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Luis Elizondo Offers UFO Opinions But Few Facts in New Blog Post

9/6/2018

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On Tuesday, Luis Elizondo, the former head of the unclassified Pentagon program mandated by Congress to explore “unidentified aerial phenomena” who now works as the head of security for Tom DeLonge’s To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, posted a blog discussing the importance of UAP research for national security. While it is, at the grossest level, a fairly standard argument that America needs to study any potential threat to guard against it, it contains some interesting contradictions that suggest that Elizondo is making up at least as much as he claims to expose from his time in government. It is worth taking a look at some of the assumptions that seem to undermine the argument Elizondo claims to be making.
​The biggest problem is the underlying assumption that Elizondo makes but immediately says there is no evidence to support, namely that the “phenomenon” is actually “technology”: “I worked with a team to assess whether a particular chess piece — in this case in the form of an unfamiliar aerial technology — was a threat to our side of the chess board.” But he went on to decry “how little UAPs are understood” and that basically everything about them is “a complete mystery.” ​So, if that is the case, how does he know that they are “technology” and not something else? After all, his own partners at To the Stars, including Hal Puthoff, have suggested that these aerial phenomena could be related to poltergeists and have a psychical rather than a physical presence.
 
The answer is fairly obvious: He doesn’t know. If he did have proof, then his own blog post must be an intentional lie, since he would be speculating about the many possibilities that could explain information whose truth he knows. He also hides behind the mystery of classification, claiming that UAP information is classified, even though the program he worked for was not classified and then-senator Harry Reid appealed to the undersecretary of defense to increase its security standing.
 
That’s why the following passage makes so little sense:
From a national security perspective, exploitation is the holy grail of endeavors. It’s critical to determine whether UAP technology could be reverse-engineered and used to our benefit, but we can’t exploit such technology unless we first understand it.
 
When it comes to UAPs, the U.S. knows less than it should, and perhaps much less than our adversaries.
​If the material is classified, then Elizondo is claiming to tease information about classified programs and research whose existence has never been confirmed, all while refusing to provide the confirmation needed to make the tease into something actionable. If it is not classified, then he is purposely hiding the truth, perhaps to make the story sound better. After all, “less than it should” could mean anything—or nothing. Conveniently, there is a big “INVEST” button on the screen to let readers know that they might find out more if they only pony up more cash.
 
Of deeper concern is Elizondo’s adoption of some of the most cynical ufology arguments to claim that there are nefarious reasons that UFO disclosure isn’t happening:
If you ask a military leader, for example, they would say government secrecy about advanced aerospace phenomena is crucial because you want to avoid broadcasting your capabilities and intentions to your potential enemy.
 
A politician would view UAPs completely differently. They may ask, “Is this something potential voters need to know, or will concealing it cause my constituents to lose faith in me? How does this discussion affect the voters and my ability to represent them?”
 
A religious figure, on the other hand, would likely be more concerned with the religious and philosophical implications UAPs might have on his or her faith. 
He then states in boldface that the Catholic Church “nearly killed” Galileo for advocating heliocentrism, a common touchstone in fringe arguments despite the fact that the Church has not exercised temporal power in a century and a half. He also repeats the canard that ancient people believed that sailing around the world was impossible because they would fall off the edge, a claim that hasn’t been true in the Western world at least since Greek times.
 
These strawmen positions are stereotypes, and quite cynical. But they serve a purpose, for Elizondo then contrasts these fake arguments—would even the hacks in Congress consider the discovery of extraterrestrial life to be a voter turnout problem?—with his own false claim to have no religious or political agenda.
 
Near the end of his blog post, Elizondo seems to accidentally give the game away. While he maintained in the first half of his posting that UFOs were “technology” that required a revised form of quantum physics to begin to comprehend, at the end he seemed to reverse himself: 
What our ancestors thought were sea monsters are great white sharks, blue whales, and giant squid. It turns out that they’re just another part of our natural environment. Once people committed to discovering the truth for themselves, it was no longer mystical, it was just nature.
​He even refers to the UFO myth as the “monsters of [our] imaginations”!
 
If we apply his analogy to UFOs, as he asks us to do, then what is he actually saying? I suppose he is trying to say that the amazing powers attributed to UFOs are the product of physics, and therefore natural. But technology isn’t nature, and analogizing it that way is deceptive. His analogy, however, gives us a better answer: We are looking a natural phenomenon of a sort, one in which human imagination imparts a technological narrative onto a random and scattered set of various sensory inputs of multiple potential origins. 

The sad part, of course, is that Elizondo might be right that agents of the U.S. government actually believe in non-human technology based on cognitive biases, ideology, and four decades of work by Hal Puthoff and others to infect the government with paranormal beliefs, creating a feedback loop where facts are interpreted through a lens of belief.
29 Comments
HUGH'S POO
9/6/2018 02:45:40 pm

Talking of “phenomenon”; strangely enough, I squeezed out a 'UAP'; .. (Namely an 'Unimaginably Awesome Poo'), in some handily placed bushes near Stonehenge earlier.
If anyone happened to see anything strange in the sky at that time there don't worry;
It was just me using my drone to watch myself relieving my megalithic sized stomach baggage!

Ps: telluric energies, ancient mysteries, etc, etc :)

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/6/2018 03:48:21 pm

I enjoy your posts more than those some of the other regulars. Anyone can relate to an account of a vigorous constitutional, and it's not Harmful Speech soiling the electronic carpet. And in spite of your subject matter you're not a potty mouth, unlike a certain fake Indian.

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Joe Scales
9/6/2018 04:02:57 pm

Who takes a straw man argument to a whole 'nother level...

E.P. Grondine
9/6/2018 07:15:11 pm

Hey asshole -
Who cares about your bowel movements?
What exactly do they have to do with Jason's topic?

AmericanegroCool"Disco"Dan
9/6/2018 08:38:15 pm

Why is old man Grondine allowed to repeatedly call people "asshole" Jason?

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/6/2018 09:09:55 pm

"E.P. GRONDINE
1/21/2018 12:19:38 pm
My biography of Ruchard Kieninger may be read for free, asshole.

E.P. GRONDINE
3/1/2018 10:09:28 am
Look, you stupid asshole,

E.P. GRONDINE
3/2/2018 10:33:55 am
Good morning, Stupid Asshole -

E.P. GRONDINE
3/2/2018 11:23:39 am
Look, you stupid asshole - "

Dan
9/7/2018 12:15:42 am

You’re a fast learner!

Good, good homunculus!

That’s good!

Ah, peace at last.

Dan
9/7/2018 12:23:54 am

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Gf-f_hWpU

Bezalel
9/6/2018 04:59:00 pm

Pooh
There are no bushes near Stonehenge; I've been there.

Stop eating for one moment and fess up.

Where were you REALLY?

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HUGH'S POO
9/7/2018 09:26:11 am

@BEZALEL;
Know where bush barrow is?
Hint... I wasn't to far from there voiding my innards.
Cheers :)

Joe Scales
9/7/2018 09:52:57 am

Hate to be a stickler and all, but if you're "Hugh's Poo" wouldn't your perspective be as that which was evacuated rather than the releasor of same?

Doc Roc
9/7/2018 04:36:53 pm

Perhaps you should pitch your own series to the History Channel. Perhaps something like Hugh's Globe Trots. The camera follows you around the world as you secretly drop deuces at various ancient and mysterious sites around the world. All while offering commentary in the form of dietary tips, identification of the best local flora to utilize as wiping material, proper infiltration and concealment strategies for accessing sites, and the most up-to-date theories on how ancient aliens helped primitive people all over the world pile big rocks so high.


I smell Emmy....

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Cesar
9/6/2018 03:12:50 pm

“There is little point in asking for an explanation of a state of affairs which may turn out to be entirely imaginary. (Flying saucers may represent such a case: the explanation need may not be one of flying saucers, but of the reports of flying saucers; yet should flying saucers exist, then no further explanation of the reports would be required)”.

Popper, Karl. Realism and the Aim of Science, 1983, p. 132.

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/6/2018 06:14:42 pm

Wouldn't we still have to investigate the Kecksburg UFO, which was demonstrably a crashed satellite? "Ooh, Karl Popper, Thomas Kuhn, David Bohm!"

Pepper, Doctor. Nihilism and Droplets on the Seat of Science, pp. 10, 2, & 4.

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Bezalel
9/6/2018 05:21:37 pm

Jason

So glad and impressed you are tackling two significant tentacles of the oversized pseudo-scientific movement, the resurgence of which would not be so easy but for the strength of those ignoramuses associated with 21st century "Conservatism".

The said two tentacles are Hermeticism and UFO idiocy; the former of which is a most fascinating subject as it represents an early attempt at Science itself, mostly hidden from ancient society due to the (then) abject unwarranted historical bullying of the Catholic Church, and ironically pursued by modern uneducated amateurs who fail to see that, despite its principles eventually bleeding down through the centuries to Alchemy and eventually into Psychology, it is now rightly considered pseudo-science.

The UFO phenomenon would not be considered anything other than the results of secret military investigations, projects, etc if we did not have such a huge deficit in the public's understanding of basic scientific methodology. A public, sadly all too unwilling to fund education in the first place and simultaneously much too willing to prefer religious thinking over rational thinking.

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Harry Baals link
6/8/2019 01:59:41 am

Suck me
Fuck me

You laughable, worthless, self absorbed pseudo intellectual fool. You’re obsessed with science and your supposed intellect, and you’re so phobic of religious people that you can’t even see the political forest for the trees.

I hope you get finger buttfuck raped by a guy with hangnails.

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Bezalel
10/27/2019 12:39:39 am

Politics and religion don't belong in the same sentence you soft fuckstick.

That paralyzing twitchy burn you feel?
My 2 inch nails ripping through your cunt of a rectum.

Try not to play in the adult section again okay?

Crash55
9/6/2018 07:03:03 pm

Where exactly in DoD was this guy working? Anyone know what grade he was?

I know at least that in the Army UFO’s have never come up as any type of thing to research. Not even a rumor of anything lfemotely related to them. Nothing at DoD high temperature materials conferences, nothing in any of the EM programs.

My guess is the program was something DoD was forced to do by Congress and through a mid level program manager at it just to satisfy Reid

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Lastner
9/6/2018 10:40:53 pm

He probably worked as a janitor.

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AmericaCool"Disco"Dan
9/6/2018 11:24:29 pm

What makes that comment so epic is everyone knows that janitors suck, amirite?

Crash55
9/9/2018 03:18:35 pm

The government contracts out janitorial jobs.

Unless the guy was a GS-14/GS-15 or higher he was just a worker bee

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/9/2018 05:27:58 pm

Albert Nimzicki:
Uh... Mr. President. That's not entirely accurate.

Crash55
9/9/2018 05:58:59 pm

Unlike our current president I actually know how the government works and I am right.

I am sure a few sites still employ janitors but the vast majority contract out low paying unskilled jobs such as janitors. DoE and NASA contract out almost all jobs. The people are on site but they are contractors and not government employees.

Working grade in the DoD for professionals is between GS-11 and 13 depending upon agency/site. You are not handing an important program to your average worker bee unless it is actually a useless effort.

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/9/2018 07:02:57 pm

Yes, a few sites like the Capitol. You know nothing about GS grades. There are low grade people at NSA (part of the DoD) with clearances that would blow your mind.

Your repeated use of the term "worker bee" betrays you. Those are the folks a professional wants to talk to. You know nothing.

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Crash55
9/9/2018 07:15:45 pm

No you know nothing.

I have 25 years of government service. Yes the lower grades do the work but they don’t run the program and this guy claimed to run the program.

We hire S&E’s as 7’s and in 2.5 years they are 12’s. They are put in a pay band (DB-3) that combines 12 & 13’s so they eventually become 13 equivalents. These are the worker bees that do the majority of the work.

However they aren’t the program leads or the SME’s for the their fields. In the rare case a DB-3 does get an important program or become an SME then it isn’t long before he gets his DB-4 (14 equivalent ).

Elizondo was the head of a program that was created by Congressional mandate. Handing it to a low grade would be tantamount to an insult to Congress and you don’t do that.

AmericanegroCool"Disco"Dan
9/9/2018 08:48:21 pm

All programs are man-dated by Congress. It's funny that you think the person at the top of the hierarchy is in charge of the program. Ask the captains of the U.S.S. Pueblo and the U.S.S. Liberty.

"Elizondo was the head of a program "

How do you know that???

You know nothing.

Crash55
9/9/2018 09:23:57 pm

The very first line of the article above says he was the head of the program. Maybe you need to brush up on reading comprehension.

No not all programs are mandated by Congress. Congress approves funds but there are only a few programs that they direct to be funded. Normally DoD lists it’s programs in the POM and Congress approves funding for the effort. There are also large amounts of discretionary funds that the various labs / agencies have. These are defined only by type / color of money (basic research, applied, support, etc) not individual programs. Finally there are programs that Congress adds to the budget that DoD doesn’t ask for. These are the ones I am referring to as Congressionally mandated. These are the ones you need to make sure accomplish what they want or no way your agency is getting the marks it wants in the next cycle.

You are referring to military operations. The military and civilian sides of DoD operate very differently. For a civilian program the head of the program is in charge. He/she may not be the highest grade on the program (often high grade SME’s work for lower grade project officers).

If something is being run directly out of OSD (earlier articles made it sound that way) then you aren’t going to have a low grade running it unless it is a complete joke of a program. If t wouldn’t surprise me to see an SES or ST running it with a bunch of lower grades doing the work.

You are the one who doesn’t know how things work these days. Maybe you did at one time or maybe you know the uniformed side but you know nothing about the civilian S&T side which is where this sort of effort would have resided.

If you think you do provide some credentials. I have 25 years and am a GS-15 equivalent so yes I know how things work.

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
9/9/2018 11:25:54 pm

"The very first line of the article above says he was the head of the program."

Oh, so Jason said it therefore it's true. Anyway, I never said it wasn't true.

As has been documented, a lot of times NSA will have a non-military person wearing a corporal's uniform running the show. Again, ask the crew of the Liberty and Pueblo.

Because not funding is kiling, funding is mandating.

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Crash55
9/10/2018 08:13:01 am

You implied he wasn't in charge. I believe if you look through the various posts at some point it is clear Elizondo claims he was in charge.

Don't know why you keep going to the NSA as an example. They are an outlier not the norm in DoD. In the civilian S&T world the program head is the program head.

You obviously have no clue how smaller S&T programs are run. Congress deals with Programs of Record and ones they add (earmarks now called marks). In 25 years I think I have worked on 2 or 3 Programs of Record. The rest were funded out of various discretionary pots.

Any way this effort was obviously an earmark. Congress watches those closely and only 10 - 20% of the funding can be used for "related" efforts. You don't hand one of those to a low level person.

No clue what your background is but it isn't unclassified government S&T efforts.

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