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L. A. Marzulli Resurrects Myth of the Mound Builders for New "Nephilim" Video

12/8/2018

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​I don’t usually cover the same fringe theorist twice in the same week, but I am making an exception because of the shocking new release from L. A. Marzulli that the Nephilim theorist announced yesterday. It also happens to coincide with the subject of my (other) forthcoming new book, tentatively titled Monuments of an Unknown People, which will be published a little more than a year from now. I can’t give more details until the contract comes through, probably next week. Anyway, Marzulli announced his newest DVD, On the Trail of the Nephilim: The Mysterious Moundbuilders. Yes, those Mound Builders—the imaginary lost race of (a) Jews, (b) cannibal giants, (c) ancient Aryans, or (d) Solutreans who were alleged to have been the true builders of the Native American mounds of North America back in the days when white Americans were too racist to admit that Native Americans could make large earthworks out of piles of dirt, a skill they believed only the white race had mastered.
Mysterious Moundbuilders
​In the new DVD, Marzulli explored American earthworks and alleges a biblical conspiracy to suppress the truth about the scriptural origin of the mounds—claims famously put forward by both early Mormons and Victorian racists.
 
Let’s take a look at what Marzulli’s fans have to say about the resurrection of this nineteenth century pseudohistory:
 
“If you at all wondered how the mounds found all over the world could have actually been built, who built them and even why this is the documentary to watch,” evangelical podcasters Brian and Audrey Vanderkley write. “Could our history be wrong? Why does there seem to be a managed narrative and bias by secular academia?”
 
“Awesome! There is no way someone can watch that production and not realize secular history is fabricated,” Todd Reed said.
 
Evangelicals hate any knowledge that exists independent of Bible stories, and thus the emphasis on the corruption of “secular” academics and historians in these twisted endorsements. It’s strange how much they resemble the apocryphal story told about the Caliph Umar and the burning of the Library of Alexandria: “If these books agree with the Koran, they are useless; if they disagree, they are pernicious: in either case, they ought to be destroyed.”
 
The fascinating thing about the Mound Builder myth is how unnecessary it always was. During colonial times, it was utterly uncontroversial to assert that the ancestors of contemporary Native Americans had built the mounds, and it was indeed the standard explanation, at least among the educated, down to the founding of the Republic. For a time afterward, it still held pride of place, and when Thomas Jefferson famously excavated a mound near Monticello in the 1780s, he reported—correctly—that it showed every evidence of being the work of Native Americans.
 
This view, however, faced a serious challenge when white Americans moved into the Ohio Valley and were forced to contend with evidence that the Native peoples they were actively attempting to displace had sophisticated cultures that marked them as something more than the “savages” that early American propaganda painted them to be. At the same time, the new Republic was casting about for a mythic history to rival the antiquities of the Old World and show that America was the equal of Britain or France. In this environment, it was no wonder that a generation of early American elites, including Noah Webster, members of Congress and state governments, and religious leaders, casts about for hypotheses that would active recreate the history ancient America in a way that would compete with European Antiquity and which would lay claim to the priority of white people in the newly settled lands.
 
When you assemble the various ideas in chronological order, as I do in my book, it becomes easy to see how early European efforts in the colonial period to understand how the denizens of the New World fit into the Noachian history of humanity were twisted into a new narrative of a lost white race. Colonial Europeans tried to explain the existence of Native peoples as a lost tribe of Israel or some other offshoot of Noah’s progeny, but the ongoing hostility between Native groups and the white Americans trying to displace them made it difficult to image them as equals. The new narrative—one, weirdly, that was actually rooted in the correct and prescient deduction that Native Americans came to North America from northeast Asia—repurposed the old colonial claims by imagining an original group of white settlers who were killed off by bloodthirsty “Asiatics.” This, in a nutshell, became the Mound Builder myth, and it was in place by the early 1800s.
 
It lasted for a century, until the weight of evidence for the Native American origins of the mounds—conveniently collected in the late 1800s by Cyrus Thomas of the Smithsonian in its Twelfth Annual Report—became so overwhelming that all but the most recalcitrant racists accepted it.
 
The Mound Builder myth, however, didn’t die. Instead, it fell in with other discredited beliefs in the growing fissure between science and popular prejudice. Much the way evolutionary theory caused conservative Christians to embrace creationism, and critical evaluations of the Bible cause them to endorse fundamentalist readings of the Bible, the failure of archaeology to endorse the existence of Nephilim-giants and Lost Tribes of Israel in middle America created counterculture of anti-scientific belief in which the Mound Builders remain white and pure and holy now and forever.
 
Anyone who plays in this sandbox needs to understand the history of the ideas he endorses before unleashing them again on the world. When L. A. Marzulli goes hunting for lost white giants among the Mound Builders, he repeats and endorses not just anti-scientific beliefs but also the long history of racism that has animated the Mound Builder myth since the beginning. 

64 Comments
Machala
12/8/2018 08:55:37 am

I hope that your upcoming work on the Mound Builders will explain why you think the ancestors of the Indigenous People built these mounds. What if anything, do they contain ?

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An Anonymous Nerd
12/8/2018 09:45:51 am

[why you think the ancestors of the Indigenous People built these mounds]

He's already pointed out some stuff in this very article. For example the fact that at least some of the first folks to get a look at them recognized correctly what they were and for the most part it was later that the myths spread.

While we wait for Mr. Colavito's book this podcast is pretty useful:

https://archyfantasies.com/2015/02/16/those-mysterious-mound-builders-episode-4/

[What if anything, do they contain ?]

The ones I'm aware of were burial mounds. In that podcast I linked to they talked about a Colonial village that dug into one and found corpses. To their credit they re-buried the corpses then decided to put their own graveyard at the foot of the mound, so there was an American Indian burial mound with a Colonial graveyard at the foot of it.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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gdave
12/8/2018 10:24:43 am

The Ohio Serpent Mound, probably the most famous, almost certainly is not a burial mound. It doesn't appear to contain anything. This has made it very difficult to date. Both the Adena and the Fort Ancient cultures did build burial mounds nearby. Radiocarbon dating on organic materials in the mound have given conflicting dates, so it's not at all clear which, if either, of those cultures created it.

Still, there are two different American Indian groups that demonstrably built large mounds in the immediate vicinity, there's absolutely no evidence of any sort of fantastical lost civilization in the area, and the earliest radiocarbon dates still put it well within the known dates of Adena occupation of the region, so Occam's Razor cuts very strongly towards it being built by an American Indian culture and not Nephilim or Atlanteans or any other "lost civilization."

E.P. Grondine
12/8/2018 11:10:57 am

GDave -

Jeff Wilson has gone through Putnam's excavation notes, and there is no problem in dating Serpent Mound, although through his incompetence Brad Lepper manage to come up with a date 2,000 years just plain wrong.

There are also about 125 serpent structures. See Fletch and my's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFlFRLnzk8

E.P. Grondine
12/8/2018 11:52:41 am

For serpents, see my video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WiQCvt4OGs

An Anonymous Nerd
12/8/2018 12:36:14 pm

[The Ohio Serpent Mound, probably the most famous, almost certainly is not a burial mound. ]

According to organization once-known as the Ohio Historical Society, and now known as "Ohio History Connection," it's an effigy mound, which is surrounded by burial mounds. (As you mention.) Ironically the History Channel's own Internet site also acknowledges this. Radiocarbon dating gives is a date at around the time of the European Middle Ages.

https://www.ohiohistory.org/visit/museum-and-site-locator/serpent-mound

https://www.history.com/topics/landmarks/serpent-mound

So not a burial mound but part of, shall we say, a larger burial complex.

[there's absolutely no evidence of any sort of fantastical lost civilization in the area, ]

I add: Or anyplace.

[Occam's Razor cuts very strongly towards it being built by an American Indian culture and not Nephilim or Atlanteans or any other "lost civilization." ]

Yep.

-An Anonymous Nerd

gdave
12/8/2018 01:12:55 pm

[Radiocarbon dating gives is a date at around the time of the European Middle Ages.

https://www.ohiohistory.org/visit/museum-and-site-locator/serpent-mound

https://www.history.com/topics/landmarks/serpent-mound

So not a burial mound but part of, shall we say, a larger burial complex]

I Am Not An Archaeologist or any sort of expert on the Serpent Mound, but my understanding is that there are conflicting radiocarbon dates, with one set dating its construction to c. 300 BCE, during the Adena period, and another set placing construction, as you state, in the European Middle Ages, during the Fort Ancient period. Either way, solidly during well-evidenced occupation of the region by well-attested American Indian cultures.

Also, it's my understanding that while it's possible that the Serpent Mound is associated with nearby burial mounds and could be part of a single burial complex, that's by no means certain. We simply don't know why it was built, and it seems likely we'll never really know.

It's a genuine historical mystery, but of the "boring" kind - why did a known culture build this particular monumental structure in this particular manner in this particular location?

E.P. Grondine
12/8/2018 03:02:54 pm

GDave -

You have happened to stumble into an area I know a little about.

Yes, the Serpent Mound site was used later by Shawnee/Cherokee ancestors. But Lepper did not bother to look at Putnam's excavation notes, which led his mis-dating of its construction. This is simply very bad archaeological prcatice, as you always look at previous excavations before working on a site, and the sooner Lepper admits he screwed up, the better.

The date for construction may be placed with Adena arrival in that area, around 800 BCE - the serpent symbolism is part of their cultural complex

Some of the burials in the area are on a facing ridge, on a local farmer's property,and they are standard Adena stone burials. There were later cremation platforms immediate to the Serpent as well, which are now gone.

What else was in that area, and why? Well, that is beyond the scope of a simple post here. Consider Fort Hill, if you will.

But this is all no mystery, any more than "Hopewell" astronomy is.

gdave
12/8/2018 04:22:06 pm

@E.P. Grondine,

It would easier to understand what you're trying to say if you actually gave some information on who the heck you're talking about. I had no idea who "Lepper" was, for example, and had to do some googling just to figure out who you were trying to discuss.

So, what I've dug up is that Brad Lepper, who worked for the Ohio Historical Society, supervised an excavation in 1996 that found charcoal buried in the mound that was radiocarbon dated to c. 1000 CE, during the Fort Ancient occupation period. Other radiocarbon dated samples collected in 2014 give a date of construction c. 300 BCE, during the Adena occupation period. The charcoal found in 1996 may have been left by later Fort Ancient people who re-used and perhaps modified the mound.

I have no dog in this fight, and as I said, I am neither an archaeologist nor any sort of expert on the Serpent Mound. Still, as I understand it, there's no actual direct evidence tying the Serpent Mound to the Adena culture. It certainly seems likely, given the early radiocarbon dates, there penchant for constructing earthen mounds, and the indisputable evidence that they were living and constructing earthen mounds in the immediate area. It still doesn't seem entirely settled to me.

The fact remains that the Mound is still, as I stated, a mystery, but just of the "boring" variety. Even if we conclude it was definitely constructed by the Adena people c. 300 BCE, which does seem quite likely, we still don't really know why. It does not appear to be a burial mound. It doesn't really seem to match any other known Adena mound complexes. The Adena did not leave us written records, so at best we're left with informed speculation.

E.P. Grondine
12/8/2018 06:09:34 pm

DDave -

"Still, as I understand it, there's no actual direct evidence tying the Serpent Mound to the Adena culture."

Now if you look at Bill Romaine's paper on 14C data from the site, you'll see his statistical analysis.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01461109.2017.1371871

But if you go there you can see pictures of the Adena artifacts Putnam excavated. You can use those for dating, and what you'll find is that Romaine's cluster of early 14C dates are accurate.

Furthermore, if you're really nice sometimes the locals will gift you with artifacts they have found.

By the way, the dis-articulated skeleton in the main and first burial was just shy of 9 feet in length.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/8/2018 06:32:49 pm

Photographs? Was it misplaced? Buried with the Sinclair journals?

gdave
12/8/2018 11:29:06 pm

@E.P. Grondine:

[But if you go there you can see pictures of the Adena artifacts Putnam excavated. You can use those for dating, and what you'll find is that Romaine's cluster of early 14C dates are accurate.]

Here's my understanding: In 1886, Frederic Ward Putnam conducted excavations at the Serpent Mound and two nearby conical mounds. He found extensive Adena artifacts in the conical mounds, consistent with them being burial mounds constructed by the Adena. This seems to be completely non-controversial. However, he did not recover any artifacts from the Serpent Mound itself. He, reasonably, attributed the Serpent Mound to the Adena who also constructed the nearby burial mounds. But, he did not find any direct evidence tying the Serpent Mound to the burial mounds or to the Adena.

I can't find any source that says that any artifacts, Adena or otherwise, have ever been found in the Serpent Mound. In fact, every source I can find says that no artifacts have ever been found in the mound. Every source I can find, including the one that you cite, says that dating has relied entirely on radiocarbon dating of charcoal and other organic detritus. Do you have a good source that says otherwise?

And any cite for "a dis-articulated skeleton in the main and first burial was just shy of 9 feet in length"? Where was this "giant" found? And, since, again, as far as I can tell, no artifacts or human remains have ever been found in the Serpent Mound itself, what does this have to do with it?

By the way, looking at your cite and other materials, I am now pretty well convinced that the Serpent Mound was constructed by the Adena c. 300 BCE. The evidence seems to me to be circumstantial, but pretty strong.

E.P. Grondine
12/9/2018 12:09:37 am

GDave -

While Jeff Wilson has given public talks on some of the results of his research into Putnam's records, I think I have shared about as much of those presentations here as I feel comfortable doing.

I will state that human remains were found in the Serpent proper. You will just have to wait for Jeff's book for all of it, and it is quite a tale - there will be materials which will change the story of archaeology in Ohio, in ways that I am pretty sure you can not imagine - at least I couldn't. There is quite a surprise on its way.

Once again, you can use Romaine's early cluster of dates for the complex - that's "early" Adena for this area, say about 800 BCE or so..

History buff
9/18/2019 10:44:55 am

Many native tribes have outright denied building the mounds. Saying they were there when they got there. Plus, the giants aren't a fabrication. Not only have hundreds of skeletons been found but native people talk about how their ancestors feared them, why, and how they killed some groups of them. Many of those giant skeletons have red hair still attached to the skulls. I resent the fact that people want to blame everything on racism when it just isn't true now or then. There are racist people but by and large people really don't care what color someone is. It's the inside that counts. The ever expanding country pushed people out of the way. It wasn't right to keep making deals then breaking them but much like culture clashes of today they occurred then and alot less people spoke the many native tongues found in America. The Louisiana Purchase changed everything and brought about so called "manifest destiny". All of a sudden there was more land and greed and exploration kicked in. Every step of the way it made European sense but that was never the same as native sense. Like we deal with countries that have different cultures today that don't match the general beliefs of the majority. Sometimes even though everything changes, absolutely nothing changes. Ignorance is rampant in our education system. It's taught with religious fervor! God forbid anyone find out the truth about anything. Let's throw some more books on the pyre. I know you're thinking about carbon dating but even there you must realize that anything that didn't or doesn't fit in the current paradigm is immediately tossed out. Some have gone so far as to turn that land into parking lots. Wake up to reality. Not science. They aren't synonymous.

Scott Hamilton
12/8/2018 10:04:32 am

Some of them are burial mounds, and therefore contain burial goods and remains. Others don't "contain" anything, anymore than a highway or the Eiffel Tower "contain" anything. Many mounds were built to place some other building or ritual site up high, or to mark another location. I did some excavating in Pinellas County, Florida, and there were bunch of mounds there (long since destroyed to be used for road fill) that seem to have acted as path markers, leading to mounds that have survived today at the southern tip of the peninsula. Those were parts of village complexes, and it's possible that some of the mounds were for protection against the weather and erosion, just as we now build concrete seawalls in the same places.

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Priceless Defender
12/8/2018 11:55:22 am

I want to hear their explanations for the Menorah Mound and Aladdin's Lamp.

Why does everyone think the Astronomer Priesthood is/was an all white clan?

The importance of the astronomical marker (often hidden in plain sight) depends upon the accuracy of perceived geometry in the heavens. Much of which range in accuracy from 99.5-99.9%.
See: ISBN 0-8027-1388-2

Why doesn't anyone consider mudbricks? What's left of most of the pyramids of Cahokia? The same as my wife's favorite candy bar...Mounds.

I have never been able to confirm a source, however, I have read and heard claims, "George Washington built his Ranch on top of a mud brick pyramid". If anyone knows where that story originates, I would appreciate an answer.


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An Anonymous Nerd
12/8/2018 12:46:27 pm

[Menorah Mound]

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/did-ancient-jews-build-a-menorah-mound-in-ohio

https://www.asc.ohio-state.edu/mcculloch.2/arch/efw.pdf

Like most of this stuff, you have to work to see what you want to see. I, for example, can see a hand with an extended middle finger and it's about as accurate. In other words there ain't much there save for a cute sounding name. "Line with other lines coming out of it" is not a unique or special shape.

[Aladdin's Lamp]

is a story associated with Disney and the 1001 Arabian Nights.

[George Washington built his Ranch on top of a mud brick pyramid]

Per Googling that phrase the origin seems to be right here. But, hey, after the oddly ridiculous cherry tree story I'm sure someone, somewhere, said that phrase before.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Priceless Defender
12/8/2018 02:01:43 pm

Feel free to show your displeasure with the Holy Roman Empire all you want. Doesn't change the fact these mounds were not unique. There were more examples in other areas. Including elephants, and equilateral triangle circumscribed by circles.

Just because you read the Bible literally, doesn't mean I do. The 10 Lost Tribes has nothing to do with people. If you learned to think symbolically, you might see stars.

Now, I know what Doc meant, when he would say, "never shake hands with a narcissist".

An Anonymous Nerd
12/8/2018 03:11:10 pm

Your replies are taking on an increasingly-random character.

-An Anonymous Nerd

[Feel free to show your displeasure with the Holy Roman Empire all you want. Doesn't change the fact these mounds were not unique. There were more examples in other areas. Including elephants, and equilateral triangle circumscribed by circles.

Just because you read the Bible literally, doesn't mean I do. The 10 Lost Tribes has nothing to do with people. If you learned to think symbolically, you might see stars.

Now, I know what Doc meant, when he would say, "never shake hands with a narcissist". ]

Priceless Defender
12/8/2018 03:48:45 pm

Your cut and paste replies are unnecessarily prolonging the scroll down time.

You mentioned your "extened middle finger"...AKA the bird. AKA the eagle. AKA Showing your displeasure to the Holy Roman Empire. Read some more before you try to insult. It's also best you do that middle finger pointing online. Here in the real world that usually doesn't work out too well for most people.

Judging from your response, you assume facts about me. This makes you just as sloppy as Wolter. He assumes those journals are real, while you assume, I don't know how to use Google, or any other search engine.

I did not make that statement about George Washington up. I have found it written in print, and verbally communicated to me. I have searched for the source long before the internet even came about, dude. Probably longer than you've been alive.

You still haven't addressed the other Mounds. The birds, elephants, bears Etc. Nor have you addressed the equilateral triangles circumscribed by circles. This just happens to match the geometric representation of the Egyptian year. I'm not saying that's what it is. But it sure looks like it.

American Cool Disco Dan
12/8/2018 06:27:25 pm

[You mentioned your "extened middle finger"...AKA the bird. AKA the eagle. AKA Showing your displeasure to the Holy Roman Empire. Read some more before you try to insult. It's also best you do that middle finger pointing online. Here in the real world that usually doesn't work out too well for most people.

Judging from your response, you assume facts about me. This makes you just as sloppy as Wolter. He assumes those journals are real, while you assume, I don't know how to use Google, or any other search engine.

I did not make that statement about George Washington up. I have found it written in print, and verbally communicated to me. I have searched for the source long before the internet even came about, dude. Probably longer than you've been alive.

You still haven't addressed the other Mounds. The birds, elephants, bears Etc. Nor have you addressed the equilateral triangles circumscribed by circles. This just happens to match the geometric representation of the Egyptian year. I'm not saying that's what it is. But it sure looks like it.]

"I'm not saying it's aliens. But it's aliens."

Where does the Holy Roman Empire come into it?

An Anonymous Nerd
12/8/2018 07:08:43 pm

[Your cut and paste replies are unnecessarily prolonging the scroll down time.]

It is prudent to specify what one is responding to.

[You mentioned your "extened middle finger"]

No I didn't. Here's the quote: "Like most of this stuff, you have to work to see what you want to see. I, for example, can see a hand with an extended middle finger and it's about as accurate."

I was pointing out, correctly, that the mound you were pointing to could be described in an alternative way to the way you wished to describe it. I provided links.

[[...AKA the bird. AKA the eagle. AKA Showing your displeasure to the Holy Roman Empire.]]

Origins of the middle finger according to the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16916263

Goes back, maybe, to the time of the Roman Empire but that's not the same as the Holy Roman Empire and, at least as described there, has nothing to do with the Roman Eagles -- which wasn't the symbol of the Roman Empire per se, but a specifically military symbol.

There's really no reason to research it further as it's a tangential point and, at any rate, you're just throwing as much material against the wall as you can. It's a common troll tactic. As is the use of random insults while complaining (falsely or not) about being insulted.

Regarding the other mounds generally: There are a limited number of geographic shapes, so that adequately explains why they seem to reappear in iconography. I also really shouldn't have to explain that humans often depict animals in art, religious symbolism, death rituals, etc. It's part of the human condition.

Much of the rest of your reply is very seriously random and has nothing to do with anything and, accordingly, is difficult, unnecessary, pointless, and rather undesirable to respond to.

*shrugs*

-An Anonymous Nerd

Priceless Defender
12/9/2018 09:36:32 am

Zzzzzzz...zzzz....zzzz...

Bored from cut and paste jobs the Giant sleeps.

Zzzzzzz...zzzzzzz...zzzzzzz

Bored from lack of symbolic thinking the Giant sleeps.

Zzzzzzz...zzzzzzz...zzzzzzz

Bored from responses which epically fail to answer the underlying question...the Giant sleeps.

Bored from knowledge already known, proven inability to think outside the box, proven repeated captious troll behavior...The Giant moves on.

Thank you for making this an even more painful read than Wolters blog.

Instead of spending my money purchasing two of Mr. Colavito's books tomorrow, I will waste it on the Sinclair Journals. More likely to find unfamiliar ideas digging into a steamy pile than this blog.

Thanks Nerd. Due to your vacuity of thought, you have successfully deprived a legitimate author from profit.

*Zzzzzzz*

V
12/9/2018 02:14:25 pm

*sighs* Priceless, you are a piece of work, you know that? Instead of answering someone's points, you descend into mockery and ad hominem attacks. I think we all know who is really a Wolter clone, and it's not Nerd. You have your own viewpoint and you are just bound and determined to die on that hill, apparently, and anyone who tries to point out that it's not a hill, it's a valley is attacked, mocked, belittled, and dismissed.

Please learn how to have an adult conversation.

Priceless Defender
12/9/2018 03:43:25 pm

V,

Did you actually read this exchange without falling asleep? I have never once stated my beliefs. I mentioned a Mound which had duplicates in other geographical areas of the United States.

Aladdin's Lamp is a symbol used within the initiation process of my fraternity. This symbol predates Disney. The Disney comparison itself was that dude's attempt at mockery. I guess you missed that too.

I made a statement about astronomical markers, which is the purpose of some mounds. I repeat...some mounds.

No response containing new, or critical thinking, just cut and paste.

Finally, I asked if anyone knew the source for a story, I have come across multiple times in my life. Did I receive an answer? No. I got accused of making it up myself, along with the suggestion, I am incapable of using a search engine.

Wolter clone??? Ha!!! I am not trying to sell anything. I have a great amount of respect for some of the minds posting here. Many of whom, including yourself, I have peacefully conversed with in the past. I even lost an email account coming to your defense.

Excuse me for mentioning ideas to an author with a demonstrated ability to track down little known sources. There are a few things, I would like to find answers to before, I die. The poster known as "Jim" is the only person who has provided information, I wasn't already aware of.

Sorry for coming to your defense in the past. That was clearly a mistake on my part. May yourself, and Google Boy live happily ever after.


*Powers off phone*


American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/9/2018 04:07:43 pm

Wow, I was about to post "Who wants what date in the pool?" but this might be record. He stayed away a whole six hours.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/9/2018 04:15:30 pm

[Aladdin's Lamp is a symbol used within the initiation process of my fraternity.]

Oh, well! That's settled then!
...

[I even lost an email account coming to your defense.]

Oh, this is the guy who had his Yahoo email taken away from him? He never answered my question about how that happened. How egregious do your acts have to be for Yahoo to come down hard on you?

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/9/2018 08:21:18 pm

Turns out he IS/WAS (who knows?) unable to use Google because he didn't find "the Mount Vernon archaeological site in Black Township, Posey County, Indiana."

https://traffickingculture.org/encyclopedia/case-studies/ge-mound-mount-vernon-site/

Priceless Defender
12/9/2018 08:50:26 pm

Nice try ACDD. I do appreciate the link, however, the Mt. Vernon in question is in Virginia. Wrong state. I do really appreciate the link though. A very interesting story, I knew nothing about.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/9/2018 09:43:04 pm

Internet herpes says what?

[PRICELESS DEFENDER
12/5/2018 11:44:27 am
Jim,

After reading Mr. Colavito's review of his Akhenaten book, I have completely changed my mind . I'll give just three reasons.

1. The double-headed eagle is a symbol for Ninurta, the son of Enlil. This symbol predates the Hittites.

2. The idea of monotheistic dualism can be traced to Zecharia Sitchin. He literally coined the term.

3. The St Louis Arch is indeed a sexual symbol. I know for a fact Wolter got this idea from Alan Butler. I can no longer prove it due to Yahoo deleting my email account. I gave this idea to Butler via private email in 2008.

To me, it seems like the purpose of some sites is to mine the public for information.

AMERICAN COOL "DISCO" DAN
12/5/2018 05:43:02 pm
I would like to hear the story about why Yahoo deleted your email account.

Know what's also a sexual symbol? Every railroad tunnel ever. And Parkay Margarine, "spread'n'ready". The CBS Eye and the NBC PeaCOCK. What is the Capitol Dome but a huge breast with an Indian shaped nipple (yes, the goddess Columbia blah blah)? Fun fact: the Statue of Liberty was constructed without undergarments. Don't even get me started on the Grand Canyon.

But what did it take to get Yahoo to delete your account?

PRICELESS DEFENDER
12/5/2018 07:00:20 pm
ACDD,

St. Columba is the constellation Orion. Columbia seems to refer to the feminine aspect of said constellation.

I am aware of the breast too. Same thing has been sad about the Egyptian pyramids. Again Orion pops up. Sign of the Widow...blah, blah.

There is quite a bit of symbolism encompassed within the archway . The Arch is also a Chevron...Can you see the circle?

If you are, whom I think you might be, you should know the answer to your question. My answer is...I am still not sure.

AMERICAN COOL "DISCO" DAN
12/5/2018 07:25:53 pm
"2. The idea of monotheistic dualism can be traced to Zecharia Sitchin. He literally coined the term."

Not just no but FUCK NO. Badger used it in 1918 in his Zoroastrianism and Judaism. I do not assert that this is the first use of the term.

Even without research, Sitchin and anyone who relies on him can reliably be contradicted on anything whatsoever.

PRICELESS DEFENDER
12/7/2018 07:06:16 pm
I can't speak with certainty about anything pre-1977 when my power of reading manifested. I don't rely on Sitchin for anything. He must not have been aware of the Astronomer Priests tracking orbits other than the planets. Interesting books at the time.]

An Anonymous Nerd
12/8/2018 10:01:36 am

It appears as though he's appropriated a real academic: Rick Woodward, Instructor of Anthropology and Geography at Bossier Parish Community College.

http://www.bpcc.edu/behavioralandsocialsciences/stafffaculty.html

Has anyone written Professor Woodward yet? My suspicion is that he doesn't know, and his comment has the feel of referring to something else entirely and taken wildly out-of-context.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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E.P. Grondine
12/8/2018 11:15:58 am

AN -

I think my favorite story is how Discovery Channe; approached Brad Lepper and told him they were doing a documentary on Ohio's mounds. The footage ended up in "Ancient Aliens". Be sure to ask Lepper about those ancient Alien the next time you see him.

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Jim
12/8/2018 12:37:34 pm

"It appears as though he's appropriated a real academic: Rick Woodward,"

Lots on Woodward's junk on the "nephilim" elongated skulls of Paracas can be found here

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/l-a-marzullis-skull-expert-speaks-out-about-paracas-sub-species

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An Anonymous Nerd
12/8/2018 03:39:29 pm

["It appears as though he's appropriated a real academic: Rick Woodward,"

Lots on Woodward's junk on the "nephilim" elongated skulls of Paracas can be found here

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/l-a-marzullis-skull-expert-speaks-out-about-paracas-sub-species ]

Oh my. Thank you for reminding me about this...I'd forgotten all about that guy. So much for being "appropriated." Looks like he's fully caught. As they say: hook; line; sinker.

Depressing. Oh well.

-An Anonymous Nerd

E.P. Grondine
12/8/2018 10:48:48 am

Well, f**k, Jason. I could write a book about the colonists' theories, but it would be a bit different.

To start off with, my frame of reference is different. Many native peoples remembered the Holocene Start Impact Events, and where they were when they occurred, and thus can be locked onto the archaeological record from 13,000 years ago.

(While my latest work is in circulation among specialists, I do not know when it will make it to the general public. The most important part of it is its notice of the production of fast neutrons in large hyper velocity impacts, and their effect on 14C calibration curves.)

I sum , there were no "Moundbuilders" or "mound builders". That's right, they did not exist. Different peoples used earth to build different structures for different purposes at different times. "Mounds" are what are left of those structures. Nobody was simply piling up dirt.

As far as the colonists' theories go, they varied. But the Marietta remains caused a substantial revision to them, as did the knowledge of the monuments of Meso America. Part of the Shawnee were at war with the colonists until 1795, and this played a large role n the colonists views..

Here in Ohio, the Ohio Historical Society has just started to recognize a few late structures a being Shawnee ancestral, (and they also shut down Ohio's most popular native themed event at the insistence of the Dennings.). OHS's knowledge of Shawnee astronomy is nil. This is despite the work of the Vogelins nearly 100 years ago. Instead they talk about the "Hopewell" as its "scientific"

As far as the Andaste (Adena) go, they were giant cannibals: Read George Alsop's first hand account of them:
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/57811/57811-h/57811-h.htm

The Andaste's large mounds were dug into by colonists looking for treasure. Later they were dug by archaeologists. Again, read Jason Jarrell and Sarah Farmer's book I should mention here that undeniable evidence of their stature is forthcoming, in press.

While the upper class educated colonists had their theories, the common folk did as well. And various Christians, which was about everybody, weer always trying to fit the native peoples into their Bible..

Which brings us to the latest attempt of the colonists to place the Native Peoples into the Bible. By their own document, the Nephilim were on the other side of the world. Because Jarrell does not endorse their theories, these folks go around stating that he is not Christian, which is a lie, and one he resents.

In sum, Jason, you've got a good part of it, but there are a lot of details, and those details matter. In any case, good luck with your effort.

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Jim
12/8/2018 12:42:49 pm

" read Jason Jarrell and Sarah Farmer's book I should mention here that undeniable evidence of their stature is forthcoming, in press."

Jason Jarrell and Sarah Farmer,,,,lol,,,, by in press, do you mean Ancient Origins ??

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E.P. Grondine
12/8/2018 03:07:54 pm

@Jim -

Not, not Ancient Origins.

Yes, Jarrell and Farmer have used Ancient Origins to promote their book. But it is a very good book, and important in that Jarrell has tied many of the newspaper reports to proper excavations.

Jim
12/8/2018 03:37:54 pm

E P Grondine:

OK, so what "press" will this be released in ??
And what pray-tell are Jarrell and Farmers qualifications ?

https://www.ancient-origins.net/users/jason-and-sarah

"Jason Jarrell and Sarah Farmer are investigative historians and avocational archaeologists"

Have they even finished highschool ? Any degrees ?
Everyone commenting on this blog can lay claim to being "investigative historians and avocational archaeologists", do these two have any recognized credentials at all in these fields ?

Fact is that you will recognize any pseudo nutbar at all as viable, as long as they support your crap about Native American giants.

E.P. Grondine
12/8/2018 06:27:17 pm

Jim -

I've never asked them about their college training. But I do know that they know the local sites well enough to have the respect of the local professional archaeologists.

The definitive book on Serpent Mound by Jeff Wilson, former satellite engineer, should be coming out later this year. He did the first LIDAR work on most of the sites here in Ohio.

While you are here, there is something else. The Andaste were assholes, and everyone fought them, and remembered fighting them. I get along well with tribal historians, and that is really the only peer group who matter in this case and in this field.

I simply pass on what was passed on, keeping my understanding of it separate from what was passed on, along with archaeological, geological, and paleo-climate data.

Jason writes about the nuts Fletcher and I have to deal with all of the time.

Jim
12/8/2018 08:23:49 pm

Oh please, just stop already:

"The definitive book on Serpent Mound by Jeff Wilson, former satellite engineer, should be coming out later this year. He did the first LIDAR work on most of the sites here in Ohio."

Who decided it was the definitive book before it is even published ?? LOL
Jeff Willson,,,,,,the crop circle guy ? The guy who gives lectures at Megalithomania Conferences, along with the likes of Graham Hancock and Childress ?
You are like Wolter, trying to legitimize pseudo using woo peddlers and ignoring legit sources.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/8/2018 08:35:18 pm

I'd like to hear more about his career as a "satellite engineer".

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/8/2018 08:56:54 pm

"But I do know that they know the local sites well enough to have the respect of the local professional archaeologists."

But according to you, American archaeologists suck. So people who suck respect them?

E.P. Grondine
12/9/2018 12:25:40 am

Jim, I simply point you to Dragoo and Neuman, "Mounds for the Dead" and Alsop's account linked to above. Both are very legitimate sources.

I think it is not an unreasonable request to ask you not to tell me what is in Jarrell and Farmer's book until you have read it.

Jim
12/9/2018 09:42:43 am

Jeff Wilson's fake annual ritual on Serpent Mound gets shut down due to inauthenticity and complaints from Native Americans.

"The problem, according to the OHC, is the event has nothing to do with the mound's origins or the people who built it thousands of years ago."

http://www.wvxu.org/post/friends-group-upset-about-canceled-winter-solstice-event-serpent-mound#stream/0

Crazy people digging up the mounds and burying crystals and other fakey crap in them

"Unite the Collective posted a video showing people burying “what may be” hundreds of small muffin-shaped devices called orgonites in the mounds, hoping they were “[lifting] the vibration of the earth so we can all rise together.” They describe themselves as Light Warriors."

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/crazy-theories-threaten-serpent-mound-demean-native-heritage-GxExMB0j3U-4rjody_uYAg/

E.P. Grondine
12/9/2018 02:58:31 pm

Jim, you can not believe everything you read.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/9/2018 04:53:08 pm

SMFH

Andy White
12/8/2018 12:54:34 pm

Marzulli offered me a couple of hundred bucks in May to appear in a "film about the Moundbuilders." I declined.

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An Anonymous Nerd
12/8/2018 07:11:27 pm

Seems a wise move. It doesn't even seem like enough money to even be worth considering.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Priceless Defender
12/8/2018 01:07:25 pm

Racism is institutionalized. If, I may, I would like to take you all to my first day of college football practices.

To make a long story short, I found myself as the buffer person between the black, and white young men standing in line to be weighed, measured, poked and prodded, cupped and told to cough. Everyone knew this was coming except me. I was the only one in "whites' and EVERYONE else had boxers. I felt like I was up for sale. I was not happy. Before, I could catch myself, I said, "Damn! The only thing missing is a whip.". I will give the rest without using quotation marks.

WHAT DID YOU SAY, WHITE BOY!!!???

I quickly explained myself and how we were all in this together. All the while, another young man quite larger than the myself was bouncing up and down wanting to pounce upon me. Another young man held him back, telling him to hold on. They called out for another young man. DEX! It seemed like an eternity before the man showed up. DEX asked what I had said. I reiterated my previous comments of feeling like cattle up for sale, and felt like the only thing missing was a whip. DEX looked at me, smiled and said, AND AN AUCTIONEER!!! I laughed and asked where they were keeping the cases of rum we're being traded for.

From myself to Dex, nothing but laughter. All the dudes behind me, bewilderment and fear. The one young man was still amping himself up to pounce, while the young man holding him back finally got him to calm down with the words...This white boy understands. None of these crackers behind us do. He does. Leave him alone. That white boy is cool.

Later that night, I was introduced to Gin and Orange Juice, and lifelong friends.

Calling someone a racist is really incorrect. Racism is institutionalized. I have met bigots of all shapes, sizes, cults, and ethnicities.

Sincerely,

"Nephilim" "White American Devil" "Gringo"

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/9/2018 09:52:30 pm

Wow, you're a real white Doctor King!

"Dear Diary, escaped a beating and made a black friend today."

I don't trust stories where the story teller is the hero.

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Doc Rock
12/8/2018 05:53:59 pm

I think that there were still some Chiefdoms operating in the southeast US when the De Soto expedition arrived. The Natchez were still building and using mounds when the French arrived circa-1700.

I spent about a year working on a statewide survey of mounds. Turns out that many had been misclassified by early archaeologists using the survey technology of the time. In the c

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Doc Rock
12/8/2018 05:57:56 pm

In the course of the survey we frequently did surface collections. Never did find anything other than what would be associated with Indians of the time.

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E.P. Grondine
12/9/2018 12:16:00 am

@Doc -

Jason has written here a short blurb on the DeSoto entrada and the "mounds" they encountered in use. I do not know how much of the history of his entrada was available to the colonists, but in any case it was ignored.

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titus pullo
12/9/2018 05:32:09 pm

Noah Webster I suppose didn't know Europe is based on history...American was and will always be based on philosophy.

And that is from a Brit not an American (Maggie Thatcher).

All Americans whether they came from Asia 40K years ago or EuroAsians starting in 1492 should be given their due.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/9/2018 07:33:12 pm

When the Jamestown colonists escaped their servitude to live with Indians by necessity NOT to "genocide" them, their leaders were less than competent; problems had to be solved, so "democracy emerged".

Apparently "maroon" originally meant someone escaped from servitude and only later acquired its meaning of "shipwreck" or whatever.

Stole that from a guy on C-SPAN today.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?454001-1/marooned

A tiny bit of the story is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hopkins_(Mayflower_passenger)#Early_adventures_in_the_New_World

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Dan
12/9/2018 11:09:13 pm

I love this blog forever.

Like Dave Hargrave's "Arduin Grimoire", I love this blog forever and ever. Like a woobie.

This is so sweet.

I die now. Languishing on my embroidered faintinting couch.

Imdead.

Oh...

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Brady Yoon
12/9/2018 11:56:36 pm

Just because a claim is racially motivated or put forth by racists doesn't mean that it can't be true...the idea that Mound builders were from a lost white race may be neither necessary, desirable, or likely, but it still may nevertheless be true.

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Doc Rock
12/10/2018 12:24:13 pm

People were building different types of mounds throughout much of the present day US going back to roughly the time when the Egyptians were planting their Pharohs in the valley of the kings and some were still doing it in the early 18th century. Never heard of any credible evidence that had anyone other than Indians doing it. This no longer even falls into the realm of a possibility from the perspective of professional scholars.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/10/2018 08:26:03 pm

And because lost white people were super clever they took all the evidence with them.

Let us all remember and never forget, you are the "mile high wall" guy.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/10/2018 08:27:41 pm

Directed at BY, not the Cap'n.

Theoxenos
12/13/2018 04:47:07 am

I have always used Moundbuilders to refer to the native culture(s) that built the mounds thousands of years ago, but I recognise the term has been co-opted by those who believe the mounds were built by non-natives.

Does anyone know of another term used to describe these cultures which recognises they were the result of indigenous peoples?

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Accumulated Wisdom
12/13/2018 04:09:32 pm

Astronomer Priesthood

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American cool "disco" Dan
12/13/2018 05:47:24 pm

"Moundbuilders" is fine. They built mounds. They're apparently not imaginary like Chief's imaginary herds of 7 foot tall Injuns, none of whom have a name.

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manofthehour
12/23/2020 12:52:16 am

Jeffrey Wilson is a new age scammer who give 'talks' about lots of woo-woo subjects and many false claims meant mostly to infer infer infer. He is not a 'satellite engineer' and did not work for NASA, and whatever his book is going to be cannot be declared definitive as nobody's read the freaking thing. The new age activities that take place at the serpent mound can only be described as a collection of egomaniacs attempting all sorts of weird, wacked and bizarre hokey rituals, delusional misinformed nuts who have been trying to connect crop circles, bigfoot, giants, and folklore and mythology to crystal new age nonsense for years now. It's all pretty passe now, the 90s have been over for decades, and these kooks are all still trying to form weird little cults but continue to fail miserably. So all they can do is sell crystals, silly ideas, and quasi-'native' philosophies because they believe their grandmas said they were part Cherokee. Nothing but wack comes from these groups, and they've been doing it for years. Graham Hancock at least comes up with a few interesting things based on... something. Random collections of 'research' which lead nowhere and can't even come up with any kind of narrative only exists to sell these weird momentary delusions which these people have. They sell magical new age retreats, tours, and 'talks' and candles, crystals, rocks and bullshit. You can't find a more useless bunch of empty people with nothing much important to say. They basically mine this mystical nonsense out of archaeology, folklore and ufology and whatever they come up with at their whims. They have no idea what the hell they're even really researching because they have no idea from one day to the next what their lives are about. They're constantly 'organizing' these empty 'events' at places such as Serpent Mound because their lives are devoid of meaning and their egos are all they have.

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