Boy, did I hear it from everyone and his brother yesterday about my review of the season premiere of Curse of Oak Island. The majority of complaints revolved around the appearance of Zena Halpern on the program and her claims about having copies of medieval documents that connect the Knights Templar to Oak Island. Because I should not discuss was said to me privately, I would like to focus on the public issues that emerge from the claims she made on Curse of Oak Islan Analyzing and understanding the maps that Halpern claims are medieval is a matter of public concern. According to the Nielsen ratings for this week, The Curse of Oak Island drew 2.6 million viewers (down about two million from last season, against stiffer network and cable competition), and those 2.6 million viewers were led to believe that Halpern’s maps are worthy of investigation. Halpern agrees, happily appearing on the show and planning to release a book about the map in the near future. Clearly, Scott Wolter agrees as well: He took to his blog to post about Halpern’s map in light of Curse of Oak Island.
I want to briefly mention the obvious: While I believe the map to be a fake, I have no idea who would have fabricated it, or when, or why. Additionally, because there is no original medieval map, only alleged copies (possibly of still earlier copies), there is no way to scientifically analyze the documents to determine the age of the underlying map. The copy looks, at first glance, to be quite recent. The handwriting is inconsistent with the typical styles used prior to the late twentieth century. Note the semi-cursive style alternating with block print, inconsistent with the medieval style, and even most eighteenth or nineteenth century writing. The problems with the map are still more numerous: It contains longitude, for example, half a millennium before Europeans learned to measure it accurately. The longitude lines are measured westward from Paris, as they were in the eighteenth century, while in the medieval period, as in ancient times, the prime meridian was typically assigned to the Canary Islands, the farthest western land then known. Longitude was measured in degrees east of the Canaries, the westernmost point. After exposure to Islamic geography, this meridian was recalculated as falling on the Cape Verde Islands, as we see in the works of Islamic geographers like Yaqut al-Hamani and Europeans like Roger Bacon. (The issue, at heart, was whether the Canaries or Cape Verde should the Fortunate Isles ancient geographers used to establish longitude.) All of this is inconsistent with the supposed 1179 Oak Island map. What, then, is the reason to believe the map medieval? No one has provided any reason to suspect it is old, except for a touching faith that there is a mysterious original that no one has ever seen. Such, though, is life. Without an original map, we have only a modern drawing that claims to represent a medieval map, but which is inconsistent with medieval maps. This is no way to “prove” a medieval voyage to America. I also want to point out an extraordinary statement that the Message to Eagle website posted yesterday accusing another fringe history website of nefarious activities, from harassment to devil worship. Because these allegations came with no supporting evidence, I am not comfortable with repeating them here, but the gist of it was that Message to Eagle feels that the other site was engaging in cyberbullying, plagiarism, and other efforts to cause their site harm. Message to Eagle described the website whose owners have been harassing them as owned by a Greek and an Australian who currently live in South America, and whose site has a vast advertising network and a premium membership package. Only one major fringe history website matches that description, and it is Ancient Origins, run by Ioannis (John) Syrigos, of Greek origin, and the pseudonymous April Holloway, an Australian, both of whom currently live in Ecuador. I am aware of no evidence that the operators of the site in question worship Beelzebub or that they are engaged in any acts of psychological terror. Message to Eagle provided no evidence to support its claims. It does seem, however, that there is a feud brewing between two of the largest and most read fringe history sites.
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Jim
11/18/2016 12:45:52 pm
I believe the different points of measurements as to the starting measurements of longitude were caused by each country choosing its own prime meridian. Spain used the Azores islands, Portugal the Cape Verde Islands, France used Paris, Britain used Greenwich etc. etc.
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Only Me
11/18/2016 01:11:12 pm
Jim, OF COURSE the Templars knew of longitude! How else could they have passed it on to the Portuguese, who would form a joint venture with the Danes, to travel to North America and build a smokehouse that also met the requirements of a boundary marker for a treaty written over two decades later?
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Kathleen
11/18/2016 01:21:02 pm
Only Me, of COURSE they passed it on to the Portuguese since they were already there, reconstituted as the Order of the Knights of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jim
11/18/2016 02:01:02 pm
C'mon you guys,,, Do you have any proof what so ever that the Templars didn't launch and use GPS satellites ? This map could be the smoking gun to prove just how advanced the Templars really were !!!
Jim
11/18/2016 02:06:35 pm
C'mon you guys,,, Do you have any proof what so ever that the Templars didn't launch and use GPS satellites ? This map could be the smoking gun to prove just how advanced the Templars really were !!!
Clint Knapp
11/18/2016 05:33:22 pm
I would like to postulate at this time that the fabled Black Prince/Knight satellite was in fact assembled and launched by the same time-traveling Freemasons who built the moon so their forerunners, the Knights Templar, could navigate to North America to claim it in the name of the Holy Bloodline - thereby paving the way for those same Freemasons to eventually lay claim to the entire continent as the home of their New World Order and its Mega-King: Hulk Hogan.
Only Me
11/18/2016 12:46:25 pm
After reading that article from Message to Eagle, I have to say I didn't find it convincing. Maybe it was the poor writing or the nature of the accusations, but it definitely had a familiar ring to it. I guess I'm not used to seeing the fringe use the same tactics it deploys against sceptics on itself.
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Joe Scales
11/18/2016 01:16:11 pm
Wolter simply explains the Templars' use of longitude as being part and parcel to their "secret knowledge". Keyword "simply"...
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Americangro
11/20/2016 02:47:05 pm
I've done the longitude dance with Wolter and my conclusion is that he is so aggressively ignorant that my default assumption is no matter what he says it's almost certainly wrong.
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Doug Crowell
11/18/2016 01:22:28 pm
Hi Jason. I want to clarify another point made in this article, so that the critiques are assessing the information accurately. When we decided to look deeper into the intriguing suggestions presented in Mrs. Halpern's research, the concerns you outline above regarding the map mirrored our own. The date of 1179 on the map is likely indicative of the date of the alleged voyage, and not a the date upon which the map was created. Zena has not stated that the map was created in 1179AD, only that the details seen on the map were there when the copies of the maps came into her possession. Two dates have been given so far, 1179 and 1347, suggesting, within her research, continued visitation. These dates are within the generally accepted dates of Norse voyages. Until the show reveals more of the investigation into Zena's research, it can not be truly evaluated in proper context. I expect more detail to be revealed as the investigation unfolds in upcoming episodes. Thanks.
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11/18/2016 02:15:58 pm
If the answer is that Halpern told "Oak Island" something different than she told Wolter from 2008 to 2013, then it doesn't do much to help her case. I could draw a map today, label it with medieval numbers and words and make the same case that it "proves" secret knowledge of whatever and is a copy of a copy of a copy. If it is not medieval, it is worthless since anyone could have back-formed it the same way Nicolo Zeno forged the Zeno map. The numbers are, of course, suspicious: 1347 is the date that the Norse from Greenland allegedly came across a party of sailors returning from "Markland" in America according to the Icelandic Annals, among the last Norse contacts with the New World.
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Joe Scales
11/18/2016 02:27:01 pm
Mr. Crowell,
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Tom
11/18/2016 01:22:50 pm
As Internationalists theTemplars would have used only Latin as French was far to mundane for the educated Priests of the Temple to use in correspondence etc
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Jojo
11/18/2016 01:57:28 pm
What you said about the fixing of longitude is correct but there are many hints that this was done long before the seventeenth century. The Greeks and Egyptians had water clocks. The clepsydra of the Tower of the Winds of Athens was said to include a clepsydra or pressurized water clock. So relative accuracy in the fixing of longitude was possible. La Londe also speculated about accurate longitude being computed by using the moon, sun, and stars. Jefferson even discussed this in a letter. So while the practice was not common there was some tech that would have made this possible yet not as accurate as later w/ the advent of nautical clocks. In my reading I have also found that most info in this realm centers only on how mariners could compute this and not from a fixed point on land. Astronomy also also allows relative comparison of ephemeris to plot position. These new Oak Island maps remind me of some of the fakery surrounding the Rennes le Chateau mystery and how later people intentionally throw B.S. in the game to confuse the truth. There is no treasure at Oak Island and there is a wealth of historical evidence pointing to this. It is another Enochian mystery first arranged by the French inhabitants of Acadia and later expanded upon by their English Norman cousins. Pointing out period maps that are inaccurate does not prove that people could not fix longitude before the seventeenth century. Part of the problem with this was calculating the exact size and shape of the earth. If a map was drawn at a smaller scale that did not include vast distances relative accuracy was easier to obtain. Were these maps as accurate as Google Earth? No. But they did have some relative accuracy that made them valuable clues as to what was going on in the past. In addition much of this info was hidden and cloistered. Though this new OI info is questionable your assumption that men could not calculate longitude before the seventeenth century is wrong in my opinion.
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11/18/2016 02:17:57 pm
They calculated longitude, but not as accurately as after the invention of the modern clock. Previously longitude was plagued with errors, and existing ancient and medieval charts giving the coordinates of cities (not maps drawn to a scale) demonstrate this. They simply give incorrect values due to error-prone calculations.
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Jojo
11/18/2016 08:05:20 pm
I agree. I am sometimes left wondering if some of them did know how to do it. Obviously if this was known it was difficult to calculate and may have been hidden information. In addition operator error, use of different scales, and sizes and shapes of the earth used made it difficult to share information. Anything close to today's accuracy was not obtained until the era you claim. I am only saying it is possible some could do this in the past. I suspect John Dee was capable of this but this is just during the era you suggest it could be done w/ relative accuracy.
Weatherwax
11/18/2016 04:28:54 pm
Water clocks can be exceptionally accurate on a stable platform, but will not be functional in any way on board a ship.
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Americanegro
11/20/2016 02:53:56 pm
"Part of the problem with this was calculating the exact size and shape of the earth." A problem solved by the ancient Greeks. Be smarter.
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Patrick
11/20/2016 05:47:51 pm
The Arabs re-confirmed it in the 9th century when they established a degree of latitude was equivalent to 56 2/3 Arabic miles [read folios 22b and 23a): http://cosmos.bodley.ox.ac.uk/hms/unilister.php?show=chapters&expand=732,814,&act=click_title_2#a2
SDO
11/18/2016 02:03:28 pm
Personally, I like Curse of Oak Island. This season, albeit 1 episode and 1 "Drilling Down" are so far the best (IMO) and most promising. I also personally love this blog and the work you do in pointing out issues / problems / falacies / etc with the various topics you cover. To become informed on any topic one needs to observe and review a variety of viewpoints. Being Canadian and having past experience with OI, my family visited it 40 or so years ago and as a kid I read a few stories, it is something that has some interest. I wouldn't say a fascination though, just a curiosity. Any adventure of this sort I find interesting. Although there is obviously some editing and promotion of various ideas I do not find it too outrageous and they seem willing to shutdown areas that prove to be wrong (roman sword for example). In comparison to Ancient Aliens, I find little similarity and would put the two shows into completely different categories. AA we watch purely for the (unintended) comedy.
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SDO
11/18/2016 02:08:01 pm
P.S. ...
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11/18/2016 02:33:44 pm
Ancient Aliens and Curse of Oak Island share the same production company, Prometheus Entertainment... and even the same announcer. Both fabricate history, distort truth and bury actual science. You may like the Oak Island show, and it is intended as entertainment along the staged, reality television genre, but I wouldn't consider that they will ever actually find anything "promising", given that the notion of treasure on Oak Island is, and has always been, a hoax.
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SDO
11/18/2016 02:53:19 pm
No worries. I have no aspirations of them finding anything substantial but I suspect that there may be some items there as there are in many locations up and down the coast and from years and decades of previous treasure seekers. It is fun to hope. As for being a hoax, I'm not convinced either way. Similarly, IF there was actually something there at some point there is no guarantee that it is still there. I'd be hesitant to make any definitive declaration. All I know for sure is that I am happy I'm not the one paying the bills! (I'm aware of the sword issue too as I've been reading Jason's blog for many years - but thanks I appreciate the clarification)
Joe Scales
11/18/2016 11:57:27 pm
There is no historical, archeological nor scientific basis for anything to have been hidden there. Period. Yes, there is an anecdotal source in the form of a not so uncommonly told tale that evolved over the years, but even that is wholly suspect when taken at face value. I mean... who buries the world's greatest treasure and then leaves a tackle block hanging over the dig site.
Susan Bracken
8/19/2020 07:31:51 pm
The Copyright date for your link is 1995. If I am not mistaken it is 2020. A lot has transpired in that time period of 25 years. Yes, there is a definite entertainment factor but there is also a quest factor that Rick points out frequently. I believe for many of us it is the idea that humans have done some amazing things in the past and trying to discern the real from the questionable is part of what interests me. The finds of past cultures, while not vast treasure, is enticing. Seeing pieces that have been academically tested and proven to be very old is interesting. The journey is the thing, not whose ideas are scams or whose discoveries are not valid. Why try to tear down something that the whole family can watch and learn about how we work together to try and figure something out about our ancestors?
Joe Scales
11/18/2016 02:39:40 pm
Oh, and as for the sword story they shut down... the entire issue was portrayed to bait someone that had appeared on the show in the past and had burnt bridges attempting to profit from it in a most fraudulent manner. This suspect character took the bait thinking he'd get the scoop ahead of the production company, made too much of the sword on his own trying to see his wares and then was justly burnt for it when it was revealed to be no more than obvious fakery.
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Joe Scales
11/18/2016 02:52:56 pm
That should be "sell his wares" above, not see his wares... which is actually sort of funny, because I'm not sure anyone has seen them either.
DaveR
11/18/2016 02:21:43 pm
Without evidence supporting the existence of a medieval original map, the copies should be considered highly suspect. Claims the copies or made from the original, or from copies of the original, when being made by people having a vested interest in these maps being taken as authentic should also be suspect.
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SDO
11/18/2016 02:56:24 pm
I am a bit surprised that they don't show more of the authentication and validation process on the show. I'm sure that they must do *some* investigation before taking 3rd party stuff into consideration. They don't seem to be stupid people and / or willing to just throw their money away without some reason.
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Mike Morgan
11/18/2016 05:38:06 pm
"I'm sure that they must do *some* investigation before taking 3rd party stuff into consideration. They don't seem to be stupid people and / or willing to just throw their money away without some reason."
Joe Scales
11/19/2016 10:44:33 am
It's clear that the production company, Prometheus Entertainment, is calling the shots by bringing in their fringe rogues gallery; some of whom crossover from their other show, Ancient Aliens. Truth doesn't matter. Facts do not matter. Geology doesn't matter. Historical accuracy doesn't matter. You can't get around it. The Laginas are complicit in perpetrating a fraud by continuing this farce.
Kathleen
11/18/2016 02:27:53 pm
When mathematicians and astronomers throughout cultures and the centuries calculate the circumference of the earth, did they all divide it into 360°?
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Time Machine
11/18/2016 03:14:26 pm
COME ON KATHLEEN !!!
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Time Machine
11/18/2016 03:17:37 pm
Question: What do you think about the Oak Island Myths?
Kathleen
11/18/2016 03:26:18 pm
C'mon TM! You already know how I stand on Science and Faith. CCC159
Time Machine
11/18/2016 03:28:56 pm
C'mon Kathleen, Hitler loved playing the role of chief rabbi in the synagogue.
Kathleen
11/18/2016 03:30:17 pm
You make me chuckle.
CCC159
11/18/2016 03:42:19 pm
"What indeed has Athens to do with Jerusalem? What has the Academy to do with the Church? What have heretics to do with Christians? Our instruction comes from the porch of Solomon, who had himself taught that the Lord should be sought in simplicity of heart. Away with all attempts to produce a Stoic, Platonic and dialectic Christianity!"
Kathleen
11/18/2016 03:53:25 pm
What a lovely day. Have the leaves changed color where you live?
CCC159
11/18/2016 03:56:34 pm
"It is therefore better, as I have said, that one should have no knowledge whatever of of any one reason why a single thing in creation has been made, but should believe in God, and continue in his love, than that, puffed up through knowldege of this kind, he should fall away from that love which is the life of man; and that he should search after no other knowledge except the knowledge of Jesus Christ the Son of God, who was crucified for us, than that by subtle questions and hairsplitting expressions he should fall into impiety." Irenaeus, Adversus Haereses II.39.I.
Weatherwax
11/18/2016 04:41:41 pm
As much as you're always off topic and unhinged, you really seem to lose it when Kathleen posts.
Uncle Ron
11/19/2016 04:41:34 pm
Now that we've had our daily dose of abject stupidity, could someone please answer Kathleen's question? I'd like to know too.
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Only Me
11/19/2016 06:50:17 pm
Kathleen, according to this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_(angle):
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Jim
11/19/2016 08:48:45 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_longitude
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Time Machine
11/18/2016 03:15:36 pm
The Maccabees, that's historical reality.
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Pete the Rocker
11/22/2016 10:25:41 am
Jesus didn't come to 'dispel' scripture,
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David Bradbury
11/18/2016 03:20:11 pm
Needless to say, the map obeys most of the cardinal rules for a "hard to disprove" document. It doesn't claim to be the original, and it uses a very simple vocabulary (which itself, being mostly indistinguishable from modern French, can anyway be claimed to be a translation from the original language).
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Time Machine
11/18/2016 03:27:28 pm
Hey, David Bradbury,
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11/18/2016 03:47:22 pm
How does rejecting an idea mean that it didn't inspire the modern version? They reject Beauvois because he is the lineal ancestor of the claim and they wish to present themselves as distinct from it. He was the first to make it, and Frederick Pohl was familiar with him and used him in developing his Templar/Nova Scotia connection, which underlies the modern Oak Island claim.
Time Machine
11/18/2016 03:59:12 pm
>>>They reject Beauvois because he is the lineal ancestor of the claim and they wish to present themselves as distinct from it<<<
David Bradbury
11/18/2016 06:34:54 pm
- and yet here we are with a document allegedly dating from decades or centuries before Henry Sinclair, of which the "copy" we have is in French. Maybe it has been decided that the Sinclair claim is a dead-end.
Peter Geuzen
11/18/2016 05:35:57 pm
Given that mapgate has happened just in the first episode, let’s keep in mind there are at least 12 more episodes to happen. By the time the shows builds the drama to the grand finale in the last couple episodes, whatever happened in episode 1 may be dead and forgotten. This has been a pattern in the past. Who can even remember what happened in the first episode last year or the year before, or countless mid season episodes before the finale. What happened to Aztec guy and the Enochian chamber and the countless walks through the swamp, etc. etc. Dead ends come and go. Some just get ignored, some get debunked, and some get nuked to oblivion like the sword. Basically, this season started with most of everything done in the past, tossed aside. The same might happen to this map, or dare I speculate WILL happen to this map. Doug is under non-disclosure for the season. He is nonetheless trying to be as forthcoming as possible. His team do research for the island and this includes both hard science/engineering and humanities. He may have simply been asked to look at and interpret what the map says, not necessarily interpret what the map is in terms of real or fake. Maybe the longitude point will come out in the next show. The truth will be obvious if the things the map supposedly points to, turn out to be nothing. If they do turn out to be nothing then the credibility of the source is shot and the other stuff from her also gets tossed out as useless. By episode 3 they may simply be on to the next hook - tunnels to Atlantis or whatever.
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11/18/2016 05:45:28 pm
Regardless of what the show does, Zena Halpern and Scott Wolter are both advocating for its authenticity in their books and, with Wolter, online.
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Peter Geuzen
11/18/2016 06:26:19 pm
I know, it's to be expected based on their motives. Wolter nonetheless notes provenance is sketchy. Whatever book she produces will be interesting to see. I expect nothing of substance honestly. I assume there will be no analysis of paper and ink, no expert scholarly interpretation on Templar content, no chain of custody other than fabricated, and no original source corroboration other than fabricated.
David Bradbury
11/18/2016 06:37:58 pm
Analysis of paper and ink would tell us very little of use anyway, given the prior acknowledgement that the map is a "copy".
Peter Geuzen
11/18/2016 07:06:56 pm
David - I'm referring to the original that Zena supposedly has which is the 1700s copy that Wolter mentions. I take it that there might not actually be an alleged original from 1179.
David Bradbury
11/19/2016 06:01:23 am
"1700s copy" is, as I recall, pretty much the exact excuse that was used to explain the notorious "Zheng He" map:
Joe Scales
11/20/2016 12:04:51 am
And it's not even the first time out of work fringe theorists latched onto the Oak Island express.
John
11/18/2016 08:22:11 pm
Oak Island again... Holly cow!
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Kathleen
11/18/2016 09:28:18 pm
They fling poop around like monkeys...
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Jim
11/18/2016 10:31:27 pm
First known maps of Americas :
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John
11/19/2016 01:21:12 am
What about Piri Reis? Showing Antartica (with animals, lakes, forests, e.g., and a lot more from ancient world maps with latitude and longitude?
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Tom
11/19/2016 02:41:13 am
The Reiss map merely speculates the existence of a vast southern continent to balance the northern continents: it also omits most of the coastline of South America, since at the time it was produced that coastline had not yet been explored by the European adventurers.
John
11/19/2016 05:16:29 am
For sure you have no idea about what you speak Tom. Take a look in your precedent comment:
Only Me
11/19/2016 05:31:39 am
John, here's a good article about the Piri Reis map:
David Bradbury
11/19/2016 06:22:17 am
- and another one, with some neat illustrations:
John
11/19/2016 06:38:32 am
Thank you "Only me" and David Bradbury. :)
GEE Torresso
11/19/2016 11:31:08 am
Good point made Jim
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Jim
11/19/2016 07:01:58 pm
These were the earliest maps made by the Spanish and Portuguese, and nary a mention of longitude being on any of them!
SDO
11/19/2016 09:07:57 am
Speculating on the "map" based on what was shown on TV is pointless. Looked like a photocopy or fax. It could have been traced from an original, a copy of a hand drawn copy with later translations added, or a number of other things. Similar to sword-gate, unless the original is provided and analysed there are too many questions. But as stated above, who knows. Maybe in episode 2 they abandon it.
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John
11/19/2016 09:08:55 am
David Bradbury's link about Piri Reis map looks like be more serious and true than any other document. The comments were pretty good too.
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John
11/19/2016 09:12:49 am
I'm sorry about what I said Tom.
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Tom
11/19/2016 09:44:39 am
Actually, I have a theory of how the Templars got to America without anybody seeing them on route.
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GEE Torresso
11/19/2016 11:32:50 am
Wow very interesting comments. This discussion has put another light on Episode 1 for me.
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Titus pullo
11/19/2016 05:10:40 pm
I'm not that knowledgable with regards to longitude calculation without an accurate clock that is portable and accurate fir a long period of time and in many cases can withstand a sea voyage accurately. Did the early explorers use dead reakoning? Or is there an astronomical method known before the 18th century?
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Jim
11/19/2016 06:34:14 pm
Titus, Some good info in wiki:
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Jim
11/20/2016 12:16:00 pm
Paris as the French prime meridian never came into use until 1667 !!! I wonder why the Templars used it in 1178 ?
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JC
1/3/2017 08:34:44 am
Not only are you right on the map being a fake. Someone spent some money to make sure it went through the ringer alittle. You can see clearly that someone used modern ink when they traced an already known map. You can see that in the lines as they have little bleed and theres no splotching really. This only tells me a couple of things. One of them being the entire thing is a hoax by the McGinnis family and the second being they are trying to carry Oak Island in a new saga because Templars bring more money and the pirate stories are flat out lies.
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Hans
3/6/2018 03:21:46 am
Jason,
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