L. A. Marzulli Cites Jacques Vallée and J. Allen Hynek on Interdimensional UFOs

12/6/2018

Before we begin today, I will report the Nielsen ratings for Megan Fox’s Travel Channel series Legends of the Lost, which debuted on Tuesday. It tanked. Bad. Fast national ratings, which will be adjusted slightly for DVR viewing in the coming days, indicate that 429,000 people watched the show live, making it the 76th ranked cable show for Tuesday. The show was in a bad spot because of its timeslot, 8 PM to avoid airing opposite the cable leader in the category and across all shows, The Curse of Oak Island, on rival History at 9 PM, a show that attracts 3.3 million viewers—1% of all Americans, not just America’s 100 million TV households. Legends, however, failed even to rival the Curse recap special that aired opposite it and easily defeated the dull Travel attempt to attract the same audience.

Frankly, I figured Travel considered Fox’s show a dud when they scheduled the season finale for Christmas.

Anyway, on to today’s topic…

It’s sort of strange to watch the many different prongs of the UFO world converge on something new and weird, not unlike watching a group of flies scatter and converge on different pieces of dung. In this case, the new consensus seems to revolve around the idea that space aliens are not actually aliens but demon-monsters from another dimension. Granted, this not a new idea, but it is one that is becoming uncommonly pronounced across the UFO world, and it all traces back to the same source—a testament, indeed, to the incestuous nature of ufology as well as the paucity of originality in the field.

Anyway, the proximate cause of today’s discussion is a recent Dec. 4 blog post by Nephilim theorist L. A. Marzulli. He suffered the loss of his California home and merchandise inventory in the recent wildfires, which is quite sad. But he came back from that disaster with a Nov. 29 blog post endorsing a form of the pro-Trump Q-Anon conspiracy theory, which falsely imagines Trump and Robert Mueller working together to jail prominent Democrats. “What if President Trump is fully aware of the corruption leading up to perhaps Obama himself?” Marzulli wrote. “I have stated this numerous times but will do so again. We have not a real president since JFK with the exception of Reagon (sic)—they tried to kill him too—and now Donald Trump.”

Marzulli followed this up with a discussion of space aliens that identified the extraterrestrials as denizens of a demon dimension. And he attributed this to a familiar source:

I would posit that these are not extraterrestrials but are interdimensional beings that are masters of deception. Jaque (sic) Vallee, as well as J. Allen Hynek, put this position forth decades ago. […] The UFO phenomenon is the end-time-plan of deception straight from the Prince of the Power of the Air, which is one of Satan’s titles. These crafts move with impunity over all the airspace in every country on the planet. This is the Coming Great Deception.

Granted, most of this is nothing new, but his citation of Jacques Vallée and J. Allen Hynek marks an admission of the close relationship between Marzulli’s satanic demon theory and the interdimensional beings popular among less Christian ufologists. You will recall that To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, Robert Bigelow’s science-adjacent UFO researchers, and the Pentagon’s UFO investigation office have all endorsed the idea of interdimensional entities being mistaken for space aliens. Similarly, nearly identical claims have been aired at MUFON conferences, at various alien-themed conventions, and on the movement’s flagship Ancient Aliens broadcast, where wormholes and dimensional rifts are now spoken about as commonly as pyramids and megaliths.

The amazing thing is that these various outlets are all drawing on a single original source—or, rather, original sin.

Ancient Aliens and the UFO conferences are copying what they hear from the leading lights in the field. To the Stars, Bigelow, and the Pentagon all exist in an incestuous relationship whose Venn diagram converges on Hal Puthoff, the psychical researcher who works or has worked for all three and has made himself the keystone in government and government-adjacent UFO and paranormal investigation. As I have reported in the past, Puthoff came to adopt the claim that UFOs are interdimensional from Jacques Vallée when the two of them worked together in the same office building in the 1970s and egged each other on in reinforcing their mutual fascination with spirits and spacecraft.

You needn’t take my word for it. Vallée described it himself in his book Forbidden Science. I wrote about this a while back, but basically Vallée invented the idea of interdimensional flying saucers and Puthoff injected it into the military-industrial complex through his dogged determination to place himself in position as the government’s go-to expert on the paranormal. Bigelow bought in to Puthoff, as did Tom DeLonge, who hired him for To the Stars.

But what’s most interesting to me is that Marzulli mentioned J. Allen Hynek. That must mean that he’s been reading my blog. I published an exposé of Hynek’s belief in interdimensional poltergeist UFOs not long ago. I had received a lot of pushback from UFO believers about the matter since Hynek took great pains to avoid discussing the subject on TV or in most of his mainstream media interviews. To this day, he retains the reputation of a nuts-and-bolts ufologist, despite the fact that it was none other than Jacques Vallée who introduced him to the interdimensional hypothesis and with whom Hynek discussed his belief in the subject in a joint interview for one Vallée’s books.

It’s both fascinating and depressing to see the way a bull session between two young men possessed of keen intellect but little skepticism almost fifty years ago continues to echo through the decades and shape the broader culture’s ideas about UFOs. It’s sort of like witnessing the butterfly effect in action. If Vallée had only chosen a different office, none of this would ever have happened.

41 Comments

Jim

12/6/2018 10:55:06 am

Looks like Marzulli has completly abandoned his easily debunkable, ridiculous research into the elongated skulls in favor of non-testable nonsense.
Lesson learned, I guess.

Jockobadger

12/6/2018 02:31:53 pm

Thanks much for the article, Jason. I have a bit of a bone to pick with you though. I'll start by noting that there are ufo "believers" of every human stripe and to paint most or all of them with such a broad brush is neither fair, nor accurate. I, for example, am a well-educated scientist who has never been unemployed, nor have I made a habit of lying. I'm an ok husband and good dad. I consider myself to be relatively fair-minded, and I'm (almost) entirely sober. Yet I've witnessed something that I cannot account for, and believe me, I have tried. I'm not going to waste time describing it, but suffice to say it was not ANY of the usual suspects. Don't bother telling me what it might have been - because it wasn't.

I know for a fact that there are many people out there just like me. And just like me, they don't discuss this subject with others unless they know their audience very well. Further, I come to blogs like yours to hear other's experiences, thoughts, and speculation on what might be going on. Being primarily anonymous it allows us to do this without endangering our reputations!

I've read very widely on this subject, but I don't watch YT vids about it, nor do I attend conferences, because these seem to be havens for the worst of our species. In my experience, there is a quite small fraction of the UFO/UAP "believer" population that should be taken seriously. Some, like Vallee and Hynek, have written books on the subject that while speculative, are not just tripe. Vallee has obviously been in speculation mode when writing about the "control system" and the possible historical analogs for UFOs, among many other things. In general, he seems to believe that the presence of these things, modern and historical, along with consistent descriptions of their behavior, suggests that they're not simply "nuts and bolts" objects. Stated another way, he has suggested that there might be some sort of "paranormal" aspect to them.

It has been some time since time since I last read Vallee's work, and I don't recall any direct reference that matches your statement (in part) that Vallee "....endorsed the idea of interdimensional entities being mistaken for space aliens." Interdimensional suggests between dimensions? Is that right? I know there has been a lot of talk about this, but it doesn't make any real sense to me, at least right now, because we don't have a definition for "interdimensional." I'd be surprised if he used those exact words. Perhaps he did, but I'm not at all surprised that other folks would.

In any case, my position on Jacques Vallee specifically is: Who am I to question his speculative conclusions? His general rationale, that we do not understand this phenomenon, is absolutely correct. Do I believe that these UAP/whatever-it-was'es are demons? Nope! I'm agnostic on spiritual-type stuff because I simply don't have enough information, however, I do NOT believe in the mythical god/devil of the Judeo/Christian tradition - I DO have enough info on that, thanks.

Likewise, I'm agnostic on the origin of these things. I'm not a "believer." I know they exist because I've seen one. I also do not believe that the human race has figured out all aspects of this universe, as characters like Randi, Oberg, et al, would have us believe. I am not an absolutist materialist reductionist. There are simply to many odd things out there that we don't know enough about yet.

For the record, Marzulli, Lazar, you-know-the-names, and the UFO conference/AA/YT/contactee crowd are deluded, cultish, scared, and/or lying. They really poison the well for us.

Sorry his house burned down, but it was probably bought with ill-gotten gains anyway.

I'll put my flame-proof suit on.

Joe Scales

12/6/2018 03:10:24 pm

"Yet I've witnessed something that I cannot account for, and believe me, I have tried."

UFO's are simply phenomenon awaiting identification. The alien connotations are simply speculation. So it's not unusual for anyone to witness something they may not understand. You included. Now if you wanted to insist that it was alien in nature, whatever you experienced. Then yes, that would call for more evidence.

12/6/2018 05:01:03 pm

Nope. Not going to climb out on that alien limb. Yet. You're dead on about "awaiting identification" Joe.

I don't know wtf it was, but it was strange and it was similar to objects that many others have reported. Some of these people then suggest (without benefit of any evidence) that these things are, or contain, alien visitors. I still don't know what to make of it.

It's strange - it's something I think about often, but not obsessively. I've tried to convince myself it must be some sort of secret gubmint high tech gizmo, but do we now have control over gravity? Because that's what appeared to be going on.

I know those govt guys (and gals) can keep real big secrets secret, if they realllly want to e.g. Manhattan Project. Further, much of the super secret stuff likely isn't even being carried out in govt labs anymore - it's all black budget, stove-piped, compartmentalized and Skunk Worked. That's why FOIA is pretty much useless nowadays - "can't find what we don't have." Would it really be possible to keep something that earthshaking a secret? Considering human nature and all that?

Please excuse the rank foolishness. The last thing I want to sound like is a Deep Stater. I'm not, though Eisenhower was absolutely right about the MIC, wasn't he? Anyway, it appears to me that there is a profound, but remarkably well-disguised interest about this stuff on the part of the DOD and I sure as heck wonder why? Luis Elizondo, the van-dyked wiz of Tic-Tac fame, seems to me to be actually quite credible. He and his colleagues were allegedly tasked with figuring out what's invading our airspace, damn it? Luis' bosses seem to think something is - unless he's lying. I guess it could be the Russkies, or China, but I don't think so. Who do you folks think it is?

Or, is it all lies, delusions, deception, misinfo to hide other shenanigans, hallucinations, hysteria? By all means, Speculate!

Jim Davis

12/6/2018 04:28:23 pm

<i>Don't bother telling me what it might have been - because it wasn't.</i>

You're basically claiming that you can't be mistaken. It's hard to have any meaningful discussion on that basis.

12/6/2018 05:09:24 pm

Jim, I see what you mean and thanks for pointing it out. To clarify just a bit, I meant that whatever it was, I am convinced that it was not one of the usual prosaic misidentifications e.g. an airplane, heli, meteor, balloon, drone, bird, etc.

And, the fact is, I could have been mistaken. Of course that is true. I just wish that I could have recorded it somehow or even better that all of you folks had seen it too. It was weird....but also cool.

E.P. Grondine

12/7/2018 12:24:21 am

Hi Jocko -

As you know, you are not the only person who has seen unusual things. And you may not have been the only person who saw what you saw. What I usually suggest is filing a report with Mufon, in case someone is out there spinning from what they saw.

An Anonymous Nerd

12/7/2018 10:09:48 pm

[Yet I've witnessed something that I cannot account for, and believe me, I have tried. I'm not going to waste time describing it, but suffice to say it was not ANY of the usual suspects. Don't bother telling me what it might have been - because it wasn't.]

That last sentence is key. The first time I saw you mention this was in reply this post:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/george-knapp-christian-fundamentalists-in-the-pentagon-shut-down-government-paranormal-and-ufo-probes-due-to-demon-fears

wherein you asserted to have seen something like the "tictac" UFO. I refer you to the reply made by poster Geack, time-stamped 10/17/2018 02:07:30 pm. I'll quote in part.

[Imagine you found traces of an exotic mineral in a place where that mineral, geologically speaking, should not exist. The locals tell stories about gnomes that burrow into the hills and bury treasure. Would you therefore accept "gnomes" as the most likely explanation? Of course not. Even though there are gnome stories similar to yours from all over the world, and even some leprechaun sightings that line up nicely with what you've found, you would never think "gnomes did this" because there is exactly zero independent evidence suggesting that gnomes even exist. Something has to exist before it can be accepted as an explanation.]

The best you could do at the time was to respond by asserting that there are too many "gnome" sightings to ignore. This of course is not really a point, but a series of assumptions (all the sightings are genuine; all are part of the same phenomenon; no better explanation than "gnomes" can be found for any of them; etc.) packed into one sentence.

But, as I've pointed out to Scott Wolter, when you make these assumptions, each assumption in effect becomes a new hypothesis to prove independently. He can't, and neither can you.

And now you've reverted to, I'll quote you exactly again:

[Don't bother telling me what it might have been - because it wasn't.]

Again consider this in geology. Would you accept my confidently asserting that, say, the Bimini Wall was not a natural geological phenomenon but rather a sign of Atlantis in a similar manner? I sure hope not. And my confidently asserting it like you did here, or Marzuli or Wolter do, does not make it so.

-An Anonymous Nerd

12/8/2018 11:05:35 pm

Hey Anon, thanks for the reply. I’ll respond tomorrow - I’m beat tonight and need to think a bit on this.

Anyway - sleep well.

expat link

12/6/2018 05:23:31 pm

All the Ufologists and NASA-haters talk about anti-gravity as though it would be the magic carpet on which we could freely explore the galaxy. But what would an anti-gravity space mission be like? There would be no earth-shaking roar as mighty rocket engines come to life, no majestic rising of a rocket on a plume of smoke. Instead, somebody would throw a switch and the spacecraft would simply lose weight. They never say what energy source would achieve this little miracle, it just IS. So then the spacecraft would be free to rise vertically using virtually no propulsion at all—a squirt of monomethylhydrazine should do the job— until it was out of the atmosphere. It would not actually be in orbit—there would be no need for that. As a matter of fact, there's no particular reason to take a weightless spacecraft out of the atmosphere at all—all the benefits of zero-g could be had in the stratosphere, or even just staying on the ground. You could keep going upwards, of course, but in that case your lovely anti-gravity technology is a rapidly declining asset. The force of gravity is inversely proportional to the square of your distance from the center of the planet. By the time you reach the orbit of the ISS it's already declined by 10%, and at geosynchronous altitude, where the comsats are, it's 0.023g, so you're not getting much benefit from switching it off, are you?

American Cool "Disco" Dan

12/6/2018 05:29:51 pm

I think it's adorable that you think the Manhattan Project was kept secret.

12/7/2018 02:25:15 pm

Thank you Dan! And I'm delighted that you were thoughtful enough to take the time to reply to my comments in such a substantive way. Given that you are so clearly of superior intellect (you're not) I'm sure I speak for all of us here when I say that we appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

The Manhattan Project was clearly kept quite secret - at least from the great unwashed, which is precisely what I was trying to convey. Alas, that was lost on you I guess. Sorry.

Why don't you tell us what you really think about this subject, rather than make inane remarks? I'd actually really like to hear your thoughts on the matter. The water's fine!

Malcolm Nicholson link

12/6/2018 06:01:56 pm

According to Wikipedia, Hal Puthoff was into Scientology in the 60s and 70s

Priceless Defender

12/6/2018 06:20:08 pm

I know what JockoBadger is speaking of. All of the maneuvers can be explained with thrust vectoring except for one. That one maneuver leaves you with a coin flip. Either, it's military or, aliens.

Most of the alien photos going back decades are obviously stealth aircraft. A series of photographs deemed a hoax at the time, actually shows an early version of the craft seen over Mexico, which resembles the male end of the snap from a high school Letterman's jacket. The one I described as emanating a purple haze. I'm not speaking of the Jimi Hendrix song or the marijuana strain. Apparently excited ions giving off a purple glow.

I'm thinking the glow is caused by the three bulbs which appear under the early version of the craft. Similar to the three white bulbs surrounding the red bulb in the center on what's been called the TR3B.

I don't like talking about this too much just in case it is military. I would hate for anyone to glean secrets from careless talk.

Aliens seems like a better cover story than Hey, we brought some Nazis over from Germany after the war.

Uncle Ron

12/6/2018 09:23:01 pm

I am always amused by the "interdimensional" crowd. It's as though they think that some thing could exist in, say, dimensions 8, 9, and 10 just as we "exist" in 1, 2, and 3; and that that thing can "travel" into our dimensions. Higher dimensions, in the sense that the idea is used here, are simply mathematical constructs and I'll bet any money that none of these folks have the slightest idea how to do the math or what it means.

I'll be sure to let you know when I get my oscillation overthruster working.

12/6/2018 10:00:04 pm

Is it a "Phillips" oscillation overthruster? I have spare parts for sale.

12/7/2018 04:20:05 pm

Sorry, Mine's a Yoyodyne.

Machala

12/6/2018 09:55:57 pm

I would consider myself to be an open-minded skeptic when it comes to UFOS - and by extension, extraterrestrial life forms. However, the chance of eventually proving the existence of either, or proving the String Theory has a greater probability of happening than proving the existence of the Devil, Nephilim, God, or Angels.

I'm a healthy and happy agnostic theologically, but have experienced enough unexplainable things in my long life, not to be dismissive of the power of the human mind and imagination in conjuring up strange explanations for that which we don't understand.

While I respect everyone who wishes to participate in an organized religion, or believe in a non-traditional theology, I draw the line at giving one scentilla of recognition or respect to the self-aggrandizing, snake oil salesmen like Marzulli or Puthoff !

12/7/2018 01:48:00 pm

Actually, I can prove the existence of Nephilim to you. When it gets dark outside...Look up. They are stars.

Not trying to be sly, or come across as a jerk. At 6ft 2in tall, I am tired of being called "Nephilim". There are dudes way taller than me in our less than 1% of tall men on Earth. As far as I know, I am not a hybrid. : )

12/7/2018 08:28:12 pm

Jajaja ! I'm a mere 6'0 , 100 kilos shell of my former self but here in Ecuador and Peru, I can't exactly get lost in the crowd.

12/8/2018 12:13:51 pm

You know what it's like to be 3-24 inches taller than those around you. Consider me a kindred spirit. After two surgeries, I too am a shell of my former self. Be grateful you don't have to deal with "aliens did it" people calling you a "Nephilim" as they decry, "I've beaten up people bigger than you!" .Dude...I'm just trying to walk down the street. Before the show "Ancient Aliens" the Nephilim comments came at the library and bookstores. Now it comes from anyone who can afford cable.

I had a few friends in college from Peru. In fact, one of the most beautiful women, I have had the privilege to meet was from Peru. Lourdes. 20 plus years later, I am still smitten. I certainly considered emigrating at the time. : )

G Teixeira

12/7/2018 06:43:06 am

These UFOs are not aliens but demons crowd should not EVER read Arthur C Clarke's "Childhood's End" or see its miniseries.
They would feel like it was proof of their crazy idea...

Chip Brocky

12/7/2018 07:56:17 pm

Here’s a real treat for all UFO enthusiasts reading this. A great website. It’s thoroughly searchable. Just type in any of your ideas and you will be presented with solid information, actually, all the existing evidence regarding UFOs is discussed. This might help you all on your quest for thruth and knowledge.

Fair warning, reading this website colud lead to insight and severe loss of ignorance.

Dan

12/7/2018 11:18:38 pm

Hi, Jason.

As you can see, when you post your thoughts and analysis of the "UFO"-thing, you send up a flare that attracts some very interesting moths.

This is precisely the reason I am hoping that you will change nothing until you change everything.

I love what you post. But I love the precipitatate even more, when it comes to posts of this particular sort.

Highly educational and unique.

Loving this.

😊

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12/8/2018 04:52:28 am

12/8/2018 11:14:21 pm

Hey Dan - Good post. Seriously. Minor item - I believe it’s precipitate. Apologies for pedanticalifragilisticexpialidocious.

Badger

12/9/2018 08:04:23 pm

What!?

You've never heard of precipitaters?

They're the precipitate of taters.

Who doesn't love that?

12/9/2018 10:16:12 am

Dan,

When watching a craft avoid four other crafts by performing sharp right angle turns at Mach speeds, one considers thrust vectoring. When this same craft moving at extreme Mach speed suddenly REVERSES direction without the slightest pause...one considers fantastic explanations. If that is our military, I would love to go for a ride. I would like to find out how I'm not ripped apart by G forces.

12/9/2018 03:58:50 pm

So the obvious explanation is you're looking at an image, not a solid object. Similarly it's a well-known fact that a shadow can move faster than the speed of light.

But you've already declared that you've left* so you'll never read this. Pity.

* and we all know what THAT means.

12/9/2018 06:47:21 pm

I never left. I am just no longer acknowledging the existence of Google Boy. Epic waste of time and cyberspace.

I did answer your question about how, I lost that account. I told you, "I am not sure". I merely came to the defense of whom I considered Good People against obnoxious trolls.

As to your assertions about what I saw...No way, dude! I have admitted to considering fantastic explanations, however, I have never made alien claims. I believe my friends, and I witnessed a test flight. Whatever it was, I want to go for a ride.

12/9/2018 07:55:23 pm

Hi, ACDD.

Have you ever seen John Carpenter's "The Thing"?

Member-berries when they do the electrode-thing with the blood to discover who's the thing and the blood starts jumping around and screeching?

Please let's keep doing that to JockoBadger and Princess.

Their dedicated squirming and screeching yields nothing short of the best disco.

Love,

Dan

12/9/2018 10:48:24 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU

bezalel

12/10/2018 12:38:02 pm

PD, you're on the right track with non-alien explanations.
Some Sophomore Physics: Acceleration is not velocity. When a ball is thrown upward on the surface of earth, its trajectory is parabolic. When at its apex, in the infinitessimal limit, it reverses direction in an instant.

Throughout its entire path, the ball is only exposed to external earth field of 1g (again, near the earth) despite its velocity continually changing, even reversing.

Now extend this knowledge to higher and higher velocities. Yes, at some point tidal forces will take over and split the ball apart, but that takes a LOT at a small scale.

If you add ionization, small-scale dense matter and magnetism, combined with Einstein's Equivalence Principle (short story: when falling, one experiences exactly zero g forces even if the direction of "fall" changes mid trajectory), one can achieve SEEMINGLY fantastic motion, without deleterious biological effects. All your organs, bones, tissue, molecules "fall" at the same rate; same thing with the ship around you.

Now extend to junior level, senior level, grad level and post-grad physics. Each step is more in depth so you can't fully understand the rest of this in a week or a month; takes years. Can't be elucidated on a tiny blog either.

We (our defense orgs) have been playing with this for decades. We can control the direction of "fall" for small objects like ships.

Nothing extraterrestrial needed.
Just Physics
And really creative Engineering

12/10/2018 04:08:16 pm

Danny Boy!

Nice! Irt: "..squirming and screeching.."??

That's the best you can do? C'mon, Man! Why don't you try addressing the issues being discussed here instead?

Do love me some taters, though, so thanks for straightening that out.

Your Friend, The very interesting moth

12/10/2018 07:58:37 pm

@Bezalel:

You're talking shit and don't know math or physics. Your "sophomore physics" is calculus for high-schoolers. You are dismissed.

12/11/2018 02:35:21 pm

Hey Bezalel,

At the risk of sounding like I'm agreeing with ACDD, which I guess I sort of am, I have a minor bone to pick with you:

The thrown ball never actually "reverses" directions. As you noted, the path is a parabola, so no reversal required. I suppose one could quibble about a perfectly vertical path wherein the ball's velocity, under the influence of our tricky friend gravity, drops to zero, then accelerates in the opp direction? I am not a physicist nor do I play one on tv. Is that drop to zero the "infinitesimal limit" you referenced? I'd like to hear more about that actually.

Btw, absolutely no criticism intended - after all, I'm just a dumb geologist - ask either of the Dans, they'll tell you!

Perhaps ACDD would be good enough to elaborate? The furthest I got in math was diff/integ/finite element so don't beat me up too bad. Really am interested. Thanks

12/11/2018 03:30:56 pm

@Bezalel

I get what you're saying. I have considered various elements of your statement before. Basically, flipping the On/Off switch, then apply thrust to the desired direction.

There was not even the slightest hint of pause, when the craft reversed direction. The high Mach speeds of the other four craft, in apparent pursuit of the craft in question, looked slow by comparison.

The second coolest thing, I have had the privilege to witness.

12/11/2018 10:21:29 pm

@Jocko
It's good to ask questions, scientists like that; ask questions all the time, it's how we come to know.
The ball's velocity reverses direction the moment it reaches it's apex, no matter how steep or shallow the parabola.

Before apex, velocity is away from earth's surface ("positive" say). After, it is toward the earth ("negative"); all the while it's acceleration never changes.

Don't worry about ACDD, he is in no way qualified to assess physics or math, he hasn't been through it. He dismisses himself by feigning skepticism where he has no base knowledge or critical thinking skills relevant to the subject.

I know the math, I've been all the way through it. Physics was more important, though, math is just a tool. Mastering Field Theory is necessary to solve physical problems in the real world. ALso requires realizing that the gravitational field and the electromagnetic field are tensors, not vectors. We break them down into vectors. The mathematical rigor and elegance associated with Relativity are breathtaking, once understood.
Blah blah blah, we don't have room for math here though.

The moon is continuously "falling" toward earth too, but it's lateral velocity prevents it from getting any closer (except for the fact the orbit is not circular). Same thing with earth around the sun and sun around the galactic center. Throw a rock hard enough and it would go into orbit, "never" to return.

Things fall and orbit not because of forces, but because the space-time around them is warped/bent... like a bowling ball would warp a thin metal sheet if pressed upon it.

It is this warped space-time that allows for the phenomena in question that PD, you and many others witness. Relativity and Field Theory are not being violated, however.

The Equivalence Principle further explains these phenomena, and also why we don't "feel" any g-field when falling*. We feel it on impact, or when we are being pushed, like in an accelerating car or rocket.

If space time were warped enough 100 ft away, you and other loose objects would "fall" sideways toward it (or "fall" up if the field were 2X or more the earth's field and located above you).
And you wouldn't "feel" anything (no g-force), just like you don't feel a push or pull after you jump off a roof, except for incidental wind.

Imagine not feeling anything (g-force wise) while falling UP. There is no "push" or "pull" while you are falling. No g-force. ala Equivalence Principle.

ACDD will now be a good puke grad student and demonstrate this by driving off a cliff.

BTW, dense matter is a great way to warp space.
Vodka down

* excepting tidal forces, which only have impact with really large objects.

12/12/2018 01:45:39 am

@Bezalel

If, I am conceptualizing this right,
EUREKA!

I need to ditch my current handle. It was a hint never picked up upon. I have to admit, Priceless Defender sounds like a name brand for contraceptives. I shall return with my "Superhero Name".

Antonio Gamez link

12/10/2018 05:58:16 am

Jacques Vallee is the master of the UFO subject. His hypotheses are the closest they are to the truth.
Andrew Basiago, Gory Good, Steven Greer, Tom de Longue ... are fraud. They look for fame and money.

12/12/2018 09:49:13 pm

Hey Bezalel,

Thanks for the detailed reply. I truly wish I had an intuitive understanding of what the difference is between tensors and vectors (I get vectors from elementary physics, I think, but....) Anyway, I appreciate it very much. Just a dumb geologist.
J