic who is in contact with the Atlantean high priests Klarkash-Ton and Ech-Pi-El who both assure me that the mounds were constructed under the guidance of a rather unsavory character with an octopus head.)

James
6/16/2014 08:07:58 am

To say that the Smithsonian has "kept ...these records readily available" instantly tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. I have researched several I these reports and the vast majority are NOT available on the internet. They remain I disturbed on the micro film of our local libraries in the newspaper archive sections. I recently uncovered a photograph of an 8ft skeleton taken by a reporter from a very well respected Midwestern newspaper. I visited the cave myself and found a depression large enough to conceal a large body in the very location the article claimed the skeleton was unearthed. I spoke to relatives of the man who dug the skeleton from the cave as well as relatives of the doctor who examined the specimen and actually displayed it in his office until such a time that the article reports that the doctor carefully packed and shipped the bones to, you guessed it, The Smithsonian. One such story satisfactorily verified does not make a conspiracy nor does it proves that a race of white, red haired giants once roamed America. What it does is bolster the idea that there is much more to the history of our country than we have been told. General John Wesley Powell, the first director of the museum, was adamant that any finds that went against the notion that all pre-colonial peoples were savages, were to be discarded. This was known as the "Powell Doctrine". I suggest the author of this blog do his own research at the local library. I think he would be astounded at what he would find.

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Jason Colavito link
6/16/2014 08:23:55 am

I am quite confused. You don't find that records publicly available at libraries and other institutions are "readily available"?

PaulN. link
7/12/2014 11:57:04 am

Point of order:
1.) What is the name of the reporter.
2.) What is the name of the newspaper.
3.) Where is the cave located.
4.) What is the name of the man and his family that you spoke to.
5.) What is the name of the doctor who displayed said remains.
Since none of these questions has been answered, what we have is a typical late 19th early 20th century news story that is long on filler and short on facts. The kind of story that would be trotted out on a slow newsday. Too bad the World Weekly isn't still around. You could sell the story to them. It's right up their alley along with Batboy and lost artifacts on the moon.




Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 02:02:40 pm

I`ll do my best to remain polite.First,who the hell is Jim Vieira ?.Then you learn,"He has been a student of Edgar Cayce's most of his life and sees Cayce's readings continuing to be verified by new science....".In layman`s term Jim Vieira is life long Cuckoo.We live in a cruel world indeed.....

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Tommy Torres link
10/14/2013 05:39:30 pm

Hey Tara, I am very curious where you found the info on Jim being a student of Edgar Cayces. I hope you get this.

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Deep6DLH
11/23/2014 08:17:04 am

Tara,
Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were a child? I suggest you attempt to aquire a library card, if not borrow one, and do some truly open minded research on your own. If is even possible for you to be open minded about anything.

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Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 02:37:21 pm

The New Era Times (featuring the "researches" of Jim Vieira) is a must.An online psychiatric asylum for astrologers,spiritual & collective healers,earthquake predictions "experts"(unless I missed something,apparently none of these puppies saw the great Tōhoku earthquake coming).
Why are we even trying to argument with these people?,as as far as I am concerned, they are "gone".It is impossible to engage in a rational conversation with "grown up" adults who behave like 13 yr old kids ( no offense intended to prepubescents)

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John McKay link
8/4/2013 04:07:38 pm

I've been away for a while and looks like I've missed some fun stuff. I've actually been translating some 16th, 17th, and 18th century gigantologies while I was gone. My brain is full to overflowing with giants right now.

Poo.

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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 05:32:57 pm

Hey Isaac,
I think maybe once we've chatted about Atlantis and Edgar Cayce.

I don't know much about Cayce to make a decision regarding his

accuracy, but now that you mention, I did find this quote online:

Q.3: “Please give a few details regarding the physiognomy,

habits, customs and costumes of the people of Atlantis during the

period just before the first destruction.” A.3:…These took on

many sizes as to stature, from that as may be called the midget

to the GIANTS—for there were GIANTS IN THE EARTH IN THOSE DAYS,

men as tall as (what would be termed today) ten or twelve feet in

stature, and well proportioned throughout. The ones that became

the most useful were those as would be classified (or called in

the present) as the ideal stature, that was both male and

female…”” Page 63."

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/gregjenner4.html

Kind of interesting, I find it intriguing-- hell maybe Cayce new

something about the tall fellers- eh? Or he was rehashing the

local news headlines. Still, jolly interesting. Channeled

information? I am skeptical yet an open book to the idea, Jim and

I have collected a lot of interesting information from the old

writings of Mormons, Freemasons, Rosicrucian and even

Theosophists like Madamme Blavatsky who claimed to have channeled

info about the past, and what's interesting is that all those

societies found the tall skeleton news reports to be proof of the

Giants of the earth in their respective teachings -- Not saying I

necessarily believe them, but gosh it's interesting! Quite a bit

of the Bible could fall under the channeled information claim.

Biblical giants? Since I am working from the paradigm that much

of the Bible has a historic basis, I find the parallels between

old Testament tales of giants, Old World European myths, and New

World traditions fascinating in what they do and do not share in

common. Having been a student of Nephilim oriented research for

over a decade, and reached out to many authors under my various

internet "pen names" I find all of this information quite

fascinating, collecting all the books I can on the subject, from

the Steve Quayles to the Adrienne Mayors.

I think there is relevance and common ground between some of the

legends of giants in N. America and some of the stories of giants

in the Bible, although I am not yet convinced as some authors

are, that these Mound building Native Americans of giant frame

were the descendants of "half human -mutant Nephilim - born from

fallen angels" who decided to flee Canaan under the Joshuah

diaspora, I am open to the idea of cultural diffusion from other

nations, and am not a proponent of isolationism. Yet, with a few

exceptions, by and large everything I see about the burial mounds

places them with the Native Americans, although I think a

meso-American element can be argued for some of the artifacts

found in the mounds. Some of the reports of skeletons from the

S.W. do have strange features, the red headed mummies of Lovelock

cave for instance. I am convinced that some peoples with red hair

probably have occupied parts of America, and down into Peru. Red

hair, brown, even blond haired Native Americans have been

documented... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR6lxLQSpls
I think the explanation that all these mummies hair turned red or

blonde via chemical reaction, while it may be valid to a degree,

cannot explain it entirely. There probably were some

red/brown/blondish Native Americans.

Regarding the Biblical giants, the stories of the Anakim,

Rephaim, I believe originated from Bronze age Canaanite

aristocracy, because we have 13th century BC litergies from Ugarit mentioning the Rapiumu kings who dwelt in Ashtaorth and Edrei, in the land of Bashan -- where they were posthumously worshiped as demigods. This

matches the Biblical Og king of Bashan, "the remnant of the

Rephaim" -- quite well. His size and importance was probably

exagerated as much as Goliath's, but the historical kernel I

believe has lasted 3,000 years+,and is attested by these rather surprising and obscure texts. we do have stories of six

fingered men, the brothers of Goliath mentioned in the Book of

Samuel etc, and Egyptian papyrus Anastasi I, which warns of 5

cubit (8-9 ft) men who ambush travelors in the Megiddo valley,

in Canaan... We have pictographs and rock art of six fingered

men, some of them very tall kings, possibly giants, all over

canyon walls in the American S.W., and some skeletons recovered

from Anasazi and Pueblo graves have shown polydactyly was

common... One coffin lid from 13th century BC Gaza, not far from

Gath, shows the representation of a six fingered man. Giantism

and polydactyly may have been signs of the supernatural in

ancient times -- (and arguably still today among some folks).

That's why I find all of these parallels so interesting. Is there

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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 05:36:27 pm

Is there

a Conspiracy? Or is there an ideological suppression of these

finds because the colleague who goes hunting after giants, is

relegated to bafoonery, bigfootery, a crack pot who believes in Squatches and little green men. That's a tough one. I say, more research needs to be done. But I am leaning towards the Smithsonian cover-up more and more with the information I find.
Cheers.

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Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 06:02:57 pm

I have no issue with individuals questioning authority & challenging the Status Quo.As a matter of fact, I am always surprised at how self-proclaimed “skeptics” always support the Government - establishment view of virtually everything, no matter in what direction the evidence points, but someone who takes Edgar Cayce seriously, is definitively a crackpot.

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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 10:18:02 pm

Tara, Isaac,

I know very little about Cayce, so I can't completely comment whether he was full of shit or not, -- but apparently he drew quite a following, including Woodrow Wilson, Thomas Edison, Irving Berlin, and George Gershwin.

Checking him out at wikipedia I did find this interesting info:

"Cayce advocated some controversial and eccentric ideas from his trance readings....Another claim by Cayce was that "soul-entities" on Earth had intercourse with animals to produce giants that were as much as twelve feet tall."

That caught my attention! Sounds like Cayce was advocating the fallen angel + giant Nephilim theory in America, 100 years before ancient Nephilim theorists like Steve Quayle.

Crackpot or not, this is cool stuff to research in my hobby time!

Varika
8/5/2013 06:14:20 am

Mordecai...the concept of nephilim is kind of hundreds if not thousands of years old. That Edgar Cayce might espouse a "modernized" (for his time) version of it is really no different from having it expanded upon by some monk in the middle ages, or some rabbi in a midrashic tradition (which incidentally is probably the earliest source for "nephilim are the children of angels" take).

The problem with the theory isn't the part where there were tall, polydactyl guys--and girls--in antiquity. We know for sure that there were, in large part because we still get them today. The problem is the whole "and they aren't really completely/at all human" part which is DEMONSTRABLY not true with today's scientific methods and today's giants.

Also, just because someone has a "following" doesn't mean that they're not a crackpot, and it CERTAINLY doesn't make them credible in any fashion. After all, SNOOKI has a following, and I'm not sure she could be trusted to tell people the sun comes up in the morning.

The Other J.
8/5/2013 10:06:52 am

Like Varika said, just because someone/a movement has a following doesn't make it necessarily correct. Ronald and Nancy Reagan consulted astrologers. Jim Jones had a following.

james
12/11/2014 06:06:38 pm

Tara,
If you believe that the latest science in quantum mechanics, particularly quantum entanglement or non-locality is "bunk" promulgated by "crackpots" (your term); if you believe that the latest science that conclusively proves that the "reality" we live in is nothing more than a holographic illusion; if you believe that "materialism", or matter and the so-called physical world represent "reality" than your view of anything concerning Edgar Cayce, the spiritual realm, alternative realities make sense. Unfortunately for the materialists, cutting edge quantum physics supports, mathematically, logically, through the scientific method, that your viw of the world is as relevant to science today as that of those "scientists" who claimed man could never fly. Read a freakin book, would you?

Jason Colavito link
8/4/2013 11:40:56 pm

If that's the case, then why did the Smithsonian's rival museum, Harvard's Peabody, which opposed the Smithsonian on nearly every ideological point at the time, agree to participate in the conspiracy?

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Abraham Nicovita link
7/15/2015 06:35:14 am

Maybe both their seed money came from the same place...And maybe that same place wants the narrative staying the same...Last I checked most of the wealthiest people in the world are acquaintances with eachother....
And seriously Jason, all you do is tear peoples arguments apart and the best you could come up with is, "If that's the case, then why did the Smithsonian's rival museum, Harvard's Peabody, which opposed the Smithsonian on nearly every ideological point at the time, agree to participate in the conspiracy."" I could see a large scale Crude developer and Ethanol developer, who both have opposite views of how to make fuel, both hating Tesla....Because both are in the business of selling shit you don't need while at the same time destroying humanity and neither would benefit from a clean energy (which yes electric isnt totally clean) that would be way cheaper...
What it comes down to is the Vatican Jason....The good ol Vatican City of London and Washington DC...The three city states that do whatever they want, and they will erase or kill ANYONE who messes with THAT narrative...

So let's rig the financial markets, most important "democratic" elections, most religious instituions (how do you rig religous institutions, by hiding anything that goes against the narrative i..e Smithsonian) but it all stops there, trust me, no need to go any farther...No need to rig history...
And remember Jason does not understand how two "competing" companies in the public sphere could actually be colluding behind the scenes...Nope the whole idea of Cartel price fixing in banks for rates, or oil companies for price, or even Optimum and Fios fighting over your service while secretly laughing behind the scenes because of their MONOPOLY is TOO FAR-FETCHED for Jason so lets KISS....

Luigi Arias
4/22/2018 11:41:50 pm

You’re acting as the Smithsonian is a university, it’s a fucking club made by rich people to go dig shit up. One can say that a good amount of those rich assholes graduated from Harvard, they probably gave money to Harvard (this argue meant is for any Ivy League school). Money would have kept every school quiet, that’s it. Simple enough, this was a club by rich men, and if they wanted to shut someone up they definitely had the resources to. Yes it’s a conspiracy, they happened, it’s not crazy to think that small group would get together to crave up a common goal, that’s literally most of history (that’s not to say every conspiracy is right, don’t get triggered). I believe the scientific method is humanities greatest creation, but institutions can be corrupted, hence scientific institutions can be curropted.

Tara Colavita (Jordan) link
7/15/2015 06:12:04 am

AKA getting your pension taken away....You want to know these mainstream archaeologists are all afraid of???? If you want to know how old the Sphinx is ask a geologist, never a museum sponsored archaeologist or historian, both have the same boss.

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Degaz
8/24/2013 11:58:59 am

You don't mention the double rows of teeth. Is that a natural anomaly as well?

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Tobias W
1/22/2014 11:07:19 pm

After seeing and reading abit about Jim and his research, i find it abit lacking that you focus on that there were people around 8-9 feet tall even back then.
Something doesnt add up why isnt the smithsonian allowing people to study the massive amount of bones they collected.
Why is there folklore about red hair giants amongst indians.

I personally dont think Jim wants you to take all his information at face value rather something isnt right with history thats being taught today.

You have puma punku that is such a mindblowing site that even our own tools today cant barely replicate what has been done there.

But we keep stumbling on new things that cant be explained and being a skeptic is healthy but dismissing someone with what looks to be a well researched theory and even has somewhat of alot of evidence i think is abit foolish.

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David Williams
11/8/2014 07:05:57 pm

"We’ve seen the Smithsonian reports and their 7-foot skeletons. You know why I don’t trust newspaper accounts without some sort of independent substantiation? Nineteenth century newspapers were notorious for making stuff up. Here are some of the other amazing “facts” papers of the time reported as absolutely true"

This is a really lazy rebuttal Mr Colavito. Vieira has collected well over 1000 newspaper clippings from the period - from all over the USA, different authors with different levels of experience and credibility, different papers, different angles - and yet you dismiss the whole set as a hoax - without even looking at them or conducting any form of analysis to ascertain whether there is an originating hoax that might be the seed for the balance.

Its this broadbrush dismissal without engaging at all with the substance of the issue that drives open minded skeptics like myself nuts....

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James
11/30/2014 10:56:54 am

Of course he used a "broad based dismissal"! If he didn't, he would actually have to do serious research; tedious, mind numbing, get off your ass go in the field research. The ONLY way to "debunk" the articles without looking at each report, is to say, "It's all made up". Funny thing is, as I have found out, when one researches individual reports, instead of finding evidence of hoaxing, I have found more evidence to back up the original claim. Jason is peeing in his pants because his whole house of cards is about to crash on his head and he's going to have to find another way to make a living. Sonics hiring bill put in a good word for him.

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jeff
2/13/2015 10:36:38 am

I hope my reply got to you but if you can get in touch with him or bill bodies I have info that will go a long way another person looking into past people's being here must get info to them 4147691169 leave message if I'm not serious would not leave a number

James
11/9/2014 01:39:01 am

Paul,
You asked me a series of questions that I was unable to answer for contractual reasons. Watch this Tuesday's episode of Search for the Lost Giants. If there are any questions not answered after the airing, I will gladly provide you with original source material. After which you can kindly KMA. (-:

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james
2/13/2015 10:23:25 am

James if you get this I have info that I really need to get to him Bodies no bullshit think I have a way for them to prove everything and has been out in the open

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Bernie
11/24/2014 04:14:26 pm

I've come to believe that using ancient stories like those from the bible for instance as a source of truth of extraordinary facts like giants is like as if people thousands of years from now watch our fantasy movies about werewolves and vampires for example and claim there must be some basis for the stories. Or maybe an even better example would be if they picked up on a character like Freddie Kruger and thought that had historical basis

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james
2/13/2015 10:27:57 am

I'm Jeff just replied about getting info to the vieiera bfigured 4147691169

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Clesley link
11/28/2014 09:25:54 am

The definition of a conspiracy is qualified with this statement, "Nineteenth century newspapers were notorious for making stuff up." This is off the scale conspiracy to judge 100 years of newspaper reports as conspiring, inflating, or collective deception would bring out the tinfoil skeptical hat for Mr. Colavito. The 19th century "Colavito conspiracy" doesn't end with just the 19th century. It extends through all of written history, all of the Spanish Explorers, Dutch, French, and multinational explorers that saw people that exceeded 9 feet tall. Should we discount the explorers of the 16th century and everyone in between? It is safe to say that "mini-monkey-fish-frog-men" are absent from the fossil records in spite of a century and half looking for these ape-men. So basically what i am claiming is that the so called skeptics, are the conspiracists and are guilty of cherry-picking the evidence.

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11/30/2014 08:17:39 am

Any findings that may line up with a biblical perspective of giants close to ten feet tall will be thrown out. That is how people like Jason and the skeptics work. Evolution is the god of many skeptics today. Anything that may come up against that is immediately mocked and ridiculed. Even if it can be dug up or studied.

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12/9/2014 04:37:50 pm

After reading the above blog it surprised me! I love the idea of exchanging ideas, scientific theories, hypothesis of an conclusion. However, whatever this blog is it isn't any of these. It is the condescending of a fellow human being unless of course that has become scientific field I am unaware of in the educational community. Really what I see here is a educated person who has just thrown his dick on the table showing how big and superior it is! In the physical world we would call it being a bully but of course here it is all scientific and socially acceptable. I have seen men like you. A nobody who wants to prove to everyone is he is a somebody and along with his group of disciples will prove his point without any chance of rebuke or rebuttal because it is perfect. When you get through with your elementary science class this must be your hobby. What you have proven is mankind still has mental Neanderthal's with clubs of words hiding behind computer screens. Your etiquette towards others who are brave enough to try is at best crass and worst sterile in proving ANY theory of relevance. It would be interesting to see your past scientific accomplishments of note in your field and any reviews by your peers independent of your groupies. A man's worth is not measured by how he demeans others but how he helps and promotes the cause of helping man become better. You my dear blogger are slipping backwards to throwing rocks at those who are not like you or think differently than you. You are a waste of such talent because such a man as yourself using the passion shown here in this blog could be so much better directed in saving lives, or going to Mars, or possibly curing cancer. A shame that I have wasted my time also.

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12/10/2014 07:12:49 pm

By the 1880's, due to the fear of discovery brought on by an increased interest in archeology, the establishments of Christendom ordered that all archaeological excavations be
brought under the strictest control, with all funding and undertakings first being approved by the designated authorities. In 1891, the Egyptian Exploration Fund was established in
Britain and, based off its first page of Memorandum and Articles of Association; the modus operandi for modern archeology was established – `to promote excavation work
for the purpose of elucidating or illustrating the Old Testament narrative.' This meant if something was found supporting written biblical history, the public would be informed. If the
discovery and its information did not `support the church's interpretation' it was `shelved'.

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Mary
10/18/2015 08:53:41 pm

you are clueless, aka, an ignorant asshole ,,, Jim V knows from whence he speaks......wake up

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Grant Molyneux
1/27/2016 01:58:59 am

Have you learned recently of the court case involving the Smithsonian, brought by (name/group unknown) in which they admitted to destroying a lot of evidence related to the giant skeletons and gave reasons why? If not you should look in to it. And if appropriate, look into the closest mirror to see what egg on ones face looks like!

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Doug Weller link
6/23/2016 01:23:49 pm

Lol - the alleged court case was another World News Daily hoax that Grant seems to have swallowed without doing his research.
http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/giantcoverup.asp and
http://badsatiretoday.com/smithsonian-admits-destroying-giant-skeletons-1900s/

The World News Daily disclaimer is correct, WND makes the stuff up. The story was satire.

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James
6/23/2016 05:23:05 pm

No one who is serious about this subject took that article seriously. Unfortunately there are numerous fake "news" sites that post crap like this. It doesn't however change the thousands of articles published in the biggest papers and the comments from leading archaeologists and scientists of the day confirming these finds. I suggest you read Richard Dewhurst's book compiled after years of uncovering such articles in the archives of America's newspapers.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17334410-the-ancient-giants-who-ruled-america

Wendy
3/28/2017 12:24:14 am

...and Bretz in the 1920s and30s was considered a crackpot for putting forth the theory that the Scablands were the result of a sudden catastroohic occurrence. His theory was considered heresy and he was deemed a pariah, an outcast. "Not a single voice was raised in support of Bretz and there was much patronizing dismissal if his 'outrageous hypothesis'."(Magician's of the Gods, pg. 59, 60, Graham Hancock). However, 80+ years later, credentialed scientists (Kennett, Firestone and West) put forth a theory that fragments of a comet upon impact would create such conditions that support Bretz's theory of a catastrophic occurrence. The comet impact theory is now supported by scientific findings of nanodiamonds and is becoming an accepted theory. The current science that was unavailable in the 20's pretty clearly supports the 'crackpot, pariah' Bretz's initial theory. The poor man was vilified by colleagues who thought they were more intellectually sound than Bretz. My point is, as with Bretz, I suggest the 'professionals' keep an open mind to theories of others that may cut against the mainstream. Jim V (I do not know the man) may not be mainstream but that does not discount his theories. He makes valid points. Lastly, it is ignorant to use one's spiritual beliefs in an attempt to discredit a theory unrelated to spiritualism but based upon real evidence. How does the saying go...."......it is the most intelligent man who knows there is much he doesn't know...." or something along those lines. Just sayin'.

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Ethan link
3/9/2018 01:48:33 am

Jason, stop being a little bitch. Plain and simple. You sound like an overly sensitive headass who got his feelings hurt by an intellectually superior ALPHA male like Jim Vieira. Being that you have such an extensive vocabulary in that noggin of yours, go look up the word BETA MALE in the fuckin dictionary buddy because that's what you sound like lmao. Use your brain next time so you don't attempt to offer up another shitty rebuttal like this.

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