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L. A. Marzulli Goes Full Lovecraft, Calls Watchers Interdimensional "Old Ones" Who Enter via "Gateways"

9/8/2016

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This week Nephilim-hunter L. A. Marzulli appeared on TradCatKnight radio, a podcast of “traditional Catholicism,” to discuss giants. He began, in typical fashion, by announcing his belief that we are in the middle of a “seed war” between the human descendants of Adam and Eve and the “seed” of the Serpent, i.e. Satan. This “seed” is the Nephilim, the evil giants who are waiting to destroy righteousness, just as they have been waiting since before Noah’s Flood. In other words, they’re not very good at it, but we should be afraid of them anyway, at least enough to give money to L. A. Marzulli for his books and videos about being afraid of the Nephilim.
Indeed, Marzulli spends quite a bit of time fear-mongering, warning that God continuously punishes those who associate with Nephilim or their kindred, such as the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, Nimrod at the Tower of Babel, etc. (Yes, I know he’s mixing and matching Biblical and extra-biblical legends since Nimrod is not named as the builder of the Tower in Genesis, but who expects consistency?)
 
I was especially struck that he has adopted Lovecraftian language in describing the Fallen Angels, referring to them as the Old Ones and alleging that the Tower of Babel was an attempt to let the Old Ones “back in,” presumably from the dimension where they are imprisoned, like Lovecraft’s Old Ones. Compare, for example, the famous Necronomicon passage in “The Dunwich Horror” which speaks of the Old Ones existing between dimensions and breaking trough into our reality. “What they’re trying to do,” Marzulli said of Babel, “is open up a gateway and that of course doesn’t succeed.” Granted, in the Enochian corpus (e.g. 1 Enoch 18:13-16) there is a prison of the Fallen Angels that seems to be beyond the stars (not just the one under the Earth), but Marzulli’s big thing was supposed to be that he uses the Bible to make his claims, not the apocryphal literature—or in this case ancient astronaut literature, which placed a “star gate” atop the Tower of Babel.
 
Marzulli devotes much of the interview to repeating the greatest hits of gigantology, continuing to misrepresent Paiute mythology as referring to cannibal giants (it’s a modern interpolation), and he fails to recognize biblical influence on colonial and post-colonial recordings of Native American myths, assuming them to be proof that the Bible’s stories were universal and true. Logically, even if the stories were identical, they might be universal, but that doesn’t make them true. Everyone on Earth could believe a lie and it would still be untrue.
 
But why drag this out longer than it needs to be? Here is Marzulli talking about someone who I suspect is meant to be me or Carl Feagans of A Hot Cup of Joe, or perhaps a conflation of both:
​You’re always going to have the trolls and the skeptics, and no matter how much evidence you show these people—I mean, there’s this one guy, and I’m not even going to mention the guy’s name again and give him the platform, but he’s just a little weasel of a man. He’s a little weasel of a guy. And he writes these nasty hit pieces on me and other people. He’s an atheist, anti-supernaturalist. And no matter how much evidence I show this guy, he’s never going to believe it, and that’s OK. I mean, look, we have real DNA evidence we took on some of the artifacts we discovered, and he’s never looked at that but he’s so sure he knows everything about it. And for those people, I could care less, because all you want to do is get in a shouting match. You’re just a troll. You’re not looking at the evidence, and no matter how much evidence I show you, you’ll negate it.
Marzulli became quite irate recounting a conversation on a radio show that he had with “some skeptic kid” who criticized Marzulli’s evidence as underwhelming and possibly the result of photo manipulation software. (I have no idea whom he is referring to.) Marzulli said that he took it as a personal attack on his integrity, arguing that because he “contributed $1,000” for research expenses, that precluded the possibility of mistakes or fraud. Marzulli claims that those who criticize him do so because they are materialists who refuse to “change their worldview” based on old newspaper accounts and supposed photographs of “giant” bones.
 
Marzulli also discussed the Kandahar Giant claim, adding nothing new, and he rehashes his involvement with the canceled History Channel series Search for the Lost Giants. He alleges that an unknown group has removed photographs of giant bones from the archives on Catalina Island in order to suppress evidence of the bones of giants supposedly found there. “I’m not making this stuff up,” Marzulli said, correctly noting that he is not making up ideas but rather uncritically accepting whatever someone says to him, so long as it supports his narrative.
 
To this Marzulli adds that movies like Wrath of the Titans and The BFG (Big Friendly Giant) are designed to fool people into abandoning Biblical truth in order to convince the public to accept the ancient astronaut theory. Marzulli claims that government agents have confessed to him that they work with space aliens. He states that he believes that the Fallen Angels will disguise themselves as space aliens in order to act as the Ascended Masters (as the host suggests) of Theosophy and proclaim a false golden age. That seems rather convoluted to me, frankly. But both Marzulli and the host agree that the world will soon enter a period of hell on Earth when our political and economic systems collapse.  “We’re rapidly moving toward some sort of climax,” he said.
 
Marzulli adds that he believes that skeletons of the Cyclops will be found soon--elephant skulls be damned—and he claims that the NAGPRA law in the United States is used to hide non-Native American skeletons of Fallen Angels, Nephilim, and lost white races. Marzulli—crucially--admits here that the DNA tests he recently championed as “proving” that Peruvian elongated skulls belonged to Middle Easterners are “not conclusive by any means.” In other words, he concedes that the “weasels” who criticized his DNA results were actually right in the first place. He then immediately backtracks and says that the DNA “is pointing” to Nephilim “manipulating the human genome.”
 
I’m not entirely sure how these technologically advanced super-Nephilim square with Bigfoot. “Is Sasquatch Nephilim? We think so. … Is Sasquatch interdimensional. Quite possibly.” Apparently the Fallen Angels are super-scientists, and in their genius, they birthed a raced of crude, lumbering idiots. These are certainly not the Nephilim of Genesis 6:4—the “mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” These are slavering, shambling horrors.
 
The host of the show correctly notes that Nephilim theories, ancient astronaut theories, Theosophy, interdimensional monsters, and fringe history are all closely related, but he incorrectly assumes that Satanic Nephilim are at the root of it. As Marzulli himself concedes, he and his fellow Nephilim believers can see but through a glass darkly (1 Cor. 13:12). Their eyes are blinded by their own Nephilim obsession.
27 Comments
Andy White
9/8/2016 10:50:54 am

Weasel.

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Scott Hamilton
9/8/2016 11:05:21 am

How on earth could he know that any particular skeleton, let alone cyclops, will be found soon? That's not Biblical, I 'm pretty sure cyclops are ever mentioned.

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Andy White
9/8/2016 11:17:29 am

He probably is wishfully interpreting the broad agreement among ancient Near Eastern/Mediterranean texts (i.e., Hesiod's Ages of Man, the Old Testament, Enoch, Gilgamesh) literally: they all describe quasi-supernatural gigantic beings that existed way back when, so they're probably all more or less accurate.

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A C
9/8/2016 11:28:47 am

The 'elephant skulls' theory should be treated more as conjecture, since a lot of the definite evidence for the interaction between Greek beliefs in giants and fossil elephant bones are attached to heroes and Gigantes which are not Cyclopean (and Cyclopean masonry isn't associated with fossil rich regions). None of the ancient sources I've seen quoted on this topic actually mention the discovery of complete skulls. Its either limb bones or jaw fragments.

Its certainly plausible that someone was inspired by an elephant skull, but that doesn't explain the one legged men, three headed dogs or hundred handed giants or the chest in face people who are just "delete or multiply anatomical features" monsters. The skull theory is a lot more plausible than the Protoceratops Gryphon but it just suffers from being completely unnecessary.

One would want to see an actual survey of how often complete elephant skulls pop up in fossil beds before one can say "they probably saw an intact elephant skull".

While the Cyclops and Nephilim are both associated with megaliths in the typical way (also applied to Roman ruins in England), the Bible mostly just uses the Nephilim to demonise the Canaanite/Ugaritic Rephaim ancestor cult, which has nothing to do with fossils and potentially has roots going back to the neolithic.

But what demonising your enemies is a lot more sympathetic when you're a pastoral people fighting for survival in the no-man's land between the world's big empires compared to when you're sitting safely in the world's last super power and obsessively trying to recreate the mentality.

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Andy White
9/8/2016 11:47:12 am

I think of it as kind of a "chicken and egg" issue. While we can't say for sure that an elephant skull was the inspiration for the cyclops, we do have many historical accounts of people explaining the remains of large, extinct animals to fit within their worldview (which in many cases included ancient giants). And it's still happening today. The remains of megafauna (routinely exposed by erosion or digging because they're in unconsolidated sediments) would have been explained somehow in the past as well.

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Jason Colavito link
9/8/2016 11:55:55 am

Exactly. I know full well that the cyclops = elephant conjecture is a hypothesis, but the point is that Marzulli doesn't consider alternatives. Personally, I think that Othenio Abel (who proposed the connection) overstepped the evidence, but there isn't a way to prove what "really" happened one way or another. However, it is probably the case that bones identified as those of cyclopes were really megafauna bones, so regardless of whether the myth came first, the "skeletons" are almost certainly not those of Cyclopes or Bible Giants.

Only Me
9/8/2016 11:36:12 am

Marzulli demonstrates why no matter how much "evidence" he collects, skeptics will not accept it:

when his evidence is wrong, it must be due to the very forces the evidence was supposed to prove was real. That then becomes evidence which means Marzulli was right all along.

Hey, Marzulli! That's called unfalsifiability, which isn't much better than inconclusive.

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Graffitibird
9/9/2016 09:40:51 am

How dare you contradict him, Only Me! He told you he spent $1000 for his research!

And while, I'm at it, it makes me NUTS when someone who identifies as a Christian - no make that a Super-Duper Christian - starts name-calling and vilifying others.

Although I might just start using "Anti-Supernaturalist" - that will temporarily confound my sparring partner and it has a nice ring to it.

Have a blessed day, y'all!! ;-)

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Day Late and Dollar Short
9/8/2016 12:06:54 pm

The painting of the Kandahar Giant in that Youtube video is pretty priceless.

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DaveR
9/8/2016 12:55:30 pm

It's downright hilarious.

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crainey
9/8/2016 04:23:49 pm

I'd like to see it on black velvet!

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Jim
9/8/2016 04:28:19 pm

Especially if they could replace the giant with Elvis !

Kathleen
9/8/2016 05:16:57 pm

Substitute a Matador and card playing dogs for the soldiers

Kal
9/8/2016 12:12:56 pm

Funny that Marz seems to want his believers to think his stuff makes sense, for a fee, and they have to buy it and not criticize him. His stuff doesn't make sense, he's making it up, or borrowing it from somewhere else, and reporting it as though he has true knowledge or secret knowledge of his alleged discovery. It's not a discovery. If anyone follows him it will be as PT Barnum said (allegedly), 'There's a sucker born every minute', and as crazy despot Hitler said in My Struggle, (Mein Kompft) said, 'If you want to make someone believe a lie, repeat it.'

History is replete with charlatans and snake oil peddlers.

It's most funny when they borrow from like minded (in their view) science fiction like Lovecraft.

The BFG was based on a children's book and had nothing to to with the Nephilim. It was also not a very good movie.

Giant humanoids cannot happen unless the law of averages is wrong, which the fringe thinks, of science is just wrong and it does.

It's fun to speculate like on Robotech or Attack on Titan, or early classics like Gulliver's Travels, (which inspired BFG), or evewn farther back myths.

Nobody should want to pay money to see this Marz fellow go on about it. If they do, well, there's no convincing them.

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Shane Sullivan
9/8/2016 12:37:44 pm

"Yes, I know he’s mixing and matching Biblical and extra-biblical legends since Nimrod is not named as the builder of the Tower in Genesis, but who expects consistency?"

Apparently he's "catholic" in the literal, lower-case sense.

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Slappy White
9/8/2016 05:51:44 pm

This stuff is par for the course in fundie circles. Cris Putnam and Tom Horn- who are associated with Marzulli-put out a plethora of books and videos like this. The most notable is called On the Path of the Immortals which talks about "strategic locations where entities await the appointed time"..same stuff Marzulli is selling. Putnam and Horn also wrote a book title Exo Vaticana, all about how the Vatican is going to welcome UFOs and aliens and proclaim them gods. They're a bizarre duo.

https://prophecywatchers.com/

http://www.logosapologia.org/

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Kathleen
9/8/2016 06:22:11 pm

I wanted to know a bit more about the TradCatKnight radio host, Eric Gajewski, and this guy sounds like a real pip. Novus Ordo Watch, a sedevacantist Traditionalist Catholic group, has produced an exposé of this gentleman.
http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/tradcatknight-deception.htm
Folk who think that the last true Pope died in 1958 think this guy is off the rails. The shenanigans of TradCatKnights, the "Great Monarch of Catholic prophecy" and the “Catholic Military Order of the Eagle” are off topic for this blog, but I thought it was interesting to find out about who Marzulli was associating.

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Templar Secrets
9/8/2016 08:44:37 pm

>>sedevacantist Traditionalist Catholic<<

Sodomy is their speciality.

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Templar Secrets
9/8/2016 08:56:53 pm

>>Eric Gajewski<<

Freemasonry is a Satanic Cult.
There we go.

Heidi link
9/12/2016 12:56:00 am

Forgive the Masons for playing loose with their own growth or for playing loose with the history of science? Both objections I've just noted, following your nod of reference to old character smears, are fundamentally different positions. Masonic organizations are limited by their own TELEOLOGICAL definitions. They ARE solipsistic and can't avoid it. No Christian denomination can avoid the charge of anti-semitism for much the same reason. This is only one angle on Wittgenstein but as always, the answer is plead the 5th or remain silent, which goes to show, how culpable the Masons actually are. Period. They never could excuse INVASIONS of privacy in the ABSENCE of cannon law. Guilty Then? Or now?

Clint Knapp
9/8/2016 06:33:14 pm

" Apparently the Fallen Angels are super-scientists, and in their genius, they birthed a raced of crude, lumbering idiots."

Perhaps Sasquatch being a relatively modern phenomenon points toward this being the equivalent of the Iron Age of Man for the Nephilim!

Sure, ONCE, they were great men of reknown, but now they're hairy rock-throwing jerks who live in the forest. This decline would also help us understand just why they're so bad at this whole wiping-out-humanity thing. Once upon a time they might have eaten men alive at public sodomy parties and induced fear in all who witnessed them, but now they're just kind of dumb and reduced to making scary sounds in the woods.

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Templar Secrets
9/8/2016 08:47:39 pm

I blame it all on those who invented and created the Nephilim in the first place - without them, there would be nothing.

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Templar Secrets
9/8/2016 08:52:00 pm

That the Nephilim were originally metaphors for the enemies of the Jews is borne out by Numbers 13:33

Jim
9/8/2016 09:52:31 pm

Holy fooking crap on a cracker, is that giant making the "M" sign with his fingers ?

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S D O
9/8/2016 10:10:58 pm

Sure looks like it. And I think there is a Hooked_X made by his toes :)

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Kathleen
9/8/2016 11:00:45 pm

Hell's bells! Is there no escape??!!

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Heidi link
9/12/2016 12:39:31 am

Surely the podcast you speak of aired in Massachusetts during the immaculate IN-CONception of Romneycare? Let's truly speak about pots and kettles and "Fringe" history...and not "tidy up" RANDOM LOOSE CHANGE as if pennies, nickles and dimes ADD UP.

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