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"Lost Giants" Guest Terje Dahl Claims Ancients Were Ruled by Separate Species of Blond Nordic Geniuses

11/27/2014

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I wasn’t planning to post anything today since it is a national holiday, but I had a hard time resisting after gigantologist Terje Dahl from Tuesday’s Search for the Lost Giants stopped by my blog to promote his website. The Norwegian explorer wanted my readers to view his web pages on the dangers of gigantology and the advanced technology of the Denisovans, the ancient human species that occupied parts of Asia down to about 40,000 years ago. I was being generous when I excused Dahl’s references to the advanced technology of the Densiovans as a relative comparison between the Denisovans and contemporary Cro Magnon humans in Europe. It turns out that I gave him too much of the benefit of the doubt.
Dahl maintains that fringe researchers and archaeologists whom he refuses to name have warned him that his research into giants is “dangerous,” but he says that no one will tell him why it is dangerous. He notes, though that he has been “discredited” for his research. It’s not hard to see why. He relies on fringe books, willful misinterpretation, and fabricated claims to support his ideas, which have a disturbing racial tinge.

According to Dahl, the Denisovans had “high speed drilling,” and he knows this because—and try to follow this—the pyramids were built by advanced technology and the Egyptian gods invented such technology; therefore, the Denisovans were technological sophisticates who were mistaken for gods. This is the gigantological version of the ancient astronaut theory. He goes on to bring in all the greatest hits of ancient astronaut and lost civilization theories, from the supposed high tech construction of the Great Pyramid to allegations of ancient Egyptian light bulbs, and even the long-discredited claim from Zecharia Sitchin that the cartouche of Khufu found in the relieving chambers above the Great Pyramid’s King’s Chamber are fraudulent. He even repeats the claim that the pyramid is at the “center of the earth’s landmass,” a claim first made by Charles Piazzi Smyth in 1864, but wrong even then, as I noted in 2012.

He bases all of this on a line from a 2010 Time magazine article, which quoted researcher Johannes Krause on the discovery of Densiovan bones:
“The fossil was found with modern technology and ornaments, including a very beautiful bracelet,” he says. “It’s a big step to argue that the Denisova hominin created them — if you find a Coca-Cola bottle near a mummy's tomb, you don’t assume that the mummy invented Coke. But the coincidence is tantalizing.”
Krause was using “modern” to refer to the types of artifacts created by anatomically modern humans like Cro Magnons (as opposed to Homo erectus or other pre-human species), but Dahl interprets this to mean that there was “modern technology” in the twenty-first century sense—despite the lack of any such thing in site reports.

Dahl goes one to offer what seems to be a fake quote from Diodorus Siculus to support the idea that the Egyptians came from elsewhere. This quote is popular on mystery-mongering sites, but it doesn’t appear in Diodorus so far as I am able to tell:
The Egyptians were strangers, who, in remote times, settled on the banks of the Nile, bringing with them the civilization of their mother country, the art of writing, and a polished language. They had come from the direction of the setting sun and were the most ancient of men.
I believe the quotation originates with Charles Berlitz in Atlantis: The Eighth Continent (1984); I can trace it back no further. Berlitz was no stranger to fabricating quotations. He helped generate the fake Mahabharata passage popularized by David Childress.

Diodorus actually says the following in 1.10: “When in the beginning the universe came into being, men first came into existence in Egypt, both because of the favourable climate of the land and because of the nature of the Nile.” Humans, he said, were indigenous to Egypt.

Oh, and Dahl then descends into crazy racist ideas by arguing that the Egyptians had four races, over which ruled the “Nordic” people. “The divine kings, the ‘Gods’, of Egypt were often depicted as white skinned, blond, blue eyed and very tall people with Caucasian features and a long skull.” He recognizes that this is a problem because it’s racist to say it, but he neatly solves this by arguing that the “Nordic look” is actually a sign of Denisovan heritage—that Nordic people are literally a separate and superior species! 
Some speculate that the Egyptian pharaohs were a total different species than human beings. […] Our archaic cousins the Denisovans were genetically distinct from both Homo Sapiens and Homo Neanderthal but is believed to have interbred with both. A cross between a tall Cro-Magnon and Denisovans could have produced a very tall homo species with a very long skull!

[...] The mummies of the pharaohs that are found show fair skin, blond or reddish hair, and blue eyes. Not exactly Egyptian! The Nordic people of the time did not have those Nordic features either - we have to move to where the Caucasian rase [sic] came from; The Caucasus Mountains! Oh yeah, we are very close to the Denisova cave now!
It’s convenient that no matter how fringe thinkers look at things—whether attributing history to Aliens, Atlantis, Denisovans, secret Jesus blood, etc.—it always ends up with magic white people having the imperative to rule. In fact, Dahl goes further than most fringe theorists and argues that the whitest of white people have the imperative to rule, that only true aristocrats are tall enough, white enough, and blond enough to be god-kings of giant extraction, at least until their genes filtered down to the masses through miscegenation. 

These giant white super-gods failed in the end because they interbred with too many small non-white people and lost their brain power as each generation grew smaller and lost skull size and brain capacity. As a result, they instigated a catastrophic pole shift that wiped them out, commemorated as the Great Flood. Somehow this is all related to global warming, Nikola Tesla, and the 2012 Maya apocalypse.

They really ought to have disclosed Dahl’s beliefs on Search for the Lost Giants. I’d think that having on a man who argues that a Nordic elite ruled over non-white people because they are the descendants of a separate and superior species of godlike super-geniuses ought to be enough to disqualify him from the History Channel. He joins the long line of individuals who have expressed racist and anti-Semitic views but have nevertheless received exposure on History’s fringe shows. Frankly, you’d think someone at Prometheus Entertainment (the producer of Lost Giants) would have learned something from the last time this happened—just a few months ago—when In Search of Aliens accidentally endorsed convicted anti-Semite Jan Van Helsing as a serious researcher in the glorious achievements of Nazism. Now we have Lost Giants endorsing a man who argues, in effect, that white people are a separate and superior species.
29 Comments
EP
11/27/2014 02:52:09 am

"Somehow this is all related to... Nikola Tesla"

(twitches slightly)

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DTG
11/28/2014 05:33:58 am

Obviously, Tesla used his Death Ray to generate the Tunguska blast to hide evidence such as this! It all makes sense!

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EP
11/28/2014 10:52:32 am

It's not a ray, it's a beam! Tesla said so himself! :P

Scott Hamilton
11/27/2014 06:32:29 am

So this guy is a slight variation on Andrew Collins, though Collins proposed his theories before the Denovians were found, and was therefore stuck using the much less sexy Swinderians for his super-people.

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Kal
11/27/2014 06:51:45 am

Only Caucasians have 2 to 7 percent DNA from Neanderthals. Darker skinned people from Africa do not have any, and would be considered a purer bloodline than the whites. Ironic. In some cases, brutish sports players seem to have more cave man DNA than say sedentary humans. It was probably the same in ancient times. It was also colder in ancient Europe than it is today. Egyptians did not invent the bi g headed tall skull idea. Other people did across the world. They had a different aesthetic and bound babies heads. It wasn't to imitate some kind of aliens.

The fringe mixes modern and ancient times all the time.

The Egyptians were coppery skinned. They were not white. In the movies they are depicted whiter because they didn't cast Egyptian actors. It's like claiming Jesus was white, whereas he was likely olive skinned or darker. He wasn't chocolate brown, but he was likely similar to the ancient Israelites who came from Egypt and who looked somewhat like the Palestinians and Isrealites today.

The fringe likes to go on about Vikings also, but there are colonial Norse descendants all over America from modern times. No way to tell anymore. It's all cross contaminated.

At Puma Punku there are ancient tools lying around but the AA people ignored them and pretended aliens did it, but this other fringe guy is like, no the tools were super modern at the other site. Right.


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Duke of URL
11/29/2014 02:32:38 am

"Only Caucasians have 2 to 7 percent DNA from Neanderthals. Darker skinned people from Africa do not have any, and would be considered a purer bloodline than the whites."
Is this accurate? I was under the impression that Neanderthals' "range" reached way down into Africa.

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Shane Sullivan
11/27/2014 12:38:17 pm

"...they interbred with too many small non-white people and lost their brain power as each generation grew smaller and lost skull size and brain capacity."

Right, because brain size is the determining factor for intelligence. That's why sperm whales have developed a Type II civilization on the Kardashev scale, and Kim Ung-Yong wheels his head around on a furniture dolly. =P

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EP
11/27/2014 01:15:20 pm

Kim Ung-Yong? That was... random... :)

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Shane Sullivan
11/27/2014 05:24:55 pm

Well, what with his IQ and all, I figured he would be an appropriate example...

Anyhow, I know you have your reasons for not revealing your name, EP, so if you're Kim Ung-Yong, I won't ask. =P

EP
11/27/2014 05:44:59 pm

Nah, I didn't peak as early as he did :P

The Other J.
11/27/2014 03:36:25 pm

Heh.

Remember that Indonesian hobbit, Homo floresiensis? Despite being tiny, an area of their brain -- frontal lobes, Brodmann's area, all about planning and language and a large part of what makes us human -- was comparatively massive and gnarly. It was proportionally much larger than the same area in the Homo erectus brain, about the same size as ours, but had a much smaller body and fewer demands that larger bodies require. So in effect, in their day they were wizards compared to other contemporary branches of the human species.

Also turns out that despite having the brain the size of a walnut, crocodiles can be taught commands like dogs.

It's not always the size that matters, its the way it's used. (Ugh.)

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EP
11/27/2014 04:27:12 pm

Homo erectus... heh...

Okay, my sense of humor is juvenile, sue me! :P

Shane Sullivan
11/27/2014 05:21:48 pm

J! Haven't seen you around much in awhile.

Funny you should mention hobbits, though; I was thinking about using Floresiensis as an example, but I wasn't comfortable citing something I only knew from wikipedia, so I went with the whale thing instead. I was not aware of the learning capacity of crocodiles, however.

The Other J.
11/28/2014 03:16:10 am

I didn't know about the crocs either, until recently. It started with a guy in India who was spotted by researchers -- he trains crocs like you'd train dogs. They come up to him for treats, sit, wait, etc. So the researchers -- in Africa, along a river where people have been eaten by crocs -- took this on board to see if you could train wild crocs to avoid certain human-populated areas by the sound of a bell. If a croc could learn oprerant behavior, it shouldn't be an issue.

So the researchers rigged up these zappers on heavy tires baited with meat and a bell. The wild crocs would come up out of the water after the meat, but as soon as they bumped the tire, the bell would ring and they'd get a light electric zap they didn't like. It didn't take long before the first test crocs were backing off, and then reacting to the bell.

So the wild crocs with the walnut-sized brains could learn at a surprisingly high level. No idea if the crocs pass on that information to other crocs (stay away from the tires and the bells, dude), but it'd be fascinating if they did.

The researchers are named Rom Whitaker and Dr. Patrick Aust. I first found out about it on PBS, and have since seen a few articles hear and there, especially about the guy in India who trains crocs like dogs. You might be able to see the documentary online -- I know it's not giants, but at least there's actual evidence of trained wild crocs. http://www.pbs.org/program/operation-maneater/

Only Me
11/28/2014 05:40:45 am

J, if what Whitaker and Aust are doing works, I can see the plausibility of trying operant conditioning in Australia. Of course, that depends on if the conditioning can have an effect on saltwater crocs!

It's too bad someone can't try operant conditioning on the executives who want fringe-themed shows in favor of shows like /Cosmos/. That's a joke, by the way, for the humor-impaired.

The Other J.
11/28/2014 11:26:31 am

Only Me, are you in Australia?

If it works in Africa, it ostensibly should work with any crocodilian. Even though their brains are tiny, certain parts of their brains are pretty dense, so they all should be able to learn. Man, I'd love to see a trained saltwater croc. That'd be almost as good as having a trained dinosaur.

EP
11/28/2014 02:36:29 pm

Are you sure that different crocodillians don't differ too greatly in terms of their learning potential? Because to me that's far from obvious...

The Other J.
11/28/2014 03:54:11 pm

EP,

Who said I was sure? Because I didn't.

If that same part of their brain is similarly structured, then it's possible. But that's why I qualified my previous statement with "if" and "ostensibly," and never said I was sure about anything. I'm no lizard neurologist, but there's evidence of operant conditioning in both Africa and India, and those aren't the same crocs.

EP
11/28/2014 04:03:17 pm

You know, it's totally my fault. I totally didn't notice that you said "ostensibly". Now I feel like an idiot :)

Only Me
11/28/2014 06:57:24 pm

No, J, I'm not in Australia. I just know that they have an ongoing problem with salty attacks, and the last I heard, salties were starting to be found in areas with fresh water. I think any positive results from operant conditioning would be seriously considered as an alternative in the Land Down Under.

In regards to the article, I'm actually surprised Dahl hasn't already tied the alleged Solutrean expansion into North America to his proto-super society Denisovans.

Duke of URL
11/29/2014 02:35:34 am

"in their day they were wizards"
Don't be silly - Hobbits/Halflings can't be Wizards, they can only be Illusionists.

Only Me
11/29/2014 08:51:44 am

@Duke of URL

Heh. D&D reference. +1 internets for you :)

EP
11/29/2014 11:02:52 am

I thought it was gnomes who could only be illusionists, not halflings...

required
11/27/2014 06:11:21 pm

I feel I must defend my country by pointing out that Dahl has absolutely no credibility in Norway.
He is a frequent commenter on online newspaper articles that can be connected to fringe theories (climate change, archeology, astronomy, etc…), but is not a publicly well known figure.
AFAIK Dahl is not very popular among the usual gaggle of lunatics peddling conspiracy theories and fringe ideas in Norway, most likely because he doesn't subscribe to the ancient aliens bs. And if you don't believe in the Annanaki (sp?) you don't get to play with the cool kids.

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Titus pullo
11/28/2014 12:26:55 am

Darn it. I've been checking the Caucasian box in applications and govt census for years and as a five nine olive skin brown eyes and black hair I was just a poser. Well my son us six three and has blue eyes so at least he made it to the ruling race.

Where do these guys get these ideas?

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The Other J.
11/28/2014 11:23:55 am

I'm about like you, except with green eyes, and my brothers are about like your sons. Either my brothers and I are different species, or my parents weren't straight with me regarding my provenance.

Or, y'know, the giant blond race thing is crap.

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EP
11/28/2014 02:37:52 pm

Don't know whether that makes sense genetically... You sure you're his real father? :P

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spookyparadigm
11/28/2014 04:51:02 am

um...

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2012/august/denisovan-dna-suggests-a-dark-complexion-and-interbreeding113697.html

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11/29/2014 08:42:07 pm

thanx, spooky

the last neandertal populations often showed
signs of stress. a recent "secrets of the dead"
episode deals with cannibalism in 40,000 b.c.
even if we moderns are not as actualized as our
hunter/gatherer ancestors of 40,ooo to 50,ooo
years ago, we live easier lives than they. culture.
a knowledge revolution. its as simple as that.

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