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L. A. Marzulli Goes on Bizarre Rant about Why Fear of the "Gay Agenda" Does Not Make Him Homophobic

1/27/2017

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Almost everyone reading this knows L. A. Marzulli as the Nephilim conspiracy theorist who travels the world making evangelical DVDs about a lost race of Bible giants. Most also know that he does so in service of a radical conservative agenda, and that Marzulli is an outspoken supporter of Donald Trump. It makes sense. Like Trump, Marzulli lives in his own fantasy world of “alternative facts,” and like Trump he has difficulty getting past issues long after they have become moot. Yesterday Marzulli used his online Nephilim TV show, Politics, Prophecy & the Supernatural Report to revisit an obsession he has been harboring since last fall: Hillary Clinton’s long-ago claim that many Trump supporters were “a basket of deplorables.” Marzulli devoted half of the show to one specific issue, namely that he is homophobic. His self-refuting response must be seen to be believed. Let’s take a look (transcript below) and then break it down.
​Under the Obama Administration, the White House was lit up with rainbow colors, when the Supreme Court, by judicial fiat, by the way, decided that gay marriage would become the law of the land. That’s called judicial fiat. That’s no… That’s not a democratic process. Congress had nothing to do with it. The American people had nothing to do with it. Nine Supreme Court Justices just get together and go, “Well, we’ll just change the history of the last two thousand years of Western culture and we’ll just say gay marriage is OK.” Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. So anyone who goes against that, according to Miss (sic) Clinton, anyone who would say anything against that is somehow homophobic. Hmm. Anyone who goes against the transgender bathroom policies set by Barack Hussein Obama is somehow homophobic.

Look, folks, there are millions of Americans who look at all this and go, ‘You know what, I understand, if that’s your, um, uh, sexual persuasion, then you go for it, but don’t ram it down my throat, and don’t try to tell me that this is marriage, because this is, unlike the Obama Administration used to say, it is a Christian nation and the tenets of Christianity are found in our Declaration of Independence. The tents of Christianity are reflected in the myriad of steeples from Maine to California because there are churches in this country and millions and millions of us go to those churches. I realize that the country is incredibly divided right now, and this is why in Washington this weekend you had this woman’s march. The problem is that there are no core values. They stand up and rave and rant about abortion and a woman’s right to kill her baby. OK, fine, if that’s … but there are no core values. Whereas, the conservative, the Tea Party movement, we have core values, and one of them is, we look at the homosexual agenda and we say “No!”  We don’t believe for an instant that a six-year-old first grader needs to know about transgender bathrooms. They don’t need to know about it! And of course if you stand up and say something about that, somehow you’re homophobic. If we stand up and say “We don’t believe in gay marriage,” oop, you’re homophobic. If you say, maybe we shouldn’t have all these gay parades, because what they do in these gay parades—I mean, if you’ve actually seen clips of some of these things, I mean it’s beyond the pale, you know, it’s beyond the pale.

​Look, it’s… I get it. There are gay people among us. But what is the percentage? Two percent, three percent? Why is three percent of the population dictating to the rest of us? Why is less than one percent who is supposedly transgender—and by the way the American Medical Association has come out basically stating that the whole idea of transgenderism and cutting off body parts and pumping many (?) women with different hormones than they originally intended, were intended for, is barbaric. I mean, it’s a form of child abuse, and I certainly concur with that. So, look, if I stand up and I say don’t believe in gay marriage, that’s not homophobic. I’m speaking from my core values. What about my core values? What about the six-year-old child who has to have a boy who thinks he’s a girl come into the restroom? What about her rights? See where all this is going? The country is incredibly divided. But for Hillary Clinton to stand up and call us homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, and racist and sexist, is in my opinion beyond the pale.
​The first thing that stands out is that Marzulli has conflated a number of different issues under the rubric of homosexuality, including gay marriage, transgender rights, and somehow also abortion. At each stage, Marzulli frames his argument in terms of his own personal discomfort with penises. He is terrified of them. He hates seeing them, he hates thinking about them, and he hates the idea that other men’s penises possess phallic power that is not controlled by his God. Notice that in each case, he assumes that perverse and perverted males, operating on animal lust, are violating the sanctity of virginal girls, stripping from them their womanhood and even convincing them to chop off their breasts and become men. This is the language of moral panic, but it is hardly a reasoned argument.
 
More telling still is Marzulli’s insistence that he is not homophobic simply because he would allow gay people to exist. He believes that gays should be denied marriage rights, denied equality under the law, and should subjected to whatever punishment and humiliation the majority deems fit, but so long as he does not call for outright genocide (unlike his close colleague Steve Quayle, who has all but done so), he isn’t being homophobic. Yet with every word he is literally expressing his fear of gays, the actual definition of homophobia.
 
Marzulli’s arguments make use of so-called “alternative facts.” The first is the propaganda claim the churches are by definition opposed to gay rights. This is not the case. Churches that accept and welcome LGBTQ individuals can be found among the Episcopal, Baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, United Church of Christ, Methodist, and Mennonite (!) denominations. Beyond Christianity, Unitarian Universalists and Reform Judaism are similarly welcoming. Many perform gay marriages in the name of the very Christ Marzulli holds for his own God. It is simply not true that Christians are by definition opposed to gay rights and to gay marriage.
 
He is also dead wrong that the Declaration of Independence is a Christian document and therefore evidence against accepting gay rights. The Declaration makes no mention of homosexuality, though if one wishes to be snarky about it, perhaps the “pursuit of happiness” would cover that. More importantly, it is not a Christian document. It speaks of the “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God,” but these words came from Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, and referred to the concept of natural law. Here is where things get tricky. Natural law is notoriously hard to define. The laws of nature, in theory, are universal, so by studying human nature, philosophers believed, they could determine those laws that were natural and universal. This is related to, but not identical with, the idea of natural rights. And all of this suffers complication from the fact that few behaviors are truly universal. Homosexuality occurs in all times and places, and therefore would seem to be universal and therefore a natural right on such grounds.
 
But few philosophers until the modern era would have allowed such obvious logic, particularly since the claim to natural law based on direct observation would also naturalize obviously universal but unwelcome behaviors. Instead, natural law philosophy has tried to move from describing what is to imposing meaning through alleging what ought to be. In other words, even if you are following nature, you can still be doing it wrong if powerful people disagree. The tradition has been to assume that the presumed function of a sexual organ dictates its normative operation; in other words, if a penis can be used for sexual reproduction in the state of nature, then it ought to be used for it—and nothing more. This was Thomas Aquinas’ argument, for example, though the fact that tongues can be used to eat and to speak suggests that alleging a single correct purpose is a flawed argument for “natural.”
 
A subtler view, one Marzulli seems to echo, comes from Australian lawyer John Finnis, who argued in a 1995 essay in the Notre Dame Journal of Law, Ethics, and Public Policy that natural law allows suppression of gay rights to protect children from inferior marriages that lack some mystical level of divine “communion” and because gay sex can’t produce perfect marital pleasure, in essence, due to the fact that the partners do not orgasm simultaneously. I assume most female readers are laughing heavily at that claim. (Finnis used more formal language, but it was his intended meaning.) In all cases, however, the grounding is a fear that individuals might be secretly experiencing pleasure without the consent or authority of the state or church, a supposedly “universal” fear that the Greeks and Romans would have laughed into its grave.
 
Ultimately, such arguments dress up in fancy language and flawed claims to “naturalness” an underlying bedrock issue: control. And here Marzulli’s own desire for control shows through. Notice the way that he frames the issue of homosexuality by mixing it up with transgenderism, transgender bathroom rights, and even abortion. In every case, the bedrock problem is the same: individuals who do not conform to Marzulli’s image of the straight, white male ideal want to exercises control over their own bodies and their own lives, and in each case Marzulli wants to tell them that they are wrong to do so because it moves the locus of control from sources of received authority that privilege him toward the individual. If individuals are free to have sex with whom they want, to embrace the gender identity that fits them, to choose which bathroom to use, or even to decide when and whether they give birth, then they are free. And free from the church and the state and the angry guardians of virtue who don’t want others to be free. There are, of course, legitimate and even logical arguments to be made against gay marriage, transgender bathrooms, and especially abortion, but when presented collectively and absent reason, we can only conclude that fear of losing control underlies the claim, not a serious consideration of facts, evidence, and logic.
 
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Marzulli, who praises the Declaration of Independence, cares nothing for its promise of freedom. “What about my core values?” Marzulli asks. He answered his own question when he noted how few gay people there are in America, and how he has gone his entire life knowing gay people only from what he saw in “clips” on TV. Recognizing the rights of others does not curtail those of anyone else. Gay marriage does not force Marzulli to marry a man. It will not make his children gay. Interracial marriage, imposed by the same “judicial fiat” as gay marriage, did not require Marzulli to marry a black woman. Marzulli can happily live his life without ever attending a gay wedding, cruise, or parade. But his vision of America would deny rights to all who are different from him. That does take away rights, which is why his view and vision are wrong.
 
When Marzulli and Steve Quayle endorsed each other’s work and teamed up to raised money together in Peru, did he stop to think about Quayle’s arguments, which he has himself echoed, that the Nephilim were gay cannibals who introduced homosexuality into the human gene pool? Quayle wants these gay Nephilim descendants wiped out, citing God’s endorsement of genocide as precedent. What would Marzulli do? We have an answer to that: Five years ago, when Marzulli wasn’t yet the Trump-worshipping extremist he is today, he said that gay people shouldn’t be imprisoned or killed. Instead, they should be converted to heterosexuality through the power of prayer, because, as he said still earlier, homosexuality isn’t “real” but rather is a Satanic “sexual addiction” caused by demonic possession. And since we know that demons are actually the spirits of the Nephilim who died in the Flood, I guess Marzulli and Quayle aren’t that far apart. Marzulli simply believes gays are possessed by Nephilim, while Quayle claims that they are physically Nephilim.
15 Comments
Only Me
1/27/2017 11:55:16 am

Perhaps Clinton's remark struck a little too close to the mark? I'm thinking that's why Marzulli's ass is still puckered.

The rest of us "deplorables" laughed it off and went our merry way. Then again, we also aren't trying to bilk money from the gullible through DVDs loaded with bullshit, either.

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V
1/27/2017 01:55:14 pm

There ARE "a basket full of deplorables" who support Trump. He seems to be trying to get most of them into cabinet and judicial positions.

Pretty sure most of us would agree that KKK, white supremacists, and neo-Nazis all belong in that "deplorables" basket, too.

Not saying that ALL Trump supporters are in that basket--just saying that you're probably right and Marzulli IS.

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Your mama fag
9/8/2018 01:56:59 am

Actually you lily white honky fags are Nazis libfaggots wearing Nazi uniforms while you fist eachother

Tom
1/27/2017 01:03:54 pm

More tantrums from an infantile fringer.

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DaveR
1/27/2017 01:49:26 pm

Actually two men having sexual intercourse could orgasm at the same time. Perhaps even more easily than a man and woman.

That being said, it's perfectly clear that Marzulli is exactly what he claims he is not, namely homophobic. Perhaps he doesn't fear homosexuals, but he certainly wants to legally surprise the rights of homosexuals.

A major problem he has is that his "core values" are about suppressing individual freedoms. He clearly has no idea what transgender people face on a daily basis, and I doubt he cares to learn. Which is why he so easily equates transgender people using the bathrooms that align with their gender identities with perverts and pedophiles.

Basically he's gone on a homophobic rambling rant claiming to not be homophobic. It would be laughably comical if Trump were not president.

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A Buddhist
1/27/2017 01:59:36 pm

There is a fascinating conversation that could be had about the relationship between despotism and homophobia, but homophobes are not likely to want to have it, since it would reveal the link between political tyranny and sexual repression. For example, several Greek Poleis prohibited homosexuality while ruled by tyrants because the tyrants feared that bonds of love between men that developed outside of state control might challenge their own power. Indeed, this happened in Athens, when Hipparchus was assassinated by Harmodius and Aristogiton, who escalated a familial insult into a conspiracy to murder the tyrant (or Tyrant's brother, according to Thucydides).

Conversely, there has been a greater tolerance within republics for homosexuality. France, for example, decriminalized homosexuality during the French revolution. And the democracy of Thebes, rather than shunning homosexuality in the army, institutionalized a system in which lovers were elite troops.

And yet the people who oppose homosexuality often claim to represent American Values (tm). So even as they often distort the role of religion in American Values (tm), only a very few of them are willing to distort American Values (tm) to exclude democratic or republican ideals. If they were more willing to oppose democratic or republican ideals explicitly, then they would probably be even more eager than I am to point out the historical link between sexual and political tolerance.

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Clete
1/27/2017 02:15:09 pm

You don't have to hang from a tree to be a nut....or be elected President.

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V
1/27/2017 02:20:25 pm

I love how "two to three percent" of the nation shouldn't be dictating to the other 97-98%--unless it's rich old white men, who are only a portion (albeit a large portion) of the 1%.

That's right, Marzulli. The members of Congress are WEALTHY. They can't get there if they aren't. TRUMP is wealthy. The wealthy are a tiny portion of this nation, making alllll the decisions for you and everyone else int he country.

Basic math says 2-3% > 1%. If you're going to base it off of numbers that way, the rich old white men should be yielding to the LBGTQ population. (By the way, the percentage is closer to 4%--of those who actually identify as LBGTQ. The actual percentage, perforce, is higher, since there is still real physical danger in self-identifying as LBGTQ.) Not to mention that at last poll, according to Pew, 55% of Americans support gay rights--including 58% of Catholics and 64% of mainline Protestants. Yup. LOTS of Christians. LOTS of people who go to churches every week.

Math is obviously not Marzulli's strong point. Nor is Google. I mean, he can't even get what the AMA says right: Our AMA: (1) recognizes that medical and surgical treatments for gender dysphoria, as determined by shared decision making between the patient and physician, are medically necessary as outlined by generally-accepted standards of medical and surgical practice; and (2) will advocate for federal, state, and local policies to provide medically necessary care for gender dysphoria. (Clarification of Medical Necessity for Treatment of Gender Dysphoria H-185.927, https://searchpf.ama-assn.org/SearchML/searchDetails.action?uri=%2FAMADoc%2FHOD-185.927.xml)

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DaveR
1/27/2017 03:02:00 pm

Marzulli is part of the fringe so petty things like facts and evidence don't concern him.

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Kathleen
1/27/2017 04:30:44 pm

Those with moral cores have trouble understanding that a true and completely valid marriage in the United States doesn't require sanctions or sanctifications from any religious source. An example of conflict is the fact that the Roman Catholic Church thinks that I'm still married to my ex-husband , but the government is unlikely to allow me to tap into his Social Security benefits. They know that my husband is the guy that I married in the courthouse. And if procreation is the motivation for marriage, childless couples should be receiving annulments after a few years. The only code that I think should apply to a citizen is the Golden Rule.

And yes, hearty laughter. Simultaneous orgasm should top the charts of unnatural activities

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Riley V
1/27/2017 05:55:46 pm

Notice how Marzulli complain about things being "Crammed down my throat" quite frequently? I think it may be a slip, revealing their true fear/wish.

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Graham
1/28/2017 01:06:41 am

Marzuli's rant reminds me of a pro-Palestinian activist I confronted over the t-shirt he was wearing had a home-made slogan on it calling for Jews to be burned alive.

He actually tried to argue that putting 'Israeli' in front of the word 'Jew' as he had done transformed it from an anti-semetic statement to a legitimate political one.

When that didn't work he got nasty...

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Brian
1/31/2017 10:54:34 am

We can make all the elegant, logical, reasonable arguments we want, but they don't matter except to ourselves, because these people have no capacity to reason about their fears and hates. An argument can't make it past their screaming defenses. And these are the very people who have helped to give us an uneducated, or mis-educated, population and thus make it possible for this crap thinking to gain positions of power throughout our governments.

It would be lovely if people could examine their convictions, but we're basically just primates who learned to talk so they could tell themselves how wonderful they are.

I strive my best to be a reasonable and reasoning person. But sometimes I just want to grab heads and slam them into walls.

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Tara Jordan
2/3/2017 03:36:59 am

This is precisely why I ended my activity on this blog.Jason,you cannot stop yourself at politicizing the issues.There is always this ridiculous childish Left versus Right,democrats versus Republicans antagonism.Still reading this blog from time to time,but its always disappointing when you bring these hypocritical moral and ethical stances.

I am going to ask you a very simple question Jason,Do you honestly think that right wingers or Republicans represent the epiphany of all evils?.You denounce racism,bigotry and discrimination from the right,but what about the Left despicable paternalism (racism in disguise) towards sexual and ethnic minorities?.The world is outraged at Donald Trump and his lunatic ban on Muslims,but we don't hear the same type of lachrymose for the industrial butchering of Muslims,at the hand of the Obama administration (courtesy of his drones politics).Double standard anyone.....

You see Jason, you are quick at denouncing and exposing the xenophobia and homophobia that are rampant on the right,and the lunacy that makes you "good thinking leftists" cringe,but what about denouncing the sociopathy and psychopathy in your midst?.Why don't you apply the same ethical standards to individuals like Hillary (a pathological liar) and Madeleine Albright (a genocidal scumbag).One was famous for making the following statement about the death of Gaddafi,"we came,we saw, he died...). Albright,notoriously claimed that "the death of half a million Iraqi kids was justified...I am going to repeat myself,but there is absolutely no difference between the Republican and the Democrat foreign policies agenda.The invasions of foreign countries,the butchering is done in the name of national security/national interests. What is remarkable with you Americans,is that you always have the best justifications for committing the worst atrocities.

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Kathleen
2/3/2017 01:18:09 pm

I think the point of the post was a discussion of Marzulli's broadcast "Politics, Prophecy and the Supernatural". When these folk embrace politics, that can be a reason for it's inclusion here. The fringe beliefs are accepted as fact by many people, including politicians. Participants who come here feel fringe claims deserve to have logic, critical thinking and science applied those claims. No one is spared when they make unfounded claims, left, right or center.

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