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L. A. Marzulli Holds Live Stream Symposium to Reveal Elongated Skull DNA Results [UPDATED WITH RESULTS]

2/3/2018

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​Late yesterday, Nephilim theorist L. A. Marzulli held a live global symposium in Los Angeles in which he and a team of misfits presented the results of DNA tests they conducted on an elongated skull from Paracas, Peru. Yes, regular readers will remember that Marzulli already conducted DNA tests on a similar skull and released them as part of the Watchers DVD line. The difference is that this time he released the results via a four-hour pay-per-view $9.99 online live stream, with a DVD and companion book available for purchase. Probably the best part of the farce was Marzulli’s admission that they put together the whole event and all of the supplementary materials before they even had the DNA results.
​I may be willing to sit through any amount of boredom, but one thing I won’t do is spend good money to listen to amateurs and true believers rant. I did not spend money to live stream Marzulli’s event. Only after it ended did I discover that MUFON apparently didn’t get the memo about charging $10 per view and had made it available for free. They promised to have a recording of the video up for 24 hours of free viewing on Sunday.
 
And it’s a good thing I didn’t pay. According to comments posted on Marzulli’s Facebook page, the live stream suffered from massive technical difficulties. The video, which viewers described as resembling cheap webcam footage, was down for some of the broadcast and choppy for the rest, and the audio was inaudible for long portions of the four-hour event. Many viewers reported being extremely disappointed, but as of Saturday morning Marzulli had not said a word about the failed broadcast nor the DNA results that no one actually heard him reveal.
If word does get out about what, if anything, they said, I will update this post over the weekend.
 
Before it even began, there were already serious questions about the DNA results. Marzulli’s previous efforts to test the DNA of an elongated skull came under withering criticism because of poor collection methods, which Marzulli helpfully documented on video, showing clearly the many ways that his poor protocol left the door open for contamination. There was little guarantee that the new results would not suffer from equally problematic protocols. In both cases, Marzulli trumpeted the discovery of “European” DNA, which he took to be evidence of the diffusion of Bible Giants to South America, but which more likely represented contamination from the Euro-American researchers sampling the DNA.
 
Marzulli’s research team also did not inspire confidence. According to his promotional materials, his presenters included:

  • Brien Foerster, all-around fringe believer who has made unusual claims about elongated skulls for decades and has advocated for hyperdiffusion, space aliens, and Bible Giants as the winds of profit have blown across his expatriate home in South America. He’s a frequent History Channel and Travel Channel talking head. According to his official biography, he holds only a bachelor’s degree and works as a sculptor and tour guide, but Marzulli describes him as a “biologist.” Amazing how fringe titles keep inflating.
  • Richard Shaw, Nephilim theorist and filmmaker working on the Watchers Nephilim series.
  • Dr. Michael Alday, a medical doctor specializing in preventative medicine, with no appreciable background in forensic anthropology, nor relevant expertise in cranial deformation or DNA analysis.
  • Mondo Gonzalez, described by Marzulli as an “archaeologist.” Gonzalez is actually an evangelical Christian pastor who received a master’s degree in Biblical archaeology from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, a school which states that it teaches only the “inerrancy of Scripture.” Gonzalez himself says that his degree is only “a fancy title simply to mean that we had the honor of learning the richness of the culture, history, theology and original languages of God’s Word.”
  • Chase Kloetzke, called a “forensic expert” by Marzulli, but better known as a UFO hunter. Her “forensic expert” credentials are actually evidence collection certification training she undertook to become a private investigator, and which she parlayed into a career as a lobbyist for UFO causes and investigator of Lloyd Pye’s “star child” skull.
  • Rick Woodward, described by Marzulli as an “anthropologist.” He runs a hydroponic store and teaches community college geography courses in Bossier Parish, Louisiana while pursuing a Ph.D. in—you guessed it!—Biblical Archaeology. (He holds a master’s in anthropology/geography.) Sadly, Woodward is a fringe believer who (a) says that blogs are “peer reviewed” publications that he writes for, (b) proudly touts as a credential being quoted in Marzulli’s Nephilim Hybrids, and (c) serves as a digital faculty consultant for McGraw-Hill, where he develops online courses for their Connect learning management system. One of these three things doesn’t belong.
  • A chiropractor. Enough said.
 
What is at least somewhat interesting is that the Peruvian Ministry of Culture allegedly endorsed some of the work that Marzulli’s team undertook. Gonzalez states that he has been working with the Ministry “to ascertain a more definitive genetic history of the Paracas People group.” I was unable to find any confirmation of the Ministry’s involvement on its website or in the Peruvian media. If they are working with Marzulli’s team, or even just Gonzalez, they are keeping it a closely guarded secret and, obviously, declined to participate in the news conference.
 
The claim, incidentally, also contradicts Brien Foerster’s statement from 2013 that Marzulli’s group was out of the DNA business because of cultural sensitivity issues. “Any future results will be the property and domain of the Peruvian government, and thus Peruvian people,” Foerster said, claiming that all material had been turned over to a “Peruvian archaeologist.” (It can’t be Gonzalez; he’s a native of Oregon.) Obviously, with two DNA announcements in two years, this claim was rendered moot by the potential for profit.
 
This brings me to the most important problem: If Marzulli and his team genuinely believed that they had proof positive that would change the history of the world, surely, they would have invited the actual mainstream media and trumpeted their findings to Kingdom Come. They wouldn’t restrict the results to paying customers.

[UPDATE] Late on Saturday, Marzulli apologized for the technical difficulties and promised to stream a recording of the conference tomorrow. He also tweeted that the DNA evidence “points to the Middle East” as the origin of the Paracas people, a claim he has previously made based on a rough analysis of haplogroups. It looks like the new results are more of the same.

[SECOND UPDATE] Late on Saturday, some information about the elongated skull DNA test from Brien Foerster appeared online. It was, as I suspected, more allegations about haplogroups. Here is his statement, as given online by a viewer who witnessed the presentation:
The DNA results actually were incredibly complicated… It’s gonna take me some time to actually figure out what the results mean. What it does show for sure is that the Paracas elongated skull people were not 100% Native American. They were a mix or even you could say, in some ways, a hybrid of different people. Their blood types are very complicated as well, they should be blood type “O” if they’re 100% Native American and that’s not the case. We are likely looking at a sub-species of humanity as regards to the Paracas… Seems to be a lot of DNA evidence from extreme eastern Europe and extreme western Asia. More specifically I’m talking about the area in between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea where ancient elongated skull people lived I think about 3000 years ago. So I think we are looking at a migration pattern starting in the Caspian Black Sea area and then entering through the Persian Gulf and then moving eastwards eventually winding up on the coast of Peru. So that’s the hypothesis Im developing now. 10 of the Paracas elongated skull’s blood were tested and they should be 100% type “O” because that is Native American, but it’s turning out high percentages of type “A,” a small percentage of type “B,” very high percentage of type “A-B” and less than half is “O.” So the Paracas were an incredibly complex ethnic mix of people… There are a number of different haplogroups that were found in the DNA tests of the Paracas elongated skulls and these haplogroups, which is your genetic ancestry, they don’t fit in with the history of Peru in any shape or form…. It appears that the largest elongated skulls on the planet have been found, “A” in Paracas, Peru and “B” in the Caucasus area in between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea… so my theory is that there was a sub-species of human which we are going to be eventually calling Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens-Paracas, and they were living in the area in between the Caspian and Black Sea. They were invaded by somebody… and so they were forced to flee. By studying the wind and currents of the oceans I’ve been able to come up with the following concept… they moved southwards until they found the Persian Gulf and then they sailed down through the Persian Gulf and once they left that area the boats were probably taken by the prevailing currents and winds which would have taken them eastward into the Pacific ocean. Over the course of a period of time, maybe tens of years or hundreds of years, they began to breed with people in the Pacific and that’s why we’re getting such a complicated reading of blood-types… They made it to Tahiti, from Tahiti they were able to sail south to New Zealand and then once they hit New Zealand they were able to catch the Humboldt current that took them up the coast of South America. They were looking for a good harbor to land their ships or boats and when they hit the largest natural bay on the coast of Peru which is Paracas, that’s where they stopped and that’s where they decided to establish themselves because almost nobody was living there at the time… over the course of time they had to breed with local native people otherwise their bloodline would become to concentrated… eventually they found Paracas probably about 900 B.C. and they lived in relative peacefulness… in 100 A.D. the invasion of the Nazca people happened from the north and when the Nazca entered the area, they slaughtered the elongated people who were the only royal class of people. We had 3 medical experts with us – Dr Malcom Warren (Chiropractor), Rick Woodward (Anthropologist) and Dr Michael Alday (Medical Doctor) and all 3 of them stated quiet emphatically that because of the abnormalities found with some of the Elongated Skulls from the Chongos cemetery in Peru they have no other choice but to state that some of these ancient Paracas were a sub-species of humanity… it had to be genetic, they had to be born with these abnormalities. They had dark red hair… the royal Paracas were the ones with elongated heads, not the common people… the royal family of the Paracas, they lived in subterranean underground houses and I think the reason for that is that they had light-colored skin, probably sensitive eyes because of the extreme sunshine…
Ah, the old Nephilim breeding their superior genes into all those sexy brown women trope! But seriously: Foerster and the decidedly inexpert medical people spun an elaborate fantasy out of genetic and skeletal data they barely understand, substituting their own ignorance for facts. The findings they note seem actually to be consistent with the identification of some ancestral Native American populations as hailing from central Asia. Five years ago, for example, National Geographic reported on genetic studies of Native Americans: “​Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome.” So, basically, Marzulli and Foerster found exactly what science already knew and tried to explain away known results with a bizarre Biblical hypothesis because they do not accept that Eurasian people gave rise to the Native Americans and that real scientists already knew and accounted for this.
60 Comments
Jim
2/3/2018 09:53:19 am

You know it's bad when Pulitzer can put out a superior product using his phone.
On his blog Marzulli says attendence was free for the actual "symposium", I would imagine most attendees left feeling ripped off.

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Machala
2/3/2018 10:49:24 am

After reading your blog, I placed a call, this morning, to a friend of mine , who works for the Ministerio de Cultura Peru in Lima. He did a little investigating and emphatically stated that in NO WAY is the Ministerio envolved with the Marzulli's DNA project and are absolutely NOT associated with, working with, cooperating with, or even speaking to Mundo Gonzalez.

I know Marzulli , and his long discredited assumptions and crackpot theories.
I can see by your list of his research team that he's gathered the best and brightest minds to bolster his theories.

Last time I saw Brien Foerester, he was running around Quechua Qosqo ( Cuzco ), Peru hustling gullible tourists to take his Hidden Inca Tours. He's a perfect fit for Marzulli - another rip-off artist !

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D Haverly
2/3/2018 11:29:47 pm

First OF all it's "Involved" with AN "I" and SECOND of ALL putting EVERY other WORD in CAPS doesn't make you credible. Thirdly, all I see on the website is criticism from the Blogger; who obviously wrote his own bio. I mean c'mon all you have to do is "say" "Internationally recognized" but I have never heard of him so therefore I cannot prove he is, and neither can he. However, It's very telling when others criticize in the way Jason does, that they either feel threatened by hearing another POV, or their own lack of knowledge on a given subject, leaves them feeling stupid and therefore they rant and rave like a child because they are agitated at them selves. My point here is that it's fine to criticize based on evidence, for or against your/their theory and methods. Thats acceptable, but Jason seems to have a rather unhealthy hatred for LA Marzulli, and therefore has to make his criticisms (which by the way could be better said by like maybe a teenager, because like they'd try to be like nicer and all) petty, and at the same time sort of "self righteous". I don't know... maybe he's an atheist and thats really what his beef is about. Instead of criticizing about the cost of LA's video feed, quality and presentation, how about looking at the results, keeping an open mind like a REAL grownup scientist? It's how LA makes a living... WAIT A MINUTE, THATS HOW JASON MAKES A LIVING TOO! Oh my... we don't have a problem with LA's science... we have a problem with LA being a competitor! Wow, now I know the real reason Jason is acting like a child. He doesn't want anyone to steal his thunder! LOL Well this has been quite entertaining, but I need to get back to my real life. Goodness... Jason are you selling other peoples books??? So you're also a book seller. Funny I don't see that any of the books were written by YOU? Huh... what was your background and education again? OH wait don't answer, I'll look it up myself and post my results on FB and or Twitter; making sure to pick you and your site apart in the most childish way I can. Hopefully I can find some of your "Actual Field time" studies. You know... where you actually leave the confides of a library or lecture hall, breathe some fresh air, get your hands dirty and all that.

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Americanegro
2/4/2018 12:49:30 am

I see someone who has deep-seated issues centered around the Enter key who has made it his mission in life never to use paragraphs. On the bright side he's comfortable with looking like a mental patient. What I wonder is the age-old question: Where is he institutionalized?

Jason Colavito link
2/4/2018 08:36:18 am

How, may I ask, is one to criticize evidence that Marzulli won't share except for paying customers? That's the very opposite of the science that Marzulli pretends to conduct.

It's cute that you think that I make a living from writing about this material, but unlike the profiteers in the Nephilim-hunting business, I make no money from this. It's just a hobby that I do in my free time, when I'm not doing my actual job. Therefore, I have no financial incentive to lie.

You are welcome to review my list of books, both those I have written myself (and there are many of them) and those I have edited, translated, or reprinted under my imprint by clicking the "Books" tab.

But it is not about me. It wouldn't matter who criticizes Marzulli so long as the facts are correct. Marzulli is arguing against reality, and it takes no special skill to identify his many errors. Remember, after all, that he promoted a taxidermy fraud as a genuine demon-fairy until the obvious hoax couldn't be denied.

J. Raff link
2/4/2018 09:28:09 am

Hi D, I'm an expert on ancient DNA who does "actual" field work (but mostly laboratory work), and I can tell you that Jason is spot-on with his criticisms. L.A. does not even come close to doing reputable work (setting aside the whole issue of ethics).

If you would like a detailed look at his methodology from someone who does this for a living, I wrote one here: https://violentmetaphors.com/2016/09/20/genetic-mythologies-nephilim-dna-from-the-paracas-skulls/

Jason, at some point I'd like to look at that video and maybe write up my take on how he did things this time.

Rapture ready randy
2/4/2018 01:00:00 pm

My dearest Brother (or is it Sister?) Haverly,

As a fellow believer in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I must admonish you now for falling into the Adversary’s trap of focusing on Jason Colavito’s finite and mortal mind, which shall of course pass away with his fallen body at physical death.

Instead, I want to lay on your heart the need to change your focus to Jason’s infinite and immortal soul which is in danger of eternal perdition, especially now in the light of Brother LA Marzulli’s potent preaching about the imminence of the Rapture.

May I remind you that when the Rapture happens, that you and I and Brother Marzulli as well as billions of other believers in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be lifted up to the heavens, leaving Jason and 99% of his regular commenters here on the earth.

Do you have anything you would say to Jason now that would help him and his fellow nonbelievers to weather the terrible Tribulation that will befall them on planet Earth?

That should be your focus Brother or Sister D

Yours in Christ,

Rapture-Ready-Randy

Machala
2/4/2018 06:44:36 pm

J.Raff,

Quick question for you. Are you the same J. Raff that was one of the co-authors of Molecular Biology of the Cell ?
If you indeed are that individual, then you are certainly far more qualified to comment on this topic than the rest of us !!

I certainly hope that other posters will take the time to read and absorb what you've written on the Paracas skulls. It was excellent - well researched, well written, and extremely informative. In case others missed the link, I'm going to post it again:

https://violentmetaphors.com/2016/09/20/genetic-mythologies-nephilim-dna-from-the-paracas-skulls/

D Haverly et al would be well advised to take the time to read it.

J. Raff link
2/5/2018 04:51:04 pm

Machala,

No that's Martin Raff :) I'm this J. Raff: https://anthropology.ku.edu/jennifer-raff#link3

Thank you!

V
2/5/2018 05:45:53 pm

I'm amused that this childish temper tantrum on the part of D. Haverly accuses Jason of behaving childishly. D, darling, you nitpicked grammar, denied that someone might have international acclaim because you, personally, had never heard of him (despite the fact that he does in fact have international acclaim in academic circles, a place where I doubt you frequent, on the basis of your tantrum), and equate legitimate criticism of methodology--the EXACT same criticism as one faces in a legitimate peer review--with "hatred" and "atheism." (Hint: Bad science is bad science, and religious viewpoints have nothing whatever to do with it.)

Seriously, D, honey, all you really show is your own childishness, self-centeredness, and nastiness. You might want to rethink accusing other people of things WHILE DOING THEM.

Lance Moody link
2/3/2018 11:38:13 am

It is interesting that MUFON, the flying saucer fan club, who just went through a racism scandal, would be part of this debacle. MUFON"s tag line now seems to be "It Just Keeps Getting Better". Yes! Except the opposite.

Many folks believe that the fake science and desecration of the Peruvian human remains amounts to another form of despicable racism.

It appears that the new con is to get the support of religious zealots who bring their own dubious (and perhaps equally racist) worldview and, most importantly, their money into the mix.

The hilarious science cosplay practiced by UFO and paranormal larpers can not get any funnier than this collection of misfits.

Foerester, (notice how his name is misspelled in their own poster) is a perfect example of the way that these silly clods present their "research". An internet search will reveal that Brien is often listed as part of the Biology Department at the University of Victoria (this came as a surprise to the department when I called them). His Facebook page says: "Studied Sciences: biology, chemistry, mathematics and physics at University of Victoria" LOL.... He was an frigging undergraduate. I guess I studied all those things, too!

Paranormal enthusiast desperately desire scientific recognition. But most real scientists aren't interested in their sci-fi fanfiction world.

So they improvise with predictable results. It would be more funny if it wasn't so goddamned dishonest.

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Doc Rock
2/3/2018 11:55:17 am

I continue to marvel at the fringe folks who are desperate to claim/contrive ANY academic degrees or credentials (and collect such people as part of their research "teams") while rejecting the criticisms of legitimate degree holders because academics don't really know what they are talking about and "you don't really need a college degree to do this stuff."

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Americanegro
2/3/2018 01:37:08 pm

"hilarious science cosplay practiced by UFO and paranormal larpers"

Beautiful!

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V
2/5/2018 05:39:19 pm

"Most real scientists aren't interested in their sci-fi fanfiction world."

Oh, please. Science fiction is supposed to be actually based in REAL SCIENCE. Real scientists aren't interested in these peoples' FANTASY fanfiction; there's certainly nothing based in real science in this crap.

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Only Me
2/3/2018 02:13:21 pm

Would it have really been too much trouble for Marzulli to have someone like Todd Disotell test the DNA? Disotell has proven willing to test for genetic evidence of Bigfoot and the Yeti, so, I doubt a Paracas skull would be too daunting.

Then again, maybe he couldn't due to legal issues. I'm sure that's one of several reasons why his team lacks anyone with real expertise.

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Doc Rock
2/3/2018 02:40:22 pm

Disotell has gone above and beyond in terms of testing for the Bigfoot crowd (who manage to appear downright sane when compared to the Marzulli crowd). But I seriously doubt that he, or his research center in general, are going to devote time, money, and energy to people with established reputations as crackpots who are trying to claim that skulls resulting from cranial deformation are actually aliens or Nephilim. Next thing you know, Wolter will show up with a fragment of a mummy finger in a bread bag demanding that it be tested because the results will prove that the pyramids were built 10,000 years ago by time travelling Templers who are buried in secret chambers within them.

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Only Me
2/3/2018 02:55:00 pm

True. I wouldn't put it past the fringe to claim anything at this point.

Jennifer Raff link
2/4/2018 09:24:16 am

I really doubt Todd would do it, nor would any reputable anthropological geneticist. I certainly wouldn't. It's highly unethical without the permission and support of the descendant community, and wouldn't advance scientific knowledge at all. Plenty of ancient Peruvians have been examined genetically and they look exactly like one would expect (i.e. lineages found in other indigenous American populations).

Doc Rock
2/3/2018 03:08:56 pm

Why shouldn't they? With at least a couple million people around at any given point willing to pay for self-published books, reality shows, videos, pay-per-view performances, etc. that cover everything from fake moon landings to Egyptians in the Grand Canyon, it's a ripe market for those with a strong entrepreneurial spirit and low morals.

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Riley V
2/3/2018 11:48:13 pm

Please don’t judge Bossier Parish Community College by Mr. Woodward. My nephew received an Associate of Business Degree from that College, and now owns his own auto repair business.

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alan
2/4/2018 03:25:25 am

Discredited as misfits in blog above are the people who actually try to work out who these people of Paracas were. All criticism is irrelevant because the experts are the people who actually work in the field of elongated sculls but not the people in the office with diploma on the wall . All of them are famous scientists in the field of archeology and anthropology only because they stick to official version of human evolution and treasure they seat above the truth.
LA Marzulli is only the guy who find the area which is unexplored and swept under the carpet and try to find the truth . Respect to him cause the so called experts will ridicule him as author of this blog already did without even looking into the issue and into the evidence.

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J. Raff link
2/4/2018 09:35:35 am

No, the actual experts working in this field are people like Dr. Lars Fehren-Schmitz, who studies the genomes from people in the region. Guess what? They're not from the Middle East, or from outer space. For anyone actually interested in their history and genetics, here's a place to start (sorry it's behind a paywall) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21135/full

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V
2/5/2018 05:36:26 pm

Experts will ridicule him because they HAVE looked into the issue and into the evidence; it's sort of part of how they became EXPERTS. You discredit your own words when you show such abysmal ignorance of the very definition of the word expert.

Perhaps you are not aware that the people in the office with the DEGREES on the wall actually had to do something to earn them, and that the papers in frames are proof of that. Perhaps this is because you don't actually have one, having either not bothered or been unable to earn one. The fact that you think that there IS an "official version of human evolution" certainly indicates you've never actually been exposed to the world of academia.

Your post, in short, boils down to "all criticism is irrelevant because I am a True Believer," which doesn't make you smart, it makes you bigoted. Become a better person; educate yourself, lose the racism, and UNDERSTAND. Academia is not beyond you; you just have to put in some effort, and the entire world will become a more amazing place for you.

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Doc. Oebius
2/4/2018 05:55:33 am

This sad debunker posts bullshit like all other debunkers with no fact, no evidence. No one believes ass wipes like you because you’re just a denier. Or a CIA shill. Or an asswipe.

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David Perkins
2/4/2018 08:15:24 am

The Paracas skulls are not cranial deformation. You can change the shape of a skull that way, but not the size. The brain cavities are considerably larger for their size than human brain cavities. Also, there is no sagittal suture on these. There is a sagittal suture on every skull of every human that ever lived. Also, orbitals are different, eye sockets larger. These are features plainly visible in photographs. To call these human skulls with cranial deformation is just lazy and no credit to the observational skills of the commenter.

I wonder if we have it backwards. Cranial deformation could well be a parental response to the presence of these Paracas type people, who may have been the best and smartest and most capable leaders, the wealthy, etc, in their societies... and so parents hoping for success for their children may have learned to shape their heads to imitate the social betters.

Just thinking, unlike some folks around here. I'm a great skeptic of Marzulli et al, but was hoping for some small enlightenment from this newest DNA thing. Judging by how its all gone so far, I don't expect to learn anything new.

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Jason Colavito link
2/4/2018 08:29:20 am

We've been over this many times before, David, which is why I didn't feel the need to repeat myself here. But since the nineteenth century, it has been recognized that a small percentage of skulls lack sagittal sutures, and the most common reason for that is compression due to cranial deformation in infancy, which forces the plates together prematurely and causes the bones to grow together rather than to suture later. Since the process has been understood for almost 200 years, though not always given in textbooks since many alive today have never seen such modifications in a living person, I didn't consider it necessary to repeat here.

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Hanslune
2/4/2018 01:52:14 pm

Howdy Jason and friend

Absolutely.

In dealing with Paracas skulls it's best to consider them in the following way.

Cut off the elongated top of the skull and examine just the teeth, face, jaw and base of the skull: What does one find?

A fully (within known ranges) HSS structure, the teeth are clearly HSS, so too the jaw, facial bones and in particular where the blood vessels penetrate the bone, same for the base of the skull. All HSS.

Repeat: All HSS

One other thought - if the Paracas skull contained a brain 'considerably larger'. Oh? The human brain is an enormous drain on the human cardio vascular system - increasing it by x percentage would mean a notable increase in that system - yet the Paracas skeletons shows a perfectly normal skeleton no increase in the chest size and other modifications for an increased CV system........it makes one wonder eh?

V
2/5/2018 05:29:25 pm

Please provide evidence for your claim that the cranial capacities differ in a statistically significant way. Right now, I'm feeling like you're falling into the "taller, narrower glass holds more juice" fallacy, more. Particularly since the orbitals and eye sockets are going to in fact alter shape as the rest of the skull does, simply because the skull is moving upward instead of out in a bulbous shape. Anyone who works with clay can show you a simple demonstration of how using the EXACT same clay decoration can be extremely different in shape when you put it on different shaped bases.

I personally feel that saying that you can glance at photographs and know better than serious academics who have been studying them up close and personally is just plain hubris, intellectual laziness, and no credit to the commenter's understanding of science, scientific procedures, or critical thinking skills.

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Denise
2/4/2018 02:52:54 pm

Well AN I am starting to warm up to your idea that some here are institutionalized. I am amazed that "grown adults" (I assume) simply can't tell the difference between a critique and hate talk. So much so they use the same tactics they claim to decry.

I am not even going to touch that Randy Rapture dude....too scary, might get cooties. I freely admit that I am sinking to their level and should be ashamed of myself...but its been a long week.

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Americanegro
2/4/2018 05:21:20 pm

I THINK that was satire. Go on, touch it. Touch it.

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Rapture Ready randy
2/10/2018 07:00:47 pm

Dearest Sister Denise,

I can understand and accept your wish to be as far away from me as possible, but I am really not the issue here. You see, you really fear right now the loving touch of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who would touch you with infinite love that passes all human understanding and limitations.

The Holy Spirit moves me now to quote to you from my dear teacher LA Marzulli in a blogpost he made in 2009. I believe that his description of the vision of the Rapture he was given in a sublime state of grace would touch your soul with the Christ love necessary for you to change your attitude, the true meaning of “repent” and turn to your Savior for your eternal salvation.

https://lamarzulli.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/the-rapture-of-the-church-a-vision/

LA MARZULLI wrote:
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“A few months ago I had a vision. It was more of a mental picture but it was amazing. I wasn’t doing anything special. I wasn’t praying or fasting or thinking about scripture. I was going about my business when suddenly I got this very vivid picture in my minds eyes. This is what I saw.

I was in the air and around me were thousands of other people. I was about 20 feet  away from the next person. As I looked around I realized that we were all on the same page. We all knew what had just happened. No one was wondering where they were. We were all in the air with the Lord and as the text says, we had been changed in a twinkling of an eye – we had been raptured.

It was a somber, holy moment. No one said a word. There was a reverential silence as everyone knew that his or hers sin nature was gone for ever and we were in our immortal bodies. Then the vision ended.

The rapture of the saints – those who believe on Him who was sent, is our hope that one day we will be like him. We are to comfort one another with these words…. Beam me up!”
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Oh my dear Sister Denise, please heed my beloved Teacher Marzulli’s words. You see, if the Rapture happens and you are left behind — well, I shudder to contemplate the wickedness and evil that the Nephilim will have in store for you and all the rest of your fellow wretched and woeful human souls who must suffer the Tribulation down on earth and you know from Teacher Marzulli’s research about the Nephilim that you do not want to experience them without anyone to save you from that terrible fate.

Yours in Christ, our Blessed Hope

Rapture Ready Randy

Please go to this website to prepare yourself for the Rapture. It’s never too late —- until it is.
http://www.raptureready.com

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Marzulli Victim
2/10/2018 07:39:41 pm

I've experienced disassociative states such as you describe ever since Mr. Marzulli touched me where my bathing suit covers.

Americanegro
2/4/2018 09:13:50 pm

Wait. What. Is he actually saying that all full-blooded Injuns necessarily have type O blood? To steal from George Will, that sounds risible, or as Billy O'Reilly would say "Luuuuuuudacris".

A "very high percentage of type 'A-B' [sic, I'm used to seeing it written AB]" also sounds wrong, or at least unlikely.

Molecular Biology of the Cell is indeed a fine book.

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Naghtius
2/5/2018 09:02:32 am

Did they only test for haplogroyps or did they do a autosomal test?

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E.P. Grondine
2/5/2018 11:09:55 am

HI Jason -

A bit of background - the first DNA test on any of these skulls was funded by David Childress's friend Steve Garcia.

As I have told you repeatedly, what we are seeing here is old theosophist cult "archaeology" being recycled to support the hypothesis of alien contact with the Earth in ancient times.

In sum, it all runs through Kempton, Illinois, right next door to cult leader Richard Kieninger's community of Stelle.

Normally, a DNA test would be revelatory, but given that they desperately want to find data supporting their hypothesis of ancient alien contact, you can expect really bad DNA testing.

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Americanegro
2/5/2018 01:07:12 pm

You're like a dog with a bone or Hitler with the Jews with this theosophist thing. They're responsible for everything is the view that comes across. Probably behind the Federal Reserve too.

"O Muslims! If thou seeest a Theosophist hiding behind a tree, smite him."

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E.P. Grondine
2/5/2018 01:19:20 pm

AN, What we are watching here is technology at work. At the start it was computer maling lists and desktop publishing. Now it is desktop video, cable and small market "broadcasting".
But at the heart of it all is really bad theosophist cult archaeology,being repackaged.

You can follow the money, or if you are any good you can follow the bodies.

Americanegro
2/5/2018 03:09:50 pm

You're like a dog with a bone or Hitler with the Jews with this theosophist thing. They're responsible for everything is the view that comes across. Probably behind the Federal Reserve too.

"O Muslims! If thou seeest a Theosophist hiding behind a tree, smite him."

E.P. Grondine
2/5/2018 07:50:53 pm

AN, you still don't get it.
You can follow the money, or you can follow the bodies.

Me, I'm just a hack writer, according to some people, though other people thought I was an investigative journalist, and a pretty goo one at that. Since my stroke, either one would be fine.

So let me see if you've heard this one before: man steals "religion", fails, steals "religion" again, but this time inserts himself as messiah in it. He then seduces his followers' wives and daughters, and when it all finally turns to shit prints up a couple of million in his own money and spends it. At which point he gets caught and rats out everyone he involved in the scheme...

I figure with enough dramatized sex scenes it could make a 6 or 7 part tv series, although at this point I am more than willing to consider "Ron Jeremy IS Richard Kieninger!" depending on the offer

I am not a legal officer, and it is not my job to bring the guilty to justice. As I told you, you can follow the money, or follow the bodies. But when the bodies start to stack up...





Americanegro
2/5/2018 08:33:20 pm

You're like a dog with a bone or Hitler with the Jews with this theosophist thing. They're responsible for everything is the view that comes across. Probably behind the Federal Reserve too.

"O Muslims! If thou seeest a Theosophist hiding behind a tree, smite him."

Americangro
2/5/2018 03:18:18 pm

Hanslune: "The human brain is an enormous drain on the human cardio vascular system - increasing it by x percentage would mean a notable increase in that system"

Yeah, that sounds like something you just made up. Tell us about the heart situation with conjoined twins with a single heart. The brain needs a constant supply of oxygen and sugar, granted. What about someone carrying 400 pounds of fat? Those fat cells need blood supply. What about someone who lifts weights and eventually puts on 20 pounds of muscle (more than the brain weighs)? Compare and contrast, without making stuff up.

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Hanslune
2/5/2018 04:36:19 pm

No, sounds like something you made up in a failed attempt to give me homework.

Your trolling attempt isn't going to work because I could care less whether you believe me or not.

If you actually are interested in this subject you can always find me at the Hall of Ma'at or ISF (International Skeptics Forum).

Love ya too.



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V
2/5/2018 05:22:27 pm

Honey, speaking as someone who weighs 400 lbs? Major risks of obesity: high blood pressure, enlarged heart, heart disease. These are, in fact, noticeable increases in the system. Not to mention the fact that my bones already show increased and unusual signs of wear and tear for someone of my age, because of the weight--according to the orthopedist that I saw just last Thursday because of problems with my knees.

And it's not about JUST the weight of things. It's about the FUNCTION. Fat cells take considerably less food supply to maintain and do their job than brain cells, because fat cells only do one thing, and that's store fat. Brain cells have significantly more vigorous functions. A professional athlete needs way more calories to continue their job than someone who sits at a desk--it's one of the reasons why there's an obesity epidemic in the US, after all.

So Hanslune is correct, and you are not. If the Paracas skulls actually represented a significant increase in brain capacity--ie, outside of the range of human norm--then the skeleton would pretty certainly show it in some fashion. Particularly if we're talking, as implied, about an entire SPECIES evolved to have a larger brain. Human skeletons definitely reflect out big brains, as have all large-brained hominids.

You really are kind of a jerk, honestly. You just seem to challenge everyone who speaks for the sheer joy of being mean and nasty. Please seek counseling, for your own sake. This is not healthy behavior.

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Hanslune
2/5/2018 05:58:19 pm

Howdy V

Yeah the brain uses 25% of the blood flow and takes up about 25% of the oxygen too. Now no problem if you are sloshing around in a normal mode. The problem comes if you are in a fight or flight situation. The brain cannot get less while the body suddenly needs an increase - the brain is always on.

If you don't give the brain what it needs you pass out.

Some fringe claims are that the skull capacity is up to 25%(?) greater so if it actually was that you would need to increase both lung and heart capacity and that would necessitate a larger chest cavity. To handle this additional requirement in F or F situations. The neck might also show muscle anchoring of a greater size also to keep that bigger brain upright. Small changes but noticeable to a physical anthropologist.

AN seems to have forgotten that I've been reading his comments for many months and during that time while he on occasion does make an interesting point he spends a great deal of time trying to be a poopy head and trying to get people to waste their time in responding to his nonsense.

He is just not worth engaging.

Americanegro
2/5/2018 06:13:13 pm

Surely you're aware, Sugartits, that the human brain is 1/3 fat? Sorry you've chosen to be obese, but I'm right and you're wrong. Learn it. Know it. Live it.

I didn't give you homework, the questions answer themselves.

Americanegro
2/5/2018 06:21:04 pm

Hanslune: "the brain uses 25% of the blood flow" WRONG. That's not how the circulatory system works. Every part of the body uses 100% of the blood flow. That is why injectable drugs and oral antifungals for your toenails e.g. work.

"AN seems to have forgotten that I've been reading his comments for many months"

Wow, if I'd known that (and I didn't so I couldn't possible forget it, idiot) I'd have change my posting behavior, Dick. I hope you don't mind if I address you by your familiar name.

Americanegro
2/5/2018 06:30:16 pm

"You just seem to challenge everyone who speaks for the sheer joy of being mean and nasty."


"AMERICANEGRO
2/3/2018 01:37:08 pm
"hilarious science cosplay practiced by UFO and paranormal larpers"

Beautiful!"

Americanegro
2/5/2018 08:56:41 pm

In retrospect, "chosen" was harsh since I don't know your situation (cough, small percentage). I apologize for the phrasing I used.

Lurker Un-Cloaking
2/6/2018 06:24:56 pm

http://www.humanneurophysiology.com/cbfo2consumption.htm

"The brain utilizes fully 25 percent of the body's total oxygen consumption. The arteriovenous O2 difference is relatively high since the brain receives only 15 percent of the cardiac output."

Much more at the link. Took about three minutes to find.

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Americanegro
2/6/2018 07:11:55 pm

But NOT "25% of the blood flow" which is the mistake and misconception at hand. The blood in your toes is the blood in your brain and vice versa, as previously explained.

Lurker Un-Cloaking
2/7/2018 01:20:16 pm

You simply demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about. The basic point being made is that the brain is fed by a portion of cardiac output and oxygen well out of proportion to its size. That point holds, even if the particular values given were a bit off.

The average human brain's volume is given as 1450 cubic centimeters, or 0.00145 cubic meters. The total volume of an average human body is given as 0.0664 cubic meters. At a rough estimate, therefore, without bothering to consult a calculator, the brain is a bit less than a fortieth of the body's total volume. If roughly a sixth of the cardiac output goes to a portion of the body which is less than a fortieth of the body's total volume, it is obviously true that the portion of blood devoted to the brain is far out of proportion to that devoted to the rest of the body --- the brain's use is six to seven times as great as average. Further, the blood sent to the brain is more richly oxygenated than that sent to portions of the body at progressively greater distance from the heart than the brain. The blood reaching your toes does not carry so much oxygen as that which reaches the brain, having given a portion of it up along the way. Again, a portion of bodily resource far out of strict volume proportion is devoted to the brain.

Stating that 'the blood in your toes is the blood in your brain' is just beside the point of the discussion. Obviously what blood goes to which portion of the body with each heart-beat is random, so that blood cells which have come back from the brain may go to the toes on their next excursion. But that has nothing to do with proportional use of oxygenated blood by different organs of the body.

Americanegro
2/7/2018 07:49:36 pm

You know that most of the brain doesn't get blood right? It's not that there's extra blood going to your head, rather the brain pulls in more oxygen than other organs. Same blood all over the body, brain to toe. So no, the brain doesn't "use" more blood. Eppur si muove.

E.P. Grondine
2/5/2018 07:57:41 pm

Jason, even if the DNA results come back with the the local native population adoptng skull deformation, the AA folks will simply come back with "So why were they trying imitate aliens?"

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Hanslune
2/5/2018 08:09:15 pm

Howdy E.P. Grondine

Of course there is a desperate need to always keep the 'possibility' alive. I would add that they may alo suggest that:

'THEY' got to the testers and perverted the test.

The original source of the materials were switched, etc.

If they are perfectly normal HSS but have any ancient lineages (as all native Americans do - just like everyone else) those will become proof of Atlantis, Mu etc.

This little story of theirs makes money for them and gives them attention - they will never let it die.

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E.P. Grondine
2/6/2018 11:06:22 am

"This little story of theirs makes money for them and gives them attention - they will never let it die."

Yep. And the reason the hypothesis makes money is that people desperately want to believe it. I tend to view "ancient aliens" as a real step up from the spiritual theft of theosophism.

Me, I just have the story of how the "ancient aliens" hypothesis got its re-birth after EvD's failure in the first go round to sell.

Hanslune
2/6/2018 12:47:05 pm

EPG

'Rebirth of ancient aliens'.

Are you going to or have you already written a narrative of how this came about?

That portion of humanity that needs 'magic' in their lives will always be with us I presume.

Pye kept the 'starchild' myth running for what, fifteen years ? before he died.

I suspect despite a thorough debunking it will 'be back at some point'.

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Mjon
2/7/2018 02:39:08 am

So what are the DNA results? Who has done the testing? This bullshit never ends.

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Rook
2/9/2018 01:07:40 am

The theory put forward by Foerster that a group of people from the Black Sea region sailed halfway around the world -across both the Indian and Pacific Oceans-"looking for a good harbor to land their ships" is simply absurd.

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Susan Harris
3/14/2018 02:39:53 am

Hi, I ran across your blog after reading the latest "elongated skulls" article - concerning the skulls found in Bavaria.

Anyway, as a Christian, I am very upset how Marzulli, Steve Quayle and others - keep adding their own science fiction theories to Christian theology. I noticed Marzulli would cater to Christian shows and put EVERYTHING in a Biblical framework, then go on shows that embraced ufology and openly rejected Christianity and and frame his talk in a manner which seemed to REJECT Christianity - consistent with whatever that particular audience wanted to hear! I confronted him with this via email, and he said I was "very discerning" and that he indeed did go with the flow with whatever show he was on! I mean...just like that...like it was normal to deny or embrace things based on who was giving you the publicity! I started speaking out against Marzulli - and the Christian community started crying and whining and told me to stop criticizing very good people who have done so much work yadda yadda yadda. This guy is so full of horse manure ... a regular snake oil salesman...it's really just sick and an embarrassment to Christianity.

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Hanslune
3/14/2018 01:50:17 pm

He is being paid to say whatever will keep the viewing fringe believers happy. It has nothing to do with science, religion or truth.

Pretense for hire. Just making stuff up for profit.

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