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Josh Gates Launches New Show, Same as Old Show

1/17/2020

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Last week, I discussed Expedition Unknown host Josh Gates in his role as a trustee of the Archaeological Institute of America, a nonprofit which “promotes archaeological inquiry and public understanding of the material record of the human past to foster an appreciation of diverse cultures and our shared humanity.” I criticized the AIA for giving a prominent role, both administratively and in terms of public events, to Gates because his program had included some dubious content and awful guests. Gates has occasionally spoken in glowing terms about the ancient astronaut theory, and his show airs on a network owned by Discovery Communications, a conglomerate responsible for some of the most damaging pseudoscientific series of the past few years, such as Legends of the Lost.
In response to my tweet tied to that blog post, Gates tweeted a response repudiating the ancient astronaut theory in absolute terms, and then quickly deleted the tweet.
 
However, it was more than interesting that his repudiation of the ancient astronaut theory and its space alien connections disappeared in time for the announcement of a new Gates-led spinoff series, Expedition X, which will revive the old Destination Truth format and once again send Gates, along with cable TV talking head and scientist Phil Torres and ex-Nerdist broadcaster and paranormal podcaster Jessica Chobot, in search of ghosts, cryptids, and space aliens.
 
Expedition X will focus on, basically, pseudoscience, while the mothership series will retain its focus on more history-based “mysteries.”
 
With the revival of Gates’s participation in hunts for space aliens, ghosts, and other paranormal claims, this heavily undercuts the arguments that Gates has repeatedly made in public events that his current show falls on the more responsible end of the cable spectrum and serves to generate interest in archaeology and science. It’s hard to see another paranormal show, and one on the main Discovery Channel rather than its low-rated sister stations, as anything but more glorification of knowingly fake “mysteries” and pseudoscience. Granted, Destination Truth was never obsessed with pseudoscience, spending more time on local cultures and folklore, but Gates happily trumpeted fake Yeti evidence to promote that series, and the new show will have heavily lifting to do to in order to prove itself anything other another cable paranormal show.
 
The new series will begin airing Feb. 12 and will be the third Gates-helmed series airing on Discovery, alongside Expedition Unknown and Expedition Unknown: After the Hunt. The three shows will air in a block. Gates also hosts a fourth series on Discovery’s Travel Channel, Legendary Locations.
46 Comments
Heavenly Gates
1/17/2020 08:37:33 am

Easy money. That's for sure. And the stuff he peddles will never lose its popularity. The BBC definintively debunked Erich Von Daniken in "The Case of the Ancient Astornauts" in 1977 and that subject matter has risen in massive stature in those 43 years since that documentary was aired. Exopolitics has been invented to buttress flying saucers.

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White person
1/17/2020 10:06:27 am

So called scientist have always been correct about everything.

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ANOTHER WHITE PERSON
1/17/2020 10:15:07 am

Even mainstream zoologists from Universities were looking for the Yeti in Arthur C Clarke's Mysterious World documentary series - that was way back in 1980 - which was 40 years ago. Nothing has been found to date.

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Hickory Dickory
1/17/2020 10:51:22 am

I think we all know what Arthur C. Clarke was looking for.

ANOTHER WHITE PERSON
1/17/2020 02:00:51 pm

I was referring to the guests on the documentary series, not to Arthur C. Clarke.

ANOTHER WHITE PERSON
1/18/2020 01:09:04 am

Josh Gates is no different to those New Testament scholars. Now those are REAL bimbos.

crash55
1/17/2020 11:35:02 am

Personally, I will reserve judgement until we at least see the first episode.

There is no problem with investigating legends so long as one treats them as legends and not history. Usually there is something that inspired the legend and that is worth finding.

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Brooksie
1/17/2020 11:58:00 am

In American English the “e” is dropped in the word “judgment.”

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Crash55
1/17/2020 12:16:14 pm

According to Merrimack-Webster both are acceptable but the use of the version with the e is older. Without the e is more popular in the US.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/judgment Scroll down to see the comments

Brooksie
1/17/2020 12:19:31 pm

I’m just trying to help you not to appear illiterate. You’re welcome.

Crash55
1/17/2020 12:23:31 pm

No you are nitpicking to try an make yourself look intelligent. For some reason that is a common theme on this blog. There is a wide gap from using British spelling to illiterate, especially in these days of spellchecking.

Brooksie
1/17/2020 12:33:46 pm

Well, you appear to be the type of person who stubbornly refuses to admit when he’s wrong in the face of clear evidence. Perhaps that explains your station in life?

Crash55
1/17/2020 12:39:22 pm

And you appear the type of person that likes to nitpick. I am seriously wondering if you are really Kent under a new screen name.

I was not wrong. The link shows it was a valid but less popular spelling. Had the Webster said it was incorrect I would have admitted it. When I make an error I admit it.

You have no clue what my station in life is.

Bill
1/17/2020 12:46:25 pm

@CRASH55 - Don't feed to troll. No point in arguing since they have already decided they are right no matter what evidence is presented. Maybe they have a hatred for the letter "e", not sure why anyone would care otherwise.

Back on topic - I like Gates and his shows. He doesn't take himself too seriously but often presents an enjoyable story.

Brooksie
1/17/2020 12:47:07 pm

Christ on a bike, that’s exactly why there was a question mark at the end of the sentence, Mr. Illiterate!

Crash55
1/17/2020 12:52:33 pm

@Bill

I know there is no way to appease a troll like Brooksie / Kent / whatever screen name. Though sometimes it is fun. At present it was giving me an excuse to delay cleaning the fish tank.

On topic, I also like Gates. He has an appropriate degree, doesn’t take himself too seriously, and rarely goes to far towards the fringe.

If you look at Ancient Aliens and similar there have been real PhD level mainstream scholars on those shows like Robert Cargill and Candida Moss. So long as they don’t explicitly endorse the fringe / pseudoscience I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Crash55
1/17/2020 12:58:56 pm

Mr/ms troll,

You know as well as I that that sentence was not asking about my station in life but rather implying that I had a low station in life due to the writer’s false belief that I can’t admit when I was wrong.

Now go slither back into your cave and let the rest of us actually discuss the topic at hand. I am done wasting time debating trolls. Cleaning the fish tank has actually become more enjoyable.

Brooke Shields
1/17/2020 12:53:42 pm

"I'm just trying to help you not appear to be illiterate."

Or you could try to help him avoid appearing to be illiterate.



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Franklin
1/17/2020 01:09:09 pm

I didn't go to college but wouldnt knowing both of the correct spellings of a word indicate the opposite of illiterate?

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Kentypoo
1/17/2020 01:27:43 pm

Yes, Franklin, Crash55 knowing both terms is the opposite of illiterate.

What "Brooke Shields" cleverly did was point out that "Brooksie" wrote a clunky, poorly-written--some might say illiterate--sentence to point Crash55's alleged illiteracy.

Josh Gates has a bachelor's degree in archeology. In order to he employed doing legitimate digs he would probably need a graduate degree. He probably knows what he's doing is nonsense, but it pays the bills.

Doc Rock
1/17/2020 01:47:05 pm

Try reading Brooksie's comments using the voice of the comic book store owner on the Simpsons.

You can work in archaeology with a B.A.but generally in a role like crew chief or entry level tech. Dressing up like Indiana jones and standing in front of a camera pays a lot better and is easier on the back, though.

Crash55
1/17/2020 01:48:14 pm

The generally understood definition of illiterate is being unable to read or right. It can also be used to suggest little to no education or a lack of knowledge in a particular subject. See the link at Webster’s if you care: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illiterate

Using it to attack a supposed spelling error of a multi-syllabic is an incorrect usage of the word. As has been stated knowing multiple possible spellings of a word is the opposite of what Brooksie stated.


As for Gates, yes I know he only has a BS. That would normally keep him from being a dig director but not from working under someone with an advanced degree. I know this because I was curious once and looked into what you could do with a BS in archaeology a few years ago.

I am sure Gates realizes that most of the stuff he presents is more entertainment than education but as was said it pays the bills. I a sure he is making more than he could have as an actual archaeologist.

It makes me wonder if there is someway I can use my degree and experience for some sort of travel based show in retirement.

I love the name brooksie!
1/17/2020 01:54:13 pm

At least Kent is coming up with some cute names for his latest sock puppets.

Kentypoo
1/17/2020 02:07:28 pm

That comic book store owner on the Simpsons had a master's in Greek mythology. I remember that from the episode where Bart and Milhouse buy a limited edition comic.

So Josh Gates could wreck his back doing grunt-work on digs, own a comic book store, or host a cable TV show looking ft Bigfoot. I think he made the same choice many of us would have made if given the choice.

Brooksie fanboy
1/17/2020 02:18:38 pm

Returning to the main subject, do you think Josh Gates spells the word “judgment” or “judgement”?

Squidward
1/17/2020 02:30:05 pm

I don't know about his spelling choice for judgment but he has been known to write "wheel barrow" on occasion. But it is okay because he used to use a typewriter.

This damn ankle monitor
1/17/2020 04:26:37 pm

Kent has been on court-ordered home detention since the Ancestry.Com DNA "sample" incident. He has been blackballed by every escort service in town. All the 900 chat number services have blocked his phone number. None of the pets in the neighborhood will go near his house. His death row pen pals quite answering his letters six montgs ago. So he has plenty of time on his hands to create catchy sounding aliases.

Jr. Time Lord
1/17/2020 01:48:10 pm

"...Expedition X, which will revive the old Destination Truth format and once again send Gates, along with cable TV talking head and scientist Phil Torres and ex-Nerdist broadcaster and paranormal podcaster Jessica Chobot, in search of ghosts, cryptids, and space aliens."

More televised Snipe Hunts or more accurately stated, remakes of previously televised Snipe Hunts. Might as well get Geraldo and recheck Al Capone's vault.

Gates has always reminded me of the fraternity brother from a sheltered background smoking weed for the first time in winter. PHOO...PHOO...PHOOOOOOOO!!! "I CAN'T GET IT ALL OUT!!!" PHOOOOOOOO!!! "I CAN'T GET IT ALL OUT!!!"

Dude...Chill out...It's just your breath.




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Jim
1/17/2020 01:55:26 pm

I think too much is made of Gates degree in archeology.
He is a TV personality, that's it.

He tries to have his cake and eat it too with regards to his audience.
He certainly doesn't mind taking short trips down the rabbit hole to drum up interest in his shows.
I expect these rabbit hole trips will get longer and deeper in the future, especially if his ratings begin to drop.
You can only play both ends against the middle for so long before you must make a choice.

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Crash55
1/17/2020 02:17:12 pm

The degree is used to give him some credibility which is more than the hosts of similar programs have. It also probably helps him get into actual digs, which he has done several times in the past.

The Maya digs he visited I saw later on National Geographic as part of an Albert Lin special. So Gates does sometimes cross into the real world of archaeology.

I do agree though that you can only go down the rabbit hole so many times before it costs you that credibility. It is a tight rope walk and not everyone is a Wallenda.

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Jim
1/17/2020 03:53:46 pm

Sure, his degree lends him an air of credibility, I'm just not certain whether it's deserved or not.
He seems to have spent his whole working life in television rather than actually doing anything in the field of archeology. Hopefully he retains enough of his education to be somewhat grounded, although he seems to be drifting in the wrong direction.

"The degree is used to give him some credibility which is more than the hosts of similar programs have."

OMG (lol),,, Have you forgotten the illustrious Blue Nelson and Mike Arbuthnot from America’s Lost Vikings ?
These guys seem more qualified, but perhaps less charismatic.
Arbuthnot is an archaeologist but,,,,yikes,,Atlantis ?

https://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2019/02/09/finding-the-truth-behind-americas-lost-vikings-advance-review/

"Blue Nelson is an archaeologist, who appears to work in Cultural Resource Management"

Arbuthnot is an archaeologist who specializes in underwater archaeology and used to run a company called Team Atlantis,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Arbuthnot then proceeds to argue for completely unsupported ideas of cultural diffusion to the Americas via prehistoric European migration by boat or raft."

Brooksie
1/17/2020 04:46:16 pm

How much of an “air of credibility” would you assign to me if I told you that I have an advanced degree in English? Would you still clepe me a “troll” when I graciously provide expert advice like I did supra in the “judgment versus judgement” discussion?

Crash55
1/17/2020 06:13:22 pm

@Jim

Credibility can be lost far easier than it is gained. Arbuthnot lost what credibility his education gave him after a couple episodes of Lost Vikings.

There are mainstream archaeologists that endorse the European migration for the settlement of the Americas but they are few and most appear to view it as a secondary route. See the latest Smithsonian magazine for for a mention of it.

Suprastar.
1/17/2020 06:14:09 pm

Clepetomaniac: One who suffers from the urge to condemn imaginary spelling errors.

Crash55
1/17/2020 06:18:56 pm

@Brooksie

Even if I believed you any credibility you would have had was lost with your improper use of the term illiterate. That and your former prose was more fitting for a middle schooler than someone with an advanced degree in English.

There is also the fact that most people with advanced English degree love the OED and it clearly supports both spellings. Even Webster’s say booth are acceptable though no e is more popular in American English. So if you have an advanced degree in English it does not reflect well on your alma mater.

Then again an advanced degree in English and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee. It is one of the more useless degrees unless married with something like a teaching certificate.

Crash55
1/17/2020 06:21:20 pm

And before anyone nitpicks I admit to typos in the above post. Spellcheck and a small screen without reading glasses sometimes lets one down

Earl
1/17/2020 06:28:15 pm

All undergraduate language degrees are worthless unless accompanied by a teaching certification. A two year degree in HVAC from the local JUCO would be more useful.

Brooksie
1/17/2020 08:37:14 pm

I learned about the “judgment versus judgement” issue when I was about 15 years old. Anyone with a modicum of formal education is familiar with the history of the dispute, including William Safire’s famous contribution. The fact that you did not previously know about this issue prior to my raising it to you today understandably makes me question your level of literacy.

My original point was that an American who spells the word “judgement” comes across as illiterate (and not just to me —take my word for it) which is not the same thing as actually being illiterate. Once again, you failed in reading comprehension. I subsequently called you Mr. Illiterate because you took on the assignation yourself.

Crash55
1/17/2020 08:53:26 pm

If you haven’t figured it out now one but you appears to care about whether or not there is an e in judgment / judgement. In today’s world spelling is left to spellcheck and three different ones I have used in writing replies today have all allowed both.

Formal education varies greatly across the English speaking world and mine never covered that particular controversy. My guess is that yours was so long ago people actual cared about the differences between UK and American English. Current education at the high school level (you mentioned 15) has more important issues to cover.

Question my literacy / level of education all you wish. Luckily your opinion has no bearing on anything. The comments by others on this post should have already told you that. So keep on pointing out useless minutia to stroke your ego and I will try to stay on target. I will though try to use British or archaic spellings whenever possible just to annoy you.

Not Kent
1/17/2020 10:40:38 pm

"I have an advanced degree in English..."

Yup. Oh, yah. That was evident when I first encountered ACDD.

Just want to say that you folks discussing how degrees-equals-paychecks is one of the most nauseating things I have encountered on this blog. Which is cool because: "Came for the Cthulhu, stayed for the creepy pasta"; so it's my own fault.

Anyhow, you can't stop KENT with writing.

Idiots.

Crash55
1/18/2020 10:39:08 am

The discussion was degrees equal credibility. As in having a degree lends you a certain basic credibility in your field.

There are certain fields where degrees do equal pay and others were they are overkill.

One must always remember this though:
BS -= bullsh$t
MS = more sh$t
PhD = pile it higher and deeper

Bill Sapphire
1/18/2020 01:12:41 pm

Brooksie strikes me as the type of person who really does have an advanced degree but never accomplished much of anything with it. To compensate they engage in this type of behavior.

In the absence of a rule or editorial policy discouraging the use of common alternative spellings, this practice is a non-issue, especially in adult settings catering to an international readership.

Kent
1/17/2020 10:34:35 pm

Y'all are really some fucking idiots.

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Not Kent
1/17/2020 10:56:03 pm

❤️

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Kent
1/18/2020 01:05:24 am

No different from those shit head New Testament scholars who try to brain wash us all into believing that the Gospels date from the first century - they all want their testicles removing. Josh Gates is "bad" ?? Hah !!

Crash55
1/18/2020 09:32:15 am

Only a few scholars put the gospels in the first century. Most put them in the second century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament


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