You’ll remember, I’m sure, the initial post I did last week about Jim Vieira’s claim on Facebook that the Smithsonian was covering up the existence of giants. I wrote a post in which I discussed the origins of this claim, and Vieira has chosen to respond on Facebook (post of Friday, August 2) by attacking me for what I did not write. As you’ll recall, the post focused on the origins of the Smithsonian cover-up claim, but instead Vieira has taken it as some kind of global debunking of the existence of skeletons taller than 6’6”. As I discussed yesterday, there is nothing abnormal or supernatural about certain individuals reaching above-average heights. So let’s see what Vieira has to say. I have been waiting for one of the defenders of the status quo to take aim at my efforts and first up to bat is Jason Colavito. Mr. Colavito is a professional skeptic who writes for Skeptic Magazine and operates along the lines of Ken Feder and Stephen Williams. An individual on a crusade to save the world from bad science. At least he spelled my name right. I’m flattered that he considers me a “professional” skeptic, but since I don’t get paid for it (and have an actual job and career outside of this), I can only claim to be a recreational skeptic. (Note: Vieira claims you know he is honest because he does not get paid to talk about giants, either.) I’m pleased to be lumped in with Ken Feder, whom I know and respect, however. I hardly think, though, that pointing to flaws in alternative history arguments will do much toward saving the world from bad science. However, the professional skeptic makes no attempt to evaluate evidence in an open minded fashion, trying to explain anomalies, rather chooses to enter the debate with a preconceived and unbending view of reality based on academic consensus and other filtering mechanisms. Really? Somehow I’ve never tried to explain anomalies? I’ve gone to the trouble of tracking down the ancient sources for the Chupacabra myth, found the secret NSA and CIA files that explain the Spitsbergen UFO hoax, and discovered the real story behind the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. I even translated acres of “ancient texts” to find what stands behind idiotic claims. The trouble is that 6, 7, or even 8 foot skeletons are not supernatural anomalies but entirely consistent with normal human variation. Vieira, however, wants these to be anomalous—why I’m not sure. If we assume they are somehow anomalies, it implies that these bones are not Native American, and then we get to the heart of the matter: Such claims represent an attempt to carve out room for Biblical Nephilim, Atlanteans, lost white races, and other such imaginary entries in the canon of “true” discoverers of North America. But if we play along and pretend these bones are somehow proof of superhuman visitors from the Aryan home world or remnants of the Great Flood or whatever he thinks they are, where do we find the evidence? These sources include The New York Times, The Washington Post, LA Times, Scientific American, American Antiquarian, Popular Science, hundreds of town and county histories, archaeological bulletins, hundreds of newspapers and finally the Smithsonian's own ethnology reports. […] Do you think if the local newspaper were reporting a fake story about a giant human skeleton being found on the property of a prominent citizen that there would not be a huge backlash? We’ve seen the Smithsonian reports and their 7-foot skeletons. You know why I don’t trust newspaper accounts without some sort of independent substantiation? Nineteenth century newspapers were notorious for making stuff up. Here are some of the other amazing “facts” papers of the time reported as absolutely true:
As Mark Twain pointed out in creating his “A Petrified Man” hoax of 1861, stories of bizarre skeletons, petrified corpses, and other ancient anomalies were both wildly popular in regional newspapers and completely false. Using real (or realistic) names was part of the “fun” of Victorian journalism, which was closer to entertainment than the mid-twentieth century “objective” model we unconsciously assume is and has always been journalism’s goal. But again: 6 or 7 foot skeletons aren’t really “anomalous,” or “giants.” It's odd we never hear the skeptics world view. We never hear the skeptic trying to explain an anomaly. Never will you hear an attempt at a logical explanation for these reports. So, over a thousand reports from all over the country, from many respected publications, from respected historians, archaeologists and anthropologists and spanning a 150 year period are all hoaxes and mastodon bones. Childish. Well, over the past few days (including pieces written before Vieira wrote his) I’m pretty sure that I tried to explain that humans vary naturally in size, and I also offered up some thoughts on misidentified mastodon bones (which Vieira rejects as a valid hypothesis on the grounds that he doesn’t think anyone could mistake mastodon bones for human, despite thousands of years of evidence to the contrary) as well as how freeze-thaw cycles of ice crystal formation can distort buried bone sizes. Is that good enough? Apparently not. But here’s the kicker: Colavito drops words and phrases like "extant" and "prima facie" like he is going to intellectually bully someone around. This overcompensating and arrogant behavior is as transparent as Saran Wrap. It smacks of a freshman writing student trying to pad an essay in a test he didn't study for. So in conclusion, for Mr. Colavito or any other troll who would attempt to offhandedly dismiss these 1000+ reports, before I answer any of your questions answer mine. Explain how over one thousand individual unique reports of giant human skeletons, giant skulls and jawbones found their way into all of these respected publications. Show your math. And now we get to the whole point: Vieira, a stonemason and student of Edgar Cayce’s psychic readings, doesn’t like people he perceives as more intellectually qualified and/or educated than him. Seriously? My vocabulary is bullying? Let me tender my most sincere and humble apologies for having the gall to use the right word in the correct place; far from “padding,” the words I choose pack extra meaning into fewer words, which is the purpose of those nasty pieces of vocabulary that are so troubling to our plainspoken hero. So plainspoken, in fact, is Jim Vieira that his TEDx Talk on giants and (sigh) the Smithsonian conspiracy to hide them had to be removed from TED’s YouTube channel for failure to adhere to basic levels of scientific accuracy. Here’s a few choice problems with Vieira’s speech, according to TED: At 4:05 — You claim: “The moundbuilders who built all kinds of structures.” All evidence for the moundbuilders’ architecture suggests that they built with sod packets and wood. And on it goes. TEDx’s fact checkers also noted that any skeleton under 9 feet tall is not prima face (oops… that phrase again!) evidence of supernatural or superhuman giants as these heights were recorded for living people, including in pre-modern historical contexts. They might also have noted that “Mound Builder” is an obsolete and biased term implying a separate race of people from the Native peoples of the United States.
That’s the trouble with avoiding the type of language needed to make points clear; you end up with broad and unsubstantiated claims that don’t make sense. But when you are out to prove Edgar Cayce was right about Atlantis and ancient civilizations, you will not let anything get in your way.
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Christopher Randolph
8/4/2013 07:42:36 am
We're in Idiocracy and you've just been accused of 'talking like a fag."
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D Npnch
11/14/2013 10:08:55 am
im just amazed that everything new in science is just cast aside.there have been documented cases of bones of this type too many times.
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d npnch
11/14/2013 01:18:05 pm
i'd also like to know if any of the people who want to prove or disapprove these claims have done any homework. I am going to dig as much out of this and comment back on this. So many of these comments are written in the form of half literates and people who don't complete their thoughts!!! 11/5/2014 01:37:50 am
I think you are an idiot programmed and controlled by the friendly media you work for. Like all good reporters you play your role very well and wear your mask very tightly but it doesn't fool anyone because we know ultimately you are a yes man being told shoot this down, we need your take on this and so on. Don't bother denying it we all know how this goes. Friendly media! They preach lies to present a scenario, often made up BS! They've been caught. Doesn't mean they all lie. Just that we can't trust them. I"ve been to the museums. Where are the skulls of the long heads!? Find them show me you ass! They are not out. They are not displayed. This is by definition hidden. What planet do you live on where your eyes selectively work on and off!? Go show me and take a picture of the long head skulls dug up east of Chicago take by the Smithsonian in 1932 and show me where they are? You know what said when I asked? We don't have any such skulls! Either you are a lying friendly media shill and education shill like those hiding these or you are not? Which is it? We all know. Rhetorical! We're going to steam roll over guys like you very soon with real finds. I have worked in dentistry all my life and recently took pictures and documents of another skull, not human. I know the skull. I know what I saw. I don't just believe it exists. Its out there. Sooner or later a guy like me is not gong to be on a keyboard but in your faces with these and we'll see how that shit eating grin of yours looks then scum bag!
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7/15/2015 05:40:45 am
Hello Jason..SO you go from the normal ad hominem posts to one on semantics, always avoiding the meat and potatoes....Yes there are many shills, yes everyone has made a bad quote now and again, so lets aggregate...
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mitchell lightfoot
8/11/2017 12:41:45 pm
Mike, you are so right. You seem to be the perfect candidate to be employed by L.A. Marzulli or Tim Alberino. LOL. Yes, funny. Funny but accurately true. There are too many clues left behind with the addition of modern archaeology. Specifically, biblical archaeology that will dig up enough evidence to blow away the Smithsoniangaters (thanks, Mr. Childress) and thank you very much Mr. Albany for standing up for ancient truths that can be covered up but some inevitably proven. The other side of this is fables and tales of ancient peoples and their cultures are typically ignored, exaggerated or spoofed every time when the subject of ancient giants come into play. My question on this is: How can 100% of all accounts, whether biblical, historical, newsworthy or archaeological, be denied? I have a theory: Reprobate minds that refuse to believe even when truth hits them between the eyes. Remember the Pharisees that saw miracles and afterwards either denied them or Jesus was associated with demons. There are many today that will never believe in anything that interferes with their so-called intellect and their bias mindset. Perhaps their minds like this are the ones truly handed over to reprobate minds.
Luigi Arias
4/22/2018 11:27:39 pm
The probablemente with the Skeptics Community is that they think they’re superior, you can’t debunk someone without making fun of them, or using a superior tone. Please don’t say it’s my insercurties, that’s nonsense, I was once part of this community, and arrogance is what defies this community. Jason you have a horrible rebuttal, you ignored points he made and choose points which were more convenient for you to answer. As you didn’t mention giants are in Native American history, and apparently their not human beings and their stories can’t be based on truth. Just like when the local Congo people mentioned of a giant ape monster in the forest, the colonizers ignored them out of rascism just to be proven wrong. The scientific community ignores what Native people have to say, and I have to fucking say it’s fucking racists and I’m tired of it. There are countless of myths that have later been discovered to be based on some truth, that it’s ridiculous. Giants are scientifically possible as we have found remains of species that resemble them, theyre in our evolutionary tree, fucking explore it. Follow the evidence not your beliefs.
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William Best
8/4/2013 09:49:18 am
I am having such a hard time understanding the idea of a Smithsonian Conspiracy here.
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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 10:29:01 am
William Best,
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Varika
8/4/2013 11:51:20 am
I can tell you that the Mutter medical museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCtter_Museum) in Philadelphia has on display several types of "abnormal" skeletons, including I BELIEVE it's a plaster cast of the skeleton of a person with gigantism. I do recall that it was well over 7 feet tall. They also have a soap mummy, whom I thought was quite beautiful. When visiting the museum, I didn't find that it was distasteful, disrespectful, or offensive; in fact the museum seems to have gone out of its way to foster an air of respect for these remains. I don't think that the problem was or would have been displaying the remains, but in the inconsiderate collection of them in the first place. It's one thing to donate one's body to science after one dies and have one's remains on display because of that; it's another entirely to go dig up my grandmother without asking and laugh in my face when I get upset about it, which is what archeologists in the Victorian era were doing.
Christopher Randolph
8/4/2013 01:04:21 pm
I'm in Philadelphia & have been to the Mutter a number of times. I believe that's a real skeleton, and the tallest on display in the country.
Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 01:41:52 pm
Mordecai.
Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 03:53:06 pm
Hey Tara Jordan,
Isaac
8/4/2013 03:58:52 pm
Mordecai, if I might be so bold,
Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 05:15:20 pm
Mordecai. 5/6/2014 10:49:33 am
Allyon's scribe wrote of herbal and animal concoction that was rubbed on 2year old males by old women in a people group in upper south carolina. Most likely mammalian growth hormones, mixed with what was described as plants and bear grease. the woman said it was a window of age to promote mega growth older dates were discovered by cyrus thomas with six fingers and double rows of teath. Maybe because they had applied the hormones to older males, creating some bad mutations.
Isaac
8/4/2013 10:26:34 am
Is the "conspiracy" to cover up a lost white race because it will offend modern liberal ideas, or is it to cover up the fact that Native Americans were / are more likely to exceed 7 feet in height?
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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 10:35:31 am
What's the problem? Gee, good question.
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Varika
8/4/2013 11:57:37 am
Isaac, the point is that there is no such conspiracy at all, ever, and that people who espouse EITHER type of conspiracy are just plain wrong, for all the reasons you've just listed. The problem is that some people insist, in the face of all reasonable evidence, that whichever conspiracy they prefer still exists. Along, I might add, with a handful of people who like to gratuitously attack. Some of them attack the skeptics, some of them attack the credulous.
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William D. Best
8/4/2013 12:31:54 pm
Agreed Varika.
Isaac
8/4/2013 12:44:14 pm
(For the record, I think you are all ignorant of the truth here. You see I, like Cayce, am a powerful psychic who is in contact with the Atlantean high priests Klarkash-Ton and Ech-Pi-El who both assure me that the mounds were constructed under the guidance of a rather unsavory character with an octopus head.)
James
6/16/2014 08:07:58 am
To say that the Smithsonian has "kept ...these records readily available" instantly tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. I have researched several I these reports and the vast majority are NOT available on the internet. They remain I disturbed on the micro film of our local libraries in the newspaper archive sections. I recently uncovered a photograph of an 8ft skeleton taken by a reporter from a very well respected Midwestern newspaper. I visited the cave myself and found a depression large enough to conceal a large body in the very location the article claimed the skeleton was unearthed. I spoke to relatives of the man who dug the skeleton from the cave as well as relatives of the doctor who examined the specimen and actually displayed it in his office until such a time that the article reports that the doctor carefully packed and shipped the bones to, you guessed it, The Smithsonian. One such story satisfactorily verified does not make a conspiracy nor does it proves that a race of white, red haired giants once roamed America. What it does is bolster the idea that there is much more to the history of our country than we have been told. General John Wesley Powell, the first director of the museum, was adamant that any finds that went against the notion that all pre-colonial peoples were savages, were to be discarded. This was known as the "Powell Doctrine". I suggest the author of this blog do his own research at the local library. I think he would be astounded at what he would find.
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6/16/2014 08:23:55 am
I am quite confused. You don't find that records publicly available at libraries and other institutions are "readily available"?
Point of order:
Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 02:02:40 pm
I`ll do my best to remain polite.First,who the hell is Jim Vieira ?.Then you learn,"He has been a student of Edgar Cayce's most of his life and sees Cayce's readings continuing to be verified by new science....".In layman`s term Jim Vieira is life long Cuckoo.We live in a cruel world indeed.....
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10/14/2013 05:39:30 pm
Hey Tara, I am very curious where you found the info on Jim being a student of Edgar Cayces. I hope you get this.
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Deep6DLH
11/23/2014 08:17:04 am
Tara,
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Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 02:37:21 pm
The New Era Times (featuring the "researches" of Jim Vieira) is a must.An online psychiatric asylum for astrologers,spiritual & collective healers,earthquake predictions "experts"(unless I missed something,apparently none of these puppies saw the great Tōhoku earthquake coming).
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8/4/2013 04:07:38 pm
I've been away for a while and looks like I've missed some fun stuff. I've actually been translating some 16th, 17th, and 18th century gigantologies while I was gone. My brain is full to overflowing with giants right now.
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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 05:32:57 pm
Hey Isaac,
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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 05:36:27 pm
Is there
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Tara Jordan
8/4/2013 06:02:57 pm
I have no issue with individuals questioning authority & challenging the Status Quo.As a matter of fact, I am always surprised at how self-proclaimed “skeptics” always support the Government - establishment view of virtually everything, no matter in what direction the evidence points, but someone who takes Edgar Cayce seriously, is definitively a crackpot.
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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/4/2013 10:18:02 pm
Tara, Isaac,
Varika
8/5/2013 06:14:20 am
Mordecai...the concept of nephilim is kind of hundreds if not thousands of years old. That Edgar Cayce might espouse a "modernized" (for his time) version of it is really no different from having it expanded upon by some monk in the middle ages, or some rabbi in a midrashic tradition (which incidentally is probably the earliest source for "nephilim are the children of angels" take).
The Other J.
8/5/2013 10:06:52 am
Like Varika said, just because someone/a movement has a following doesn't make it necessarily correct. Ronald and Nancy Reagan consulted astrologers. Jim Jones had a following.
james
12/11/2014 06:06:38 pm
Tara, 8/4/2013 11:40:56 pm
If that's the case, then why did the Smithsonian's rival museum, Harvard's Peabody, which opposed the Smithsonian on nearly every ideological point at the time, agree to participate in the conspiracy?
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7/15/2015 06:35:14 am
Maybe both their seed money came from the same place...And maybe that same place wants the narrative staying the same...Last I checked most of the wealthiest people in the world are acquaintances with eachother....
Luigi Arias
4/22/2018 11:41:50 pm
You’re acting as the Smithsonian is a university, it’s a fucking club made by rich people to go dig shit up. One can say that a good amount of those rich assholes graduated from Harvard, they probably gave money to Harvard (this argue meant is for any Ivy League school). Money would have kept every school quiet, that’s it. Simple enough, this was a club by rich men, and if they wanted to shut someone up they definitely had the resources to. Yes it’s a conspiracy, they happened, it’s not crazy to think that small group would get together to crave up a common goal, that’s literally most of history (that’s not to say every conspiracy is right, don’t get triggered). I believe the scientific method is humanities greatest creation, but institutions can be corrupted, hence scientific institutions can be curropted. 7/15/2015 06:12:04 am
AKA getting your pension taken away....You want to know these mainstream archaeologists are all afraid of???? If you want to know how old the Sphinx is ask a geologist, never a museum sponsored archaeologist or historian, both have the same boss.
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Degaz
8/24/2013 11:58:59 am
You don't mention the double rows of teeth. Is that a natural anomaly as well?
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Tobias W
1/22/2014 11:07:19 pm
After seeing and reading abit about Jim and his research, i find it abit lacking that you focus on that there were people around 8-9 feet tall even back then.
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David Williams
11/8/2014 07:05:57 pm
"We’ve seen the Smithsonian reports and their 7-foot skeletons. You know why I don’t trust newspaper accounts without some sort of independent substantiation? Nineteenth century newspapers were notorious for making stuff up. Here are some of the other amazing “facts” papers of the time reported as absolutely true"
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James
11/30/2014 10:56:54 am
Of course he used a "broad based dismissal"! If he didn't, he would actually have to do serious research; tedious, mind numbing, get off your ass go in the field research. The ONLY way to "debunk" the articles without looking at each report, is to say, "It's all made up". Funny thing is, as I have found out, when one researches individual reports, instead of finding evidence of hoaxing, I have found more evidence to back up the original claim. Jason is peeing in his pants because his whole house of cards is about to crash on his head and he's going to have to find another way to make a living. Sonics hiring bill put in a good word for him.
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jeff
2/13/2015 10:36:38 am
I hope my reply got to you but if you can get in touch with him or bill bodies I have info that will go a long way another person looking into past people's being here must get info to them 4147691169 leave message if I'm not serious would not leave a number
James
11/9/2014 01:39:01 am
Paul,
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james
2/13/2015 10:23:25 am
James if you get this I have info that I really need to get to him Bodies no bullshit think I have a way for them to prove everything and has been out in the open
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Bernie
11/24/2014 04:14:26 pm
I've come to believe that using ancient stories like those from the bible for instance as a source of truth of extraordinary facts like giants is like as if people thousands of years from now watch our fantasy movies about werewolves and vampires for example and claim there must be some basis for the stories. Or maybe an even better example would be if they picked up on a character like Freddie Kruger and thought that had historical basis
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james
2/13/2015 10:27:57 am
I'm Jeff just replied about getting info to the vieiera bfigured 4147691169
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The definition of a conspiracy is qualified with this statement, "Nineteenth century newspapers were notorious for making stuff up." This is off the scale conspiracy to judge 100 years of newspaper reports as conspiring, inflating, or collective deception would bring out the tinfoil skeptical hat for Mr. Colavito. The 19th century "Colavito conspiracy" doesn't end with just the 19th century. It extends through all of written history, all of the Spanish Explorers, Dutch, French, and multinational explorers that saw people that exceeded 9 feet tall. Should we discount the explorers of the 16th century and everyone in between? It is safe to say that "mini-monkey-fish-frog-men" are absent from the fossil records in spite of a century and half looking for these ape-men. So basically what i am claiming is that the so called skeptics, are the conspiracists and are guilty of cherry-picking the evidence.
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mike
11/30/2014 08:17:39 am
Any findings that may line up with a biblical perspective of giants close to ten feet tall will be thrown out. That is how people like Jason and the skeptics work. Evolution is the god of many skeptics today. Anything that may come up against that is immediately mocked and ridiculed. Even if it can be dug up or studied.
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12/9/2014 04:37:50 pm
After reading the above blog it surprised me! I love the idea of exchanging ideas, scientific theories, hypothesis of an conclusion. However, whatever this blog is it isn't any of these. It is the condescending of a fellow human being unless of course that has become scientific field I am unaware of in the educational community. Really what I see here is a educated person who has just thrown his dick on the table showing how big and superior it is! In the physical world we would call it being a bully but of course here it is all scientific and socially acceptable. I have seen men like you. A nobody who wants to prove to everyone is he is a somebody and along with his group of disciples will prove his point without any chance of rebuke or rebuttal because it is perfect. When you get through with your elementary science class this must be your hobby. What you have proven is mankind still has mental Neanderthal's with clubs of words hiding behind computer screens. Your etiquette towards others who are brave enough to try is at best crass and worst sterile in proving ANY theory of relevance. It would be interesting to see your past scientific accomplishments of note in your field and any reviews by your peers independent of your groupies. A man's worth is not measured by how he demeans others but how he helps and promotes the cause of helping man become better. You my dear blogger are slipping backwards to throwing rocks at those who are not like you or think differently than you. You are a waste of such talent because such a man as yourself using the passion shown here in this blog could be so much better directed in saving lives, or going to Mars, or possibly curing cancer. A shame that I have wasted my time also.
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anonymous
12/10/2014 07:12:49 pm
By the 1880's, due to the fear of discovery brought on by an increased interest in archeology, the establishments of Christendom ordered that all archaeological excavations be
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Mary
10/18/2015 08:53:41 pm
you are clueless, aka, an ignorant asshole ,,, Jim V knows from whence he speaks......wake up
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Grant Molyneux
1/27/2016 01:58:59 am
Have you learned recently of the court case involving the Smithsonian, brought by (name/group unknown) in which they admitted to destroying a lot of evidence related to the giant skeletons and gave reasons why? If not you should look in to it. And if appropriate, look into the closest mirror to see what egg on ones face looks like!
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6/23/2016 01:23:49 pm
Lol - the alleged court case was another World News Daily hoax that Grant seems to have swallowed without doing his research.
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James
6/23/2016 05:23:05 pm
No one who is serious about this subject took that article seriously. Unfortunately there are numerous fake "news" sites that post crap like this. It doesn't however change the thousands of articles published in the biggest papers and the comments from leading archaeologists and scientists of the day confirming these finds. I suggest you read Richard Dewhurst's book compiled after years of uncovering such articles in the archives of America's newspapers.
Wendy
3/28/2017 12:24:14 am
...and Bretz in the 1920s and30s was considered a crackpot for putting forth the theory that the Scablands were the result of a sudden catastroohic occurrence. His theory was considered heresy and he was deemed a pariah, an outcast. "Not a single voice was raised in support of Bretz and there was much patronizing dismissal if his 'outrageous hypothesis'."(Magician's of the Gods, pg. 59, 60, Graham Hancock). However, 80+ years later, credentialed scientists (Kennett, Firestone and West) put forth a theory that fragments of a comet upon impact would create such conditions that support Bretz's theory of a catastrophic occurrence. The comet impact theory is now supported by scientific findings of nanodiamonds and is becoming an accepted theory. The current science that was unavailable in the 20's pretty clearly supports the 'crackpot, pariah' Bretz's initial theory. The poor man was vilified by colleagues who thought they were more intellectually sound than Bretz. My point is, as with Bretz, I suggest the 'professionals' keep an open mind to theories of others that may cut against the mainstream. Jim V (I do not know the man) may not be mainstream but that does not discount his theories. He makes valid points. Lastly, it is ignorant to use one's spiritual beliefs in an attempt to discredit a theory unrelated to spiritualism but based upon real evidence. How does the saying go...."......it is the most intelligent man who knows there is much he doesn't know...." or something along those lines. Just sayin'.
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Jason, stop being a little bitch. Plain and simple. You sound like an overly sensitive headass who got his feelings hurt by an intellectually superior ALPHA male like Jim Vieira. Being that you have such an extensive vocabulary in that noggin of yours, go look up the word BETA MALE in the fuckin dictionary buddy because that's what you sound like lmao. Use your brain next time so you don't attempt to offer up another shitty rebuttal like this.
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